024 Rumor
In light of Officer safety concerns, this would indicate a certain amount of tone-deafness:
- A few weeks ago some goof was caught taking pictures of personal cars and license plates in 24. The guy that stopped him was off duty. The guy would not give any info about his name or adress, but he did get a C.R on the Off duty which was taken by the desk Sgt. No station Security but willing to get a number on one of their own. Typical spineless act by the 24 bossholes.
Did someone do the information report (and maybe an ISR) on the individual taking snapshots? And what would the basis for the CR be?
Labels: safety issues
posted by SCC at 12:02 AM
66 Comments:
As someone who has taken CRs in the past, I can tell you that I will not get one on an officer unless the complainant provides a name, phone number, address, age, DOB, etc. The supervisor who takes the CR has to do an initiation report with the aforementioned info. No info, no CR. My point is, if the dude got a CR, he had to provide his personal information. The Dept. only takes anonymous Crs under, few, usually criminal circumstances.
It is almost like the political machine that runs the city does not want effective and dynamic leadership for the CPD. The cream does not raise to the top, only the turds.
If you see something...
....say something..
The ODPO should get an Honorable Mention.
Did the "Suspicious Person" sign an affidavit?
Did he Desk Sergeant who took the complaint get enough info to run a name check and submit an Information Report.
024 is horrible when it comes to treatment of it's own employees. I can list a dozen other districts who are the same. The days are no longer that the only friends we have are those who carry the star in their pocket. It's every man for themselves now.
Spineless for getting a number on one of your own? Wake up, those days are over. Refusing to get a number doesn't make it go away, oftentimes it's worse.
Well if u knew anything about being a"white shirt" it's that they have to take a complaint from a citizen, no matter how ridiculous. If they don't, they get a cr and end up taking about 3 days suspension. So, they get the stupid beef, it goes nowhere and nobody gets suspended. I didn't know that's how it worked either, but they HAVE to take the complaint. Ask any Sgt and they'll tell u. They don't want to, but they have no choice.
Any subject description or vehicle plate?
Stopping a car off duty?!?!?? Stop it!! Call 911 or the desk. It would be much faster to call the desk and stay on the line with them while they got on the radio. Stop playing police off duty and to be honest with you the guy is right for not giving an off duty cop who is in his personal car his information. The guy is shady but the copper needs to use his head...
C'mon, SCC, you're not that stupid. The C.R. would most likely be for harassment. And you know what happens to supervisors who are met with citizens who desire to file complaints when a supervisor doesn't follow through. The supervisor who has been informed becomes the subject of a C.R. number themselves. This isn't rocket science. Call down, get the log number, move along. One would like to believe that the supervisor, if not the ODPO involved, fully documented all pertinent information on the citizen spy involved. Let's hope so.
The basis would be we are suppose to take crap not dish it out,we must park our veh in plain sight so that an inspector or citizen may recognize and monitor our legal and private affairs like going home or leaving the station lot chewing gum,we may be spat on or brick thrown and or shot at but refrain from doing the same unless you want to find out if this department has your back and if you were not overly aggressive,but in the mean time,be careful driving home take different routes and drive using rear view mirror taking notice that someone has followed or is following,caution office!
020 spends so much time speeding from Street Cleaning to Street Cleaning, I am not surprised they need extra cars from other districts.
Did the complainant give his name, address and phone number on the CR? In light of the two off-duty incidents this past weekend; maybe it is time to say: Stay Fetal, even while Off-Duty! Baby"G"
The basis for the CR would be "Spineless Boss". So tired of them.
024 is too nice for bosses. Nothing to do. They get soft and scared. Don't want to lose their spot.
Taking a CR from some dickhead who won't give his information? That's totally spineless. I hope this wasn't true.
Just get the ISR number up on the site.
Let the more wise handle this complicated things.
Anonymous said...
The basis for the CR would be "Spineless Boss". So tired of them.
