11%?
- Already reeling from a financial crisis and mass layoffs, Chicago State University acknowledged Friday that its graduation rate had dropped to 11 percent.
The public university, which has long been criticized for its strikingly low graduation rate, could now face increased scrutiny from lawmakers and accreditors. In recent years, the graduation rate ranged from 13 to 21 percent.
Maybe Greg Bella and the FOP could run an audit of the City Colleges and find places to cut spending, from the top heavy staff, to the unnecessary capital projects, to all sorts of fraudulent (and criminal) mismanagement.
You gotta start somewhere.
UPDATE: Evidently, Chicago State is not one of the city colleges. Our bad. However, that shouldn't stop anyone in an area of responsibility from running regular audits to make sure taxpayer money is being spent properly. We'd bet there are millions wasted at the City Colleges, Streets and San, Navy Pier, McCormick Place, the schools, maybe even the Police and Fire sides?
You gotta start somewhere.
UPDATE: Evidently, Chicago State is not one of the city colleges. Our bad. However, that shouldn't stop anyone in an area of responsibility from running regular audits to make sure taxpayer money is being spent properly. We'd bet there are millions wasted at the City Colleges, Streets and San, Navy Pier, McCormick Place, the schools, maybe even the Police and Fire sides?
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posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
51 Comments:
Chicago State is NOT a city college, it is actually a state university.
And it's a SIX year program, not four.
But l'm certain that with more of my hard earned money we can boost that up to a solid 12%.
Chicago state is a bullshit university
News radio saying -- "But you can't rightly count the ones who transferred out, and transferred back in again, and transferred out."
Worn out a long time ago, here.
Really. Tuned off news, off local latest-restaurant, coolest boutique, anything, and enjoying music from The Old America, 80+ years ago...SO sick of drive-time radio playing a lousy five-second sound bite of "angry protesters" sounding like the "Washing Of The Spears" for a good 36 hours before they let off it.
WBBM.
Wake up!!!! The pension board is wasting our money on legal fees and losing. Whats the point when they lose in the courts?
Read further the other day re CSU that of some 600 students (think that's the number) only 67 graduated after 6 years later. Millions spent everywhere. Proof is in the pudding. Stop the madness.
CSU is not really the "Harvard of the South Side". If they closed up and got rid of the whole faculty and administration, it would not severely impact higher education in Illinois.
The state may have to take some drastic steps like that. Instead of just focusing on mental health programs and cutting things that don't effect too many people, real cuts have to be made.
Cutting some poor-performing, marginal "university" would not be the end of the world. Some others across the state could also be candidates.
Some of the well-known "party schools" and degree mills like Illinois State University could also be shut down. The only education going on at places like that are how to binge drink and open up a keg.
As you said, you have to start somewhere.
I think if they close down Chicago State, they should have a parade at least.
We need to have something commemorative to celebrate all the work they have done.
Where is the starting point? I'll be there.
See you at the next parade.
Collages and universities are progressive strongholds and immune to normal standards.
Can you imagine what the graduation rate would be if they required the students to take equivalency exams? Or maybe write a college level essay?
If you run an audit of City Colleges, start out with their headquarters, located across from the former Sears Tower. Why does a Community College need to maintain an office in such an expensive area? Then investigate why former CPD Hack, Beatrice O'Donnell is using her position as Vice-Chancellor to serve as an employment agency for other Political Hacks seeking employment. And all of this is being paid for by Chicago tax-payers. Isn't her Gold Braid Merit Promotion pension enough?
Has State Rep Monique Davis returned the statute that was stolen from CSU and wound up in her office yet?
"...Maybe Greg Bella and the FOP could run an audit of the City Colleges and find places to cut spending, from the top heavy staff, to the unnecessary capital projects, to all sorts of fraudulent (and criminal) mismanagement. ..."
Just don't point fingers or play the blame game. Greg doesn't like that.
11% why in the hell do they call this a university it should be closed or become part of CPS what a waste of money, the degree that you get isn't worth the paper it is printed on
Damn! Only eleven percent of the "students" graduate? That even worse than the Clusterfuck PD's homicide clearance rate.
Have you visited Chicago State University? It is a massive institution with large buildings that could easily accommodate 20,000 students, but its actual enrollment is less than 5,000. Nowhere in the real world could such an institution exist without being downsized (selling off the surplus land and buildings) or being closed completely.
CSU is supported almost entirely by Illinois and Federal taxpayers as a monument to the egos of such political figures as Emil Jones, Sr., and the various reverends. Their attitude is that CSU deserves funding because it is "too black to fail." It was not a majority black institution until about twenty-five years ago. The mismanagement and corruption began under the new leadership.
