New Order in Los Angeles
We'd almost believe this was a made up article - except the Department of Aviation Police in Chicago have been told the same thing:
- The Los Angeles Police Commission wants LAPD police officers to run away when a suspect confronts them with a weapon, warns the Los Angeles Police Protective League, the labor union of the city’s police officers.
The organization posted a blog post critical of the commission’s recent decision to find that fault lay upon an LAPD officer who used deadly force when a female suspect, Norma Guzman, came at him and his partner swinging a large knife.
Los Angeles has a commission made up of 5 representatives of the "community" appointed by the mayor and city council, none of which are required to have any police experience or legal background. They determined, by a 4-1 vote, that policy was violated in a fluid, dynamic situation where an officer was left with two choices when a knife-wielding madwoman had him trapped between two cars - (1) shoot to end the threat to his own life or (2) run away and allow her rampage to continue, possibly against other officers or innocent citizens.
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
104 Comments:
Police work is dead, I have bemoaned the term stay fetal while it is the thing to do it sounds horrible in the press and to the tax payers who pay our salaries. A rebranding of that policy should be observe and report.
Instead of running away, maybe we shouldn't even show up in the first place.
The Los Angeles Police Commission wants LAPD police officers to run away when a suspect confronts them with a weapon,.....
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WTF?????
Counter that order. When confronted by ANYONE with a weapon - SHOOT TO KILL.
What has happened in the last eight years in this Asshole country??????
When did this country become the Unites States of Pussified Pacifists?
Does ANYONE know the meaning of leadership anymore?
Send EVERYONE of these politicians - both men AND WOMEN - to Marine Boot camp, those who make it through can still be a politician, those who don't - cannot go back to being a politician.
"The Cops won't get out of their cars to engage
or arrest the bad guys unless it's on a signed
citizen complaint! They need to be proactive
like they used to be!"
De-escalation...
"Stop being so fast to arrest people!"
"The Cops are continuing their defensive crouch!"
A fine mish-mash of crazy, ain't it?
Who's the winner when the smoke clears?
It sure as shit ain't The Police.
The country is DOOMED !
It's LA LA land, the land of coconuts, numb nuts, no nuts and just plain nutty nuts.....
Hooray for Hollywoooood......
Welcome to Bizarro World.
I am so fucking glad I'm retired.
God bless the CPD and LE across this once great USA.
Stay fetal until all this shit turns around.
Vote Rep or we are all doomed.
Madness. Sounds like the same qualifications for COPA. They just forgot to mention that being a police hater is another requirement.
Get ready, because the new civilian review board will be just like this. I can't implore people enough, please do NOTHING more than you have to. It's over....
Who cares? If the rule is to retreat, then retreat. Back up, gun in hand, if she attacks shoot her. If she runs the other way, wave bye-bye.
General Grant (who by winning that war may be responsible for all this) said "I know no method to secure the repeal of bad or obnoxious laws so effective as their stringent execution" will be found correct again. Give the Windy City five more years, and you'll have a republican mayor with tanks in the street.
Too bad you coppers have to live in that cesspool.
Not CPD, but had 40 years on the job, double dipping my way to New Mexico where they (California) can send me my 200 K. Good luck to them and you.
I guess you could say I ran away. I retired and moved to a Red State. Hope you all get to do the same.
This will eliminate those troublesome shoot/don't shoot decisions.
Run like hell when you see this!
Come at me bro! The moment an angry CRAB grabs a knife in its claw and wields it menacingly
* A crab has been filmed holding a blue-handled knife in one of its claws
* As it scuttles along, the crab is seen brandishing the knife as a weapon
* When someone tries to grab the knife, the crab waves it threateningly
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3801502/Gangsta-knife-wielding-crab-filmed-clutching-weapon-claw-waving-aggressively.html
Criminals Win Big on this one. So, why have Police at all?? The world as it should be has evaporated and will get more crazy as time moves along quickly. We are sorry for the loss.
