Blame Who Now?
If you needed any more indication that this Department is doomed and that De-Escalante is not going to be the next Supernintendo, this is it:
- Chicago violent crime statistics are hard to stomach these days — shootings have skyrocketed and murders have doubled compared to this time last year — but interim Police Supt. John Escalante isn’t shying away from the numbers.
Chicago’s temporary top cop plans to expand on CompStat, the data-driven policing strategy brought to town by his predecessor Garry McCarthy, by adding a layer of crime-statistic crunching to the Police Department’s three area outposts.
“Building on CompStat’s ability to provide the Chicago Police Department with important information about police operations and crime trends, we are expanding its scope by implementing area-specific CompStat meetings for Areas North, Central, and South,” Escalante said.
[...] Now, police sergeants will be judged by the effectiveness of officers under their supervision.
So....if the officers aren't doing, let's just say....ISR's because the mayor and everyone else has thrown them under the proverbial bus, then the sergeants are going to be blamed? And held accountable? For a policy or policies they had no hand in developing and are told to accomplish with no manpower, no equipment and no support from on high?
Is this a Unit thing? Because we know a few crusty old sergeants who are bid to Districts, bid to watches, and seriously will tell the brass to stick it where the sun doesn't shine if they're "judged" by anyone who never had a bad assignment in their careers. We pay good money to see them at CompStat, too.
Is this a Unit thing? Because we know a few crusty old sergeants who are bid to Districts, bid to watches, and seriously will tell the brass to stick it where the sun doesn't shine if they're "judged" by anyone who never had a bad assignment in their careers. We pay good money to see them at CompStat, too.
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posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
121 Comments:
More CTA checks! Or your butt is mine!
That McCarthy kool-aid is pretty addictive.
Continuing to stay fetal is having an effect. And it's HILARIOUS!
Suck it, bitches! You wanted this, now you have it! Enjoy your new communist city!
Actually it's the clouted Sergeants for Area Saturation /Gang/Gun teams that will haveto answer why they're guys aren't doing anything. Patrol Sergeants won't be included. This may get interesting.
How can they hold us sgts responsible for their failed attempts at reducing crime. My hands are tied by the manpower I have at my disposal as well as the 8 "box" assignments I give out daily. When I am in charge of formulating plans to curb violence in my sector only then will I be held accountable.
This is the dumbest stuff ever. Seriously. Let's double down and expand the program that has raised violent crimes rates the entire time it's been implemented
De-escalante has to be talking about the Sgt's in the units, or tac Sgt's. No friggin way are beat Sgt gonna sit back and let themselves get blamed for a lack of activity. We all know a handful of tac sgts who will crack the whip and/or dump the vets for 2-year wonders who would do just about anything to wear plain clothes in an unmarked squad car. These are the same tac sgts who haven't hit the streets in years and kept their sweet spots on the backs of their guys who hustled their butts off for activity and put their jobs and assets on the line by coming in with BS pimpy arrests. These sgts will now sell their guys out just to keep the spotlight off of them. And the very few good sgts will still be golden. They'll tell their guys not to put their jobs on the line for any reason.
These young sergeants are going to fold like a lawn chair
under a fat woman's ass.
This is priceless coming for a man who has never had a bad
day on this job.
They STILL can't make you do these accursed ISRs.
Police like you have no friends.
The goal is to remain:
Un-indicted.
Un-sued.
Un-imprisoned.
Un-slandered.
Un-bankrupted.
Un-ruined.
Viva Hate.
So let me get this straight . The Sgts are responsible for CRs, spars, damage to vehicles, desk duties, lock up, logs, check off, the officers on the street, req. sup. calls, domestics, uniforms, and now this bullshit. I am a bid, fu!
And the Lt duties are what?
CompStat works miracles for the NYPD. Why can't the CPD use or analyze it properly?
Oh no what will they do to the Sgts? Give them a naughty performance evaluation? Oh wait that's only for POs. They could make them work full tours that would really hurt. They're not use to that. Hell the Sgts in my unit don't want to approve silly ISRs so what's the point? Blame the POs for everything. Even gang on gang crime.
Are these motherfuckers dense? It's Compstat and its insatiable hunger for contact cards that caught the attention of the ACLU to begin with!!!!!!!!! Compstat was a farce Mr. Six, you knuckle dick. It was Garry's big payday snake oil. It does NOTHING to stop crime. Holy fuck, you meritorious motherfuckers don't have the brains you were born with.
I am a sergeant who has no expectations of being made Lt. via the merit process. I am in patrol, working as a sector sergeant. I have no clout. I have no problem going to any meeting with anyone, including the Superintendent, and letting them know that we are doing the best we can under the present conditions and with the resources available to us. I do my job on the street and expect my officers to do their job. However, I refuse to put my officers or myself in harms way. By harm I mean personal harm but also professional harm. I am painfully aware of the current animosity against our profession. Many persons in the "community," media, elected officials, appointed officials and others want to make an example of us. I keep up with the news and often read the comments in police related matters. There are many commenters who are happy to see us dead, indicted, hurt, arrested, fired or any other situation which would be detrimental to us. During these days in which our profession in under attack, the best strategy is to, first and foremost, protect ourselves at all costs.
This is just more excuses bullshit. You are all sworn officers. If /when you see crime you take action. How is a Sgt, supposed to be accountable for that.