9/06/2016 07:03:00 AM
Unfortunately, supervisors have no choice. Either take the complaint or face one yourself. You can't blame the supervisor when a citizen comes in to complain. But, you can blame some of these supervisors for getting CRs on their own when not needed.
What the idiot didn't mention was that the jag taking the photos refused to give his info to the police during the stop and also while filing the complaint. So the LOG number will go nowhere as there is zero contact information to get the affidavit signed. The jag was complaining about a stolen memory card from the camera
024th district's parking lot security sucks! We have had batteries from cars stolen, cars keyed up, spare tires stolen and vehicles either towed/impounded stolen from the lot of the past years. If all the shit that is going on nationally doesn't awake the bosses in 024 to take care of their own/home wtf will? It's the same typical bullshit with cpd trying to be reactive to some degree vs. proactive and taking responsibility. Go to the suburb police departments and their like fort knox. There's not even a fence dividing cpd vehicles/personal vehicles and vehicles being impounded. 024 is an accident waiting to happen......
Correct me if I am wrong, but the only time a supervisor can accept an anonymous complaint is for certain allegations of a criminal nature or residency. Don't blame the sergeant for taking the complaint. As every good supervisor knows there are things you can blow off and things you can't. If he or she doesn't initiate a complaint, they will be included in the complaint and probably get 3 to 5 days. For all you know this individual may have been covertly taping or filming this whole incident.
The suspicious person called the sergeant stupid and incompetent and refused to give any information. He even concealed his identity in the station. Yet the sergeant while taking the CR number offered him both coffee and water and asked him several times if he was hungry.
With everything going on, time to spend the money get a police radio, I know your not supposed to have 1, but if it is my life,my family vs waiting to have 911 call answered and then trying to explain to some drop out to transfer me to zone, the time you waste could be your last time breathing, grab the radio directly to brothers and sisters in blue "emergency" air stops your on get help quickly. When your in a war, you have your rifle and radio 24/7 your not calling on landlines (Unless you have a pos like clinton and your in Benghazi and you get no help and people died because clintons lie).
I will deal with the fallout boss-inspector or whatever after i "violate" radio policy off-duty but sorry my life the life of my family is to valuable to worry about some merit punk who is going to "write me up!"
I saved a PO from getting fired. Of course I was considered an asshole by the blue shirts because I generated a CR number in the process. The thing that saved the copper from getting fired was my CR initiation report. The involved copper is still pissed off at me.
You have to give your name for a cr. I call b.s. on this one. Maybe we need to put up a privacy fence on all police districts, but I will never happen Rahm, aldernuts, exempts don't care about po's been hurt.
Get your facts straight before you start talking shit. It wasn't the desk sgt that did the cr initiation and the allegation was criminal in nature, so the sgt that did it had no choice.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The basis for the CR would be "Spineless Boss". So tired of them.
9/06/2016 07:03:00 AM
Agreed look how well eddie shuffled the exempts, they never produced but he still keeps them! Just goes to show how a weak scared boss operates!
Did the "Suspicious Person" sign an affidavit?
Hey dumbass, learn the procedure. The affadavit is not signed at the time of the complaint. It is signed after an investigator gets the complaint for investigation and makes the first contact with the complainant. Learn how things operate so you can protect yourself.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Well if u knew anything about being a"white shirt" it's that they have to take a complaint from a citizen, no matter how ridiculous. If they don't, they get a cr and end up taking about 3 days suspension. So, they get the stupid beef, it goes nowhere and nobody gets suspended. I didn't know that's how it worked either, but they HAVE to take the complaint. Ask any Sgt and they'll tell u. They don't want to, but they have no choice.
9/06/2016 01:20:00 AM
The initiating supervisor can be your best friend on one of these. I used to take a lot of shit for writing lengthy, involved initiation reports, but then people realized I was presenting and KILLING the c.r. in the body of those reports. If you initiate (because you're REQUIRED to now), take the time and extend the effort to help exonerate your officers on that same sheet of paper.
