Now THIS is Fetal
Something that has been discussed for years here, but no where else for some reason:
- Hundreds of police officers at one of the country's busiest airports say in the case of an active shooter, they are instructed to run and hide.
That's because these officers are unique among the nation's major airports: They don't carry guns.
Their badges, uniforms and vehicles all say "police." And they are certified police officers in the state of Illinois.
But these nearly 300 aviation police officers, also known as aviation security officers, are not allowed to carry guns at Chicago's O'Hare and Midway airports.
The officers who are armed are from the Chicago Police Department, which is the primary law enforcement agency at O'Hare and Midway.
Internal aviation department documents obtained through department sources state, "If evacuation is not possible: hide."
The documents advise locking doors, turning off lights and remaining quiet and calm.
Exactly what you want to hear about the people "protecting" you in this Age of Terrorism - that a large number of cops at the airport aren't even armed, and they're told to flee in the face of danger. If you're an actual thinking terrorist, how much easier is your job suddenly?
Labels: dumb ideas, terrorism
posted by SCC at 12:02 AM
141 Comments:
That's because Daley didn't want them armed...and Townsend acquiesced to Daley's wishes, always.
Stay fetal!
Stupid shit!!!! Would never work there. They are being played in a political game.
Who's the jack ass that came up with that thought? Who runs this City Bozo the Clown? I give up Last one out turn off the lights this Goofy State and City is doomed to fail.....
This has to be the most idiotic thing one can imagine. Documented travelers standing in lines to be searched in the name of "security" while the police, the first responders, are not even armed.
Can one imagine what would happen if a few AH's with AKs decided to push their way into the airport concourse? They could untold damage.
And you won't get any help from the CCW people either.
Oh for fuck's sake - is this what the city of Chicago's control of O'Hare has come to?
Are they counting on the NO HANDGUNS ALLOWED posters to deter the terrorists?
I think the pilots are still allowed to CCW despite whatever their landing site is. Good God - is the Glenview Naval Air Station still open? That's where I want to grab my luggage and go....
They disarmed the Aviation coppers in the beginning. One of their officers let a round off and hit a 747. It was after he fired on a car that went through a checkpoint without stopping. He was late for work. True story.
Our airports are almost gun free zones. Perfect for an attack.
Run!!
When terrorists hit sites like airports they look for the weakest links on that chain of security. Those weak links are all of the entry post which lead right onto the airfield which is no secret that they are being guarded by unarmed Aviation Police officers. What a joke ! It's time the citizens get their money's worth out of these aviation police officers by arming them so that the security of our airports has a fighting chance.
Interesting story on airport security.
Always heard rumors that they were going to arm dept of avaiation police and then disband airport north and south
sounds like a job for neil steinberg,after the sun times folds.
Thank daley's wife!
Who cares? They hire people with family members that have ISIS sympathy. This is what happens when America has become too politically correct.
When the civil war occurs, it will all be worked out.
Hahaha hilarious. I thought that was gonna be an onion article
Guns are bad, didn't you hear?
They're more like glorified security guards. Top Flight, 'cuz the world needs security, Craig!!!!
"Come fly with me, come fly, we'll fly away.......".
Chalkie
Someone correct me if this is bad information, but I heard that the head of the aviation police is a former CFD boss? They couldn't find another cushy retirement spot other than putting him in charge of something he has no clue about?
Sounds like a great gig for J-Fled.
I walked thru Midway on a trip last week. Departed and Arrived a few days later. I saw 1 CPD cop walking the whole time. They used to be stationed at certain fix spots?
Happy New Year.
Perhaps resolve to look at politics thru the lens of Power Sirs.
From the lens of Power: Fetal is not good.
As for the hapless unarmed trained to flee - this would be you and will be you if they have their way.
Do consider the lens,
Ta
I would NOT even consider working for Aviation Police! All Police NEED to be armed! They are worse than Security guards! At least Security Guards are allowed to a carry a weapon!
Not really the "police" then, are they?
Funniest thing is they're allowed to carry off duty and not because of the concealed carry law. They have the right as state certified police officers under state and federal law to carry off duty and many do. They're trained to shoot when they go through the academy. Typical Chicago political b.s. job. The way things are headed with CPD we're not going to be allowed to carry weapons of lethal force soon enough. We'll all be Bobbys like in England.
Hilarious.
Aviation police was always made up of the clouted.
We are not far behind.
I never understood that policy. Then again, I have normal sensibilities.
Former republican congressman Michael Patrick Flanagan said on Newsmax, "Rahm didn't come home early. He tried to defect (in Cuba) and was rejected."
SMH
Lol. Why have them? That's probably what's on the horizon for us.
Come to Chi-Town, the gun-free safe zone of the Midwest. We will counsel all mental health shooters from this point forward.
over paid political security guards at best. Look at some of the supervisors and you will see what I am talking about
C'mon SCC, this is Chicago. When the job is basically a political appointment in this city, which these certainly are, providing an actual service to taxpayers is secondary
This is insane coppers there have to work many days off to just keep manpower at low levels, why are aviation police not armed rahm? Johnñy? Alderman Zalewski you are head of the aviation committee your the "chairman" you need to allow aviation police to arm, they drive around perimeter of airport in vehicles marked police unarmed, you have a lieutenant on DOA police well over 70 years old at big airport without a clue directing operations there (thought It was 63 to retire) maybe if your unarmed door shakers it does not apply!
