Cook County "Justice"
Amazing:
- Keep sticking your neck out
Charges have been dropped against a man accused of battering an off-duty police officer who intervened in a Wrigleyville street disturbance on June 22. The officer was rendered unconscious in the attack.
One count of felony aggravated battery to a police officer against 29-year-old Tremaine Wilson was tossed out with a finding of no probable cause by Cook County Judge Marvin Luckman. The state then dropped a lesser charge of reckless conduct, according to court records.
We can debate the wisdom of taking any sort of police action (aside from dialing 9-1-1) all day long. But this just reinforces the feeling that not a single entity has our backs.
Labels: from the comments, un-fucking-believable
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
96 Comments:
And now bosses starting to pluck up the courage to ask for ISRs or get kicked off your beat !
Which do they fuking want "beat integrity/familiarity" or just numbers again which got us in this mess !
Im surprised at Luckman.
The state's attorney's office can still indict the case and let a grand jury decide if there is probable cause. Are Alvarez and her underlings willing to take this very simple step?
Many judges are quite liberal and anti-police. So, such decisions are not unexpected. It is safer to just stay ultra fetal. Your efforts at pro-active policing will not be appreciated and may even be used against you.
Stun the phone lines for Judge Marvin Luckman...call and call and call and call...jam the lines...don't be sheep...be fox's. We owe it to a moral and ethical society. Stir the pot.
What about the fact T.D.'s shooter just got released Scott free? Shoot an officer in the head and NOTHING! I'm still boiling over this.
It's getting to the point that, if no one is killed, no harm, no foul.
And murder MIGHT get you charged with a misdemeanor.
Moron just dial 911 no one gives a shit about you.
Anyone who has ever been to felony court at Belmont/Western has a story about that senile judge, known as "Let em' go Luckman." If his actions didn't have such serious repercussions it would be funny. The media, if they actually cared, could do an unbelievable expose on his courtroom antics. But like I said, IF they actually cared. A very significant amount of Chicago crime stats, including murders could be traced back and attributed to his release of guilty defendants that were released based upon his limited mental capacity and unbelievable bench antics.
Yeah, about that judge, he's almost 90 yrs old and for years could not hear!!! We need to rebuttal, it is outrageous what took place. Better cameras are needed in that corner too, a pod camera. Quality video is necessary as we have Wrigley is a busy area and cops working do not to be anyone's punching bag. We need to request the indictment. It is all too crazy.
when I was a teenager an officer told me that shoe salesmen don sell shoes for free on their off time. And he doesnt do police work on his for free..
The officer is kind of lucky Things could have been worse..Be safe out there
Luckman your 179 years old go away.
At this point, I feel like I wanna blame the coppers who are getting hurt or getting in trouble for being proactive
This should surprise anyone-- if you are CPD you are the bad guy or gal.
What.
The.
Hell.
And yet we still are chasing and being proactive as those we do it for laugh and fuck us at every chance they get.
They are sending a message loud and clear, don't get involved. Something happened to the poor citizen who got stabbed helping the woman on the bus.
Also be careful looking for offenders in yards with locked privacy fences. Someone got a CL/CR number saying we didn't have a warrant to look in the yard. She had a home security camera. I guess she would rather criminals get away from Police.
This place is backwards!
Anyone that's been in Branch 42 has probably been victimized by that senile Judge Luckman. He's been heard to say that he'll never find probable cause for battery to a p.o. The guy is 100 years old and a police hater from the 60's. Take it to the bank.
Democrats, what else is needed to be said.
Just stay fetal. Probably a crooked ass judge. Typical County government.
"Let 'em go" Luckman is way overdue for retirement. This type of ruling more than illustrates that.
Luckman once told me "taking a punch is part of the job". Fuckin POS
Luckman is a flaming liberal senile old man whose claim to fame, besides rarely finding probable cause, is being the cousin of Bears QB Sid Luckman. I imagine that's how he got the appointment originally.
Keep voting Democratic.
It works!!! LMAO...
Luckman has always been an asshole criminal sympathizer. Used to yell at p.o.'s and baby the shit heads when he was in br. 43
Luckman is a political hack. This arrogant sob has been on the bench for more then 40 years and he has always followed his political orders. He is 1 of the many reasons this county is so corrupt. He should have retired 10 years ago, but he is to much of an arrogant tool.