024 has always been shit vis a vis Bosses. The last place on earth I'd ever bid to.
I know in the suburbs of forest park there was a cop block nerd taking video of the parking lots and station looking for a beef...he posted it up on YouTube, not sure if this is the same scenario or guy....it's under lacrosse tea party
Why are there not any no trespassing signs in 020's parking lot? Employee parking lots should be separate from the general publics. An arrest would've been the right end result.
024 is notorious for bosses throwing POs under the bus. Most of the worst offending bosses have left to 017 but the same lack of decision making is still there.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Well if u knew anything about being a"white shirt" it's that they have to take a complaint from a citizen, no matter how ridiculous. If they don't, they get a cr and end up taking about 3 days suspension. So, they get the stupid beef, it goes nowhere and nobody gets suspended. I didn't know that's how it worked either, but they HAVE to take the complaint. Ask any Sgt and they'll tell u. They don't want to, but they have no choice.
WRONG WRONG WRONG!!! I have been a sergeant for 16 years. It has to be a valid complaint. I have told many citizen's "this is not a valid complaint". In your world, if a citizen wants a complaint because the officer had bad breath, the sergeant must get one. Well that sergeant would be a wuss. If he doesn't have the balls to say no, and take the hit in his disciplinary jacket for the refusal, which he would be exonerated of, then he should quit. If you are a "white shirt", you are a wuss!! If you are not then you are just misinformed.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Well if u knew anything about being a"white shirt" it's that they have to take a complaint from a citizen, no matter how ridiculous. If they don't, they get a cr and end up taking about 3 days suspension. So, they get the stupid beef, it goes nowhere and nobody gets suspended. I didn't know that's how it worked either, but they HAVE to take the complaint. Ask any Sgt and they'll tell u. They don't want to, but they have no choice.
WRONG WRONG WRONG!!! I have been a sergeant for 16 years. It has to be a valid complaint. I have told many citizen's "this is not a valid complaint". In your world, if a citizen wants a complaint because the officer had bad breath, the sergeant must get one. Well that sergeant would be a wuss. If he doesn't have the balls to say no, and take the hit in his disciplinary jacket for the refusal, which he would be exonerated of, then he should quit. If you are a "white shirt", you are a wuss!! If you are not then you are just misinformed.
We have coppers in call-back why not put them as "station security" we have 2 roaming cars on 35th street in parking lots but none in districts! again Eddie another failure? Ed you could put the lying examscam2016 appointees to do this, but then again would they "cheat" and bring a pillow like some of your exempts?
All you horrified po's will be surprised to know that the accused in the cr is an off duty sgt, not a po. And I've been in 024 for along time never heard of any thefts or cdtv in the lot. Bunch of bs by crybaby po's.
Coppers should take more time from patroling the district to check on the lot.
024 has a few blue shirts that should be fired for sure. Let's get the facts straight before you blame someone for doing their jobs. I will agree that the Lt. on days is useless and needs to be put out to pasture. The guy can't even walk anymore. The 2nd watch is a joke with so many inside lazy people collecting a check.
When Bruce Rottner was there everybody was treated fairly and 024 was the best district you could possibly work at. Those sergeants went to 017 after Bruce left. A lot of people really benefitted from Bruce's time and generosity in 024. People who get promoted out of 024 come back to 024 as supervisors. Been that way for years. There is a reason for that.
With everything going on, time to spend the money get a police radio, I know your not supposed to have 1, but if it is my life,my family vs waiting to have 911 call answered and then trying to explain to some drop out to transfer me to zone, the time you waste could be your last time breathing, grab the radio directly to brothers and sisters in blue "emergency" air stops your on get help quickly. When your in a war, you have your rifle and radio 24/7 your not calling on landlines (Unless you have a pos like clinton and your in Benghazi and you get no help and people died because clintons lie).
I will deal with the fallout boss-inspector or whatever after i "violate" radio policy off-duty but sorry my life the life of my family is to valuable to worry about some merit punk who is going to "write me up!"