Why doesn't aviation police take over at airports? We have police agencies inside city such as railroad and college coppers arm aviation they go through our academy, qualifying every year like we do, who was the moronic lieutenant for CPD last year that made Cpd coppers search an on duty DOA officer and his private vehicle for a weapon? What kind of goofball did this??
Sounds like how CPD will be in a few years..
OK.... now this is the craziest thing I have heard of.... have airport police in the airport but do not allow them to be armed.... only in Chicago will this happen. stay safe my brothers and sisters in blue! BLUE LIVES MATTER!!
What's the point in having a police force that's armed, it's not like this is a violent world or city that we live in..... HAH!
It should be every officers goal to close 2016 with no arrests, no tickets (anov, mover, parker), and for damn sure no contact cards.
Stay fetal my friends.
I'm not one who looks for conspiracies behind every bush or underneath every rock --- well, except for obvious ones like who **really** whacked JFK, who was **really** behind the hit on brother Bobby, that Space Aliens did crash at Roswell, and that reverse engineering of recovered Alien Spaceships is going on at Area 51 [see, 'obvious' conspiracies :-)] -- but could this embarrassing CNN news 'leak' be Rahm going 'Scorched Earth'.
Tiny Dancer may be figuring right now that, 'What the hell if I'm going down I'm taking everyone with me that I can'. After all he didn't institute that asinine unarmed police policy so he can point his slimy half-finger at someone else, like Daley. And maybe an Alder-Creature or two that's involved with the No Gun dictate whose firing shots across his bow over that fricken video.
Rahm's never been accused of playing nice and everyone knows there's no low he wouldn't stoop to in order to burn someone or 'get even'. And hell, it's Chicago, stranger things have happened.
This sort of reminds me of a "T" shirt a police friend of mine who is a member of a bomb squad wears. On the back it says;
"If you see me running
try to catch up."
Another illustration that we all have to be responsible for our own
protection.
Mabey the Dept of Justice should look at this expenditure at the two airports.
No we better not look at this since the Aldermen would loose the prime employment spot or the Mayor would loose the spot to hire the cronies that covered for them.
No if there were two police forces driving around the city someone would be very upset......
WTF
I guess CNN forgot to mention the guy who swings the mop in the airport shit house has to take random drug screens but not APD, or APS. Yeah, they voted against it in their contract. But hey if it means they stop calling me from two terminals over to return a found cellphone from T3 info desk, about 1/2 block from AA Lost and found, then I say give 'em bazooka's.
spokesperson for the Chicago Aviation Department said the “strategy in place is working.”
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That means nothing has happened YET.
The political hacks running this city are unbelievable.
That is our president's preferred method of dealing with terrorism. Part of his strategy also is to close your eyes, stick your fingers in your ears and say Hillary will protect me,over and over again.
So,what purpose do they serve????
DOA=political hack
Another thank you from Dick Daley to circumvent hiring actual sworn officers assigned to CPD he and a retired clown ADS from north side who had his office staff promoted times over decided they could create the Airport officer who look like Police, respond to calls on the Airport grounds but got no nuts.
Much like Loop Traffic that was civilian-ized "Dick" stole more jobs from FLOP and contributing membership to the pension as well as a safer city.
The CNN article was great. For CNN, that's saying something.
Say it with me: "Security theater".
The problem is Maurer gave security guards uniforms and vehicles that say "Police" on it. No wonder they think they're police officers. They should change it back to "Security". A few weeks in the Metro program is not enough. The city doesn't want to pay police salary for security guards. And they certainly don't want to pay the money that is budgeted for police duties including training and liabilities such as indemnification and lawsuits. Not to mention all the retired CPD and those who would immediately be terminated because of their age. Aviation Security is only there to handle airfield violations and control access such as ID badging. They don't need police officers for that. There's plenty of CPD doing police work and plenty of armed US customs agents, FBI, DEA, ICE, US Marshals and God knows who else carting guns that can protect the airport who actually have the proper training and experience.
Am retired CPD now part time security at McCormick place. Largest convention center in the world with people visiting from all corners of the Earth. Carry radio and cuffs but no gun allowed.
What about City Colleges of Chicago Security and Safety, same scenario.
They need to get rid of those airport security guards.
I'll have to agree with the issue. (Remember when Daley kicked out the SWAT and their rifles too.)
The AVPD has somewhat of a valid point, if trained and established as Police, be the police. Whether the AVPD is doing "security" or enforcement they ought to be able to start a job and finish it. By that I mean if they arrest, write a report or citatation, finish it all the way through from custody to court. The CPD shouldn't be the only entity arresting, writing and fighting with the idiots that frequent the airports. It's sort of like the CC Sheriffs, RR Police or Campus Police that operate within the city limits.
If the City won't arm the AV Run & Hides within the airport building, at least arm them at their outdoor checkpoint-Charlie outposts and those that ride around in suv's. The extra manpower anywhere in the city is always welcomed. And to be fair, it's embarrassing to see that CPD has their share of Run & Hides there too. Let's work together to make my trip to Cuba safe, ok?
I think it will be catastrophic when the time comes to attack any airport in Chicago. No matter how many guns, rifles, or tasers.
If the the AVPD wants Change...have them contact that loud mouth protester kid on Michigan Ave for advice.
Rahm listens to them folks.
A lot of those aviation coppers were trained by cook county sheriff's police. The academy training they provide is more demanding and on point that CPD. The 6 months in the CPD academy don't even come close to the 10 week beating you get at cook county's academy. CPD academy was a 6 month vacation for me however I was a bit disappointed with the some of the knowledge-less instructors teaching the fresh meat all the wrong ways to do shit. Obviously clout babies with the cushy mon-fri weekdends/holidays off. Okay im done.