Ooohhh double secret probation. Blow me
So you pissed off all the P.Os now it's time to make your Seargeants all disgruntled too...nice strategy . Bring morale even further down.
if youre a sgt do yourselves a favor and LEAVE NOW!!! I retired just about 2 years ago as a sgt. I was worried because I was leaving with only 24 years on and I had the "guilts" about staying till 29 years to make sure I could make it financially but I found out that Life is good! I work a nice little job, I am a regular person, I get to talk to regular people and I make some nice money along with my pension I started collecting at 51. Me and the wife can travel and have fun and it really is a great time in my life. I loved being a chicago cop. For the most part I loved being a sgt, but being retired and going to work a normal job is the best feeling in the world. The stress is completely gone, work is actually fun because you feel like a normal person and always have a smile on my face. Do yourselves a favor, especially with times like this if you are over 50, even if you are not maxed out leave. Life is short, especially after 50 it goes quick. Dont give your good years to this job. If you can leave, and get a nice m-f stress free job DO IT!!!! Please dont subject yourself to this garbage anymore. If you run and gun and are knee deep in the streets up until the day you retire you will be miserable. You will miss it and you will have trouble "turning it off". Get a nice little job, leave this department and slowly transition out of here with a new job when you are young. You will appreciate it so much when you are in the later years of your life you just dont realize it now. Dont wait for that 29 and a day or longer, if you can get out and collect your pension next month because you are older than 50 do it.
Hold the media & the politicians accountable
Central sat xo is having a shit-fit about no one doing the isr's but as a p.o. he'd be the first one to not do them.
They cannot force you to write an ISR. That would be like shoving a quota down our throats. And that should be contested by the lawyers. FOP have anything to say? These comfy exempt pigs have no limit to their desperation so they will now put the heat on first line supervisors huh? Thinking that'll stir the troops? Any working battle worn Sgt should know exactly how to respond to their threats. We must have them by balls now that they're this desperate. Bottom line: ISR = no respect and trust in police to do the job they've been doing for years so they let a hug-a-thug organization known to coddle criminals and sue police micro manage (with no real legal athuority but a contract with the city) the way we conduct our stops in hopes to jam us up. Now the top brass wants to go around this deal with the devil. You guys should of had the balls to stand up to McGoof and Tiny dancer when you had the chance instead of looking after your own hides. F.U. You get in a car and drive around the hood and you do the stops!
Maybe now when the bodies start pilling up the community will be forced to learn conflict resolution and settle disputes without raising a gun. They will have to learn to take care of and 'police' their own communities instead of relying on the police to hold their hand as they go thru the hardships of life. Enough tax dollars have been spent there with little resolve. Pro active policing has been the band aide of an inevitable larger illness.
It's more proof that the brass only care about themselves and furthering their careers. Fully knowing the massive restrictive rules and monitoring of policing they still expect the same stats. They expect the lowly POs to solve all the city's problems and to take the fall when things go wrong too. The brass are unscathed. They expect the POs to empty the Ocean with a spoon! They want POs to stop evil from killing evil. Impossible under the new world order.
Take a moment and close your eyes and clear your mind of everything. Now think what life would be like if there were no police in Chicago for one week! The police are the thin line between chaos and civility! Imagine the aldermen and mayor keeping their flock in order!
You had to know there was an ulterior motive to their promoting these last classes. Brass expects them to sell their souls for the proverbial "thirty pieces of (extra) silver".
To many in the CDP are fighting the ruling politicians, the city machine. That will never work and will end poorly. Go with the political flow.
That's his strategy? More useless meetings? Instead of undoing all the damage McCarthy did he is going to build on it?
Superintendent, here is a concept I have posted before but is completely lost to our leadership. Happy cops are productive cops. Treat your people with respect, take care of them and provide leadership based on experience not a phone call. Start there. You will be amazed how cops will react to this.
compstat puts downward pressure on officers, which can result in questionable stops that the Feds and ACLU are not happy about. It is a quota driven, number spinning machine , that is going to get people jammed up for policing practices. when the fed investigators ask me, I'm going to explain to them who is cracking the whip downtown.
"Sir, what do you mean my sector is down on the number of ISR's completed? What is the acceptable number for which your are looking or the number that is considered goal?"
Nobody could kill CAPS.
Looks like nobody is going to be able to kill compost either.
LMFAO, a 27 year sgt and a 24 year PO are trembling!!! But, that 7 year sgt, working a SAT team, with the two year POs are fuckin scared right now. Both are thinking, holy shit I dont want to work a dist on midnights!!!!!
Well I will give those guys some advise, suck it up welcome to the CPD and get some seniority, like we all did and wait out your time like we all did. I did 6 years on midnights. I got 24 years on and I dont give no FAKS now.
I see VRI really works. Since the start of it, crime has risen, not dropped.
What's next, District wide Comp-Stat and Beat Comp-Stat? This department is ran by idiots and fools.
This will continue until someone in power has the balls to say this: There is a segment of our society that has grown up with no direction, no values, and no fear of punishment. Until that segment is brought under control by any means necessary, the violence will continue.
Since cameras for cops is now the law of the land, the bosses should all wear them to these commie style self examination peer group meetings, and see which one documents the screaming and hollering. And then puts it on you tube.
Hello Sarge, my name is Officer Fetal Fannie. I won't cause a lick of trouble. I'll take care of my beat, arrive to my assignments in a timely manner, but f**k it if you think I'm giving you any isr's. I'm bid on days and don't really care if I get a bad review.
As our friend Sherrif David Clarke would say. Stop trying to fix the police and fix the ghetto. Broken homes = broken communities.
The article points to to Deputy Chiefs doing what Tracy did. These two buffoons where so far up New York ass they should be gone too. Of course if you were the street deputy or whatever they called it during the Laquan Macdonald incident, uh oh Dave, you'll probably be gone soon anyway.
I will pay to watch GM's 011 Dist meeting.
The unfortunate thing is that McCarthy will come out looking like the numbers increased after his departure. Causing people to believe he was a strategic genius. Truth be told the numbers were increasing during his tenure and would be the same if still doing his egotistical interviews.
Our socialist/commie "leaders" should just follow the advise of their hero Joseph Stalin. A famous quote from him: "when all else fails, resort to harsh repression."