What is the off duty radio policy? I've never read or seen anything outlining off duty radios. Maybe I'm just unaware.
RE: 9/06/2016 09:20:00 AM
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Anonymous Anonymous said...
020 spends so much time speeding from Street Cleaning to Street Cleaning, I am not surprised they need extra cars from other districts.
9/06/2016 05:31:00 AM
I assume thats a typo/ but I do agree about 020.. Like the Beat Cop that used to walk up and down Bryn Mawr just Looking for a Meter ticket or a street cleaning ticket back in 2012 and 2013.
Anonymous West side Outside "Do Something" said...
Why are there not any no trespassing signs in 020's parking lot? Employee parking lots should be separate from the general publics. An arrest would've been the right end result.
9/06/2016 03:08:00 PM
Plausible Deniability by the CPD.
If it becomes Employee Only....How much you want to bet the City Clerk and the Inspectors start checking every car for a City Sticker and writing tickets because "Owned By City Employee" unless it is a Clear Cut Rental Car.
And remember the fall out back in 2014 because 024 got into a pissing match with revenue over street cleaning? They still aren't living that one down in 024. They've even done it to themselves again recently. Refused to arrest some dude that tried to hit a PEA that was only doing street cleaning, missed her, hit a few parked cars...refused to initiate for Attempted Battery to a City Employee and told the book to apologize. Word around City Hall is they are going the Comptroller to to press for a Special Ed stripping and call back for the beat car staff And the Sector Sgt. for not having the stones to back a 5'4" female that damn near got run down by a punk in 024.
Whereas if it was a Cop...I'd bet money someone would have at least give the jag off a tune up...
WRONG WRONG WRONG!!! I have been a sergeant for 16 years. It has to be a valid complaint. I have told many citizen's "this is not a valid complaint". In your world, if a citizen wants a complaint because the officer had bad breath, the sergeant must get one. Well that sergeant would be a wuss. If he doesn't have the balls to say no, and take the hit in his disciplinary jacket for the refusal, which he would be exonerated of, then he should quit. If you are a "white shirt", you are a wuss!! If you are not then you are just misinformed.
9/06/2016 04:13:00 PM
Oh jeeze, try to come up with something that makes more sense sarge. A bad breath complaint? Wow, you are so tough turning that one down. I think if someone gives a halfway valid (who knows how the o/d Officer allegedly "acted" towards this goof) complaint should be taken to keep said Sgt from getting his own bs beef. He can then do his best to kill the first beef with the facts that usually are not part of the citizen's complaint.
in the same vein, lug nuts loosened on a squad in 015 at a job in the 4800 block of Adams. Observant PO saw it before they drove away.
What is the off duty radio policy? I've never read or seen anything outlining off duty radios. Maybe I'm just unaware.
9/06/2016 05:47:00 PM
Get the app for your smart phone the allows you to listen. you don't need a Motorola.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Well if u knew anything about being a"white shirt" it's that they have to take a complaint from a citizen, no matter how ridiculous. If they don't, they get a cr and end up taking about 3 days suspension. So, they get the stupid beef, it goes nowhere and nobody gets suspended. I didn't know that's how it worked either, but they HAVE to take the complaint. Ask any Sgt and they'll tell u. They don't want to, but they have no choice.
WRONG WRONG WRONG!!! I have been a sergeant for 16 years. It has to be a valid complaint. I have told many citizen's "this is not a valid complaint". In your world, if a citizen wants a complaint because the officer had bad breath, the sergeant must get one. Well that sergeant would be a wuss. If he doesn't have the balls to say no, and take the hit in his disciplinary jacket for the refusal, which he would be exonerated of, then he should quit. If you are a "white shirt", you are a wuss!! If you are not then you are just misinformed.
I agree I tell citizens no all the time. it has to be a legit beef, not because you were pissed that they stopped you or whatever baby shit else the bitch about.
