More Shot Spotters!
- The Chicago Police Department plans to put more gunfire-location sensors in two high-crime districts to combat the extraordinary violence gripping those parts of the city.
ShotSpotter Flex sensors now cover about 3 square miles of the city in the Englewood District on the South Side and the Harrison District on the West Side.
The city plans to increase the coverage to more than 13 1/2 square miles at a first-year cost of about $940,000. The sensors are leased from SST Inc. in California, which provides ShotSpotter technology to police departments across the country.
The city will pay for the increased sensors with money from asset forfeitures.
“Those two districts will be completely covered,” Chicago Police Deputy Chief Jonathan Lewin said. “We think this will improve first responder safety and awareness.”
You want to spot shots? Just roll down the window in 007 and 011. You'll hear them pretty quick. We heard the coppers can tell distance, direction and caliber in short order just by listening to the racket. One copper even claims he can tell which gang fired it.
Would Lewin care to tell everyone how many 19-Pauls are generated by ShotSspotter technology? Or how many arrests are derived from ShotSpotters? We're betting single-digit numbers, if that.
Would Lewin care to tell everyone how many 19-Pauls are generated by ShotSspotter technology? Or how many arrests are derived from ShotSpotters? We're betting single-digit numbers, if that.
Labels: silly people
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
68 Comments:
Good idea! The boards will light up like a Christmas tree! Unfortunately they won't have anyone to respond because THEY BOUGHT THIS GARBAGE!!!!!!
They would be better off investing the money in police body armor, patrol rifles, and yes, first aid kits!
They have these in Minneapolis. I heard they hear about 150 out of every hundred actual shots, and only do not hear about 40 of every hundred actual shots. This is all hearsay, because SST Inc., and the city are not talking about the facts.
And no I have not seen any success stories.
Only in the black neighborhoods?!! That's racist!!!
Useless as tits on a bull.
If these things work, the assholes will just move where the cameras aren't.
Good coppers can tell the distance. Better coppers can tell the caliber. Just a horrible skill developed while working in the hood.
It's just another innovative way to spend the taxpayers money, and to justify even more taxation in the long run. People in a combat zone soon become quite good at spotting shots, just by listening.
So this really is sibling competition.
The powers that be wanted each of the Johnson twins to have more shot spotters.
Do these Johnson twins have any relations to Eddie-the Axe man Johnson??
Christ, CPIC will be calling them out all day long now.
Sounds expensive. But hey, at least it will stop all the shootings, right? What a joke. If shotspotter was effective in any way, they would've expanded it long ago. Knowing where the shots are coming from does absolutely nothing for you. If no one is hit, no one gives a shit where the shots came from. If someone is hit, there will be a 911 call to tell you where to find them. Pod cameras are nice tools to watch what happened after the fact, or to use for surveillance when you have a subject in sight of one of the cameras, but unless we have people monitoring them and pointing them in the right direction at all times, it's a crapshoot whether they'll actually capture anything useful. All of this is expensive technology that is being used to line someone's pockets while the city pretends it doesn't have money for more police. We don't need more police if we have more technology, right? That's what they want us to believe. Better tech equals better response time and better use of limited resources. It just won't make a difference.
More city hall corruption.Another contract for crap that's proven to be ineffective.
Who got paid off on this one?
So if shotspotter is so good and can tell the difference between fireworks/backing cars and actual gun shots, shouldn't the be a case report done for each and everytime it is triggered?
007 and 011 are going to look like a war zone. Bring it on. Bury the department in their own incompetence. As a Sgt, I would love to approve all those reports. Should only take a few lines and everything else unk.
Lewin is Desperate! He got his Gold Star on the premise that Predictive Policing works, but this new technology is strictly "Reactive", in that it reports shots already fired. What happened with "Predicting" the shot before it occurs? Is this an acknowledgment that they cannot predict accurately? So, these devices, like the cameras on the CTA, will record the incident, but do nothing to prevent it. You might as well put more cameras in these areas, then you will at least have a picture of the shooter. Or, is this contractor kicking back to someone? Why was this company chosen? What has the military done with these devices in the Middle East? More questions than answers. In the meantime: Stay Fetal, Fu%ck the incompetent Putz, named Rahm. Baby "G"
And the winner is....