And yet you will still have officers take action when they are off duty. When the only police action they need to take is dial 911 and report the crime. Some officers are just fools; their self inflated ego governs their actions.
This is bullshit you can not attack a person like this yet alone a police officer!.
this is why our city's are going to hell. In the old days you used to tune up the shit birds now you go to jail for it. you are right no body has your back.
Thank You for the work you do for me. And BE SAFE!!.
I'm still wondering what ever happened to the copper that got punched in the eye during the Black Lies Matter bullshit?
Did he ever fully recover?
Judge Luckman is the poster boy for what is wrong in this City. Everyone knows he is senile and crazy and not fair. Yet to get him vote out? All but impossible. I will try though next election.
So, the judge is a pos and the ASA is a bigger pos.
Who knows why the judge dropped the agg batt but the asa?
Why would you drop the lesser charge?
Two pieces of garbage in the justice system.
Lesson learned to that officer.
He will Never do anything to protect anyone again, except his family.
Here's to a speedy recovery (actually take your time, No One in the criminal justice cares about you except your partner and more than a few brothers that wear blue)
Look every one knows certain laws have a disparate impact on minorities and thus should not be enforced ... Some of these laws are homcide .... Assualt... Robbery .... Well what the fuck why dick around all laws have a disparate impact on minorities ... And they and liberal's get really pissed when you enforce or attempt to enforce them ... So give them the policing they want "..as long as no productive citizens are involved ... Answer the call ... Check all the boxes ... Move on .... Let evolution work it out... * YAWN*
Stupid is as stupid does!
I'm not surprised. Luckman has always been an ass. Let's see if Anita steps out.
You guys can beef about "Let em go Luckman", but what about "No Crime Stein"? I remember sitting in court at a attempt murder case he was presiding over in which the victim was a Chicago Police Officer. He found the defendant not guilty. The kicker was when he said in his ruling, and I quote, "I know the defendant is guilty but he's such a nice guy, I just cannot convict him". It was then that I realized that my life was meaningless to these people.
Luckman got me sued federally, because of no PC, on a misdemeanor guy already plead guilty to than changed his mind. Fuck the piece of shit.
On what grounds?
FOP???? Gonna do nothing as usual????
I once had had Luckman throw out a PCS arrest after we found rocks on a guy in the processing room. We locked him up for a warrant. Luckman said he didn't believe anyone would be dumb enough to bring drugs into a police facility. He needs to retire, he can't even hear most of the time.
This citizen appreciates coppers intervening on their time off. Whether a PO or civilian, it is only right to help someone else out if you have the skills and ability....The judge needs to go -->>is there something that can be done about his blatant "no probable" cause dismissals, when there was clearly probable cause? I would think there is some sort of action that can be taken by a group showing he is not doing his job and continues to put the community and officers' lives at risk.
Exactly SCC. Call 911 and move on.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
And yet you will still have officers take action when they are off duty. When the only police action they need to take is dial 911 and report the crime. Some officers are just fools; their self inflated ego governs their actions.
7/04/2016 02:48:00 AM
Some are fools.
Some also want to do what's right.
Anonymous said...
And now bosses starting to pluck up the courage to ask for ISRs or get kicked off your beat !
Which do they fuking want "beat integrity/familiarity" or just numbers again which got us in this mess !
7/04/2016 12:07:00 AM
Kicked off your beat!
The horror! Who cares? Let them give everyone a different beat every day. It won't change anything.
nonymous said...
Anyone who has ever been to felony court at Belmont/Western has a story about that senile judge, known as "Let em' go Luckman." If his actions didn't have such serious repercussions it would be funny. The media, if they actually cared, could do an unbelievable expose on his courtroom antics. But like I said, IF they actually cared. A very significant amount of Chicago crime stats, including murders could be traced back and attributed to his release of guilty defendants that were released based upon his limited mental capacity and unbelievable bench antics.