Not being a cop and all I'm just curious on what basis a cop would be able to stop someone who was just taking pictures of a public space? What law could possibly be broken by that?
Look up first amendment test on YouTube. My first guess reading this story is that it is one of these goofs. They purposely go around to police stations and do shit to get a rise out of officers while recording it. Then make complaints against officers for their reactions.
Here is a link to the "First Amendment Audit" crap im talking about.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9Hsp3viERts
Not being a cop and all I'm just curious on what basis a cop would be able to stop someone who was just taking pictures of a public space? What law could possibly be broken by that?
9/06/2016 10:22:00 PM
Taking pictures in some "public spaces" provides reasonable suspicion for a stop. This isn't something different for police parking lots. It allows us to keep airports and public transportation safe also. Taking pictures of The Bean, OK. Taking surveillance type photos of police facilities and public transportation, suspicious.
Do you understand that now?
I remember the days when the desk Sgt. Would throw people out of the building for being assholes,
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Not being a cop and all I'm just curious on what basis a cop would be able to stop someone who was just taking pictures of a public space? What law could possibly be broken by that?
9/06/2016 10:22:00 PM
So,you would have no problem with someone walking around your house,in your backyard and taking pics of your property and of you coming and going?
Put some money into 024. We need a parking lot fence on the South side of lot. Also, the lockup could be retrofitted to meet state standards.....it is senseless to transport prisoners all over the place.
And did i mention we need late rapid cars that start a 1700 to cover shift change with 1st watch.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Not being a cop and all I'm just curious on what basis a cop would be able to stop someone who was just taking pictures of a public space? What law could possibly be broken by that?
9/06/2016 10:22:00 PM
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you can stop someone if you can articulate reasonable suspicion - in this case that he was going to damage a car or harm a cop as part of a larger plan - can't arrest him without more so you're right in that sense. It's better if he's a white male Christian cause the media won't care much about that.
Hey all the jackasses reading this....a cr was not generated on a blue shirt in 024, a cr was generated on a 2nd watch sgt.in 024 regarding the above incident.
"Get your facts straight before you start talking shit. It wasn't the desk sgt that did the cr initiation and the allegation was criminal in nature, so the sgt that did it had no choice."
Exactly. If you are going to attack the bosses, get the basic facts straight. Bosses in 24 are okay.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Not being a cop and all I'm just curious on what basis a cop would be able to stop someone who was just taking pictures of a public space? What law could possibly be broken by that?
9/06/2016 10:22:00 PM
And thats the reason the CR was probably sought out by the Civilian.
They were on the public way and attempting to get a cop to jam themselves up.
This move sounds like the Chicago Chapter of Cop Block.
Don't let them get a rise out of you. If they are on the public way, with a Video Camera or w/e do what we do at Finance:
I pull out my work phone and flip on the camera to record. Get a few pictures of the book and see if he likes it.
Had one a few weeks ago go batshit when I did that. He even tried the "You can't Record me without my permission" line. Shut him down with : "Your on the public way....not in a private structure, as such you have no expectation to privacy...Read the Illinois Wiretap Law." I loved the scowl on his face.
Oh jeeze, try to come up with something that makes more sense sarge. A bad breath complaint? Wow, you are so tough turning that one down. I think if someone gives a halfway valid (who knows how the o/d Officer allegedly "acted" towards this goof) complaint should be taken to keep said Sgt from getting his own bs beef. He can then do his best to kill the first beef with the facts that usually are not part of the citizen's complaint.
9/06/2016 08:17:00 PM
When you consider some of the jobs that we get 19P'd from the OEMC call takers...how is this not possible?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Not being a cop and all I'm just curious on what basis a cop would be able to stop someone who was just taking pictures of a public space? What law could possibly be broken by that?
9/06/2016 10:22:00 PM
There are a few on the books regarding Government facilities...but I do believe it is a state level or federal level charge and is usually only used as a 'tack on another charge" when you actually catch a suspected terrorist.
