Same Old Story
- Coming off a violent Memorial Day weekend, Chicago police Superintendent Eddie Johnson stuck to familiar themes in a speech Tuesday to the City Club of Chicago, bemoaning the senselessness of all the shootings, the department's fractured relationship with the community and the broken judicial system that is too much a revolving door for the most dangerous criminals.
Johnson also lamented a gang culture that sinks its hooks into youngsters in Chicago's most dangerous neighborhoods "almost at birth," he said.
"So by the time they're 12, their destiny is set," he told a few hundred civic leaders. "It's either prison or death."
So what's the solution? We allegedly know who the perpetrators are:
- Since Mayor Rahm Emanuel named him superintendent in a surprise move in March, Johnson has been emphasizing that the department knows who the violent offenders are but needs the help of the criminal justice system to keep them locked up for longer periods.
To that point, he later told reporters that fully four-fifths of the 69 shooting victims over the Memorial Day weekend were on the "strategic subject list" — a list of about 1,400 known gang members believed to be most prone to violence, compiled by the department using a computerized algorithm. Six died of their injuries.
80% of the maimed were on this list? And six died? So that should translate into some sort of reduction in violent crime, yes? Or are the associates of these maimed and killed individuals plotting further mayhem in acts of revenge?
And what of the 20% who weren't on the list? Or are they now taking up spots on the "list" of violence prone subjects since they have a motive for avenging themselves?
And what portion were just innocent people?
And what of the 20% who weren't on the list? Or are they now taking up spots on the "list" of violence prone subjects since they have a motive for avenging themselves?
And what portion were just innocent people?
Labels: crime
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
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Nothing from the media on North Ave Beach from this weekend, huh?! Some visitors fleeing from it because they were appalled and called it a zoo.
the "killed" percentage was a real let down.
So many of the thugs are taking each other out, some in a very permanent way. This seems like it is all to the good. The thugs are doing the job that the justice system will not do.
SCC wonders:
"80% of the maimed were on this list?"
Shit...
We called it "civic improvements"
back in the day.
So what is he supposed to say?
"There is a LOT of shootings because this city is out-of-F'ing-control and the leaders-that-be can't figure out how to stop it."
OR-
"They CAN figure out how to stop it, but they don't want to put out the "REAL Police (po-leece) on the street. They don't want to offend anyone."
He could have just said, "It is what it is." or some other hip response.
Who cares anymore?
Political leadership in Chicago is a disgrace. The "civic leadership" and journalistic "intelligentsia" won't admit to that, but the common people see it clearly.
A Gorilla is put down in only 10 minutes because he grabbed a kid (who shouldn't have been there with him in the first place).
Someone made a tough decision.
Unfortunately, no one is making tough decisions in Chicago.
"... Johnson has been emphasizing that the department knows who the violent offenders are but needs the help of the criminal justice system to keep them locked up for longer periods."
But according to Prickwinkle, there are "too many black & brown people in jail".
Maybe warehousing them in prisons for their own safety IS a good idea.
May be someone should teach the thugs how to shoot?
It would clean up the streets. It might also save the innocent caught in the crossfire.
And if they were ruthless enough, maybe there would be no one to recruit the next generation.
Maybe the children could grow up free of the gangs?
He's making a list, and checking it twice, gonna find out who's naughty or nice, Superintendent Johnson is coming to town. He knows when you are sleeping, He knows when your awake, He knows if you been bad or good so be good for goodness sake.
With over 1530 shot this year and using the 80% that Johnson say's that are on the list,that makes 1224 listed individuals shot. Did they run out of paper when they made said list?
Of course its the same old song and dance; do you really think it's going to change? Have we not said no matter who the top cop is, things won't change. City Hall doesn't get it that the issues are systemic and home? There are no jobs here, people and businesses that are fed up are leaving; and innocent people will continued to get caught in the cross-fire.
Springfield still can't get a budget pass. I hope the people of Illinois vote the rest of those Demo-crooks out in the fall.
I wonder how much it cost to have that list made. I think they left a zero or two off the total!
The solution is to raise rents, cut benefits, and swing wrecking balls/redevelop.