7/04/2016 12:35:00 AM
Yes, you hit the nail on the head, " If the media actually cared". I made the mistake of talking to reporters once or twice when i was on the job. What they printed was far from what I told them. It seems they only want what is sensational and shocking or something attacking the low hanging fruit, the police. I would not even talk to a reporter. They lie and try to make you look bad. Hell with them
That's why I leave the job at work. I carry no gun or star off duty. Didn't carry anything before this job, so why now? Everybody hates the police..
Wow, I'm shocked, luck man used to be a no nonsense judge when it came to bs against the police
He dismissed a again bat to me once so we went to the grand jury and got an indictment , then bad guy plead.
Judge Peggy would have jailed the fucker. Enough said.
If we know Luckman is a police hating Lib and the ASAs know Luckman is a Police hating Lib, then why was this case NOT sent to the Grand Jury.
Eddie time to speak up for your men and woman.
If the police stop patroling in front of Luckman's house and his street becomes a magnet for drug dealers and prostitution and someone is shot over gang turf, maybe Luckman would change.
Unfuckingbelievable
Its going to uglier around here
Anonymous Anonymous said...
And yet you will still have officers take action when they are off duty. When the only police action they need to take is dial 911 and report the crime. Some officers are just fools; their self inflated ego governs their actions.
7/04/2016 02:48:00 AM
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Blame the victim. Smart.
How about we circle the wagons and support our own, instead?
Someone in the media needs to take this and run with it - but of course that won't occur.
Why do the judges not have term limits (or mandatory retirement). This jerk is part of the problem. In addition to term limits for the mayor....
--No Cop Here
Utterly f--king disgusting!
Will the state take the case to the grand jury?
I'm surprised at Luckman for doing that. He used to be great for signing search warrants. Would stop whatever he was doing to sign one. But he is in his 80s now. he has more than 25 years on the bench and would get maximum pension. maybe it's time to go. He may actually be senile.
There is an election coming up. Remember his name, VOTE HIM OUT OF OFFICE. Hey, DEAN the next time you give a speech about why the Police are not making street stops you can list this as one of the reasons why. If FOP had our best interest, they would take some type of action: Like having a meeting with the Chief Judge and complain. Hold a press conference and explain to the citizens what happens when the Police and common citizens take action. Have organized picketing outside the building where the court is located. The list of injustice against the police goes on and on and no action from FOP. That is what a real union chief would do. Let's face it, Dean can not or will not take any type of action. This also proves that the FOP has no political muscle
Anonymous Anonymous said...
They are sending a message loud and clear, don't get involved. Something happened to the poor citizen who got stabbed helping the woman on the bus.
Also be careful looking for offenders in yards with locked privacy fences. Someone got a CL/CR number saying we didn't have a warrant to look in the yard. She had a home security camera. I guess she would rather criminals get away from Police.
This place is backwards!
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Don't need a warrant if your in hot pursuit. Who takes these CRs?? Were they ever the police?
Judge Marvin Luckman has been on the bench for about 25 years past his expiration date. He's nearly deaf and his judgment id beyond questionable. But Cook County voters keep voting to retain him...
Luckman is that the clown at Belmont/Western? He let all the felony shoplifters ofd with a stern warning the one day I was there - "don't go in that store again" clown
What good are all the sweeps and ginned-up, temporary displays of "manpower" and "Strategic Subject Lists" going to do when serious cases end up before some old fool like this?
So put Tremaine here on the official "list" and let's see how long it takes for the "complex social dynamics" to turn him from offender to victim.
"Don't lock his a__ up so he'll get shot!" says Judge Luckman.
Tremaine will maybe "borrow" money and run around the corner to the dirty little store for a can of "spice" or "bath salts" and not come back like he promised to -- and become the hunted. Just a matter of time...
Think positive thoughts, right?
This case just reiterates the Red Line murder a few weeks ago. The family at the news interview all upset because no other passengers intervened while their family member got slashed to death on the train. Uh, sorry for your loss but this is a good reason why not to intervene off duty.
And where is the Mighty Midgets, FOP, petitioning for this Judges Removal ?
I wonder can lesser charges be placed against an offender, misdemeanor battery? It's weak, but better than nothing.
Honorable Marvin P. Luckman, Circuit Judge
Municipal Department
District 1 - Felony Preliminary Hearings
Branch 42
2452 W. Belmont Ave.
Chicago, Illinois 60618
(773) 404-3316
vs.