The City Colleges leases a fourteen story office building to house its bureaucrats. Back in the day, the administrators worked from a single floor in the old Loop College (subsequently renamed for Harold Washington).
The City Colleges became a patronage pit when Emil Jones and the reverends took charge.
CSU is not one of the City Colleges, but you made an honest mistake as some of the professional educator crooks from the City Colleges moved from there to CSU and began looting the place about seven or eight years ago. What they did ought to be a public scandal, but they keep playing the race card to mute criticism and scrutiny of their misconduct.
Chicago State diplomas are printed on Charmin so they are good for at least one thing.
send them to the new Malcolm X. Have you seen that place? It makes Trump Tower look like a refridgerator box.
who is kidding who here. top heavy with blown out of proportion administrative staffs and their cushy salary's and perks. public university's should stand alone like their private counterparts.
Knoxville news sentinel recently reported coaches and staff state wide knocked down almost 50M in salary last year. how is Illinois doing? CSU a member of WAC is laughable. basket weaving not bassetball is needed at this fine institution.
Close Chicago State Down and move some of it to Governors State University. Move the Chicago Police and Fire academies to the Chicago State campus. You could even make it a education center for all of the city departments you can start apprenticeship programs like electrical, mechanical, cement, glazers, chauffeurs, carpenters trades so that the clouted and Rahm blessed can get free training and a guaranteed job upon graduation.
I grew up close to where the present day CSU is located. That land was a lumber mill back then. Almost 60 years later, and it's still nothing but dead wood.
What about all the phony credentials given to exempts from calumet college
While Greg is at at, he should look for that $200k FOP sued him over. What happened to that lawsuit ? Dean? Anyone?
So, why has the accrediting body never addressed the issues of low academic achievement? Humm?
The Deputy Chief of 011 is a proud Chicago State alumnus. He has the public speaking skills and critical thinking skills to prove it
If I remember years back Chicago State got caught in lies about the number of students attending seem they would register for classes show up for a few classes and never return but the so called university claimed attendance so they could get funding. So maybe the 11% are those who might have attended
I find the low % of graduates, "Concerning"
Your not too far off about City Colleges of Chicago, CCC, their graduation rate is only 7%. YES SEVEN percent, their was a piece done in the SunTimes last year about it. Each college has a president making $170,000 and Vice president making $126,000 Aunt Bea is the Vice Chancellor of security making $130,000 with 7 directors under her each making $70,000
Just Google - "City Colleges Employee Portal" it will list every employee and salary alphabetically. A lot of Political heavy weights on there.
I was an instructor at Chicago State for almost 10 years. Mostly, I did the off campus classes but occasionally I was on campus for daytime classes. I can tell you that the standards were very low. Even the full time faculty either called classes early or cancelled classes weekly. The students knew this and the word got around. Many of the part timers had academic standards so low that going to class was a waste of time. If you took attendance, required students to read the book, write papers and had some grading standards, the students would not enroll for your class the next term and it would be cancelled. I graduated from two Big 10 schools and if I held my students to the same academic standards that I had to face, I would have failed most of the class. Even graduate students were so poorly prepared that they were unable to write an outline for a research paper. It seemed that everyone was in on the deal, full time faculty and part time instructors. Just walk the building floors any day with a course schedule and you will see that classrooms that should be occupied are in fact empty. The "professors" cancel class on a regular basis. It was nothing but a degree mill with large office staffs and administrators all set up to provide patronage jobs. Many students would not even bother to purchase the text. I could never get permission for more then one course book and I always suspected that the administration was changing grades, especially for graduate students that I gave a failing grade . They should be ashamed of themselves to call this university a school of higher learning. I think one of the problems with the Chicago Public school system is the fact they have way too many CSU graduates on staff.
Anonymous said...
"...Maybe Greg Bella and the FOP could run an audit of the City Colleges and find places to cut spending, from the top heavy staff, to the unnecessary capital projects, to all sorts of fraudulent (and criminal) mismanagement. ..."
Just don't point fingers or play the blame game. Greg doesn't like that.
5/11/2016 03:03:00 AM
Greg, judge Greg where's my money?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ALC1jRiseE
My dog and cat each have their doctoral degrees from CSU.
How to improve the 11% graduation rate...
Simple, just award MERITORIOUS DEGREES like the CPD awards promotions...
If you think about it, the fact that there is only an 11% graduation rate may indicate that the officials have the integrity to only award people who have filled the minimum requirements.