Off Topic..... This absolutely infuriated me. A group of Alder-morons were on the news and stated that Chicago Police Officers needed to be "trained" to understand the black culture. Now I have been on the job for 20 years and have seen enough to understand a good portion of the black culture. Let's start with, It's everyone else's fault but their own. Have as many children from different father's as possible starting at age 16. Do not take care of the children. Let grandma raise them. If they make it to age 16, the parents believe they have successfully raised the child and are no longer responsible for them. Cheat the system to remain unemployed. Remain on "welfare" as a lifestyle. Continue to blame slavery that ended 150 years ago. If a test can not be passed, sue the City, school system, bosses. If it doesn't work out for a black person, pull out the race card. Allow your children to stay out all night and blame the police when they get arrested for getting in trouble. PLEASE CONTINUE THE LIST, I'M TIRED ALREADY..............
There should just be a sticker of a duck in crosshairs to replace the gun in the slashed red circle ones that are so popular.
Just arm them already for gods sake. When something finally happens there the city is going to be paying out till the end of time.
NAS Glenview is long gone sir. Long gone.
I'm not sure I want these folks to have fire much less firearms
The head of Aviation Police is indeed a retired CFD hack...WTF? And he is totally anti police.
I thought "Sworn Officers" had taken the oath to serve and protect? How can they do that if they are no armed? Stay fecal CPD Brass and any other jag who makes up these dumb rules who endanger us sheeple and even the officers themselves.
Despite all that may 2016 be better for our CPD than 2015 was. Rahm has already won....Douche that he is.
Maurer(sp) tried to get them to carry..but look where he ended up.
It has always been a job for political rewards, surprised there hasn't been a tragic incident in the past
Gee look at all the APD guys pretending to be someone else.
Yeah, , the APD Boss is former CFD and guess what? Nobody really in CPD gives a shit.
The best part is that the aviation police are required to purchase a prescribed handgun and qualify with said weapon. They can carry handgun on their person to and from the airport. Once at airport they must secure the weapon in a community locker.
Funniest thing is they're allowed to carry off duty and not because of the concealed carry law. They have the right as state certified police officers under state and federal law to carry off duty and many do. They're trained to shoot when they go through the academy. Typical Chicago political b.s. job. The way things are headed with CPD we're not going to be allowed to carry weapons of lethal force soon enough. We'll all be Bobbys like in England
If they are trained with firearms while going through the academy, they must also qualify once a year to keep up that qualification. If the minimum once a year qualification is not being completed, then no they can't carry off duty or anywhere else.
""Why doesn't aviation police take over at airports? We have police agencies inside city such as railroad and college coppers arm aviation they go through our academy, qualifying every year like we do, who was the moronic lieutenant for CPD last year that made Cpd coppers search an on duty DOA officer and his private vehicle for a weapon? What kind of goofball did this?? ""
Im guessing but its probably cause you have no idea what your doing. No idea how to do case reporting, arrest procedures, transport, holding prisoners,canine, everything that has to do with the job other then hanging out at an info desk. Hell we'd even have to teach you how to take an escalator downstairs to drop off a lost purse.
Oh, but I forgot, your just a concerned citizen. Lol.
"""A lot of those aviation coppers were trained by cook county sheriff's police. The academy training they provide is more demanding and on point that CPD. The 6 months in the CPD academy don't even come close to the 10 week beating you get at cook county's academy. CPD academy was a 6 month vacation for me however I was a bit disappointed with the some of the knowledge-less instructors teaching the fresh meat all the wrong ways to do shit. Obviously clout babies with the cushy mon-fri weekdends/holidays off. Okay im done."""
"Those"? LMAO
I thought they were all cfd retired and active.
As for all of the armed federal officers at the airport mentioned in a previous comment, they are in the international terminal doing the customs and border control work. When seconds count they are minutes away. The CPD are not much closer either.
Try to find a copper at O'Hare.
The city doesn't want police being visible.
No police, well there must be no need, all is well.
Look at other airports in US.
M-4s, MP5's, full battle rattle, ready for worst.
Chicago...run!
Im pretty sure they are all im the cpd academy for 16 weeks just like every other suburban department and still qualify every year with weapons they cant carry. Just armthem. They want change give it to them. Also the so called chief is CFD and still on there pay roll and wears a police star but is not certified. Seems like the twilight zone to me
this is too funny, but the off duty coppers that work in the aviation towers at both airports carry guns, they have to patrol the outside areas around the tower but mostly just sit inside, they have a few retired guys doing it and it pays well.
true all of the aviation officers are bonified police but some are too old to carry a gun on duty, there are some mighty old guys out there at O'Hare, and the on duty CPD officers at O'Hare try and hide all day, not even wanting to answer questions from the travelers. this city is pathetic, but then again blame the union for allowing only senior members to bid for this spot.
Can you say Patronage.
Might as well just hang up a flashing neon sign welcoming terrorists.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
We are not far behind.
Sadly we aren't far behind.
Since Rahm is continuing to pander to the "community" his latest initiative requires us all to carry the guns that clowns carry.... you know the kind that when you pull the trigger a flag that says BANG unfurls from the barrel.
We need carbine qualified police at the airports patrolling
Start an OT program
I cant say I have much respect for that bunch, or think they'd be much help except for one or two, but I do worry about the City allowing POLICE to be printed on their backs and on their cars and then not officially giving them the means to protect themselves. I dont ever want to see one get hurt over this nonsense.
