Thursday, June 02, 2016

Publish the List?

So Eddie keeps talking about this "list." This "Strategic Subject List" or SSL is a list of individuals who are either prone to be shot, to being a shooter, or having some sort of inclination toward violent crime. The higher your SSL-Score, the more likely you are to be a "justice involved individual."

This list was supposedly created via an "algorithm" on city time, by city employees, using police records and court records - all paid for with taxpayer money.

So, should it be public? Citizens should know who's on it so they can disassociate themselves from dangerous people. Citizens should be able to make sure they aren't on it improperly. Perhaps the ACLU should ensure that the Rights of everyone listed aren't being violated by secret police files gathered under unknown circumstances isn't being maintained for something shady.

A few weeks ago, Eddie was it was a list of approximately 1,300 individuals. Just this weekend, the number grew to 1,400. Yesterday, a deputy chief gave an interview that set the number at nearly 1,500:
  • Chicago suffered through an especially bloody holiday weekend, with 69 people shot over the Memorial Day weekend, including six fatalities. Police said the vast majority of the victims were on a watchlist of sorts – what the department calls its “strategic subject list.”

    CBS 2 [...] sat down with the Chicago Police Department’s top brass to talk about how the list works.

    The strategic subject list uses an algorithm to try to predict who is most likely to be involved in a shooting – either as the shooter or victim – by analyzing data such as gang affiliations, criminal records, past shootings, and previous contact with police. Police use the data to reach out to individuals on the strategic subject list to try to get them help before a shooting occurs. The list includes about 1,500 people, who police have said are responsible for the majority of gun violence in Chicago.
So a secret police list, with no oversight that we can locate, has added nearly 200 names to it in just the past month. That's some real KGB or Stasi-type stuff. Lewin even admits the secrecy:
  • So how does someone get on the list?

    “We don’t give out the specific list of variables, but it’s things like subject’s trendline in criminal activity,” Lewin said. “One of the highlights of this model is that it does not use race, gender, ethnicity, or geography.”
:::cough cough bullshit cough cough:::

So why not release it? Or subject it to an ACLU overview? Maybe the DOJ? We imagine that the reason is that regardless of what the deputy chief says, the numbers would be more reflective of the HeyJackass.com charts than any supposed "neutrality" of Lewin's algorithm.

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156 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Police use the data to reach out to individuals on the strategic subject list to try to get them help before a shooting occurs."

You mean, like, toss them on the hood everytime you see them and make it so nobody on the whole block can breathe until you get some guns?

Yeah, right. Not anymore. And so...

How you gonna "get help" for like a 50-year-old hardhead A&O? Come ON.

6/02/2016 12:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So how many lives on the SSL have been saved by police reaching out to them?

6/02/2016 12:11:00 AM  
Anonymous TOP SECRET said...

93.6% of those on the "SSL list" are of Scandinavian ancestry.

6/02/2016 12:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Publish The List?". While your at it Eddie publish the list of people that were given the lieutenant test answers prior to the exam. Summer is here and it's getting serious so time to move the shit up and out. Btw fuck Rahm the rat chewing away at our hard earned pension.

6/02/2016 12:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As the police, you can view the list yourself.

6/02/2016 12:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A list can't be published because I honestly believe it isn't accurate. It's been used for what, 3 years now? So is it updated every year? I mean we do have over 150,000 gang members. A average of 2000-3000 people shot a year and 450 killings the last 3 years has to screw the numbers some how. Are some of the people in jail right now? If an experiment was done and LE followed each person on the list for one average summer day how many shootings would happen? 16 or only 2? None? Are white people on the list? Gays? Cincinnati zoo gorillas?

We need answers dammit!















Am I on the list!!? 😳😳😱

6/02/2016 12:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Any good cop could come up with a list almost identical to this without using a computer. This has to be one of idiot mcarthys ideas. Hey Ed here's an idea anything that started under mcarthy get rid of. Half of your problems would be solved.

6/02/2016 12:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The list sound like Rahm's Code of Silence; never to be explained to the public. Sort of like the Mystery of Immaculate Conception! Stay Fetal, Stay Fetal; Chicago Values! Baby"G"

6/02/2016 12:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually, the list should be shrinking not growing as everyday there are fewer people on it. So when the list shrinks to zero, Chicago will be homicide free.

6/02/2016 12:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rumor has it that those high on the "list" get invited to a several day and night session, or interrogation, in the basement of Homan Square. Information obtained during these sessions can also be cause to add names to the list.

6/02/2016 12:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Saw the WTTW panel discussion with Lewin; Carol (I made up the story about the missing 86 minutes of the Laquan McDonald shooting video conspiracy) Marin; and two others. OMG, if Lewin isn't 'Gary' from VEEP! Biting his lip and screwing his face in agony. He has all the algorithms and data; if only he knew what a bad guy looked like, what handcuffs are for, and what that big building at 26th and California does. However, if you're saying the we re-discovered that "today's victim is tomorrow's offender" than you just may have remembered the first thing your FTO taught you about police work!

6/02/2016 12:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wouldn't say it goes as far as KGB or Stasi. The makers of those lists were also the reasons people on those lists disappeared. It appears CPD makes the list, watches/waits, then crosses deceased people (or folks) off the list and/or adds them as seen fit. The list does nothing to address the broken culture in which the listees live - more of a roll call of the damned.

6/02/2016 12:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Strategic Subject List, what a steaming pile of horse shit. Even if the police were able to accurately identify who is most likely to be shot or do a shooting, what can the police do with that information? The police can't follow 1500 people 24 hours a day for being assholes. The police can't even follow one person for that.

6/02/2016 12:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The algorithm is racist.

6/02/2016 12:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When we used to force the Trap information I got hammered in court because they thought we were picking on him and singling him out personally and of course not guilty and a lawsuit. I swear this department will never learn

6/02/2016 12:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sounds like the Dept is PRE-JUDGING people here.

Pre-judging? Pre-judging? PREJUDICE!
Uh-oh!!! Sounds like people's rights are being violated here. Are juveniles on that list too? Hmmm

6/02/2016 12:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Someone assaulting multiple people, selling drugs, involved in a criminal gang, performing armed robberies, etc.? Don't matter what color he is, he (or she) is headed to a bad end.