SST Inc. !
Look up their principals, then look up who they donate to.
Instead of this shot spotter bs how about putting all the asset forfeiture money in our pension bucket. Every little bit helps.
Are they the same ones that go off when the garbage dumpsters were being emptied into a garbage truck near the CHA buildings?
What was the cost of all the 19-Pauls there?
A complete waste of money that city hall forced upon us and Lewin embraced.
Another waste of almost a million dollars. Think about what that money could be used for. We're broke but the politicians just keep wasting money. Keep voting democratic. Wake Up People,.
just a way for Caluris to pretend CPIC matters...when they do not.
Here is a little Shot Spotter story for you. Probably about three years ago, an 011th District unit on-viewed shots fired at Thomas & Pulaski. Amazingly, 10 minutes later, CPIC gets on the air and lets us know that the Shot Spotter picked up multiple shots in the vicinity of Thomas & Pulaski.
So, while accurate, the time lag makes Shot Spotter all but useless. Apparently, when the Shot Spotter picks up a hit, somebody in California has to analyze the sound to verify whether or not it's legit, then they notify CPIC who in-turn gets on the appropriate zone and puts the information out.
It sounds like a good plan, but in reality, it's nothing but a useless waste of money that really serves no purpose.
Theft by government!
if this technology worked it would be used by the military because they could quickly send drones with bombs to an area.
Hey AlderCreatures! Put the city's money where it will have results - HIRE MORE POLICE OFFICERS!!
Retired .38 spl +P
Lewin just another useless prick.
What a waste of money. How about spending it on hiring more police officers,squad cars and other useful equipment that a police officer can use. Useless garbage !!!!
If they can spot shots before they are fired, Cool.
Can someone explain the value of this? I'm retired now and we never had this when I was otj but what's the point of this. If you don't have boots on the ground ( and I hate that term) what good is it? Hire some more coppers.
Once again it's friends and families first when it comes to big money city contracts, who's getting their beak wet on this one?
Maybe, and that's a loose maybe, if the department was adequately staffed, not chasing job after job, shot spotters could be if some use.
How about working PDTs instead.
Back in the early 1990's is when I learned how to delineate where and what type of gun was fired. Worked the south end of 009 and was able to tell if shots were from 007 or 009. Those were fun days working this job. Racing to a shooting scene call only to be beaten there by a news truck monitoring calls.
Now, eh, call me when the body is cold. Here's your report. In the words of the immortal Forrest Gump, "Have a nice daaay!"
Who's relative has this contract? Now pull my finger...
This money wold better spent into our low funded pensions, rather then junk technology making their buddies rich and giving Lewin a nice paying job after he retires from this stupid city and police dept.!
wait are they not putting in devices to track people? You know for health reasons? Are these the new political valet vehicles? Are these the new vehicles rahm has on order so he can drive through chirac?:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j0eJ0xB7LU
I'll bet whoever leases these things also fixes the leaking hole in his roof by setting a bucket under it.
Useless, shots are fired and the bad leaves area. Police are called and arrive to an empty street and no offender. Send the money on hiring more police officers or equipment.
We had these on the north side in the 90's. Karen Hoover had one in front of her rented apartment. Remember her?
Chief Jonathan Lewin needs to release his Tax Returns and Investment Portfolio.
I wonder if he was in on the Proposal with the goofy IL St. Rep Sonya Harper (D-6th) to buy into a Serial Numbered Bullet Tracking System?
So with these two geniuses, the CPD can respond to the Shots, ET can collect the bullet and casing, retrieve the data, Dets go look for who sold the serial numbered bullet and...and...and...five years later....Case Suspended.
But wait, I keep forgetting to mention that Crime Is Down Overall.
God Almighty help us.
Hey SCC...
We conjured a word to describe the hoopla around
these new Shit errr, Shot-Spotters.