Off Topic..... This absolutely infuriated me. A group of Alder-morons were on the news and stated that Chicago Police Officers needed to be "trained" to understand the black culture. Now I have been on the job for 20 years and have seen enough to understand a good portion of the black culture. Let's start with, It's everyone else's fault but their own. Have as many children from different father's as possible starting at age 16. Do not take care of the children. Let grandma raise them. If they make it to age 16, the parents believe they have successfully raised the child and are no longer responsible for them. Cheat the system to remain unemployed. Remain on "welfare" as a lifestyle. Continue to blame slavery that ended 150 years ago. If a test can not be passed, sue the City, school system, bosses. If it doesn't work out for a black person, pull out the race card. Allow your children to stay out all night and blame the police when they get arrested for getting in trouble. PLEASE CONTINUE THE LIST, I'M TIRED ALREADY..............
1/01/2016 12:04:00 PM
You mean like when everybody learned about the Irish culture? The Italian culture? The German culture? And every other fucking culture? Fuck them. The way I see it they are the one race that can be single handedly blamed for bringing down every standard that all the other cultures combined have tried to establish in order to have a civilized society. They are the only culture that claims they are equal to every other culture but demands special treatment through affirmative action programs. Can someone explain THAT to me. How are you equal if you need special accommodations and opportunities and quotas? Why do they need help? I lived through the civil rights movement in the sixties. There were legitimate complaints, but now? Tell me anything they can't do or be? Maybe the alder assholes can think about this...when every other culture "made it" they were able to recognize it. When do you stop fucking whining and complaining? I mean there is a brother in the White House. What the fuck....shut up already. Enough is enough.
Here's an off-topic question. I've been lurking here for a couple of weeks, and maybe the question has been discussed before. If so, sorry.
Is there any way Chicago can avoid the fate of Detroit (and numerous other cities that have become similarly dysfunctional)?
First of all, Chicago has astronomical debt, much of it unfunded pension obligations. Where's the money to pay off that debt going to come from? Maybe, theoretically, if Chicago suddenly acquired honest and competent city government that eliminated most of the corruption and gross inefficiency, the fiscal situation could be brought under control. But there's no way Chicago is going to get honest and competent city government. Whoever succeeds Rahm will be another creature from the manure lagoon that is Chicago city politics. and there's no reason to think the alderturds will be replaced by anything better, either. I know you guys detest Rahm (for good reason), but at least he's a smart SOB. I can easily see the next mayor being some utterly incompetent dumbs who would make Rahm look pretty good.
I am CPD and have a relative on AVPD. The metro class with CPD trains many suburban departments. Aviation goes thru many training seminars CPD goes thru. They have to weapon qualify every year as CPD. They man airfield access gates unarmed. They are assigned to the area prior to the checkpoints. They are assigned police calls outside of the airport. Many are retired CPD. It's hilarious how many CPD think we are the only ones who are at risk and fully trained to carry weapons and be the police. Get over yourself. I have met many top notch police on small departments. Aviation Police should have the right to defend themselves. I have always said it is not if but when. Many major airports have their own aviation police, but Chicago is the only one that is unarmed. For all the CPD supermen at the airports, get over yourself. Many are misfits who can't or wouldn't be any help on the street. Instead of knocking them, you should be pushing to have them armed. We are short as hell as it stands. We can always use more help if all hell breaks loose. We never bitch about backup from UIC or University of Chicago Police when they show up. We never bitch about railroad police showing up. Instead of knocking any police down, remember we all are at risk. FYI CPD is full of political hacks. Daley would never budge to arm them and Tiny Dancer has blocked arming them as much as Daley did. Basically our politicians don't give a fuck about any PO's safety or life. It is a lot cheaper to pay out for a cop killed than what they pay out when any PO kills an offender in a good shoot. Now is not the time to trash talk other PO's, but to pull together as one to back the politicians against a wall.
Wife and I came in from Boston after midnight landing at O'Hare. While waiting for luggage was approached 3 times by guys (Uber?) soliciting rides to suburbs. Plenty of non solicitation signs but no enforcement. Way to go O'Hare unit.
DOA was created for political hacks, airport security was just a ruse. ♠️
Please tell me the "black culture" comment by Aldermen is sarcasm. I took cultural awareness in the academy. Remember that? Define "black culture"? If someone is from Africa or Haiti then that's fine. But when you are born, raised and live here and don't have African darb in your home then guess what? You are African by descent but that's about it. I love how when blacks refer to their issues it's a culture thing but if I do it then it's a stereotype or racism. Isn't a culture thing like Jewish celebrate Hanukkah? Africans celebrate Kwanzaa and Bud Billiken? Mexicans eat burritos? What cultural issues are we talking about here?
noun cul·ture \ˈkəl-chər\
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Another thank you from Dick Daley to circumvent hiring actual sworn officers assigned to CPD he and a retired clown ADS from north side who had his office staff promoted times over decided they could create the Airport officer who look like Police, respond to calls on the Airport grounds but got no nuts.
Much like Loop Traffic that was civilian-ized "Dick" stole more jobs from FLOP and contributing membership to the pension as well as a safer city.
1/01/2016 10:18:00 AM
Aviation security don't respond to calls, they are exclusively access control of exterior. Just like at every major airport. They are not trained for other law enforcement duties. They do not have random drug testing and are not held to certain standards. Qualifiying with a weapon appears to have been used as justification by a retired CPD boss to retitle them "police" from their previous title of aviation security. This was not long ago. Maybe time to roll back that decision? Heard he was fired from the position anyway.