So glad the writing has been clearly written on the wall....I am leaving in May 2016. I, like many other sgts, am going to start retirement. I hope many more of my co-workwrs take advantage and retire this year. Take advantage of the free health care if your 55 or older.....this city doesn't deserve anything. Job has changed so much that I don't see it recovering within the next 10-15 yrs. Save yourself and get out while you can. Good luck everyone. STAY FETAL!!!!!
Well it's been said in the past all sergeants are simply overpaid baby sitters. Please remain safe my fetal brethren.
Scare tactics are in full force in Area Central. ISR's, Guns and arrests are the only thing that count. Heavy pressure to "create" #'s. Hope officers do not cave and put themselves in the trick bag. Bosses need to realize that policing has changed and it's not the officers fault.
So let's see how this might work. Escalente: up next Area South agg. bat mission team Sgt. You had over 100 shootings last period with no arrest why is this? Agg. Bat Sgt: That would be because all of my victims are gang banging criminals and when interviewed by my detectives they told them to go f themselves. Any more questions Supe??? Brilliant idea.
I was in the station checking on cameras. Was someone shot again?
Camera is our first priority.
This is truly desperate on the supt's and gold star's part. A commander can be reassigned, demoted, scolded etc. You can't take away my sgt star. I still have a soul. Go ahead detail me out or change my start time. Big deal. I can work any watch or district. I am looking forward to it. It's like you're a substitute teacher for the day. Pass out some coloring books and take a nap.
I thought making Sgt was license to do nothing! what gives?
If you think that we have bad supervisors, look at this clouted jagbag. This is what happens when you promote people with no experience or time on the job. Less than 10 years on and already a captain??? Sounds like our department.
http://m.nydailynews.com/new-york/nypd-
captain-clocked-2-cops-shot-brooklyn-article-1.2544020
I know, let's double down on the system that got us into this mess. No one McCarthy left behind seems to know what to do except imitate him. It's like they want a mutiny. If you lose the sergeants you've lost the department. How many members above the rank of sergeant have any kind of meaningful interaction with officers that work the street? There was a collective sigh when he left when ordinary police officers thought we would return to saner times. What he were doing was so wrong and so ineffective that no one thought they'd keep compstat around. Things are now driving toward a tipping point where they will lose the department and they'll never get it back.
As a retired Sergeant (10 years before retirement) I have a question for the Acting Superintendent. WHAT SUPERVISORY ACTIVITIES ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE AWAY FROM A FIELD SERGEANT? A field sergeant has the following supervisory activities: Reading and Approving reports, answer calls for service from citizens, ensuring that patrol officers are making periodical checks at Chicago Park Districts Field Houses and/or Chicago Public Schools, vehicle checks, court derivations reports, imitating and investigating CR #'s, and if you work in a district where Police Officers live, making medical checks. And let us not forget to respond to when a Officer needs advise or supervise incidents that occur during the normal course of a tour of duty. I want to make one thing clear, I never complained about of being a sergeant or performing the various duties that went with the position. What I am asking and saying that at some point is it going to be the straw that brakes the camels back? I can remember doing 6 to 8 medical checks a day before I could do anything else. I sometimes read a couple of dozen reports for approval(As a former Detective, I READ EVERY REPORT SUBMITTED). This doesn't include any other activities that was assigned by the District Commander or Watch Commander. Believe me, this is not a complaint but again, where are the present sergeants going to get the time to do all of this? This is a prime example of NOT GOING TO THE SOURCE AND ASKING FOR OPINIONS AND OR ADVICE. I always believed that the Upper Level Command, should go out to the Districts and have periodical grip secession with Patrol District Officers. In my ten years as a District Sergeant I NEVER HAD A AREA DEPUTY CHIEF OR HIGHER COME TO THE DISTRICT AND LISTEN TO THE OFFICERS> NEVER! That also applies to District Sergeants. In 10 years of working in a District, I never had the occasion where a ADC or Higher come out and hold a meeting to get our opinion on anything. I have no idea if the superintendent reads this log, if he does than I am going to give you some advise: Go out to the Districts and start asking questions. You know what? You are going to find some good advise on how to make the department better.
Oh yea, and don't forget the fact that that sergeants :
Don't have a hand in hiring anyone
Firing anyone
Promoting anyone
Making any policy decisions
Picking people to work for them
Disciplining anyone ( you can recommend but the many layers of approval above you decide)
So when the average PO figures all that out he/she just goes around you to the merit LT or Capt and gets what they want
Maybe Escalade should do away with the sergeant rank and make everyone a merit Lieutenant.
Compstat works great for NYPD. Why can't Chicago get it to work?
All you have to say and do to the "merit" boys is: "when I see someone acting suspiciously and I believe that I have probable cause to stop them and conduct a field interview and pat down for weapons, to insure my safety, I will comply with the law and dept orders and complete a ,dri or what ever it's called, as ordered by my supervisor s the ACLU.
Unless it's a tact team or specialized unit, which are mostly gone, a sergeants has many different people on his log everyday. There are regular days off, time due, v days, medical days and different sectors in a district. So how can you hold a sergeant accountable for activity when he may only have someone on his log for 1 day? How can he monitor their activity.
Body......cameras......, sarg........
Ironic how arrest are way down and murders are way up.
You know this idea was Rahm's and he shoved it down Escalante's throat.
What would happen if a sergeant requested to be an officer?
Would that be allowed?
Did Laquan McDonald's brother get arrested for robbing undercover officer in 015?