"BUSYNESS"
The very obviously orchestrated appearance of doing
"something" when absolutely NOTHING will have any
hope whatsoever of succeeding in the first damned place.
See:
"Exercise In Futility."
"Attempting To Ascertain The Clean End of Shit
In Order to Pick It Up Bare-Handed."
"Tilting At Windmills."
"Burning The Tax-Payer Dollar At Both Ends."
"This Accomplishes What Now?"
"Shitting In Another Man's Hat."
"We Stuck It In The Cops Ear."
"The Electorate Is Stupid."
"Rahm For Mayor 2019"
...And so much more.
Why the hell doesn't the city use that money to hire more police officer's to be put on the streets!
Maybe the 2 useless Johnson brothers can open their office window and listen for gun fire it would be cheaper. Two useless fucks the future of the dept god help us. Yes I know and worked with both of them.
Anonymous said...
Good coppers can tell the distance. Better coppers can tell the caliber. Just a horrible skill developed while working in the hood.
9/08/2016 01:16:00 AM
INDEED!
And there you have it peoples an' folkses!
The O/P is dead-on-target with his assertion.
How many Policemen could have been hired for the price
of these useless-assed things?
What fucking GOOD is a shot spotter if you don't have
enough Policemen to respond?
Another freshly twisted/brightly colored balloon critter
of distraction from Rahm.
"Don't look over by THERE!
Look HERE!"
>Squeaky-Squooky-Squeak!<
"Oooooooh! So pretty!"
GTFOH...
More money pissed away
So they detect gunshots, then the bad guy runs away, police show up and no body saw a thing. What's the advantage??
I can tell the caliber,range,street .Just by smelling the gun powder in the air. Tru-4-ever
SCC we are shit-spotters. This is another shit contract to line pockets of the clouted and politicians.
Another waste of funds that could go towards actual police resources. Maybe even squad cars that don't have over 140k miles that are still used daily. Maybe appropriate training for the department instead of short computer quizzes and brief role call discussions. Nevermind, that makes sense. They city prefers to run it ass backwards.
Shotspotter (FLEX)? You mean like Red Flex? hmmm
Everything I hear about these things is that they are bullshit. Someones nephew is getting a fat contract.
I don't want to hear anything about this city being broke come contract time. They seem to find money for all sorts of useless shit. I mean what's the point here? Can they point to the existing detection cameras for any meaningful statistics?
(OT) media and war on police continue:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-police-officer-charged-baton-hitting-20160908-story.html
What will it take until coppers realize patrolling in chiraq thug areas is not worth losing everything what part of staying fetal protection of your assets family and freedom is #1! Why do you bother? The animals in the jungle behavior is stellar compared to this. 19 Paulista your best friend followed by 5F as far as you can see! Why be an idiot who rushes to ghettoville nonsense? Please stop being aggressive we lost the battle lost the war! Until we have change and are supported from the top down as only Trump promises stay fetal! If not for yourself for your families and fellow officers!
Nobody knew there was shooting in these areas before. That's why residents spend so much time staying low in the basement, if they are lucky enough to have one. Otherwise, it's the good old cast-iron bathtub -- not like you have warning to get there.
Could they at least borrow bullhorns from the "community activists?"
>click<
>scree<
"WE GON SHOOT UP THIS BLOCK IN FIVE-FOUR-THREE-TWO-ONE SECONDS."
>fusillade ensues<
Lend it a bit of dignity, some organized formal procedure.
"Good coppers can tell the distance. Better coppers can tell the caliber. Just a horrible skill developed while working in the hood."
9/08/2016 01:16:00 AM
..and the next morning, expended, rifling-engraved slugs shining all coppery-like in the gutter. "That's a .30 M1 carbine round. Sailed over here about fifteen blocks from Juneway last night."