Bottom line is they have basic training. If the DOA security want full police powers the city should send those that have the age and can make it, back through the academy as CPD officers where they will get full training.
Another thank you from Dick Daley to circumvent hiring actual sworn officers assigned to CPD he and a retired clown ADS from north side who had his office staff promoted times over decided they could create the Airport officer who look like Police, respond to calls on the Airport grounds but got no nuts.
Much like Loop Traffic that was civilian-ized "Dick" stole more jobs from FLOP and contributing membership to the pension as well as a safer city.
1/01/2016 10:18:00 AM
Aviation security don't respond to calls, they are exclusively access control of exterior. Just like at every major airport. They are not trained for other law enforcement duties. They do not have random drug testing and are not held to certain standards. Qualifiying with a weapon appears to have been used as justification by a retired CPD boss to retitle them "police" from their previous title of aviation security. This was not long ago. Maybe time to roll back that decision? Heard he was fired from the position anyway.
Bottom line is they have basic training. If the DOA security want full police powers the city should send those that have the age and can make it, back through the academy as CPD officers where they will get full training.
What about City Colleges of Chicago Security and Safety, same scenario.
Negative, all off duty officers working for colleges,CPD,CCSP, etc carry their weapon, plus retiree's who are IROC qualified can carry.
I love this web site but I got to say it SSC, I don't know if this is the forum to make this complaint. If there is a Terrorist Organization or a American born sympathizer who monitor this Web Site, them we gave them one hell of an idea. I get what you are saying. I too think the policy is crazy but we should not be in the business of telling the world and certainly our enemies any of our weaknesses. In one of the above post, the commentator suggested contacting Alderman Michael Zalewski of the 23rd Ward, who also is the Aviation Committee Chairman. Good luck with that, from what I understand the only people he takes care of are the percent captains that work for him. I understand THAT, THIS IS THE CHICAGO WAY but he will not do anything that will rock the boat. Look at his record, what ordinances he authored since he became the alderman? Like I said, crazy policy, but this got to come from the 5th floor of City Hall and DO YOU HONESTLY THINK HE WILL GIVE THE Aviation Police GUNS. NOT IN THIS LIFE. TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
To 8:38 am....
Are you joking? You're a city employee. You don't have a private city vehicle. Duh. No wonder you guys don't have guns.
Do not arm Aviation Police. Disband them. Aviation Police was started to get around hiring more sworn CPD. The solution is hire a lot more sworn CPD. FOP was again in collusion with the city to reduce our numbers. Remember that the FOP won the grievance concerning the detail unit, but the city went ahead and let it wither down, replacing sworn with traffic aides.
Hide behind your vehicles engine block.
It's a simple solution, remove the patch that says Police and replace with one that says Security. They are no different than Blart I don't understand what their beef is.
Jim Mauer's report about the security gaps was very valid and should have been addressed. Instead of creating an army of security guards it should have been staffed by the existing units and supplemented as an O.T. Spot for P.O.'s. Mauer was given his Aviation spot as a reward and when he saw the glaring gaps did what a a good Supervisor does. Unfortunately he also saw the opportunity to create his own army and rubbed all the powers that be the wrong way. They need to increase the O'Hare Unit dramatically but staff it with a particular type of officer due to the need for extraordinary people skills.
Anonymous said...
Am retired CPD now part time security at McCormick place. Largest convention center in the world with people visiting from all corners of the Earth. Carry radio and cuffs but no gun allowed.
1/01/2016 11:05:00 AM
I don't go to bed without a gun handy. Not a chance in hell I would ever work a security job unarmed.
This was from Shortshanks, the media darling. Same asshole that told National Guard they couldn't carry weapons in the airport after 9/11. These are the fools you elected. His legacy remains.
Off Topic..... This absolutely infuriated me. A group of Alder-morons were on the news and stated that Chicago Police Officers needed to be "trained" to understand the black culture. Now I have been on the job for 20 years and have seen enough to understand a good portion of the black culture. Let's start with, It's everyone else's fault but their own. Have as many children from different father's as possible starting at age 16. Do not take care of the children. Let grandma raise them. If they make it to age 16, the parents believe they have successfully raised the child and are no longer responsible for them. Cheat the system to remain unemployed. Remain on "welfare" as a lifestyle. Continue to blame slavery that ended 150 years ago. If a test can not be passed, sue the City, school system, bosses. If it doesn't work out for a black person, pull out the race card. Allow your children to stay out all night and blame the police when they get arrested for getting in trouble. PLEASE CONTINUE THE LIST, I'M TIRED ALREADY..............
1/01/2016 12:04:00 PM
that was an excellent read.....if only the politicians had the courage and integrity to say it like that
The black culture is the 800 lb gorilla in the room that no politician or media want to address.
It's easier to pin it all on the police and make ridiculous demands.
Obviously not one of the posters here has ever worked O'Hare, it's the only reason I can think of for all the misguided comments regarding DOA police.
For those of you that don't know better because you've never worked there other than possibly a little OT initiaitive:
DOA officers fall into one of only 2 categories:
1. Those that have retired from CPD and want a job doing nothing yet still be considered "active" police, and
2. Those that are municipal or state police reject candidates who can never get hired at any municipality, period.
Obtaining a DOA police job is just as bad as getting a Crook County Sheriff job or Crook County police job.
Trust me, you don't want these rejects carrying firearms running around O'Hare, just as no one wants a Crook Country Sheriff walking around with a firearm off duty. I can count on more than one hand the times I've encountered an off duty "deputy" with a firearm who had that tried and tested attitude of "we're the 'police' too", and got locked up for being just as stupid as you'd anticipate. And as for the retired folks who choose to work there, they didn't retire to DOA in order to actually work anymore if they ever did in the first place. Quite a few of the past CPD/DOA hires were nothing more than O'Hare CPD who retired and got right into their spot in DOA.