I bet the problem is the list looks a lot like the race distribution of the shooting and homicide victims, approximately 70% black, 25% hispanic, and the balance white or asian.

Publish the algorithm? Unless they do something stupid like assign points by race, it isn't racist, just inconvenient.

Facts may be inconvenient, but the facts aren't racist.

6/02/2016 12:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are these the same people that the police went to their residences to warn them that they were likely to meet a bad end?

6/02/2016 12:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I bet 90% of them have been in jail, and if the ridiculous Illinois sentencing system had not released them incredibly early, they would still be in jail. In jail, getting reformed, or at least not immediately re-offending.

SAFELY IN JAIL!!! Safer for them, and a damned sight safer for the neighborhoods!

6/02/2016 12:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That sound you hear is that of shysters salivating.

6/02/2016 01:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Algorithm?

Good Gawd...
It's the reconstitution of the muleshit
that started when boy blunder Ron Huberman
began his artfully crafted ascension as a
CPD rising star.

Algorithm?

The problem is that all of these smarter
than everybody else never been The Police
Whiz-Kids are so convinced that their almighty
algorithms are smarter than any collection
of grumpy old Coppers with their out-moded
files, maps, colored push pins and hard-knock
knowledge that is the sum of knowing the habits
of these vicious street criminals.

We called it "Wild Kingdom Policing"
asnd it was better than anything Marlin Perkins
or Mutual of Omaha put on...

Knowing your beat.
Knowing every dirty swing-dick and hang-tit on your beat.
Knowing where they get their mail/where their P.O. does
a bed check at.
Where Momma/Granny/Auntie lives.
Knowing who fucked/is fucking whom.
(And sometimes casting a jaundiced eye at the
dirty bastards running the corner stores)

Et Cetera
&c...

But all of that was before Police manpower
and institutional knowledge was intentionally
destroyed.

You used to have time to sorta roll around
on the beat and make m/fers "stand for attendance"
so to speak.

And the m/fers who broke and ran?
They had to keep running...
>Grin!<

The best was finally putting hands on a deserving
asshole and seeing the look on his face when he finds
out you have a nice fistful of sworn complaints for
stupid shit he's done...

"TURN-KEY! Ain't my prints clear yet?"

"Oh.. You didn't know? Your ass is gonna be on that
Blue Bird goin' to County in the morning.
How thick you want dat 'loney for your sammich?"

Shit was under control when The Policeman
bossed his beat and the supervisors were
confident and assured enough not to walk
on the back of good Policemen's shoes.

No need for an Algorithm.
Just proper staffing,
proper mindset, mutual respect and collaboration.

6/02/2016 01:10:00 AM  
Anonymous IN THE KNOW said...

Don't you think "the List" would be a HUGE target for discrimination posturing and "targeting minorities" and "perpetuating the focus on non-white criminals"?

Instead of looking at it as a crime-fighting "tool" or anything "accurate", the media, the ACLU, and all the other "whiners" would protest and make that List look like some other "prejudiced-based" tactic that would be placed right next to Burge's crank-up "electrical confession getter" as another "endemic problem within CPD".

How many lawsuits would be filed by "john Doe" asking - "hey, why am I on that List?"

If there is ANY positive to publishing the List, I think the negatives outweigh it.

Then again, I am not part of CPD or City of Chicago "Leadership".




6/02/2016 01:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Better idea. If they are on parole, follow them until they mess up, and violate their parole.
Put them back in prison and they will live longer.
Maybe without any new holes where they are not supposed to be.

6/02/2016 01:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Perry F'ing Mason said...

Publishing "a List"?

Sounds like an invitation to many lawsuits - especially in THIS town.

Doesn't matter if it is "accurate".

Next case.

6/02/2016 01:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

While you are at it please publish the Lt's list. Thank you

6/02/2016 01:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't worry about the carnage being inflicted on the City because we have the magical list that predicted to an amazing 80% accuracy rate who would be a victim or a perpetrator. We got it all under control! According to HJ that should mean over 1200 listed individuals are either taking a dirt nap or have been perforated so far this year! I hate to say it but they sound a lot like snake oil salesman. I do hope they have something else up their sleeve or this magic show is kind of a flop. At least freshen the act up a little, maybe next time pull a rabbit out of a hat or something.

6/02/2016 02:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a police officer... Which we all are we should keep this list in house. SCC, you are starting to think too much like a lawyer and reporter than a cop. Use your head with this one, keep it in house.

6/02/2016 03:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lewin is one creepy looking dude. Almost as creepy as Ralph Price.

6/02/2016 03:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Every shit-head "hangin out" on the west side should be on the list... there ya go, no algorithm bullshit needed.

6/02/2016 03:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i think my ex-wife is on that list.

6/02/2016 04:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Well, it sounds McCarthyish; using stats and data?

I still say, whatever McCarthy was doing, it was working... Shit hit the fan on the streets when Rahm used him as a scapegoat.

6/02/2016 05:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shouldn't the list be decreasing with each incremental tick up on heyjackass?

6/02/2016 05:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Me thinks Eddie is talking about the Lt s list. A whole bunch of criminal activity connected to CPDs promotional lists.

6/02/2016 05:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Revolversaurus (ret) said...

How is that algorithm going to be skewed and otherwise manipulated into worthlessness to include at least 50.1% Caucasian before it is released to the public? If and when the list is made public will SeeBS news blur the names and or areas the names come from? Does this alleged "algorithm " even exist? Crystal Ball Unit 2.0. Anyone who has been to an actual college (unlike Shitcago State or Malcolm Ten) knows how to and can observe the massaging of data. So let's see this algorithm, ok media? Let's see which bird cage liner will jump on it first. Perhaps those with a modicum of "journalistic" integrity i.e "The Reader" or "The Onion" could step up?

6/02/2016 05:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The SSL is race, gender and geography neutral. It is based entirely on behaviors - criminal history, victimization, age at first arrest, etc. Are the majority of people male minorities living where the crime occurs? Well fucking duh! Who engages in the risky behaviors?

Who are we supposed to create interventions for - the hipsters in 14? The yuppies in 19? The working stiffs in 008? Come on, this is an attempt to find those that create the problems and get them to change their violence driving behavior. It's not going to be a list of middle aged city workers in 16, white or otherwise.