Asshole with a video camera is still just Asshole with a video camera. 1st Amendment rights in play. The Illinois Wire tap law is Only for Covert Recording or Covert Video.
The Cop in 024 should have just taken a few pictures on his smart phone, walked into the district and had a chat with a Desk Dolly or the Desk Sgt.
guy was seen taking pictures of personal cars in 001 from the rooftop of Mariano's a couple weeks ago. I was told an info report was done. I heard coppers ran over there but the guy took off.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Not being a cop and all I'm just curious on what basis a cop would be able to stop someone who was just taking pictures of a public space? What law could possibly be broken by that?
9/06/2016 10:22:00 PM
So,you would have no problem with someone walking around your house,in your backyard and taking pics of your property and of you coming and going?
9/07/2016 07:26:00 AM
Re-Read his question.
Important word was "PUBLIC"
Anonymous Anonymous said...
024th district's parking lot security sucks! We have had batteries from cars stolen, cars keyed up, spare tires stolen and vehicles either towed/impounded stolen from the lot of the past years. If all the shit that is going on nationally doesn't awake the bosses in 024 to take care of their own/home wtf will? It's the same typical bullshit with cpd trying to be reactive to some degree vs. proactive and taking responsibility. Go to the suburb police departments and their like fort knox. There's not even a fence dividing cpd vehicles/personal vehicles and vehicles being impounded. 024 is an accident waiting to happen......
9/06/2016 08:58:00 AM
The Beat car that has the Station in their box could spend less time focusing on Street Cleaning and Walk the property a couple times a shift instead. Make sure no squads have loose lug nuts or flat tires. Check your brother and sister cops vehicles for the same or other vandalism. Its part of the beat and needs to be checked just like the rest of the beat.
WRONG WRONG WRONG!!! I have been a sergeant for 16 years. It has to be a valid complaint. I have told many citizen's "this is not a valid complaint". In your world, if a citizen wants a complaint because the officer had bad breath, the sergeant must get one. Well that sergeant would be a wuss. If he doesn't have the balls to say no, and take the hit in his disciplinary jacket for the refusal, which he would be exonerated of, then he should quit. If you are a "white shirt", you are a wuss!! If you are not then you are just misinformed.
9/06/2016 04:13:00 PM
Oh jeeze, try to come up with something that makes more sense sarge. A bad breath complaint? Wow, you are so tough turning that one down. I think if someone gives a halfway valid (who knows how the o/d Officer allegedly "acted" towards this goof) complaint should be taken to keep said Sgt from getting his own bs beef. He can then do his best to kill the first beef with the facts that usually are not part of the citizen's complaint.
9/06/2016 08:17:00 PM
Just because a citizen says an interaction was unprofessional, doesn't mean you have to get one. They have to articulate to you how it was unprofessional, usually they cannot, they're just beefing to beef.
Wow, your parking sucks! My brother works for a sheriffs department and they park in a secured parking garage. As well as their plates and spouse come back registered to a government office (not police station). Lots of talk about colors of shirts... Interesting that at police funerals you all wear the same color! With everybody nipping at your heals, please know that you have support out there!
Anonymous said...
With everything going on, time to spend the money get a police radio, I know your not supposed to have 1, but if it is my life,my family vs waiting to have 911 call answered and then trying to explain to some drop out to transfer me to zone, the time you waste could be your last time breathing, grab the radio directly to brothers and sisters in blue "emergency" air stops your on get help quickly. When your in a war, you have your rifle and radio 24/7 your not calling on landlines (Unless you have a pos like clinton and your in Benghazi and you get no help and people died because clintons lie).
I will deal with the fallout boss-inspector or whatever after i "violate" radio policy off-duty but sorry my life the life of my family is to valuable to worry about some merit punk who is going to "write me up!"
What is the off duty radio policy? I've never read or seen anything outlining off duty radios. Maybe I'm just unaware.
9/06/2016 05:47:00 PM
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