Nutjobs who've been salivating for years at the prospect of finally getting to carry a gun are exactly the people you don't want having them. And for anyone who thinks they're the police who continues to work at the airport without a firearm, you only prove my point. If you were suitable to be police you'd have already gotten a job with a municipal or state agency by now. You only cry because you can't get those jobs and are relegated to sitting at the airport without a gun.
And rightly so.
I agree with The other Commentator , They need to get Rid of those Aviation Security Police and Hire More CPD Out there , REAL COPS WITH GUNS ., Aviation Police are a joke out there . They are No where ready to handle any situation , In fact they hired Traffic Aides from OEMC not to long ago , Also some Real Clowns From TSA ,, LMAO What a joke , OHHHHH YEAH There Ready LMAO , Again this crap goes back to the Daley Crime Family Era Where Daley didn't want them to have Guns ., Even the Boy Scouts Of America Have Cap Guns ., Give Them some Water Guns
Well if your in a chicago airport and shit hits the fan. Your safe as long as you can run faster than the slowest aviation officer. LMFAO
If a terrorist or a crazy gunman attack O'hare and Midway, we would have the same result as what happened in Mumbai Train station, were 80 people died and 250 injured due to which he Police wasn't armed. Oh wait, they are armed with a baton.
Not able to carry weapons means no "law enforcement" pensions for those employees. That is the main reason why the politicians do not require them to carry weapons.
Federal requirements are a state certified police officer will man all access points at federal airports. It does not mandate that they must be armed. DOA is cost cutting for the Department of Aviation. The city saves a lot of money by not paying CPD to sit in guard shacks checking badges. They control access and enforce minor airfield violations.
Talking about shit instructors. March of 1990 dumb fuck tells the class to, "Watch their eyes." I guess he forgot that eye balls can't pull triggers. He was all proud of his one D/C he got for a burglary pinch. What a fucking tool. Can't remember his name. Terrible.
If all the airports have are unarmed drone cops who are to Duck Dodge and Hide...
Then maybe there are SAFE ROOMS where they can usher VIPs during an attack.
Behind the armored walls they will be safe while the rest of us get slaughtered.
Then Rahm, never letting a crisis go to waste can make TV appearances like he really gave a shit and did all he could to prevent this catastrophe.
You know what would be awesome? If mayor ballerina-boy's security detail were not allowed to carry guns!
Hey what do you want? It's a clout job.
Someone better wake the F&#K up before something happens.
Talk about STUPID moves.....
NO Matter What , If you are Police These Days ANYWHERE , and you don't even a Weapon to defend YOURSELF ,let alone the Public , You are A total USELESS FRICKEN Joke , YOU ARE TOTALLY USELESS , No Matter how much Bullshit Training you have had , Hope You had Some Training On how Fast you can run away From A AK-47 . If We ever get hit by any Terrorist there going to be Laughing there Asses off at us , Watching Aviation Police run For There Life's WITHOUT EVEN BEING ABLE TO FIRE OFF ONE SHOT .,, RUN FORREST RUN , This is Unbelievable but so Damn true
8:38, get your facts straight. It was the hyper, self absorbed twit brother of a deputy chief that is a sgt out there that ordered the search of the DoA Officer's vehicle. And who did he give that order to? The commander who's afraid it'll upset his big brother if he doesn't bow to everything said sgt demands.
We never bitch about backup from UIC or University of Chicago Police when they show up
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Very rare to see any UIC Police around anymore. Not a knock, just the truth.
You know what would be awesome? If mayor ballerina-boy's security detail were not allowed to carry guns!
1/02/2016 12:05:00 AM
Better yet, why doesn't Rahmbo save the city some money and use rent-a-cops? He says the city IS safe, after all!
""", but then again blame the union for allowing only senior members to bid for this spot. """ Its 50% bid and 50% clout management. So do you think that 50% management is all former Green Beret?
Imagine that? A guy with 29 years who rolled a ghetto beat car for a career getting a shot at a unit like the airport. How unfair and tragic. Only Bosses kids should be out there "after their 6 mos with their FTO that is".
mous said...
What about City Colleges of Chicago Security and Safety, same scenario.
1/01/2016 11:07:00 AM
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They wear chef suits and it is in no way the same. They don't have to go through a police academy to be hired for the job, and their cars say "security", not police.
Also 01/01 8:03pm is correct; if you can't get hired by Robbins, Dixmoor, or Crestwood and are willing to get the vote out for the right alderman, you can be hired by aviation security (who call themselves police). I saw one of these goofs make a traffic stop on Central Ave. Really? With no gun? They also like to go into Portillos with their radios turned up as loud as possible, scanning the Chicago band so it sounds like they're police. It's hilarious to see the employees look of utter confusion while deciding whether to give them the police discount; their patch says police but they have no gun. I have personally heard the whispers of kids say "he's not really a cop" and older people say "honey do you think that man is impersonating a police officer?" - especially after that goof made the newspapers riding around with us for a shift with a newspaper in his holster.
Just disband these hacks and hire more CPD and give them specialized training for airports, like a k-9 has to go through or any other specialized unit.
A while back there was a directive to Homeland Security personnel telling them to "Shelter in Place" in the event of an active shooter. It also stated that if you were seen by the shooter that the best course of action would be to throw things at said shooter. Things like coffee cups, staplers and the like. Yep. That will work!