6/02/2016 05:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Liberal Dreamer said...

I'm guessing the list is pretty racist. Mostly black and brown people. Kind of like the jails, people being shot, people being murdered, etc. just pure racism. It can't be anything else.

6/02/2016 05:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can we call it "The Usual Suspects List"?

6/02/2016 06:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You can access ssl scores on intranet home page

6/02/2016 06:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

just don't call it 'minority report'. some idiots(or folks) will certainly take it the wrong way.

6/02/2016 06:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shades of the movie- Minority Report with Tom Cruise.

6/02/2016 06:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The crystal ball unit lives!!!!

6/02/2016 06:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why not just follow these people 24/7 until they kill or be killed. Johnny on the spot for an arrest!

6/02/2016 06:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Revolversaurus (ret) said...

OT: Just finished reading this, take a look.
Investors Business Daily: "Best run states are heavily REPUBLICAN"
Spoiler Alert: 9 of the 10 worst states are not Republican.



Stay fiscal.

6/02/2016 06:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We never learn. As much as we hate it, the ACLU will eventually sue for the names on the list.

What will the list show??? Citizens who were only connected to an incident via "word on the street". No evidence, no charges, nothing other than tuner the person was involved.

If that individual would subsequently be "harassed" by the police, then the individual will sue for big money and win.

As much as we hate it, we are the government and must practice equal protection under the law, and a secret list does not

6/02/2016 06:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Data is highly useful when it confirms what the public is encouraged to believe. This particular list will include data which encourages the public to hold unorthodox opinions, and thus it will clearly be suppressed. Additional lists that would never be released to the public include:
1. List of unmarried women most likely to give birth to newborns who are dependent on public aid
2. List of parents most likely to not ensure that their children attend school regularly
3. List of people most likely to engage in fraudulent use of LINK card
4. List of retailers knowingly accepting fraudulent use of LINK card
5. List of neighborhoods most likely to need additional support in clearing snow and garbage from streets

6/02/2016 06:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

But yet they are getting ready to give the media 100 plus videos about Cpd officers doing their jobs for lawyers and black lies movement to bastardized police even more. Who allowed this mayor? Is this the "perfect storm" summer coming manpower low, police feeling as fbi director honestly states the " Ferguson effect" whatever happens elected you have the means to prevent this but yet you don't! Pathetic please God bless our police amen.

6/02/2016 06:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What good is the list? Has its existence reduced violent crime? If the people on the list are so dangerous, why are they walking among us? Show me your papers. KGB time. Give me names, addresses and locations.

6/02/2016 06:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I bet 90% of them have been in jail, and if the ridiculous Illinois sentencing system had not released them incredibly early, they would still be in jail. In jail, getting reformed, or at least not immediately re-offending.

SAFELY IN JAIL!!! Safer for them, and a damned sight safer for the neighborhoods!

6/02/2016 12:59:00 AM

You are most likely correct in this, but the progressive faction of this city, that is liberal whites and liberal blacks just don't care. Their take on this and right now they are in control, is that there are too many black and brown in jail. The other half of their argument, and I have heard it often, is that long prison sentences are counter-productive. They point to university studies on this. But, the university studies do not focus on the most violent, but all crimes. I have to agree, that we need more residential drug treatment facilities, both inside and outside of jails. We need more legitimate job training programs, and I don't mean the phony ones set up by the political class in order to rake in money in pay and benefits for themselves ( shades of Gov. Quinn and the missing 90 million). Something substantial needs to be done. Lock up the sociopath shooters for a long time and get rehab, job training and mental health services for the rest. You cannot arrest your way out of this.

6/02/2016 07:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The list? Watch this mark furman and the great sheriff David Clarke on the Kelly file talking about rahm Obama hometown violence Megan Kelly show 6/1/2016 wow:

https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2016/06/01/megyn-kelly-hosts-mark-fuhrman-analyze-inner-city-violence/210669

6/02/2016 07:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Honestly does anyone know if there's a white dude in the top 500?

6/02/2016 07:30:00 AM  
Blogger The Keesing Bandit said...

Does Lewin still walk around HQ with a Taser? Does he still own a hockey stick?

Now, kees me you fool!!!!

6/02/2016 07:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

loved Lewin repeatedly saying "its not a list" on chicago tonight....only wish Marin had asked why then was it was named strategic subject list....not that Lewin could find a player without an algorithm...

6/02/2016 07:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I figured it out already.
violent crimes when the box checked gang related that person jumps on the list.
It is not even a new program, ask them to name it!

The other is if you have been shot, shot at,carjacked, selling drugs or seem to be injured alot.

He can keep that list secret it is worthless. just think of all the females with order of protection HOWS THAT WORKING OUT?

6/02/2016 07:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Old Time Math said...

If 80% of the 600 yearly murder victims are on the list, how many years will it be before the list is exhausted?

Feel free to use scratch paper for this one.

For extra credit: If 80% of the 80% were visited by the 80% of commanders promoted by 30% merit, would gene williams still get his retirement star?

6/02/2016 07:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ladies and gentleman pay no attention to the carnage, savagery and mayhem being unleashed on our fair city and be assured that I have a magical list of 1300, I mean 1400, no wait 1500 people that are the root of all of our problems. We have this under control!

Sounds like they got this list thing down pat, that is a big accomplishment considering the paper shortage and all. I think we should have a parade!

6/02/2016 07:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1500? Thats it? We've got it licked. All we have to do is switch from our zone defense to man-to-man.

6/02/2016 07:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So it's really NOT poverty which causes crime? There are many more than 1500 poor people. The great sociologists were wrong??????????

6/02/2016 07:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The following appears in today's Chicago Tribune, quoting Ronal Serpas, former superintendent/chief of NOLA PD, Washington State Police, and Nashville PD, who implemented SSLs in NOLA and Nashville. He cites citizen buy-in and publishing of the list, save some details, as keys to its success:
http://www.gazettextra.com/20160601/esther_cepeda_effective_policing_takes_more_than_an_algorithm

6/02/2016 07:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

why don't you invite everyone on "the list" to one of the lighthouses for a banging hip hop super cool rap gangster bitches and hoes party and then sink the dingy?

6/02/2016 07:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What about the 1500+ that are already in county? Are they on any type of list?