I'm a sergeant in a northwest side district and I don't give a flying fuck if the officers on my log and in my district never write a single contact card, ever. I care that they stop the right jagoff, at the right time, and put him in the penitentiary, or the morgue, before he hurts or kills one of our family or neighbors where we live. To that end, the officers can use the minimal amount of effort necessary to effect the contact card and then go on to the business of calling the dicks air felony review. I'll give them their early duck when they're done, or pad their slip a little if they go into overtime, as a thank you for a job well done. I understand those who say, "stay fetal" but would remind them of the inevitable consequence of doing so as I'm walking around like an asshole tying up red tape around a home or sidewalk on your block. I got a great idea. Lets employ the "balancing test" or "weigh the police purpose" before the stop. A contact to document the stop that led to arrest and charging of the mule that needs to be arrested won't kill anyone. Good luck and pray for Jason van Dyke.
I am retired and thankful for that. Now all I have to do is hope the pension stays solvent and I am not reduced to poverty. A good patrol sergeant always had it rough, trying to keep track of his cars, sign those reports, answer jobs and all of the other things that come up. They never were respected under past superintendents and never compensated for the job they do. Most brass treated them as over paid patrolmen. Escalante is blowing smoke up their ass if he thinks this will work. Not enough sergeants to start with. And, there is no way you can make a police officer do a street stop and write a report if the officer claims he is not seeing it. You just can't. Escalante is a merit promote all the way, every rank, never passed a promotional exam based on job knowledge, but made on clout alone. He and most of the rest of the command staff. They don't hold the respect of the mass of officers. He might be a nice person to work for, but I can name many nice people who also never passed an exam and who never were appointed a rank or two or three.
Shifting the "quota" system over to the sgts.
Go ahead, discipline me for my troops not writing movers and ISRs.
I will win it all back in Arbitration.
Your stupid pressure to increase contact cards got us into this ACLU fix to begin with.
In the meantime fully realize that we are not in the era of the carrot, we are in the era of the stick.
Not only are they going to continually hit us with the stick, but they are going to stick it to us any way they can.
You want to Bet Deb Kirby is in the final three or four applicants!
The only hope for the CPD is that the Feds will take it over, put their own white shirts in place, and completely run the dept for the next ten to twenty years.
From the Sun Times:
"We will ask things like, ‘How many sergeants are supervising officers in an area,’ and we’ll cross-check that with the crime activity in the area,” said Anthony Guglielmi, a spokesman for the police department. “If we are experiencing an uptick in a district, how many officers are there and what is the sergeant/officer ratio?”
Well Tony, I have 2 -3 pages of logs and since I have to call in each ticket number, I'm in the station more than on the street. Kind of like the "Field Leutenant" who only leaves to get coffee. And the new log sheets have more info to fill out concerning body cameras now. I hope the FOIA Section is beefed up. Everyone will want to see all these videos.
I always though my job as a supervisor was to make the job of my troops more efficient and easier. But HQ seems to go in the opposite direction. Oh well, we're just Call Back on wheels.
It is important to understand crime trends and crunch numbers. That said mandating activity without a firm connection to dealing with those trends is counter productive and that is one of the things that got us here in the first place. Missions just to generate event numbers, contact cards (ISR) so the commanders can say they are "doing something" and the blueshirts just roll their eyes and do what they need to do to survive. If the command staff had any sense (which they don't) they would know now is the time to back off a bit and reevaluate.
According to tbe Slum-times today we are getting a highly decorated security guard with beautiful bronze skin and a degree in fighting crime ... we are doomed.
I hope to high hell the so called Obama Justice Department is reading SCC!!! They'll get more legitimate information here, than during their so called investigation. Morale is piss poor, we only get negative input from department management, the department is run down, are working relationship with the city and department is terrible, they want to bankrupt our Pension, take away our health insurance in 2017, jam us with ISR's, equipment is barely functioning and on top of everything else our strength (man power numbers)is at an all time low. Not to mention our meritorious promotions are fraudulent.Last but not least, management's numbers when opening bid spots is totally out of whack. Sure, it's all bullshit????!!!! and Tiny Dancer does not care about our children in the city!!!! what else, anybody?
To the unpublished "Held Accountable"
We're quasi-military, not paramilitary. Look it up - big difference.
Read Rule #7 on the right side of the blog.
Officers, if you will only stay fetal a little longer, things will get better, they have to.
It's going to be an unseasonal warm week end guys,and gals in blue. Stay Fetal, Stay Safe ,and Stay out of the News ! Let them Ghetto Savages run wild ! Let the A.C.L.U. and the News Media deal with this shit that they created !
Mistuh Six says:
"With this NEW strategy, >snicker!< we are going
to push "accountability" for the increasing crime statistics,
down to Patrol Sergeants since the Patrol Officers
aren't generating what we in the command and
exempt echelon feel are enough ISR reports to give
the department the statistical leverage needed
in order for us to be able to get in front of this
upward trend before the summer killing season."
>Stands back.
Admires work.<
Translation:
The never-been-the-Police,
Gold Star merit humps are
absolutely beside themselves
because of their monumental
failure in "motivating" the churls
in Patrol to ignore the inherent
dangers that generating those
intentionally hazardous ISRs
pose to their freedom, finances,
families, careers and lives.
Surely, they must recognize by now,
that there is NO correct way to do
those damned things in a manner
that will protect the completing
officer from future grief, aggravation
and much sorrow at the hands of
the ACLU.
R&D says:
"Stand by.
We're gonna shorten it so you Beat Slugs
will stop bitching and start doing these things."
The powers that be have much angst because
"Those dumb Blue-Shirts" recognized early on,
the very real dangers posed by Rahm Emanuel
out-smarting his bad self and acquiescing to the
ACLU and conceding de facto control of CPD to
THEM lest they stoke the bonfires of unrest against
Rahm amongst the Catered-To Constituencies in
Chicago.
"The Police ARE the problem.
Once we fix THEM, everything
else will fall in place..."
Viva Hate.
Give them NOTHING
to hurt you with.
Go home to your families
safe and sound no matter what.
Remain:
Un-sued.
Un-indicted.
Un-imprisoned.
Un-bankrupted.