I don't understand why some here bash the DOA cops...just makes CPD look like assholes. Also do you think the CPD contingent at the airports are there to do policework?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Not able to carry weapons means no "law enforcement" pensions for those employees. That is the main reason why the politicians do not require them to carry weapons.
1/01/2016 10:05
Shows what little you know. They are all sworn law enforcement officers, they carry weapons, just not at work. It's dumb how their orders are written but oh well. What they should do, is turn the airport upside down and shake the whole contingent of CPD out of it and let them fools take over. There is no need for 2 separate contingents of law enforcement at the airports. It's a waste of manpower and money.
Google "BIZARRO WORLD" as it so applies to the society we now live in.
"I don't go to bed without a gun handy. Not a chance in hell I would ever work a security job unarmed."
You got that right pal except that ,"I would not ever work a security job period!"
Anonymous said...
Obviously not one of the posters here has ever worked O'Hare, it's the only reason I can think of for all the misguided comments regarding DOA police.......
@1/1/16 8:03
Thank you for the intelligent, thoughtful commentary.
The full text almost doesn't belong here.
It's too well-thought out and not nearly reactionary enough.
So, seriously thanks.
Anonymous said...
"""A lot of those aviation coppers were trained by cook county sheriff's police. The academy training they provide is more demanding and on point that CPD. The 6 months in the CPD academy don't even come close to the 10 week beating you get at cook county's academy. CPD academy was a 6 month vacation for me however I was a bit disappointed with the some of the knowledge-less instructors teaching the fresh meat all the wrong ways to do shit. Obviously clout babies with the cushy mon-fri weekdends/holidays off. Okay im done."""
"Those"? LMAO
1/01/2016 12:50:00 PM
God bless the mighty Cook County Police. Then send everyone to the County academy for the 400 hour training program. Only 400 hours of training for law enforcement officers. Since you are a expert at training and a seasoned veteran, apply to be a instructor, They could use your know it all attitude. Or teach at the famous Triton college academy. It is nice to talk tough on a blog without revealing your name.
To the complainer about the "uber" guys soliciting in the terminal, first off if you take one hour from your trip and positively identify the offender, sign a complaint and swear to appear in court to testify against this offender, and have the proper paperwork filled out (a completed report like it should be). Then you will get service with a smile. Welcome to the NEW police department.
The aviation police has some real good officers. Many of them are working for other departments. For many, this is just a stepping stone, they stay a few years and then go onto other departments. I called a guy I know and asked about the hiring process. Basically it's more legit than CPD. In addition, they hire vets and other qualified people. CPD has tons of lawsuits for not hiring qualified vets and others.
By the way, some of the security people there are armed too.
Some of the APD guys are great guys and I consider them friends. As such I'd feel pretty fucking bad if they got hurt cause someone stamped POLICE on them and didnt give them the means to defend themselves. I know it isnt something they want but once they get guns its only a matter of time before we are kicked out of the airport. Its already happened in many airports and ports.
Even still, if thats what it took, I'd rather them be safe. This isnt the time to be adding rancor between rank and file of Police Dept.'s. Fuck! Its out of our hands anyways. Were all just pawns.
Unit 050
There guns were taken away after a certain retired CPD Commander from the west side hired former gang bangers. One political appointee happened to shoot at a truck at the airport that did not stop for him resulting in a plane being struck by a bullet.
Someone commented that he heard the Aviation Police chief is a former Fire Department boss. Actually he is an active duty Fire Department Deputy Commissioner who is on "detached services". He is listed in the fire department budget on detached services and carried on the Department of Aviation budget as being assigned to the fire department airport unit although he actually works as the chief public safety officer and is in charge of the Aviation Police. He is an active fireman with no law enforcement experience or training.
Anonymous said...
Jim Mauer's report about the security gaps was very valid and should have been addressed. Instead of creating an army of security guards it should have been staffed by the existing units and supplemented as an O.T. Spot for P.O.'s. Mauer was given his Aviation spot as a reward and when he saw the glaring gaps did what a a good Supervisor does. Unfortunately he also saw the opportunity to create his own army and rubbed all the powers that be the wrong way. They need to increase the O'Hare Unit dramatically but staff it with a particular type of officer due to the need for extraordinary people skills.
1/01/2016 06:15:00 PM
Extraordinary people skills? You don't know too many employee's at the Aviation department do you. Same arrogant political class that you meet at City Hall.
"I think the pilots are still allowed to CCW despite whatever their landing site is."
Don't even count on that too much. The Feds give the pilots a whole lot of hoops to jump through to get the qualification card. TSA dicks them around. And even their own airline frowns upon pilots carrying weapons. They were hire to fly the plane.
Have you seen in the news how Google is working on self-driving cars? In a decade or so there won't be pilots on airliners. They will be remotely flown.
"Better yet, why doesn't Rahmbo save the city some money and use rent-a-cops? He says the city IS safe, after all!"
Better yet, save even more money. Rahm, as an elected official, is by state law a Peace Officer and is allowed to carry a concealed weapon.
Let him carry his own gun and fend for himself. As should all elected officials.
""Just disband these hacks and hire more CPD and give them specialized training for airports, like a k-9 has to go through or any other specialized unit.""
Like what? Train them to wave and say "concourse C?" "walk down to the dinosaur and make a left".
Mauer was chief of the aviation police for several years and did not say shit about security. Only after Mauer was fired did he go public with criticism of the lack of security at the airports. If Mauer had balls why didn't he go public while he was in charge?