6/02/2016 08:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The 2 shot in 024 in the last 48 hours were not on the list. These slackers need to get on the ball (Crystal Ball that is).I do not see them on the Heyjackass.com map either.

6/02/2016 08:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I smell another huge lawsuit coming via the ACLU. The dept better erase all of this data quickly before it gets published under FOIA.

6/02/2016 08:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"""" Police use the data to reach out to individuals on the strategic subject list to try to get them help before a shooting occurs. The list includes about 1,500 people, who police have said are responsible for the majority of gun violence in Chicago.""""

They have really lost their minds havnt they?

6/02/2016 08:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is some funny shit!!! I can't stop laughing but I do agree: the report should be renamed: "the usual suspects" or "the minorty report"...😀😀👍🏾👍🏾🔫🔫😎😎

6/02/2016 08:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The reason they probably don't want it released is that even if it didn't use race demographics it's likely that it certainly would appear to do such and then you'd have protestors etc. wigging out at city hall.

6/02/2016 08:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shades of the movie- Minority Report with Tom Cruise.
*****************************************************

You beat me to it. "Minority" Report....literally. Predictive Analysis. Why is it if the department does it then it's okay but if we do "Predictive Analysis" it's "Profiling"? Oh I forgot they are using "The Microsoft Cloud" and Calculus. I'm just doing good police work.

6/02/2016 08:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's a great idea! Why not create an algorithm to detect the "Probable cheats" on promotional exams. Hell, I can do it with paper and a pencil! Imagine what a computer could accomplish in flushing the shit out of the command of the CPD!

6/02/2016 09:00:00 AM  
Anonymous countenance said...

Data driven law enforcement is how we do racial profiling without actually doing racial profiling, to give the cops plausible deniability. However, it is already starting that the civil rights talking heads are whining about the disparate impact of data.

You see, even though the people wrote this algorithm go out of their way to say that it doesn't include race as a factor, and it probably actually doesn't, everyone reading these words knows that a totally dispassionate color blind analysis of race is going to turn out way many more 16-year old N'Deshantaviouses than 85-year old Emmas.

It is said here that services have to be offered to the some 1500 individuals on this list. Such as .... ?

6/02/2016 09:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Total racism, the ACLU should be all over this. Are they just trying to give away our money.

6/02/2016 09:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

making a list, checking it twice, going to find out who's naughty or nice, chalky is coming to town.

6/02/2016 09:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I heard "The List" Could be renamed "The Black List" because there is a disproportionate, 95%, people of color on the list. This screams of racism. Will the ACLU please investigate this shameful paper.

6/02/2016 09:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The "List" is void of diversity. It won't be released until at least 2400 folks of least colour can be added.

There's also a high probability that Merit was used to pad the list with under qualified thugs.
For example:
I know a guy, who knows a guy who used to be a low level independent street corner slinger, got his Jordan stuck on a chain link fence by the empty lot next to the liquor stow during a foot chase. When the 5-oh caught'em they say he's totin' 17 guns, 3 pounds of weed and a fortie-ouncer. Next thing you know, on paper, he's the high level founding leader of some off cast hood crew.
Dat ain't right.

Big mouth bass Lyin' Ed is willing to say anything to the obtuse media and he's yet to back up a single statement.

6/02/2016 09:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lewin: oh , please don't give us that Bulls88t!

6/02/2016 09:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who cares
It's obvious that Easy Eddie don't know what he's doing
He didn't even want the spot
Now what
Who cares

6/02/2016 09:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

These are the same people that don't understand how to be the police. I'm talking about knocking on doors, interviewing suspects or witnesses. Putting pressure on an area where the crime is; that pressure keeps the assholes on their toes. Doing proper follow ups and using all the resources at you disposal to keep these fucks looking over their shoulders. What we have, coppers like these crystal ball fucks looking in their computers and picking out names. I would bet the unit putting this info together are 90% house cats that never did any police work. Someone should get these house cats on the street and see really what the fuck is happening. Lastly, why the list is not being make public? I'll bet most of the people on that list are black and that's what the ACLU would call profiling. I've got a couple of years left and during that short time, you will not see this ranger doing anything. Fuck the hole system I don't care anymore.

6/02/2016 09:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lists,a prediction unit, input from the reverends,yada yada yada. Police work is dead in this city it will never be as it was yrs ago. The mayhem will continue because of the way police are treated in this city /country. Packs of shitheads roaming the Northside committing crimes they are getting what the Southside has for yrs. This fuckin city is doomed. The new superintendent is a tool. Stay fetal

6/02/2016 10:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

“One of the highlights of this model is that it does not use race, gender, ethnicity, or geography.”

Perfect, so the SSL list is bias-free. Here's an idea. Since the average law-abiding, working stiff is much more likely to be a victim of a robbery, burglary, or theft, then why doesn't the department create predictive algorithms for these crimes? Let's say the department actually wants to prevent people from being robbed in Lakeview, Wrigleyville, Boystown, Lincoln Park, etc. Can't the public be provided with a statistical description of the most-likely offender to victimize them? I mean, after all, algorithms aren't biased and neither are computers. So whatever the results, we should accept them as fact. Just as the police can't use unreliable "hunches" to stop people, citizens shouldn't have to rely on hunches either when figuring out if the person walking towards them is about to pull out a gun and demand their property. Even the most commonly-worn clothes by offenders could be predicted.

Just like sports are utilizing metrics and algorithms to evaluate and predict athletic performance and success, so should crime fighting. Provide your citizens with as much mathematically-verified information as available so that they can take the appropriate measures to prevent becoming victims.

6/02/2016 10:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for clearing this up SCC. We here on the second watch in 022 thought that the SSL stood for the "super sandwich list".

6/02/2016 10:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

May be a good idea to make the list public. The General Assembly should require registration and public disclosure of hardcore gangbangers like they do convicted sex offenders. Who presents a greater risk to neighbors - the guy who fondled his niece 10 years ago or the guy who draws stray bullets through provocative youtube videos?