Un-ruined.
How to do that?
Continue giving THEM the dry,
flavorless, unsexy, unexciting,
lawfully required minimum,
arms-length Policing that
generates no complaints
and no controversy...
The days of boldly stepping forward
into a gray-area because it was the
righteous thing to do for society, are
dead and gone.
Policemen are now losing everything,
if not going to prison for multiples of
years for trying to Police the old fashioned,
Warrior/Guardian/Protector ways
when the public has very loudly and clearly
said they no longer want or need this level
of care and concern.
"Stop being all big, strong, rough, tough,
surly and forceful. It's intimidating and scary."
The take-away in all this?
"The culture of Policing must be changed
because it's time for you old blue collar,
Catholic League footballers, wrestlers,
alley brawlers, CPD and military legacies
"from Mt. Greenwood" who think funny
thoughts and cling to outdated notions,
are here past your expiration date."
And that also goes for all you others
who hold similar such ideal...
The powers that be, want to re-boot
Policing into what, exactly?
This ISR nonsense is here because GMac pushed contact cards. I have a few years left as a Sgt and I am out of here. The stops are not worth the headaches for the P.O. or the Sgt that approves them. The liberals got what they want now lets sit back and watch the murder rate skyrocket. It is job security you know.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
What's next, District wide Comp-Stat and Beat Comp-Stat? This department is ran by idiots and fools.
2/26/2016 06:44:00 AM
Squad car level Comp-Stat?
"911, what's your emergency?"
"It's two Po-leeces rollin' around on
tha' muhfukkin' groun' whuppin' each
others ass an' hollerin' 'bout "activity"
an' shit!"
"No worries, it's their monthly in-car
Comp-Stat meeting. They'll get tired
after a while..."
Can anyone not see how
fucking INSANE it would be
to hold onto the statistical
gypsy chimney shaker bullshit
that comp-stat is?
Nary an intelligent m/fer in sight among
CPD exempts.
They're all mentally deficient, intellectually disinterested
Chicago clout humps trying to steal exhorbitant pay long
enough to steal their political-criminal enhanced pensions.
Bunch of fuckin'
running dog m/fers.
The beatings will continue until morale improves! Let me get this straight. You are going to fuck with the only coppers that are actually going out there trying to do some work in this environment......GFY
Compstat works great for NYPD. Why can't Chicago get it to work?
really, COMSTAT has been proven to be nothing but lies. Killing Crime its the way it works.That is why the FBI refuses to take our numbers.And since we are down at least 3000 from the budgeted number there are less police to do reports. Victims don t wait around for the police to make a report. No report = it never happened.
More meetings ! That will stop the murders ! Why didn't anyone else think of that ???
/sarcasm off
There is absolutely nothing that occurs within the corporate boundaries of the city that cannot be blamed on a sergeant
I'm a sergeant with 25 years on the job. You aren't going to intimidate me or any other sergeants with that amount of time on. Especially after this exam scam of a lieutenants test the city just rigged!
OT: but interesting and current, as it relates to quota-based policing and recorded conversations of supervisors pressuring NYPD department members for more activity
http://nyti.ms/1R9FCGu
So let me get this straight . The Sgts are responsible for CRs, spars, damage to vehicles, desk duties, lock up, logs, check off, the officers on the street, req. sup. calls, domestics, uniforms, and now this bullshit. I am a bid, fu!
And the Lt duties are what?
2/26/2016 01:05:00 AM
The Lt. duties are holding roll call, sending a squad car to pick up their lunch, and watching TV the rest of the night in that order. Now go get your shine box SARGE!
I am a sergeant who has no expectations of being made Lt. via the merit process. I am in patrol, working as a sector sergeant. I have no clout. I have no problem going to any meeting with anyone, including the Superintendent, and letting them know that we are doing the best we can under the present conditions and with the resources available to us. I do my job on the street and expect my officers to do their job. However, I refuse to put my officers or myself in harms way. By harm I mean personal harm but also professional harm. I am painfully aware of the current animosity against our profession. Many persons in the "community," media, elected officials, appointed officials and others want to make an example of us. I keep up with the news and often read the comments in police related matters. There are many commenters who are happy to see us dead, indicted, hurt, arrested, fired or any other situation which would be detrimental to us. During these days in which our profession in under attack, the best strategy is to, first and foremost, protect ourselves at all costs.
2/26/2016 02:28:00 AM
If you really are a sergeant, you're a rare one indeed.
A Chinese guru said a man neglects his health to make money, and then later in his life he tries to spend that money to regain his health. That is the story of many retired Chicago police officers. The job ends, the alcoholism and memories stay!
I thought making Sgt was license to do nothing! what gives?
2/26/2016 08:47:00 AM
It is if you're smart.
I'm laughing at this , just thinking how the bosses are going crazy trying to think of ways to solve the recent spikes in crime, how we have the go-getting workers not able to do what they want work-wise ! everybody having an opinion on policing, yet no one points to the fact that the problem lies outside of the department ! I'm staying fetal and keep collecting my checks on the 1st and 16th ! Less than 4 yrs on - stress free and ROD !
Anonymous Anonymous said...
To many in the CDP are fighting the ruling politicians, the city machine. That will never work and will end poorly. Go with the political flow.
2/26/2016 04:31:00 AM
Are you stupid? Going with the political Flow with get you suspended or FIRED.
Remember this simple State Law: Quota based enforcement is ILLEGAL for all Law Enforcement Agencies.
If you see it ON View...do the paper. But if you are trying to keep a spot or get brownies points by going for numbers...
Write the Movers...don't give the city any money for it...State Charge, Failure to stop properly at a Stop Sign. Bike Rider fails to stop for a Red Light or a Pedestrian in a Crosswalk. And then...do the CC or ISR depending on which is called for by your Traffic Stop.