CPD has MDW secure! Just ask Frank.
Been here for a few months, did a tour overseas and applied for this position got a call back telling me I had to be state certified so went through CPDs academy and was told we don't carry.. That blew my mind as all of the other combat veterans that were with me during our police academy. Then, we were told we are going to be armed being the environment we will be working in and new times .. I mean the threat is real. It just blows my mind, some of the older guys that work there need to be removed and that included new management. A lot of us work part time at other surrounding police departments. All were asking is to be armed so that we can protect ourselves and those around us no wonder everyone that graduates the academy and after a few months leave because of this very reason of having no duty weapon but I keep telling others the day something does happen at the airport and god forbid it does, the city will be in a pool of shit and lawsuits will be coming left and right.. All because of whatever political bullshit they have going on!
Wow
Anonymous said...
Federal requirements are a state certified police officer will man all access points at federal airports. It does not mandate that they must be armed. DOA is cost cutting for the Department of Aviation. The city saves a lot of money by not paying CPD to sit in guard shacks checking badges. They control access and enforce minor airfield violations.
1/01/2016 10:25:00 PM
The above post regarding the law is incorrect. Federal law mandates that a LEO at the airport must be armed. This is why you have two Law Enforcement agencies CPD (who meets all of the requirements by being armed)and APD (who do not meet the portion that stipulates "Are armed with a firearm and authorized to use it". There is no Federal requirement for "state certified police officers to man all access points" at the airport. It makes sense to do that but its not federally mandated.
Here are the Federal requirements for Law Enforcement Officers at the airport (49CFR Subtitle B Chapter XII Subchapter C Part 1542 Subpart C):
§1542.217 Law enforcement personnel.
(a) Each airport operator must ensure that law enforcement personnel used to meet the requirements of §1542.215, meet the following qualifications while on duty at the airport—
(1) Have arrest authority described in paragraph (b) of this section;
(2) Are identifiable by appropriate indicia of authority;
(3) Are armed with a firearm and authorized to use it; and
(4) Have completed a training program that meets the requirements of paragraphs (c) and (d) of this section.
(b) Each airport operator must ensure that each individual used to meet the requirements of §1542.215 have the authority to arrest, with or without a warrant, while on duty at the airport for the following violations of the criminal laws of the State and local jurisdictions in which the airport is located—
(1) A crime committed in the presence of the individual; and
(2) A felony, when the individual has reason to believe that the suspect has committed it.
(c) The training program required by paragraph (a)(4) of this section must—
(1) Meet the training standard for law enforcement officers prescribed by either the State or local jurisdiction in which the airport is located for law enforcement officers performing comparable functions.
(2) Specify and require training standards for private law enforcement personnel acceptable to TSA, if the State and local jurisdictions in which the airport is located do not prescribe training standards for private law enforcement personnel that meets the standards in paragraph (a) of this section.
(3) Include training in—
(i) The use of firearms;
(ii) The courteous and efficient treatment of persons subject to inspection, detention, search, arrest, and other aviation security activities;
(iii) The responsibilities of law enforcement personnel under the security program; and
(iv) Any other subject TSA determines is necessary.
(d) Each airport operator must document the training program required by paragraph (a)(4) of this section and maintain documentation of training at a location specified in the security program until 180 days after the departure or removal of each person providing law enforcement support at the airport.
Anonymous said...
Do not arm Aviation Police. Disband them. Aviation Police was started to get around hiring more sworn CPD. The solution is hire a lot more sworn CPD. FOP was again in collusion with the city to reduce our numbers. Remember that the FOP won the grievance concerning the detail unit, but the city went ahead and let it wither down, replacing sworn with traffic aides.
1/01/2016 04:42:00 PM
??????
Yes the airports should be all sworn CPD.
But FOP never agreed to less police. If you can prove it post the proof. Opinions are like assholes everyone has one.
Yes the City just let the detail unit slowly fade away. Minimum time to get in the unit should be 25 years not clout babies
Don't even count on that too much. The Feds give the pilots a whole lot of hoops to jump through to get the qualification card. TSA dicks them around. And even their own airline frowns upon pilots carrying weapons. They were hire to fly the plane.
Have you seen in the news how Google is working on self-driving cars? In a decade or so there won't be pilots on airliners. They will be remotely flown.
1/02/2016 11:58:00 PM
You're a few years out of date. The US Navy and USAF have jets that can auto-land. I don't trust computers enough to auto land or auto take off.
Auto pilot so I can go to the can is one thing..
Anonymous said...
Been here for a few months, did a tour overseas and applied for this position got a call back telling me I had to be state certified so went through CPDs academy and was told we don't carry.. That blew my mind as all of the other combat veterans that were with me during our police academy. Then, we were told we are going to be armed being the environment we will be working in and new times .. I mean the threat is real. It just blows my mind, some of the older guys that work there need to be removed and that included new management. A lot of us work part time at other surrounding police departments. All were asking is to be armed so that we can protect ourselves and those around us no wonder everyone that graduates the academy and after a few months leave because of this very reason of having no duty weapon but I keep telling others the day something does happen at the airport and god forbid it does, the city will be in a pool of shit and lawsuits will be coming left and right.. All because of whatever political bullshit they have going on!
1/03/2016 09:47:00 AM
Who is your Chinaman??
Anonymous said...
Mauer was chief of the aviation police for several years and did not say shit about security. Only after Mauer was fired did he go public with criticism of the lack of security at the airports. If Mauer had balls why didn't he go public while he was in charge?
1/03/2016 09:02:00 AM
You're not from around here,are you?
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