The City Colleges of Chicago, Should Absolutely, Positively, Be Investigated ! In My Opinion, It Is A Cesspool, of Waste, and Political Sponsored Management Staff. Truth Is, No One Cares !
Anyone that shows up 25 percent of the time at Chicago state is given a BA, MBA, and PhD. Look at the current and past bosses that got degree' from this 3 rd. World college. My mixed breed canine mutt could get a PhD there.
Hillard, Martin, and so many other black bosses went there.
Check Eddie' resume'...yep, he went there. MBA in English literature. He will be on the speaker circuit making 100 grand a day talking about how to make friends with the Bishops and Rev' of the south and west sides.
They couldn't figure out the math?
What's the total number of graduates? 16? 24? 31?
Why hide the facts?
They won't mention that the entire faculty and staff takes probably 80% of their budget, which is subsidized by the
gov'mint.
I think we just found Mr.Lucas a perfect location for his museum! A location that will also be very accessible to the many black and brown children that his wife claims would otherwise will be deprived.
11% is a good deal at Menards.
I see nothing wrong with 11% - 90% would indicate that something is amiss.
Anonymous said...
While Greg is at at, he should look for that $200k FOP sued him over. What happened to that lawsuit ? Dean? Anyone?
5/11/2016 08:57:00 AM
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It's balloon head Mark Donahue and little Sid Davis who signed the check. Buy they will both be gone as soon as the Shields suit is settled.
They should be ashamed of themselves to call this university a school of higher learning. I think one of the problems with the Chicago Public school system is the fact they have way too many CSU graduates on staff.
5/11/2016 09:51:00 AM
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Time to shut it down. Stop wasting taxpayer money.
Illinois does NOT have the luxury of keeping open less-than-marginal schools- at ANY level - K-8, High school, or colleges.
CSU is also notorious for issuing credentials to politicians on the make who are in need of a degree for credibility. The Illinois General Assembly is full of CSU grads who are dimmer than ten watt bulbs.
11% is a diploma mill all-day-long. They take in federally-guaranteed loan dollars and grants from dumbshits and could care less if they gradumate or not. Just so long as they spend 8 years trying for a 4 year degree that lots of people do in 3.
Reminds me of that old SNL skit about the college...
A handful of us from Beverly braved going to that school in the early 80's. I got jumped in the parking lot my first semester there. Fortunately I had a self defense course the previous semester at another school and got away relatively unscathed. That was my last day there. I took a small financial hit and withdrew. Eventually I finished college elsewhere in far more pleasant surroundings.
Chicago State is a State of Illinois 4 year school. It isn't part of the City Colleges which are only 2 year schools.
Both the City Colleges of Chicago and Chicago State University have become money laundering operations pure and simple. Academic standards went out of fashion as soon as Emil Jones, Sr., began operating the institutions as his personal political patronage plantations.
One of the largest buildings at Chicago State is the Emil Jones Convocation Center, a basketball arena that doubles as an assembly hall.
Both the community college system and CSU were not performing badly under previous management, but that all began to change twenty-five years ago.
The Illinois budget crisis has given Chicago State political cover because now they can falsely claim that their woes are all the fault of Rauner. CSU had hit the skids long before this and Pat Quinn was up to his eyes in the mess since he allied himself with the political hoodlums who were delivering him votes while looting the place.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Chicago State is a State of Illinois 4 year school. It isn't part of the City Colleges which are only 2 year schools.
5/12/2016 04:30:00 AM
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Does that make their 11% graduation rate better than Chicago's 7% rate or either rate being remotely meaningful?
10 % are pusher through , those 1% are the only ones that earned a degree from CTC or CSU jajaja
nonymous said...
CSU is also notorious for issuing credentials to politicians on the make who are in need of a degree for credibility. The Illinois General Assembly is full of CSU grads who are dimmer than ten watt bulbs.
5/12/2016 01:31:00 AM
Uncle Terry is a Masters Degree graduate
Anonymous said...
So, why has the accrediting body never addressed the issues of low academic achievement? Humm?
5/11/2016 09:09:00 A
Oh, but they have. The school has been on probation a number of times and the North Central AssociAtion has threatened the university with loss of accreditation in a number of areas, most notably nursing. There is a lot of pressure on everyone to leave this university alone becAuse it is considered a black university and it is protected by the black political class of Illinois, contracts, patronage jobs, building, etc not the least granting degrees to many people who not get one if they had to attend a legitimate school. This was once the proud Chicago Teacher's College South. The black political class is afraid that they will loose this anchor on the south side.
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