Leave the parkers to Me!
Finance Guy on a Bike still praying for a Real Job with the City.
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Anonymous Anonymous said...
This is truly desperate on the supt's and gold star's part. A commander can be reassigned, demoted, scolded etc. You can't take away my sgt star. I still have a soul. Go ahead detail me out or change my start time. Big deal. I can work any watch or district. I am looking forward to it. It's like you're a substitute teacher for the day. Pass out some coloring books and take a nap.
2/26/2016 08:40:00 AM
Thanks for the laugh good Sgt. You have your head on straight.
Looks like the next superintendent will be a black male, no surprise there, but it also looks like he has no urban police experience but was the past head of NOBLE and wrote an article critical of Rahm and how he handled the McDonald incident.
In roll call, LT says we have to do ISR's or we'll lose our beat cars.
Go out to the Districts and start asking questions. You know what? You are going to find some good advise on how to make the department better.
2/26/2016 09:19:00 AM
I recall when the department started community policing and asked for volunteers to give their opinions and advice and sit on committees. I did that because I really thought that Matt Rodriguez was serious. I was on a committee with Terry Hillard who then was the commander of 006. I was working midnights and tired as hell when I arrived only to find Hillard could not make it which was the case most of the time. Our recommendations and opinions were completely disregarded . This was only a dog and pony show so the department could look good. The brass don't want your opinion or your input they only want to to do as they say, not as they do. I had a deputy chief tell me that general orders were orders for me but only guidelines for him. And, I found most of the gold stars are very ignorant of department orders,I know I worked in the superintendent's office for a while and I was astounded at the stupidity of the brass and the trouble that they get into only to have it covered up.
Anonymous said...
CompStat works miracles for the NYPD. Why can't the CPD use or analyze it properly?
2/26/2016 01:19:00 AM
You are one ignorant troll who does not have any concept of what you are talking about , not about what COMSTAT is or if it is really working . Go back to sleep
New per general order. At the beginning of your tour of duty before leaving the parking lot you are to activate your lights to turn on the camera and microphones, and then announce your car number, your name, and star number into the mic. Might as well state your address and financial assets in the mic while we're at it.
I swear with all this nonsense, body cams coming in spring, getting thrown under the political bus time and again, and now with all these liberal candidates running for various political positions, we are doomed. I'm not leaving the hole except for jobs. It's sad, it really is. At least I had a few good years where I actually felt like a real cop, stopping real bad guys.
And did you guys see who the fuck the fop is backing up in the elections. Not only that ass hole madigan but the genius that came up withthe isr and wants every officer to be punished for the smallest incident. Holy fuckin shit
I'm a maxed out bid Sgt to a nice district & I'm a bid on my watch, but I'm a couple years short of 55.
They can threaten me all they want but I'll NEVER ask the troops to jeopardize their job or their paycheck to appease the higher ups & their demands.
Watch each other backs and go home in the same condition you arrived in!!
What can go wrong? Lets see here....... blame the police for being proactive, then blame them for not being proactive. Put cameras everywhere (even on our bodies) and make police do mounds of paperwork for being proactive (while they're potentially more afraid of lawsuits). You get paid (well by the way) to answer calls and not be proactive. The department promotes 30% of people on who they know (that we know for sure - of course its higher). Lets attract more minorities not more qualified people in general leaving the most qualified to do the most work. Meanwhile have you seen the most recent recruits? I am not trying to be mean but they are not ready to work the next decade in the ghetto (who is?). Because of the lure of a decent paying job, 2 years of college required, there are fewer "real police" coming on the police job. We have glorified secretaries running around....no one to go hands on and no one wants us to go hands on....not the communities we serve, not the department, not our families. They want the Sergeants to be accountable for what exactly? The incompetence of recruiting the wrong people, hiring the wrong people, passing people through PPO status when they shouldn't be, promoting incompetence all in the name of affirmative action, the list can go on and on. Answer your calls, back each other up (there are true bad guys out there), but the days of being proactive are over... just be reactive. It is safer from a physical, punitive, and emotional stand point. On top of all the above, lets throw in uncertainty about a pension that was promised to us. The officers that don't agree are either clouted, meritorious, or in management spots.
Ha Ha yeah right Sgt I'll get right on it, what are you going to do to me send me to a shit district well I'm already in a shit district. I'll handle my jobs but that is all no street stops I will not do anything that the ACLU will get their hands on and to tell you the truth I could give a shit about you, you are probably a merit hack who never did police work in your career and now you are going to tell me what to do not happening. Good luck with your supervisor meetings to explain why your sector does not have activity.
Anonymous said...
So let me get this straight . The Sgts are responsible for CRs, spars, damage to vehicles, desk duties, lock up, logs, check off, the officers on the street, req. sup. calls, domestics, uniforms, and now this bullshit. I am a bid, fu!
And the Lt duties are what?
Equal pay for Equal work. Eveyrtime I turn around its the Sgt who gets more responsibility and work to do. They constantly have the Lt doing less and less. Sgt is already an over burdened. The Lt should have to investigate all CR numbers, and Discipline investigations. There is not enough time in the day to do all these stupid complaints and monitor the streets. Why a Sgt is doing it for the people he has to directly supervise is a conflict of interest to start. Top that off if you don't have a recommendation that they want it gets kicked back. Then knocked down when the officer asks for a hearing. Its all smoke and mirrors why not quit wasting our time to begin with?
Why is the FOP endorsing State Senator Kwame Raoul for reelection?
This is the politician who sponsored the legislation that requires police officers to fill out the two page formset that is forwarded to the ACLU.
This is the politician who then stated that if a police officer fails to follow this law he should be indicted and tried for Official Misconduct.