The solution starts at the very top when the presidential office goes Trump hopefully it funnels down "law and order" simple concept hard for liberal pandering elected to understand or implement. Jails need to be at capacity criminal justice system needs total overhaul, thugs need long sentences, lastly Trump said awhile ago "people on welfare want to be off welfare and need to work" let's hope like during the depression we had no work no check policy, they rebuilt infrastructure and create infrastructure to tired to commit crimes would make them feel needed. Then massive deportation building a wall economy would improve vastly when illegal invaders are forced out, as a bonus these diseases they are spreading would be eradicated! " obey the laws" that's where it starts. Lastly hire hire hire coppers say at least 3,000!
Citizen here
I don't believe this business about the silly list.
It sounds absurd.
If it's real, then publish it so we all know who they are.
There aren't any HIPPA rights with regard to shooters...right?
"We/taxpayers" have to pay for their recovery if they are shot. Once they're arrested, we have to pay for their trial and stay in prison. Shouldn't we know who they are in advance?
The black superintendent profiled. He has developed a list which is predominantly black and hispanic and allegedly said that by the time subjects are 12 their lot is cast.
I agree, but because I'm white, I'ld be hung out to dry for making the same statement.
Make the list of approx. 1500 offenders wear body cameras along with every alderman, mayor, deputies, state reps, state senator, fireman, cook county commissioners, and on and on.
Innocent victim numbers? Let me guess---maybe one?
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
Sounds like the 1400 were profiled.
70 shot? I hope that the officers were in their box...
that list is a bunch of crap...it just repackages what the troops on the street know....and who doesn't love some asshat in HQ telling you bad guys are bad.
how many shot/killed by police? I guess that's why no #BLM signs to be seen!
"So by the time they're 12, their destiny is set," he told a few hundred civic leaders. "It's either prison or death."
OK, so if their destiny is fixed, why not just spend $0.30 on a shell instead of $30,000 on 3 hots and a cot?
04th of July weekend. Can you say "wheeeeeeeeeeeeee" ?
What are the demographics of the list, it better be 1/3rd African American, 1/3 white, and 1/3rd Hispanic, otherwise it would be racist right?
"[Johnson]told reporters that fully four-fifths of the 69 shooting victims over the Memorial Day weekend were on the "strategic subject list" — a list of about 1,400 known gang members believed to be most prone to violence, compiled by the department using a computerized algorithm."
Algorithm.
So the weekend was a disaster on the streets and in the ambulances and emergency rooms and lockups and morgue, but a great success for Big Data.
I see.
Here comes the next DOJ investigation -- THE ALGORITHMS ARE RACIST!
http://fusion.net/story/305241/algorithm-targets-black-people/
Etc.
They will set teams of computer scientists to investigating this -- while the mindless shooting continues.
Sounds like the Super is blowing smoke up peoples ass. Doesn't He know second hand smoke is hazardous to your health?
Chicago's Gold Coast the new battlefield, it would seem.
Shots fired at car on Lake Shore Drive in Gold Coast
Jone 1, 2016
"Someone fired gunshots at a car on Lake Shore Drive on the Near North Side early Wednesday, according to police.
"About 2:10 a.m. in the Gold Coast neighborhood, a 22-year-old man was driving north in the 1200 block of North Lake Shore Drive when a dark SUV pulled up and a passenger fired shots at him, said Officer Laura Amezaga, a police spokeswoman.
"The man’s car was damaged, but no one was hurt in the shooting..."
...this time.
What must they be saying in the penthouses on Astor Street?
"The solution is to raise rents, cut benefits, and swing wrecking balls/redevelop."
6/01/2016 06:00:00 AM
Real estate speculators have kind of a one-track mind, don't they?
Funny I have not seen this list in the Detective Division.
May be a house mouse at HQ monitors every arrest in the city and checks the person off when they are shot or killed.
still no video of the LSD case just pictures of a bunch of asses stalking about.
And yes it is still no classified as a homicide that would mean the other witness was not believed.