SCC, why isn't this labeled under "un-fucking-fucking-believable"?
We are witnessing the end of policing in America
No longer is it just STAY FETAL, people. Now it's, DON'T DO SHIT
LAPD has a much stronger Police Commission, which also reviews and approves Dept. Policy. Imagine our knuckleheads in R & D having to submit General Orders to our knucklehead Police Board for the Lightfoot seal of approval. They also run around with fancy gold shields, with the rank panel holding 5 stars while the chief has 4 stars. Now the AlderCreatures will want one, too.
Retired .38 spl +P
Ray Hamilton has made his way back to CPD after 5 yrs plus on a leave of absence. Wonder if tactical Barbie will be making a come back too ?
OK, Run away! Now the offender goes after someone else and kills them. The family will sue you for not protecting the family member. G.O. DON'T hold up in court!
Another coward killing many in a mall look at picture of pos offender looks like Arab terrorist they are saying Hispanic?
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/09/24/hunt-on-for-gunman-who-killed-5-including-4-women-at-washington-mall.html
Could again Trump be correct more illegal invader criminals let in USA by his orders to destroy America?
Crazy things happen when a mayor bows to political pressure and wants to give tremendous power to civilians who know nothing about police work. Aren't we heading in this direction?
MLB catcher suspended for season telling truth on black lies murder crew:
http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2016/09/24/mariners-suspend-catcher-for-tweets-on-black-lives-matter-police-shootings.html
Big double standard tired of the bullshit right is now wrong the thugs and nfl jagoffs that are black pos do whatever disparage the military spit on police but that's ok Trump please remake America law and order!
Coming to a City near you. That is what is going to happen when they have Fr Flaker and civilians on the board. SMH
J-Fled should move to LA, he would fit right in.
This was just a trial balloon from City Hall.
Viet Rahm said if successful, he'll have the Chicago Fire Dept. trained to run OUT of burning buildings next.
You heard it here first. I know a guy who heard it at 35th St.
Sergeants list comes out Friday, and this is an insignificant blog site.
Seems like the World as we know it has CRASHED and BURNED.....We are sooooo PHUQED with these IDIOTS in charge.....God help us all.......
They're right....Get your 20 years in, and Retire, and Run Away....
Better yet tell the call takers to not answer the phone. If we have to run away why even show up?
They can go ahead and remove "To serve and protect" off their cars now. John Doe citizen better arm up because the Police won't be allowed to stomp out crime.
But next it will be required that citizens flee their homes when diversity invades.
Why do politicians only represent a small percentage of all Americans? I hope this comes back to bite them in the butt!
Our Police are owed a big apology by everyone! Democrats for doing it, republicans for allowing it, and the media for encouraging it! Damn them all! Stay safe Officers.
J.J.
How soon before they require the police to retreat when offered resistance to arrest, even when the offender does not have a weapon?
What if I trip when running away?
As goofy as this sounds, this is going to be standard practice soon. Not only for us police but for conceal carry gun owners too.
Coming soon to a police department near you.
http://heatst.com/culture-wars/white-lives-matter-charlotte/
Can you imagine what the media would do if whites had done this to a black man? It would be on every channel. 20/20 would do a 2 hour special about it. The president would address it.Hillary Clinton would give a disgusted speech about it. Liberal honkies would be marching and closing down streets in downtown Chicago. Phather Phleger would be marching, etc.
But blacks did it to a white man so ... ah no big deal? This is the soft bigotry of lowered expectations.
I endorse the LAPD message.
Welcome to the future.
Who is going to protect the decent people of this world against evildoers if idiots like the LAPD commission is making decisions like this? I wonder ,if one of these brainchild's family or loved ones was in harms way of a knife wielding loon ,what would their wishes be then?
Shoot to terminate the threat or have the police retreat ? What a fucking joke this country has become.
GOTTA RUN!