6/02/2016 10:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Special prosecutor for Jason copper that prevented drug crazed arm thug from murdering or maiming an innocent person the media machine in full anti-police propaganda motion:

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/06/02/judge-agrees-to-appoint-special-prosecutor-in-laquan-mcdonald-murder-case/?utm_source=mobile&utm_medium=text-messaging&utm_campaign=text-messaging

Look at the picture the thug as usual in graduation gown how can Jason get a jury that has not followed the constant attack on him and police everywhere. Any copper knows full well like the girl charged coppers in Baltimore wrongly and coppers being properly found not guilty, this murder charge was done to placate groups bent on destroying the city! Fairness for innocence in chiraq? Hardly! Jason if you read this blog believe me prayers being sent your way! Your family was threatened by the thug groups, yet the Cpd boss gold stars club don't see the brother hood and "innocent unless proven guilty" you should have police protection on your family and yourself brother new superintendent same old routine! I personally drive past your residence it's the least I can do!

Now for the Monday morning quarterbacks by the grace of God go us! The FBI director Comey well respected talks about the "Ferguson effect" we here practice the "Chicago effect" May almighty God protect CPD this coming summer. SCC spirits of the air thank you for the tireless work on this #1 blog!!

6/02/2016 10:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dart always cries about how much it costs to keep offenders in jail. What is the cost compared to link, Obama phone, obamacare, repeated court costs, hospital costs for victims, police man hours for investigations etc?

6/02/2016 10:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The TSA has a similar program to put people on their "no fly list". Anyone can be put on it even accidentally. Hard to get off the list.

6/02/2016 10:48:00 AM  
Blogger Cuthbert J. Twillie said...

Why do I get the feeling that this "Strategic Subject List" is about as accurate as Chicago Voter Rolls, to wit: Once you're on it, you're there to stay, even if you get whacked by a fellow **justice involved strategic subject individual**. Whew, now THAT's a mouthful, try saying that 10 ten times really fast. LOL.

Though it's 'prolly' a lot easier to keep on voting after you're dead than it is to keep on committing assorted felonies and shooting at people, and or folk. Though this is Chicago and we know the Dead keep voting. So heck, anything can happen. :-)

Also, maybe it's just me but I already miss the good old days when convicted felons were called Convicted Felons, ex-cons were called Ex-Cons, not called 'justice involved individuals'. And violent career criminals were called Violent Career Criminals, and not 'Strategic Subjects'.

The fact is that this Orwellian Newspeak just doesn't cut it, words still have meanings to me.

6/02/2016 10:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Titanic had a list that kept getting bigger

6/02/2016 11:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hope the list meets DOJ requirements of matching the existing population lest it be RACIST

6/02/2016 11:16:00 AM  
Anonymous DaveL said...

Why is there a "Strategic Subject List?" Because you can't profile criminals. "Profiling" is racist and wrong, but call it an "algorithm" and now it's trendy, techy, and scientifical. Similarly, you can't talk about people as "known criminals" or "likely criminals", because people cry foul about Constitutional Rights and the Presumption of Innocence. Make it about "gun violence", however, and the standard of review magically switches from "Constitutional Rights" to "If It Saves Even One Life".

6/02/2016 11:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Next thing you know some fambly will sue because the POPO knew the aspiring brain surgeons life was at risk and they didn't do enough to keep him safe, coincidentally he would have just started to turn his life around the same day killed!

6/02/2016 11:38:00 AM  
Blogger grunt said...

On 26 st. the witch doctor can predict the same or better for 20 bucks

6/02/2016 12:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think my Mom and Dad are on it....or were, since they're deceased; maybe that info could be added to their gravestones?

6/02/2016 12:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Talking about grabbing at straws when you got nothing,but at least an effort is being made to prevent or deter crime,you know like in the movies ,futuristic robots preventing crime before it happens cool secret squirrel stuff,in the mean time words will explain the purpose of this and time will tell it doesn't work and we all have to pay for another stupid idea,how about reverends extend to the community hope,love,compassion and respect for your fellow brother,we are all animals but we are the only animal not killing for necessity,critics will criticize,and the public will film and record every movement without extending a helping hand,and the police are in the middle of the mess!

6/02/2016 12:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about sending everyone on the list high powered ammo and a coupon for shooting classes. They will take care of the rest.

6/02/2016 12:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


As a police officer... Which we all are we should keep this list in house. SCC, you are starting to think too much like a lawyer and reporter than a cop. Use your head with this one, keep it in house.
6/02/2016 03:15:00 AM



NO! It sounds like you've been drinking the kool-aid. Call the Dept on this and every instance of bullshit. They're about to handover every car and body camera footage without any arguments in the spirit of transparency. So let's be totally transparent and publish the list so we can open up a discussion about this magnificent crime fighting tool.

6/02/2016 12:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bill O'Reilly is calling for Tiny Dancer to Resign over gun violence!

Gorilla In The Midst...Of Madness

As you surely know, officials at the Cincinnati Zoo shot and killed Harambe the gorilla Saturday. They had absolutely no choice after a 3-year-old boy fell into Harambe's pen and was in mortal danger.

But as you may not know, 69 human beings were shot in Chicago over the three-day Memorial Day weekend. Six of them died.

There has been plenty of hand-wringing about Harambe the loveable ape. Americans flooded Facebook and Twitter, many expressing deep disgust at the zookeepers and the toddler's parents.

Have you noticed a similar outcry about Chicago, where some young men spent Memorial Day weekend being memorialized?
Of course not....

The killings in Chicago are beyond infuriating, they are an outrage against humanity and decency and morality.

So forget about Harambe, the deceased 450-pound gorilla. As one of The Factor guests pithily reminded everyone, 'We've got a gorilla in Chicago, and the gorilla in Chicago is violence.'

Unlike officials in other cities, Chicago politicians and police have been unwilling or unable to slay that metaphorical gorilla. The time has come for new leadership, beginning with the ultra-incompetent mayor.

So why not do the right thing, Mayor Emanuel? Your good pals at Goldman Sachs have a plush leather seat waiting for you. We hear the hours are good and the pay is extravagant. Beyond that, you'll be doing a huge favor to the good people of Chicago.

Read more at: http://www.billoreilly.com/b/Gorilla-In-The-Midst...Of-Madness/-967685727258276005.html

6/02/2016 01:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here is the algorithm
1 gun + 10 bullets + "you be disrespect'in me"= dead body
Dead body / cousins - play cousins = real cousins retaliation
Real cousins retaliation + 1440 minutes + gun = opertunity
Opertunity + real cousin - judgement + lifestyle * gangster glorification = dead body
Dead body * 364 days = murder total

6/02/2016 01:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

McCarthyism 2.0 . . . Guess the Bible was true about there being nothing new under the sun. Thanks to this neighborly cultural exchange, does this mean I'll be able to get a decent pizza when I go to La Crosse in August?