"Concerned citizens" used to pull an annual New Year's Eve Gunfire Survey up on a convenient three-story apartment rooftop in East Rogers Park. Helmets, flak vests -- >whop< >ping< Got too dangerous when the full auto started coming in, so we broke it off and just stayed inside and drank beer, cheering the more prolonged and egregious bursts. The most astonishing blue-white eruptions lighting up gangways like daytime. Shouts of "JA! I shoot MY gun!" About time. We just figured it was the "mad as hell and not going to take it any more" neighbors with a .308 HK91 or FN/FAL switched to full. If they'd done that consistently the rest of the year, you might have seen a "decrease in the increase."
Here's to ya!
>hic<
Either we have documented cases of this system assisting in the apprehension of a shooter which would merit throwing more money at it, or more likely some connected person stands to benefit from us dumping another million dollars in to it. The only reason I would throw more money at this is if this BS system could be programmed to 19-P the shots fired. That at least would be useful.
"They would be better off investing the money in police body armor, patrol rifles, and yes, first aid kits!"
9/08/2016 12:34:00 AM
Shotguns.
Best fight-stopper in the world, often without ever needing to be fired.
Ka-LATCH! Known the world over. Real life-savers.
Of course, these days they'd start dancing, taunting, "hands up I want to get a brain someday," "I can't breathe," &c.
"One big difference is that now, on the street, there is no fear. Even in the '90s, with all the killing, the gangs feared the police. When we'd show up, they'd run. But now? Now they don't run. Now, there is no fear."
Caracas.
Rahm I. Emanuel, Mayor.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/kass/ct-chicago-violence-kass-0831-20160830-column.html
They are accurate but useless. There are 100 coppers on the street in those neighborhoods. They hear th shots with their EARS! By the time the spotter relays the location and the dispatcher forward it the event is over and the offender gone. Even 1-2 minutes is a lifetime at a shooting. Waste of $$$$!
Run to the gun shots egg head Lewin. Don't need more useless data from the predictive analyest unit. Need more real police.
They have Shot Spotter in South Bend IN. It seems to be pretty accurate most times, they can almost tell you which garbage can in the alley the shooter was standing next to. Once in a while fireworks will register, but usually they at least find casings or witnesses to prove it was 'real', and on at least one occasion, a body. But I know how busy it can get with Shot Spotter calls in South Bend, Chicago will be the major leagues for that, I doubt there will be enough cars to run all those calls.
I guess the no-bid will go to Daly's cousin
Waste of money period!!!!!!
thought thats what we have ears for.
They have these in Minneapolis. I heard they hear about 150 out of every hundred actual shots, and only do not hear about 40 of every hundred actual shots. This is all hearsay, because SST Inc., and the city are not talking about the facts.
And no I have not seen any success stories.
What the fuck are you talking about? They hear 150 out of 100? They don't hear 40 of every 100?
...Shouts of "JA! I shoot MY gun!" About time. We just figured it was the "mad as hell and not going to take it any more" neighbors with a .308 HK91 or FN/FAL switched to full. If they'd done that consistently the rest of the year, you might have seen a "decrease in the increase."
Here's to ya!
>hic<
9/08/2016 12:38:00 PM
Hooooo man!
Those are neighbors worth having!
Hell... Now you gotta have people on good blocks
mannning strategic shooting posts to keep random
bike-riding m/fers at bay...
"Give us your purse old man!"
.308 In An Upper Story Window says:
"BOOM!"
This Modern Highwayman shit tho'...
You think people are starting to actually catch on?
Funny...
We laugh at how they're hanging those stupid
Shot-Spotters in the expected places.
But when decent people in good neighborhoods
start maiming and killing the Modern Highwaymen?
What's the over-under odds on the City contract administrator approving this purchase getting busted in a few years for a fat envelope?
What has the title "Deputy Chief" turned into over the past several years? "We can't move you to yet another exempt position that is clearly above your so-called "leadership abilities,' but we can give you a glorified title and a few extra grand (pensionable) to do the same lousy fucking job" where you currently take up space on the chain of command chart." Now just go away, Lewin!
Darren Seals loved BBQ...So someone honored him by turning him into BBQ!
Ask yourself , who has that contract
bunch or crooks , pay to play like the red light cameras
Just wondering who the chosenite owners of SSL corp. who sells these devices ?
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