That must be a joke. To tell the last line of defense to run away in the eye of any threat is insane. These liberals and their way of thinking really is a sickness.
The inmates are running the asylum
What a joke this department has turned into. STAY FETAL!!!
What is next? Ask the Cop to shoot himself if he can't get away safely? Why can't the Police have the same rights to defend their selves as I do? Insanity. Come at my hometown city Cops armed, in an attack mode and you will surely meet your maker. As it ought to be. They are not going to run from any armed threat. They will end it. As it ought to be.
I really liked your inclusion of the Monty Python and the Holy Grail scene:
"Run away".
This is one of my favorite movies.
Also humor is a great weapon is confronting the lies of the humorless cultural marxists, BlackLiesmatter and especially the Lugenpresse - Lying Press.
Please work to oppose, expose the worst liars like (Comedy Central, Late Show) Stephen Colbert. Colbert is now spreading the lie that the Charlotte NC events are part of a huge conspiracy of racist police officers to kill innocent Blacks and BlackLiesMatter protesters should be excused for rioting because America isn't listening to peaceful protests like those of has been NFL QB Colin Kaepernick.
Link
http://www.vox.com/identities/2016/9/23/13028134/stephen-colbert-charlotte-police-protests-late-show
Just wait until rahm appoints his civilian board.
Why would you take the Crisis Intervention class so they can take you out of you're Beat and put you in a shoot don't shoot situation that if it goes bad you can get fired.
Obamaspeak.
Easy fix, take the long way to jobs. I'll get there, within a few hours. Can't help how bad traffic is. Gotta find a legal parking place. It's not rocket science. You get paid regardless. Just pretend you're a cta employee. Do the bare minimum.
That will go over big time with our present No Police command. They have been running away from police work their entire careers. Not a single gold Star that I am aware of could be called a real policeman. Political hack? Yes! Connected? Yes!! Policeman? Hell no!
The Los Angeles Police Commission wants LAPD police officers to run away when a suspect confronts them with a weapon,.....
So you let someone armed that will attack a uniformed Police Officer go free to attack an unarmed citizen who we are sworn to protect. Who are these idiots and who are the idiots that listen to them. If you don't see that its time to vote the democrats out nothing will
Elections have consequences
Talk about a lose-lose. If you respond to a real threat appropriately, you're scrutinized with a fine tooth comb in looking for ANY procedural violation. Now, if you're told to retreat from a REAL threat, you will be scrutinized for not doing your job by any potential victims. This new order is going to get more officers killed in forcing them to balance the above parameters in REAL TIME, not from an armchair.
VOTE TRUMP!! Law and order. Stop this madness once and for all. This no borders with new world order is destroying our country. ENOUGH already. If you have young children, please take action and make it your business to have every family member and friends come out for TRUMP!!
Confront the Bad Guys seems like a difficult job description, but if I could draw a check for running from trouble,
Sign me up!
Only slightly off topic : as one of your visitors who has actually snorted PCP, I understand why that's often a precursor to being shot by the cops.
Not a cop.
"Everytime I see U fallin I get down on my knees and pray"
I'm afraid the way this is being run, our collective prayers are falling on deaf ears.
Coming to Chicago soon. Policing is over, only those with their heads in the sand still think this job is still worth the b.s
"MLB catcher suspended for season telling truth on black lies murder crew:
http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2016/09/24/mariners-suspend-catcher-for-tweets-on-black-lives-matter-police-shootings.html
9/24/2016 08:06:00 AM
Tweets.
Twitter and Facebook and "videos" run the smartphone world now. Paradoxically, we are losing the ability to relate to other humans face-to-face.
Trying to get something done, and Ms. Smartphone is always "away from her desk." So? Your phone works in Death Valley. Talk to me? No.
In some ways, we were better off with the old Western Electric beige dial phone sitting on that desk, with a six-foot cord. That way, people had to be at their desks to get things done for you -- like they are paid to do.