Timothy Evans, chief judge of Cook County Circuit Court, has called for a halt to such treatment of defendants who say they can’t afford to hire a lawyer;“The law is crystal clear. Counsel must be made available to the indigent,” said Evans, who recently issued an order condemning the practice of denying free legal help to the poor.
In an interview, Evans said our entire "system of justice” is at stake if the practice continues, as is the freedom of the defendant.
Evans' order came in response to an investigation by the justice system reform group Chicago Appleseed Fund for Justice, which it said found judges refusing to appoint public defenders in cases without a fair review;
Chicago Appleseed attorneys randomly selected courtrooms in Cook County branch court
judges refused to appoint a public defender without holding a compulsory hearing to measure defendants' financial situation
advocates obtained transcripts to help illustrate the problem and forwarded them to Evans
“Defendants were being denied a public defender simply for the fact that they've posted bond,” said Ali Abid, staff attorney with Chicago Appleseed. “It's against the law and a violation of the Sixth Amendment.”
Another judge, Marvin Luckman, who refused to appoint a public defender to represent the homeless man, apparently was not familiar with the recently issued order by Evans
But in an interview, Luckman balked at the suggestion that he failed to follow rules for appointing a public defender.
"I couldn't care less about the transcripts," Luckman said. "I have been a lawyer for over 50 years. I have given public defenders to defendants who are indigent."
THERE IT IS! OBTAIN THE TRANSCRIPTS OF THIS FINDING OF NO PROBABLE CAUSE and lets follow who dropped the ball!
stay fetal
No coincidence this case went to Loser Luckman and not the Honorable Chiampas.
VOTE!! And remember names like Luckman when they are on the Retention Ballot. Vote early or by absentee ballot so you don't have to deal with senile, poorly trained election staff or scurry to the polls before 7:00pm while you deal with work/family/ court, etc. on Election Day.
Why would I call 911? I would assume the City would need to buy me a cell phone and pay monthly for that service. Think about it every time you see a law being broken am I supposed to care.
Eddie is taking calls from ex convicts to calm the HOODs down.
parents are paid to watch their own kids walk to school everyday.
FOP will hassle you if you were working a side gig and get involved. Pay your own lawyer!
And i am supposed to call 911 and wait around for 15 minutes while a beat car with light out strolls by to write a paper report.
If you are one of the many officers who still live in the hood keep your blinders on
EDDIE will strip you and all of a sudden your buddies forget your phone number.
stay FETAl until they hire...
This pos "judge" Luckman needs to be GONE!!!! Off the bench motherfucker. This asswipe offender rendered the ofcr unconscious and STILL the charges are dropped npc? Ok Judgie wudgie you stand there while I cold cock your ass then tell me how you feel when you wake up ok?
Must have been a gang banger. Judge Luckman loves gang bangers. POS
Staying fetal is making me miserable on this job but time after time I am reminded why it is the only logical reaction to this fucked up environment. I love how the Trib is beginning to show quasi-sympathetic police articles. Too late cocksuckers, you roaches opened Pandora's box and still look to demonized us. Let these liberals reap the benefits of their actions. I hope Judge Luckmab is lucky enough to brush shoulders with the criminals he pardons in a dark alley. Don't call the people you hate (the police), you scumbag.
It is time for Judge EVANS to re-assign Judge LUCKMAN to Probate Court at the Civic Center. Next step would be a gold watch, a thank-you pat on the back and a gift card for a free lunch at Manny's.
Locked gates/yard?!?! Isn't there actually a City ordinance or law that states you cannot do that? For first responders, firefighters chime in... anyone know or hear of this
Locked gates/yard?!?! Isn't there actually a City ordinance or law that states you cannot do that? For first responders, firefighters chime in... anyone know or hear of this
Anonymous Anonymous said...
If we know Luckman is a police hating Lib and the ASAs know Luckman is a Police hating Lib, then why was this case NOT sent to the Grand Jury.
Eddie time to speak up for your men and woman.
7/04/2016 09:27:00 AM
Eddies has to check with Jamal Green first before he sticks up for the police.
More like Crook County Justice.
We've got a lot of poor judges in Crook County.