Perhaps Rahm can sponsor a class on how to shoot straight - the result would be less innocents getting shot and more people removed from the strategic list, this reducing crime
Not only is North ave Beach A Zoo but the Gold Coast and Lincoln Park is a Sea of Shit heads driving around looking for parking throwing diapers out the window harassing citizens,A lot of resident's won't go out for fear of getting mugged.
Just like Groundhog Day. You can have a police presence on every block in certain neighborhoods. Nothing changes! No family structure, no education beyond 8th grade, no truth in sentencing, be fear in authority or religion. Lost in America!
Algorithms, that's the answer, Algorithms! They are actually paying cry babies at headquarters, who are avoiding working the streets to stay at H.Q. and "Map" algorithms as the answer to all of these homicides. In reality the self-serving officers behind all of this are hiding out until they can be promoted to Detective. Meanwhile, if you ask them they will tell you they have the answers. Algorithms. Baby"G"
What Johnson failed to mention that it's not neighborhood that drove these hids to gangs, it's their gangbanger parents wo raise them to hate the police, disrespect authority and promote the gang culture.
You need to look at TJ Sotomayor on Youtube. Here is a black guy who does not pull any punches on this issue he puts the blame where it properly belongs.
https://sotomayortv.com/
How about better parenting that's a foreign concept in that particular community! Have the police been hiring rapidly in chiraq? Why not order mr rahm 3-4,000 coppers hired? take laterals (Like they really want this Chicago shit sandwich rahm you created), How about keeping the animals locked up? How about escorting toni out of her office, but then again hope she gets a front seat on the federal bus when Trump (God willing) takes office and a forensic audit is done.
When you think not that many years ago we did not have cellphones, internet,cable tv look at the excessive tax money trillions in tax profits, population shrinking what is the Illinois/Chicago is broke theft? Is there to much pandering to illegal invaders and the welfare link card takers? Of course there is right mayor and the 50 sheep? Why also is cryptic madigan still in office?
The only way to combat crime is for Chicago Police officers to attend Procedural Justice training part 2 so they can fully de-police and exacerbate the homicide/shooting rate in Chicago.
How come nobody is asking Eddie about the Lie-Tenant exam scam.
You know the one where his fiancé Nakia Fenner is prominently involved in?
Eddie if it really is all about rebuilding trust then you should start with what's right in front of you everyday: the Lie-Tenant exam scam.
Until you address this blatant exam scam in a meaningful way you will have neither my respect or trust.
Your fiancé is completely out of touch with police work and has no business being a Lt., much less the occasional W.O.L.
Baltimore, though not experiencing as many shootings as Chiraq, also saw its deadliest month of May since 1999:
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/bs-md-memorial-day-homicides-20150525-story.html
"Baltmoristan"??
"Baltabaddabad"??
"Baltraq"??
It's just like "the wire"
It never ends..
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The solution starts at the very top when the presidential office goes Trump hopefully it funnels down "law and order" simple concept hard for liberal pandering elected to understand or implement. Jails need to be at capacity criminal justice system needs total overhaul, thugs need long sentences, lastly Trump said awhile ago "people on welfare want to be off welfare and need to work" let's hope like during the depression we had no work no check policy, they rebuilt infrastructure and create infrastructure to tired to commit crimes would make them feel needed. Then massive deportation building a wall economy would improve vastly when illegal invaders are forced out, as a bonus these diseases they are spreading would be eradicated! " obey the laws" that's where it starts. Lastly hire hire hire coppers say at least 3,000!
6/01/2016 06:19:00 AM
Agreed son is a doctor told me seeing many old vaccinated against diseases reappearing the border is wide open we will most likely be involved in identifying the illegal immigration violators and helping the new law and order government remove them watched on the record with greata all about the Trumps completely open the entire family what a refreshing look at real Americans who will occupy the White House and bring dignity back to America! Trumps beautiful wife Melinia said she came to USA on a green card obtained legal citizenship and loves America, now when we finally deport and have a real border and the White House let's us enforce the law that will be "change we can believe in!" Think if pathetic Hillary gets in this country will never recover, she is hanging with thugs moms who attempted to kill police officers but by the grace of God officers did their jobs and went home!
"So, when your kid is born, will he already be on parole?" -40 Year Old Virgin
Citizen here
I don't believe this business about the silly list.