6/02/2016 01:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They have made the algorithm politically correct by taking out the variable of "address of residence". They were worried that it would highlight areas of the city where people are more prone to get shot (or shoot). That is a very important variable as a teen walking down the street at Harlem/Devon is LESS likely to get shot then one walking at Cicero/Quincy.

6/02/2016 01:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's a hit list created at the dark hole site!! All personnel involved in the creation of this list haven't been seen since it's release....Of course there is a secret copy at the northside home of recently retired ringleader the evil Lt ONE N........AAAAHHHH

6/02/2016 02:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why not use the list to create a reality tv show, kind of like The Running Man.

Every week put 10 of the folks on the list in 6 square block area in a neighborhood that is due for some gentrification (shouldn't be too hard to find one of those on the south or west side), enclose that area with an electrified fence manned at intervals by armed guards and then have the contestants kill their way out of it, using weapons that they find by employing a scavenger hunt.

I'd watch.

6/02/2016 02:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Escalante really jumped the shark, not only drank the kool aid, think he makes it.
At the end of compstat he is talking about a 15 year old that was killed in a car. The driver of the car, a 28 yr old documented gang member was driving with this girl at 0130hrs. He talks about how the night before the gang banger was stopped , arrested and his car impounded. Then the very next night he is driving again and this 15 yr old gets murdered. His point was see, we need to be proactive and go after these guys. Well mother fucker we did!!! So you want us to profile every piece of shit? He made no mention of the fact this 15yr olds families responsibility. Or how about the courts doing something? Nope we need to be proactive!
Well how about you clean up your backyard before you shit in ours.
It was disgusting to listen to!!!

6/02/2016 02:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Saw Deputy Chief Lewin doing an interview with Carol Marin on Chicago Tonight. Another total lackluster administrator who could not even give a rebuttal to the goof ACLU rep sitting on the panel with him. Kept repeating the same lines from his rehearsed script while chewing his lip with this very uncomfortable and almost constipated grimace on his face. Uninspiring to say the least. The whole premise of a computer program reducing crime is ridiculous. You don't need a algorithms or NASA computers to figure out that people who are involved in illegal gang/drug activity and all those associated directly or indirectly with them are at higher risk of being involved in violent homicides. Yet again, the city will waste money on a program like this instead of hiring the adequate manpower needed to combat and control the criminal element. All this program does is warn those on "the list" that they are in danger of being another gunshot victim. Guess the geniuses at HQ can't figure out these gang bangers and their buddies already know this and accept it as part of doing business selling illegal drugs. In fact, they get promoted for taking a bullet! (if they survive)

6/02/2016 02:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Once everybody on the list has been murdered Chicago will be a peaceful place again.

6/02/2016 02:58:00 PM  
Blogger 011 2nd Watch DOG said...

You can keep that list because it would interfere with my iPad watching, video game playing and 19P'ing all day. It's relax time, stay fetal my friends.
765B

6/02/2016 03:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fkn stupid....what is this minority report.

6/02/2016 03:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Back in the 80s when they were filming a lot in Chicago, the Hollywood worry warts made us take our top ten pictures down. They put up their own (made up) top ten. Can anyone guess why?

That's why they will never release "the list".

6/02/2016 03:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Publish the list.

They have no problem publishing coppers personal information, CR#'s, salary etc.

6/02/2016 04:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Stay Fetal
those 1400 career criminals have rights
poor honor roll students ran on LSD to save lady struck by a vehicle
believe it , they would not lie
Skyway is still for sale if you want to invest

6/02/2016 04:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is rahm's name on that list?

6/02/2016 04:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hmmmmm.......

I can remember that "keeping" "making" a database/list was a big no-no in the department .....wasn't that idea created by the infamous "red squad in the late sixties...

Wasn't there the secret building known as building 39 or squad 13...maybe the name red squad....I can't recall this memory as it was a washed from my mind after I was forced to eat peyote, then kidnapped......held in a cell forced to listen to "Andy Griffith Sings" eating potato salad....wonder bread and black coffee (standard food issue back in the day......you could get a unfiltered smoke, Camel, Pall Mall if you were nice with the lockup officer)..

It was made up of personnel from Vice, IAD, and inspectors....all cigar smokers....

Man on the old list.....ahhhh the lack of memory........

Prince Valium

6/02/2016 05:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Freedom of information act should be used to gain access to list, because top cpd and Rahm know these people are on it. They have been profiled. Mayor has to go. Culture of corruption from Rahm down to head of cpd.

6/02/2016 05:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is Madigan on the list ?

6/02/2016 05:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I heard Sgt's got list of assignment today where is everyone going? Please post if anyone and about Lt's

6/02/2016 05:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As someday it may happen that a victim will be found

I've got a little list. I've got a little list.

Of society offenders who will soon be underground

Unless the shooter missed. He'll probably be missed.

6/02/2016 06:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Congrats to the sergeants that were placed in districts today, to those of you that went to places that "weren't available" you're blow jobs.

6/02/2016 06:32:00 PM  
Blogger Johnny said...

>>try to get them help before a shooting occurs... Get them help? Like what, keep them behind bars? That would keep down the shooting. Therapy as though they are mental patients? It always makes me a little crazy the way they will not admit that the real purpose of criminal law is to punish, and the real purpose of the police is to deter by force or the threat of force. If the threat of force is unnecessary then the police are not needed.

6/02/2016 06:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, it sounds McCarthyish; using stats and data?

I still say, whatever McCarthy was doing, it was working... Shit hit the fan on the streets when Rahm used him as a scapegoat.

6/02/2016 05:03:00 AM

Yeah. My hero. What kind of dope you smokin'?

6/02/2016 06:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In other news, Shields won his lawsuit against the FOP.

6/02/2016 07:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mike Shields won his lawsuit against Lodge 7, many things revealed on how he was wronged.