Dean Angelo needs to explain this moronic move!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I am a sergeant who has no expectations of being made Lt. via the merit process. I am in patrol, working as a sector sergeant. I have no clout. I have no problem going to any meeting with anyone, including the Superintendent, and letting them know that we are doing the best we can under the present conditions and with the resources available to us. I do my job on the street and expect my officers to do their job. However, I refuse to put my officers or myself in harms way. By harm I mean personal harm but also professional harm. I am painfully aware of the current animosity against our profession. Many persons in the "community," media, elected officials, appointed officials and others want to make an example of us. I keep up with the news and often read the comments in police related matters. There are many commenters who are happy to see us dead, indicted, hurt, arrested, fired or any other situation which would be detrimental to us. During these days in which our profession in under attack, the best strategy is to, first and foremost, protect ourselves at all costs.
Good advise. Retired 2010
Let's see...The Department has been reduced in manpower by 1500. The Department no longer has a proactive unit that is not tied to the radio (SOS, TRU, MSF) that can go into violence zones and do street and traffic stops. The Department has the ISR which is as long and detailed as an arrest report and is accessible by the ACLU. The Department has reduced the duties of Lts to essentially nothing. The Department has increased the work load and duties on Sgts. So now the Department wants to hold Sgts accountable for the increase in violence in their area of responsibility? Rahm, McCarthy and the legislature are to blame for the spike in violence.
First the mayor decided to reduce manpower as a result of the steady declines in violence over the previous years. He reduced manpower too much and too soon. He wanted to reduce manpower for budgetary reasons so he could have more money for contracts such as the massive water main project which is ongoing. Rahm also hired McCarthy.
Second McCarthy, in order to reduce manpower, dismantled TRU and MSF and combined districts and areas. McCarthy instituted comp stat, a ludicrous and numbers driven program, which publicly criticized his command staff and tacitly approved of stop and frisk. McCarthy's insistance on officers to take "ownership" of the beat by them "putting their hands on people" in order to generate thousands of contact cards which drew the attention of the ACLU. By the way, how can you do proactive policing when you are bogged down with radio assignments stacked 2 and 3 deep? He institutes the DSS because that is " how we do it in New York". Closes stations and lock ups.
Third the legislature passing a law requiring officers to document street and traffic stops as if the police are the problem. The wording of the legislation reads as if the police intentionally and routinely violate citizens civil rights. The legislature refuses to get tough on violent criminals so as not to "unfairly target people of color in our communities".
The answer to this mess. The city has to immediately withdraw its settlement agreement with the ACLU. The ISR has to be reduced to a 5 min form. The city has to hire at least 500 officers and reestablish a proactive police unit not tied to the radio. The police should be dispatched only when absolutely necessary. The public inquisition known as comp stat needs to be abolished and the chain of command restored where by the. Superintendent meets with his deputies and the deputies meet with their commanders (area meetings) to deceminate info and strategies. The Lts should be restored as watch commanders who address roll calls to give the troops a consistent message. The desk sergeant position restored as was before the DSS abomination was placed upon us. Districts and lock ups for 25 police districts re-established. The legislature needs to have mandatory minimum sentences for gun offenders such as 5,10,and 20 year sentences for first second and third time convictions. Jail cells need to be reserved for violent offenders. Finally the homicide clearance rate has to increase. The gangster has learned that he has a good chance of getting away with murder and so he is more likely to commit murder again and again. Wait when the body cameras arrive. This is going be a long hot summer.
Central sat xo is having a shit-fit about no one doing the isr's but as a p.o. he'd be the first one to not do them.
2/26/2016 02:55:00
The screeming skull was never the Police. House mouse in 019 and 025 until Boggs got him in a study group to make Lt.
Makes my heart proud to know we still have a few sgt.'s with balls.
I'm a sergeant in a northwest side district and I don't give a flying fuck if the officers on my log and in my district never write a single contact card, ever. I care that they stop the right jagoff, at the right time, and put him in the penitentiary, or the morgue, before he hurts or kills one of our family or neighbors where we live. To that end, the officers can use the minimal amount of effort necessary to effect the contact card and then go on to the business of calling the dicks air felony review. I'll give them their early duck when they're done, or pad their slip a little if they go into overtime, as a thank you for a job well done. I understand those who say, "stay fetal" but would remind them of the inevitable consequence of doing so as I'm walking around like an asshole tying up red tape around a home or sidewalk on your block. I got a great idea. Lets employ the "balancing test" or "weigh the police purpose" before the stop. A contact to document the stop that led to arrest and charging of the mule that needs to be arrested won't kill anyone. Good luck and pray for Jason van Dyke.
2/26/2016 10:21:00 AM
Wish we had more Sgt's like you boss
Actually it's the clouted Sergeants for Area Saturation /Gang/Gun teams that will haveto answer why they're guys aren't doing anything. Patrol Sergeants won't be included. This may get interesting.
2/26/2016 12:30:00 AM
How do you figure? What are people not getting? Quotas and pushing numbers are illegal....ILLEGAL. That's per state law. This is what you get when you have bosses who don't know what the fuck to do besides push numbers.
SCC: I don't know how close you all are to retirement, but I don't even want to think what an impact (void) it would leave if you shut down this blog. You're very brave. I don't think people thank you enough (including me)...so thank you.
To the unpublished "Held Accountable"
We're quasi-military, not paramilitary. Look it up - big difference.
Read Rule #7 on the right side of the blog.
2/26/2016 12:48:00 PM
I tried to look up quasi-military vs. paramilitary (via Google) and could not find a definition for quasi-military. If anyone has a link with detailed definitions, please post it.
Thanks for all you do SCC.
I need some clear direction and goals. Exactly how many ISRs am I required to bring in? What's my goal. Please let me know so I have some kind of idea on what I need to do to accomplish this goal. Thank you.
I know you don't like CompStat, but without some kind of numbers, how can anyone know what's working or not working? Accountability becomes subjective - kind of like "merit" promotions, and we know how well that works.