It sounds absurd.
If it's real, then publish it so we all know who they are.
There aren't any HIPPA rights with regard to shooters...right?
"We/taxpayers" have to pay for their recovery if they are shot. Once they're arrested, we have to pay for their trial and stay in prison. Shouldn't we know who they are in advance?
6/01/2016 06:45:00 AM
The list is real. If they put out a list of people who are identified as being more likely to be a victim or offender in a violent crime, they'd be facing so many lawsuits they wouldn't know what to do. Imagine if you are one of the very few who had a checkered past of multiple violent crimes and actually turned your life around and hit the straight and narrow. Now you're on a list as someone who's likely to shoot someone. You'd sue in a second if that list was made public. Now imagine you're someone who never committed a violent crime, but you've been the victim of 4 or 5 shootings. You're on the list. Hello lawsuit. You can't just put out a list and label everyone a potential shooting offender based on their history. It has nothing to do with HIPAA, so I have no idea why you even mentioned that. As for the part about paying for their stays in prison, this is Cook County... no one STAYS in prison.
But does he call out the parents of the roving band of shitheads attempting to arm rob the couple on Lake Shore Drive? Then chasing and
going after them until the poor couple gets hit by a truck? Does he ask who the phuck is raising these kids and teaching them any values? Where is father faker asking these questions of his congregation? Each and every one of them is wearing nice, hip clothing.....wonder where the money for that came from....and those pictures are so clear that these shitheads should be identified by their mothers and their neighbors by high noon today....but will they be? And I will not be blaming the victims here, for being out at the lakefront, late at night, in what is supposed to be a world-class city....we should ALL be safe in this city to walk out at midnight without fear of a roving band of shitheads shoving guns in our faces, chasing us down like animals.
Unless, and until, the media and the politicians start calling this shit out for what it is, this city will continue to deteriorate until every law abiding citizen and taxpayer moves the hell out. Obama and Holder and Lynch and Jarrett all have money and bodyguards.....they wouldn't live in this hell hole for all the IPhones in China...but they sure keep spouting their bull shit out. And wait until the next move by Julian Castro, Obama's housing chief....and they start moving the shitheads into All neighborhoods.....since they need to be "less white".
So stay safe out there, my brothers and sisters......protect each other, protect your self and your families.....
Every time I see or listen to the Supt. he makes the case that he is in way over his head. There is no controlling the out of control blacks and browns. The violence needs to be curtailed when they are babies. That means they are raised in an a home with love and respect. The first words they learn should not be muthafucker or fuck the police. They need loving parents, so why won't someone with a little authority in the neighborhoods say this. Could they be afraid of the very thugs that run the hoods?
Is it safe to say at this point that Eddie Johnson, a minority is merely a lightening rod for Tiny Dancer? I think of the Soprano's and how Uncle Junior (Eddie Johnson) is put into place to take the heat off of Tony Soprano (Rahm). Tiny Dancer is obviously smarter than Johnson in my opinion!
I saw where Eddie wants his brass to meet with the thugs and oxygen thiefs for "circles of peace"
Seriously Eddie? What the hell were you drinking or smoking at your holiday BBQ?
Doesn't Eddie remember how miserably JFled failed by meeting with them and warning them to "knock it off"?
Apparently "the community" is happy though because now it's a black face spewing this ridiculous bullshit,
Reasons for shootings:
Black children do not have fathers (married to mothers in the home, providing for their families, in case you have forgotten what "fathers" means.) This is not only condoned, but encouraged and rewarded by a government that is insane.
Black children are not taught to respect human life, because whatever persons they live with and grow up with do not respect human life either. No, buying a Tshirt with your dead baby's picture on it does not count.
Black children have no supervision, at home or in school. The teachers will drag them out of the classroom to march for higher wages, however.
Black children are not taught to respect the law, or law enforcement officers. On the contrary, they are taught that whatever conflict they are in, it is the fault of "whites, or police."
Go ahead. Keep shooting at each other. Chicago has turned into a disgusting cesspool. I am glad I live in another state.