6/02/2016 07:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey media lice. Start asking for a racial break down of the algorithm like you print for everything else. I would venture to say its black 95% and the rest a crap shoot. Start pressing on this one because it seems to be racial profiling. Hey no beefing on the new Sup yet by the regular beefers,fr phaker,JJ and the rest of the phony rev's and alter creatures. They got there guy ,now live with it no matter the crime rate.

6/02/2016 08:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Take a life insurance policy out on each one. Pension problem solved.

6/02/2016 09:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the program was so good, leave the department and trade the indexes with it. You could do better than this job with that.

6/02/2016 09:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Algorithms AlGoreOrithim, The problem lies in the homicide free zones of the city indicated on the heyjackass map. Here the liberal minds penetrate the deep reaches of space and fund and hatch most of the problems. Roving gangs should have equal opportunities to walk the streets there as well. Perhaps funding some relocation programs and providing scholarships to DePaul would be a good start.

6/02/2016 09:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Look over here first trial results in city the taxpayers winning, but what judge shopping maybe now the taxpayers pay:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-police-shooting-lawsuit-settlement-met-20160602-story.html

The bottom feeders lawyers are licking their chops waiting for the "data dump" police on propaganda parade to start tomorrow, how many cleared coppers will be entangled? Fetal leads to comatose! Not worth the risk for ungrateful officials!

6/02/2016 09:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I heard "The List" Could be renamed "The Black List" because there is a disproportionate, 95%, people of color on the list. This screams of racism. Will the ACLU please investigate this shameful paper.
6/02/2016 09:20:00 AM"


Better not piss Raymond Reddington off, he might sic Mr. Kaplan on you.....

6/02/2016 10:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is Madigan on the list ?
6/02/2016 05:40:00 PM


If only......

6/02/2016 10:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is rahm's name on that list?
6/02/2016 04:50:00 PM


If only.....

6/02/2016 10:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Once everybody on the list has been murdered Chicago will be a peaceful place again.
6/02/2016 02:58:00 PM


You'll need a bigger list.





Chalkie

6/02/2016 10:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Gran Torino said...

I'm sure that list has the criminal element on the streets shaking in there shoes. Is it just me or did anyone notice that silver back gorrilla that had that little boy took center stage to the 69 people shot over memorial weekend.

6/02/2016 10:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Was this guy on NYPD list?

Why would this asshat say that the victims husband was wrong?

Beat him to death with tire iron

part of the risk one takes

http://nypost.com/2016/06/02/nypd-chief-gets-why-husband-killed-wifes-would-be-rapist/

6/02/2016 10:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about lists of test cheaters?

6/02/2016 10:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How many Swedes on the list?

Just axin

6/02/2016 11:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The list can "thin the herd" by itself.

6/02/2016 11:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

6/02/2016 06:49:00 AM:

"We never learn. As much as we hate it, the ACLU will eventually sue for the names on the list."

Good. Give it to them.


"What will the list show??? Citizens who were only connected to an incident via "word on the street". No evidence, no charges, nothing other than tuner the person was involved."

So what? It doesn't matter how a given name got onto the list.


"If that individual would subsequently be "harassed" by the police, then the individual will sue for big money and win."


Not gonna happen, IF those on the list are treated exactly as everyone else is. Exactly meaning just that. No unequal attention by law enforcement.


"As much as we hate it, we are the government and must practice equal protection under the law, and a secret list does not"

Being on this list has what to do with 'equal protection?'

Not a fucking thing.

So some mook is on a list, so what? Not an indicator of any type of special, and thus potentially unequal, treatment.

As long as no 'unequal treatment', including protective, is applied to said mooks, the list is rendered moot.

6/02/2016 11:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just because the algorithm is "neutral" doesn't mean that the demographics of the victim-offenders will be.

6/02/2016 11:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here is the algorithm
1 gun + 10 bullets + "you be disrespect'in me"= dead body
Dead body / cousins - play cousins = real cousins retaliation
Real cousins retaliation + 1440 minutes + gun = opertunity
Opertunity + real cousin - judgement + lifestyle * gangster glorification = dead body
Dead body * 364 days = murder total


Thank you for the laughs -- best post on this ridiculousness I've read so far. Whip smart and funny as hell! Had to share with fellow coppers.

6/03/2016 12:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here is the algorithm
1 gun + 10 bullets + "you be disrespect'in me"= dead body
Dead body / cousins - play cousins = real cousins retaliation
Real cousins retaliation + 1440 minutes + gun = opertunity
Opertunity + real cousin - judgement + lifestyle * gangster glorification = dead body
Dead body * 364 days = murder total

GENIUS!

6/03/2016 12:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One can compile a list "Most likely to commit offenses list" with using racial parameters. Just do a CHRIS search for those with arrests for UUW, Agg Assault, Battery, PCS,etc.

You will get the numbers you need.

While it may make sense to know who the bad players are, the question becomes :What are you going to do about them? What is needed is for the States' Attorneys and the judges to hold them accountable on each subsequent arrest.

A UUW arrest and on parole?? Violate his ass. One could still plea deal on this. Take a 3 month violation inside or we go to trial on the new charges and you go back to prison and serve out the rest of your time on the old sentences.

And there is no way that this list should ever be mentioned in public. That's stupid.

But then, look at what is running this city and state.

6/03/2016 12:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, it sounds McCarthyish; using stats and data?

I still say, whatever McCarthy was doing, it was working... Shit hit the fan on the streets when Rahm used him as a scapegoat.

6/02/2016 05:03:00 AM

Yeah. My hero. What kind of dope you smokin'?

6/02/2016 06:48:00 PM

McCarthy is part of the reason we are doing ISR's, his push to get contact cards. All Mcnumbnuts did was lie and hide crime with bullshit stats

6/03/2016 12:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There should be a list Of names of 3000 new police officers hired. That will cancel out the list of shitbags who may be dying or killing.

6/03/2016 12:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Stupid is as stupid does
gee what can u replace stupid with ?

6/03/2016 12:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where is the ACLU When you need them ? They need to demand that list immediately to ensure that the list is not racist. There must not be more blacks on that list than whites or Hispanics. If there are is it is by its very nature de facto racist. Speaking of that I have been told by a very good source that the vast majority of shooting victims / offenders are justice involved individuals. I certainly home that Obamas justice department is looking into that obvious racist situation. Perhaps Loevy & Loevy can file a lawsuit on behalf of the Black community in general
Seeking a monetary award for that over represented community in the " shooter and shooter" category.