Remember the movie "The Star Chamber" with Michael Douglas? Well, there should be a similar group going after rogue judges like this asswipe who continually let violent predators out after being arrested by the police.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086356/
Fuck that jagoff. Let's that fucker off the bench
"This case just reiterates the Red Line murder a few weeks ago. The family at the news interview all upset because no other passengers intervened while their family member got slashed to death on the train."
7/04/2016 12:15:00 PM
Because they were all law-abiding citizens, scrupulously obeying the "No Guns" stickers, and had enough of a load of their own without taking on someone else's half-intelligible he-say-she-say gone bad, over the train roar and the PA announcements.
"Don't trouble trouble unless trouble troubles you."
"Be quiet, child. We need to get home."
Survival in a hostile environment. Way it is.
"Fambly spokesmen" go crap on the Mayor, the Governor, the Senator, the President. Ask why no old copper with .38 and stick walking the train anymore, givin out appropriate looks, in his worn shoes and old leather jacket?
S--t.
Judge Luckman is absolutely a disgrace. He always lets the State destroy burgalary tools and gives a wink and nod. Out the door they go. And a few of the shitheads know the Judge by name!
As not a cop, I know that intervening can lead to anything from nothing to legal/political problems from the system to life and limb threatening issues from those outside of it....or both. One time I even got a nice formal letter of appreciation from an incident where the two admitted armed youths were let go by the hispanic magistrate.
My resolution after that last one was "if someone is dumb enough to be/live there and not be able to not be a victim, they need be so they can learn". And moved to another planet as soon as I could. In a better world now.
FIDO: Fuck It, Drive On
"Locked gates/yard?!?! Isn't there actually a City ordinance or law that states you cannot do that?"
7/04/2016 03:59:00 PM
"Well, every house nor-mal have a front door and a back door.
"But around here with the humidity, we been having trouble with the hinges."
--D.L. Menard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf0he709d1k
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Locked gates/yard?!?! Isn't there actually a City ordinance or law that states you cannot do that? For first responders, firefighters chime in... anyone know or hear of this
7/04/2016 03:59:00 PM
There IS one against padlock/chain on a gate. A neighbor was cited for it, but beat it at the hearing. I violate that law every day, and I intend to continue doing so.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
VOTE!! And remember names like Luckman when they are on the Retention Ballot. Vote early or by absentee ballot so you don't have to deal with senile, poorly trained election staff or scurry to the polls before 7:00pm while you deal with work/family/ court, etc. on Election Day.
7/04/2016 01:46:00 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
There is an election coming up. Remember his name, VOTE HIM OUT OF OFFICE. Hey, DEAN the next time you give a speech about why the Police are not making street stops you can list this as one of the reasons why. If FOP had our best interest, they would take some type of action: Like having a meeting with the Chief Judge and complain. Hold a press conference and explain to the citizens what happens when the Police and common citizens take action. Have organized picketing outside the building where the court is located. The list of injustice against the police goes on and on and no action from FOP. That is what a real union chief would do. Let's face it, Dean can not or will not take any type of action. This also proves that the FOP has no political muscle
7/04/2016 10:51:00 AM
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Luckman isn't up for retention again until 2018.
Maybe some front page stories could inspire him to retire, but he's there til 2018, otherwise.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Locked gates/yard?!?! Isn't there actually a City ordinance or law that states you cannot do that? For first responders, firefighters chime in... anyone know or hear of this
7/04/2016 03:59:00 PM
No. You can have a locked gate that prevents access from outside, but not one that prevents someone from exiting. That way you're allowed to secure your property without endangering lives in the case of a fire or other emergency. I would advise anyone with a locking gate to think twice about using it. Police aren't as quick to jump over fences anymore. If your gate is locked, there's a good chance the police are stopping right there. If the police or fire department need to break into a locked yard to get access to you when you need help, you may not get the help you need in time. I guess you have to weigh the odds on whether you will need police or fire against how secure your property needs to be.
Well now, here's your problem right here...
http://www.illinoisjudges.net/
Notice anything that sticks out about that list?
There was a whopping SIXTY-THREE Democrats and only FOUR Republicans who ran for judge.
To say that the Democratic voters in this town are stupid would be a severe understatement.
Think about it...