Oh boy Eddie still another shooting on LSD Lake shore drive:
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/06/01/another-lake-shore-drive-shooting-may-shootings-murders-increase-over-2015/
First what over 20 on Chicago expressways now how many on lake shore drive? Real policing is gone unfortunately the elected including rahm have caused this, along with the pandering media attacking police everywhere and every time they can 24/7. How many times can you beat a police officer and bastardized them before they wave the white flag (is that racist?) and go into self preservation mode? We are to coin Barry Obama word acting stupidly, no more smart police will survive collect a pension stay healthy sorry boss show me how it's done!
If shootings keep pace with last month we will have over 1500 listed people either perforated or 6 feet under using the 80% model touted by the Super. I guess with only 1400 people on said list happy days are just around the corner. How about we have a parade?
Eddie Johnson is right on. These hoodlums start assaulting the kids and the parents at birth and people get mad when people say racism plays a part in their destruction, too!
C C W
It's gonna happen this summer don't want to be the test case but an M/1 is gonna get center massed shot dead and his "crew" is gonna run after the second one gets rounds .....Then what Eddie????
Black children are not taught to respect the law, or law enforcement officers. On the contrary, they are taught that whatever conflict they are in, it is the fault of "whites, or police."
Go ahead. Keep shooting at each other. Chicago has turned into a disgusting cesspool. I am glad I live in another state.
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Sir, you said it all. Your words are gospel and the powers to be and the alleged community leaders would never repeat your factual words. The rats will never ever take responsibility for their actions. Father' day will again be a day of mass confusion in the hood.
Good move sir in getting out of dodge city.
Just keep that shit on the South and West sides where it belongs. Lincoln park is ok too.
Any vri in 008 on beat 813 by say 5600 s keeler where 16 year old shot and killed broad daylight, come on Eddie this is the trifecta 3 murder in about a month same area 58 year old father shot and killed having dinner inside his home, another shot and killed down the street, within a mile of each other are residents up in arms, calling alderman and rahm about not enough police? Bet because they are mostly Hispanic and not black the racist department does not care!
Eddie and McCarthy together in a Tribune photo today (01Jun16) along with a pic of the trash left at North Ave Beach...
Sorry to say but Eddie even in uniform does not command respect. Overweight, too old and sorry to say, simply a dumb looking screw.
And what a shame North Ave Beach was left in following Memorial Day.
"You need to look at TJ Sotomayor on Youtube. Here is a black guy who does not pull any punches on this issue he puts the blame where it properly belongs."
6/01/2016 10:08:00 AM
Here we see "black privilege" in action. Remember when Bill Cosby was more or less set forth to us all as the moral spokesman of the "community?" He was the one allowed to "espouse goodness, family values," etc. by virtue of his blackness. Ah, well, that particular act is over.
Q. Why can't there be a "white guy who does not pull any punches on this issue?"
A. Because he will be marked out as a "racist."
"The list is real. If they put out a list of people who are identified as being more likely to be a victim or offender in a violent crime, they'd be facing so many lawsuits they wouldn't know what to do."
6/01/2016 12:39:00 PM
...so somebody FOIA it and we'll see what kind of a s__tstorm gets started! >grin<
This whole "victim or offender" slant on the thing drives me nuts. Has that "public health problem" social-worker smell about it, huh? Breaks down to who sees who first on the corner, who gets whose strap out first, that's about it.
"...son is a doctor [who] told me [he's] seeing many old vaccinated-against diseases reappearing...the border is wide open..."
6/01/2016 11:51:00 AM
Big measles outbreak down there now in those "detention centers" -- and remember that sudden hit of "norovirus" or whatever it was that suddenly went though our schools? Polio is making a comeback, too. We are already having horrible, microcephalic Zika-virus births here; wait until the Rio Olympics gets tens of thousands of people infected and then jets them back all around the world. 150 prominent doctors, experts, specialists signed a letter to the World Health Organization begging them to call this Olympics off, and they won't do it -- big, big money here for the IOC and their corporate buddies.
...and we don't even know where our meat comes from anymore -- did you notice they got the labeling rule eliminated? I have to get another grinder so I'm at least not buying part of a homogeneous 100,000-pound batch from six different countries that someone sneezed in along the way...
Gah.
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