6/03/2016 01:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"...citizens shouldn't have to rely on hunches either when figuring out if the person walking towards them is about to pull out a gun and demand their property. Even the most commonly-worn clothes by offenders could be predicted.

"Just like sports are utilizing metrics and algorithms to evaluate and predict athletic performance and success, so should crime fighting. Provide your citizens with as much mathematically-verified information as available so that they can take the appropriate measures to prevent becoming victims."

6/02/2016 10:08:00 AM

Aw, s__t. Everyone already knows the odds. It had to be thirty years ago that one of the TV networks did a giant guilt-trip "social experiment," setting up cameras to catch people avoiding and shying away from young black men on the street, then running after them with microphones held out to ask "Why did you do that?"

Didn't Dan Rather get beaten up once himself? >snicker<

6/03/2016 01:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not CPD anymore I did pretty good in real estate I'd be happy to offer 2k to any of these guys. For a insurance policy on them, it could be a new flourishing business for Cpd. Insurance on the guys most likely to get killed on the list in your district. would pay off much better than deferred comp. by the way all you guys invested highly in deferred comp be very careful .

6/03/2016 03:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Escalante really jumped the shark, not only drank the kool aid, think he makes it.
At the end of compstat he is talking about a 15 year old that was killed in a car. The driver of the car, a 28 yr old documented gang member was driving with this girl at 0130hrs. He talks about how the night before the gang banger was stopped , arrested and his car impounded. Then the very next night he is driving again and this 15 yr old gets murdered. His point was see, we need to be proactive and go after these guys. Well mother fucker we did!!! So you want us to profile every piece of shit? He made no mention of the fact this 15yr olds families responsibility. Or how about the courts doing something? Nope we need to be proactive!
Well how about you clean up your backyard before you shit in ours.
It was disgusting to listen to!!!

I totally get your point , and my question , after the Mother went on about moving from the city due to the violence is why was your daughter out at that hour with a 28yr old in the first place ?

6/03/2016 04:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Well, it sounds McCarthyish; using stats and data?

I still say, whatever McCarthy was doing, it was working... Shit hit the fan on the streets when Rahm used him as a scapegoat.

6/02/2016 05:03:00 AM


When McCarthy got canned, it was like a huge black lifted off the Department. He was an angry, egomaniacal clown and he didn't have a clue. Garry didn't bring one ounce of smarts to this city and there isn't a man or woman I have talked to on this job that didn't think he was poison.

If you liked him, you didn't have a lot of company.




6/03/2016 05:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Denizen2211 said...

Lawyers Tip-Toeing 'around' ...P R O F I L I N G . Undertakers' marketing LIST!

6/03/2016 05:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I heard the Asians are suing under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act because none of them made the list.

6/03/2016 08:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If we ISR everyone on the list AND get an event#,while on our body worn camera and in car camera , murders will magically go down to ZERO . Isn't that how it works ?

6/03/2016 08:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is it me or does J-FED look better and better every day? (notwithstanding Cozy)

6/03/2016 08:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What is the racial breakdown of the list I wonder?

6/03/2016 08:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Racial profiling is only cool when well-intended libs make the lists.

Otherwise, it's racism.

6/03/2016 09:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Anonymous Anonymous said...
6/02/2016 06:49:00 AM:

"We never learn. As much as we hate it, the ACLU will eventually sue for the names on the list."

Good. Give it to them.


"What will the list show??? Citizens who were only connected to an incident via "word on the street". No evidence, no charges, nothing other than tuner the person was involved."

So what? It doesn't matter how a given name got onto the list.


"If that individual would subsequently be "harassed" by the police, then the individual will sue for big money and win."


Not gonna happen, IF those on the list are treated exactly as everyone else is. Exactly meaning just that. No unequal attention by law enforcement.


"As much as we hate it, we are the government and must practice equal protection under the law, and a secret list does not"

Being on this list has what to do with 'equal protection?'

Not a fucking thing.

So some mook is on a list, so what? Not an indicator of any type of special, and thus potentially unequal, treatment.

As long as no 'unequal treatment', including protective, is applied to said mooks, the list is rendered moot.

6/02/2016 11:16:00 PM

Indeed...

Let being on the business end of "moot"
be the fate of all these mis-mothered,
non self-soothing, no impulse control
having m/fers on this list...

"You Cops need more sensitivity training.
Your hostility and lack of care and concern
toward the community is concerning!"

>Pfffft!<

Our care and concern thingy ceased working
30-some years ago.

Heh...
"Moot..."
That's a very apt turn of phrase.

6/03/2016 11:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Being on this list has what to do with 'equal protection?'

Not a fucking thing.

So some mook is on a list, so what? Not an indicator of any type of special, and thus potentially unequal, treatment.

As long as no 'unequal treatment', including protective, is applied to said mooks, the list is rendered moot.

Please take a time machine to 21st policing and leave the 1950's behind. You are thinking as a police officer and not as a citizen. There is no doubt you can justify this list IF YOU LOOK AT IT AS A POLICE OFFICER. But, it is not police officers that will pass judgement in court. It is citizens on the street.

This list is ASKING for lawsuits. When they come down, those who came up with this stupid idea will be long retired and you will be left holding the bag.

6/03/2016 04:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There are calls from civil rights groups now to get their hands on that list. They want to know how people get on the list and what it takes to get off the list and who sees the list.

6/03/2016 05:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
How about lists of test cheaters?

6/02/2016 10:47:00 PM

You mean like Mrs. Wysinger and Eddie's fiancé Nakia????

6/03/2016 06:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is it me or does J-FED look better and better every day? (notwithstanding Cozy)

6/03/2016 08:42:00 AM


Believe me when I tell you that it truly is just you.

6/03/2016 10:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Next thing you know some fambly will sue because the POPO knew the aspiring brain surgeons life was at risk and they didn't do enough to keep him safe, coincidentally he would have just started to turn his life around the same day killed!"

6/02/2016 11:38:00 AM

"You KNEW this gonna go down. He was on yo list an you din lock his a__up 'fore he got shot!"

Aw, f__k. Here comes the People's Law Project...

6/04/2016 06:58:00 PM  

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