The average Democrat worships abnormality. Season this abnormality with a massive dose of stupidity and you have the perfect storm. Democrats think that simple things like having a photo ID are beyond the intellectual prowess of their constituents. Democrats are not even smart enough to look at themselves in a mirror and figure out which bathroom they belong in.
The New Democrat prototype (the illegal alien) needs to be trained not to murder, rape, and pillage.
And now there's some insane expectation that these morons will ever have it together enough to step up to being contributing members of society?? ...let alone tend to their personal responsibilities??
Face it... this country is screwed.
From a father of a rather normal Chicago family that doesn't commit crime, my apologies to the police officers that saw their work wasted on this, and my outrage to the judge who can't possibly share with us a set of values that would create a livable, fair city. Releasing this "man" sets him free on all of us, young and old. And when he revisits you, it will be for an even worse crime - i hope your sense of right and wrong resets itself in that moment, because your calibration is way off right now...
It's really simple. Whenever you find yourself in front of a judge like him, don't testify, get selective memory, or just give the bare minimum testimony. Who cares if the judge tosses the case. Get paid and move on.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Judge Marvin Luckman has been on the bench for about 25 years past his expiration date. He's nearly deaf and his judgment id beyond questionable. But Cook County voters keep voting to retain him...
7/04/2016 11:22:00 AM
Can you name ANY judge voted for non-retention? You were probably in kindergarten when that happened. As far as I know, that was Judge Lawrence Passarella who let a thug go who beat the shit out of PO Cathy Touhy of 015. That was 30 years ago. I came on the job right at that time.
You are not supposed to have Locke gates, etc. The police do not need a warrant to enter yards or W hen chasing an offender. Just be sure to call in location and beware of dogs, etc. Plainclothes officers, please get to know uniform officers , so no one gets hurt.
Time for another sequel to "Death Wish"
Luckman is a fucking cunt!
Hey SCC, did ya hear the one about the POS that beat the case for shooting 004th dist tactical team ofc in the head? The offender that shot officer Tom Deroin was found not guilty. Well at least they made him a Sgt.
Whatever happened to Del Pearson's case? It wasnt looking to good for him. I havent seen his name on the Sgts list yet or have I missed it?
Entering a backyard, locked or unlocked is a lawful act by law enforcement as long as you're not there to gather evidence or intelligence without probable cause. Exigent Circumstance doctrine dictates Law Enforcement broad access based on finite circumstances, and entering a backyard via whatever means necessary while in pursuit of, or searching for and offender, or evidence of his or her criminal act is allowable. The owner/occupant doesn't have to like it, but like everything else, they do have to tolerate it. Know/learn the law folks, it really allows us to do our job. Knowing it ahead of time takes that doubt out of your head.
And to the Sgt or Lt who may be investigating the CR number mentioned in one of the replies to this thread, you may choose to use this information to unfound the allegation, and tell the complainant to pound sand. I mean inform them of the law and smile when you tell them you will be unfounding their complaint, and also that the officers were well within the law and were acting effectively, efficiently and appropriately while protecting them and their neighbors. And of course, thank them for their support.
From a fellow Lt.
Exigent circumstance
An exigent circumstance, in the criminal procedure law of the United States, allows law enforcement, under certain circumstances, to enter a structure without a search warrant or, if they have a "knock and announce" warrant, without knocking and waiting for refusal. It must be a situation where people are in imminent danger, evidence faces imminent destruction, or a suspect's imminent escape.
No. You can have a locked gate that prevents access from outside, but not one that prevents someone from exiting. That way you're allowed to secure your property without endangering lives in the case of a fire or other emergency. I would advise anyone with a locking gate to think twice about using it. Police aren't as quick to jump over fences anymore. If your gate is locked, there's a good chance the police are stopping right there. If the police or fire department need to break into a locked yard to get access to you when you need help, you may not get the help you need in time. I guess you have to weigh the odds on whether you will need police or fire against how secure your property needs to be.
7/04/2016 10:14:00 PM
I already weighed the odds. I've called the police (I am the police) once, for an intruder, in ten years. CFD loves to make entry, so I'm not worried about them getting on the property.
My gates are locked against the neighborhood thieves and the nosy bitch who lives across the street. I'm good with that.
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