The problem is how to collect numbers accurately, and to collect numbers that are truly representative of conditions. (Two separate issues.) And to avoid people "gaming the system" by finding shortcuts to generate favorable numbers.
Just A Civilian (who crunches numbers for fun)
OT:
Caution - think twice about opening the video link to the "addressing misinformation" regarding the A.C.L.U and the Department of Justice review that was sent to your email.
Anonymous said...
What would happen if a sergeant requested to be an officer?
Would that be allowed?
2/26/2016 10:11:00 AM
Take a minute and read up on it.
You must be a merit hack that has had everything done for them.
Anonymous said...
Compstat works great for NYPD. Why can't Chicago get it to work?
2/26/2016 09:23:00 AM
It's all bullshit,genius.
Just answer your calls - retire and be like me- enjoy you your boat , jet ski , motorcycle and freedom from piss tests -/ do what the bosses ask for and enjoy federal court for civil rights violations and liens on your assets - wake up do the minimum give the catered to constituency what they want maybe a lot less and leave chiraq - leave after 20 and take any other job - they all suck but none expose u to civil rights violation law suits like this job so u complain and make less and pay more for medical but no federal court - do u tucking understand me ??? No fucking federal court !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
In roll call, LT says we have to do ISR's or we'll lose our beat cars.
2/26/2016 04:08:00 PM
So what? Grow some balls already.
Why is the FOP endorsing State Senator Kwame Raoul for reelection?
This is the politician who sponsored the legislation that requires police officers to fill out the two page formset that is forwarded to the ACLU.
This is the politician who then stated that if a police officer fails to follow this law he should be indicted and tried for Official Misconduct.
Dean Angelo needs to explain this moronic move!
2/26/2016 05:46:00 PM
Dean Angelo and the rest of the FOP board are DONE!
NEVER to be elected again.
They have done NOTHING to stand up for and protect the officers that pay their salaries.
What would happen if a sergeant requested to be an officer?
Would that be allowed?
He would need to quit and take the entrance exam again and go through the hiring process again.
I'm a sergeant in a northwest side district and I don't give a flying fuck if the officers on my log and in my district never write a single contact card, ever. I care that they stop the right jagoff, at the right time, and put him in the penitentiary, or the morgue, before he hurts or kills one of our family or neighbors where we live. To that end, the officers can use the minimal amount of effort necessary to effect the contact card and then go on to the business of calling the dicks air felony review. I'll give them their early duck when they're done, or pad their slip a little if they go into overtime, as a thank you for a job well done. I understand those who say, "stay fetal" but would remind them of the inevitable consequence of doing so as I'm walking around like an asshole tying up red tape around a home or sidewalk on your block. I got a great idea. Lets employ the "balancing test" or "weigh the police purpose" before the stop. A contact to document the stop that led to arrest and charging of the mule that needs to be arrested won't kill anyone. Good luck and pray for Jason van Dyke.
2/26/2016 10:21:00 AM
Come south.We can use more like you.
OT:Under the new policy, the federal Bureau of Prisons will put prisoners finishing their sentences into immigration custody by default when immigration authorities seek deportation, even if local or state officials want the immigrant for prosecution or to finish a state or local sentence. Immigration officials may sometimes defer to state or local authorities, but will take into account a locality's cooperation with federal deportation requests in deciding whether to hand over a prisoner.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
So let me get this straight . The Sgts are responsible for CRs, spars, damage to vehicles, desk duties, lock up, logs, check off, the officers on the street, req. sup. calls, domestics, uniforms, and now this bullshit. I am a bid, fu!
And the Lt duties are what?
Equal pay for Equal work. Eveyrtime I turn around its the Sgt who gets more responsibility and work to do. They constantly have the Lt doing less and less. Sgt is already an over burdened. The Lt should have to investigate all CR numbers, and Discipline investigations. There is not enough time in the day to do all these stupid complaints and monitor the streets. Why a Sgt is doing it for the people he has to directly supervise is a conflict of interest to start. Top that off if you don't have a recommendation that they want it gets kicked back. Then knocked down when the officer asks for a hearing. Its all smoke and mirrors why not quit wasting our time to begin with?
2/26/2016 05:25:00 PM
To the two geniuses who wrote the above post. Sergeants were always responsible for the above duties. I did it for 18 years. If you feel overburdened start looking for a new job now. As for the Spars there is a matrix to be followed. Perhaps your writing skills are lacking in backing up the recommendation.
Blogger Rich Rostrom said...
I know you don't like CompStat, but without some kind of numbers, how can anyone know what's working or not working? Accountability becomes subjective - kind of like "merit" promotions, and we know how well that works.
The problem is how to collect numbers accurately, and to collect numbers that are truly representative of conditions. (Two separate issues.) And to avoid people "gaming the system" by finding shortcuts to generate favorable numbers.
Just A Civilian (who crunches numbers for fun)
DUHHHH! we have the numbers, they are called "crime statistics", even though the CPD cooks the books the numbers are there and they say IT AIN'T WORKING.
And now you know how teachers must feel. If a kid is not attentive, does not do his homework, does not test well, then the teachers are going to be blamed? And held accountable? For a poorly raised kids or a policy or policies they had no hand in developing and are told to accomplish with no manpower, no equipment and no support from on high?
Go ahead.
Brow beat or threaten me.
You will be recorded and I'll go straight to the ACLU with the evidence.
Fuck you.
On the up side, fund my pension and hospitalization and I'll leave tomorrow.
This superintendent is another goof by all means. Just as he got moved from position to position as tennis ball obviously shows he is a clown WITH A CLOUD WITH A SANSTORM. If you think he is watching your back then you are my follow brothers in big big denial. He is clown underneath and will bary you in a second. DO NOT TRUST THIS MAN. FRIENDLY ADVICE.
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