If I run away won't I be fired for cowardice under G.O.s? I may start carrying a replica firearm. This job is ridiculous.
Anonymous said...
Ray Hamilton has made his way back to CPD after 5 yrs plus on a leave of absence. Wonder if tactical Barbie will be making a come back too ?
9/24/2016 06:28:00 AM
Wasn't he under investigation when he fled?
Anonymous said...
What if I trip when running away?
9/24/2016 08:46:00 AM
The mayor will speak highly of you at your honors funeral, then he will vilify the police for five minutes, as well.
Better to be stabbed in the back by Special Ed than stabbed in the back when running away from an attacker with a knife.
"The Los Angeles Police Commission wants LAPD police officers to run away when a suspect confronts them with a weapon, warns the Los Angeles Police Protective League, the labor union of the city’s police officers."
OK. Let the precious offender (with the 20-30 page RAP Sheet} carry on his merry way to commit more crimes. Hopefully not past your family member. Just wait for the lawsuit.
This will be fun to watch, from a safe distance ...
ABCD (Ret)
I remember a time when running away and allowing a threatening person to hurt another civilian or officer would get you fired and sued. Maybe there should be civilian oversight in every squad so we can just defer to them before making any decisions that would seem cruel in their safety bubble of liberal bullshit.
New wording on side of squads: "We serve and flee."
Why would anyone with a brainstem want to get into law enforcement nowadays. You guilty as soon as you attempt to do your job. Stay in school. Get a degree in something other than criminal justice and go into the private sector.
If they want us to run away I guess that means I can walk away from my workstation at the district desk when an angry asshole comes in.
How many clues does it take to make you realize we are in the middle of a civil war? A civil war that we are loosing.
please do offend the blm movement you might loose your job.
Run...,Forest, Run...!
Northbound on King Dr.and rolling up to light at Oakwood on midnights. !980's and during the tech 9 era. Shots from Ida B. a block away. Well, not just shots. A dozen plus semi-automatic bursts of gun fire definitely from multiple guns.
Look at each other and make a leisurely U-turn and drive southbound down King into the still of the night.
We weren't "running away."
We were being fetal at a slow pace moving in the opposite direction.
Man! We were PIONEERS of the FETAL movement!
So the female that was fired for cowardice for running away and the male that was fired this year for not helping his partner were RIGHT? This place is going to look like Bosnia during wartime when we're done. And just clarifying, I can still take a day for no beat tag?
Soon we'll be like firefighters, stay in the station until you get your job where you will then have to check out a gun from the radio room.
Where did America go ?
We were promised change eight years ago. Well your living it now.
Liberals have ruined America.
This article proves it.
Just another reason to stay fetal..
"Stop! ...or I shall say stop again!"
Holy fuck, run away! Really? Not in my genes! Turn tail and get stabbed in the back. How poetic. With all the equipment we have to carry. I rather just 19 Paul.
I still support the police and deputies.
Thank you
We can be like fireman, just roll out when shithead gets shot, drop paper, and let CFD take them to the hospital where we pay all the medical bills. Afterwards, roll back to station eat, watch TV, workout. Let them slaughter each other.
It sounds like carrying a knife would be a really good plan. Nobody wants to close on a guy with a knife and you can't shoot him. The new rule is, don't bring a gun to a knife fight.;^)
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Ray Hamilton has made his way back to CPD after 5 yrs plus on a leave of absence. Wonder if tactical Barbie will be making a come back too ?
9/24/2016 06:28:00 AM
Wasn't he under investigation when he fled?
9/24/2016 12:25:00 PM
Only in the CPD can you get demoted under one regime, re-promoted under the next, demoted and re-promoted again. Right T-Dub???
All of your former sins are automatically forgiven when the new guard comes in.
-former 253
Can the officer shoot themself or will they be sanctioned for that too
"Man! We were PIONEERS of the FETAL movement!"
9/24/2016 03:48:00 PM
You were on patrol, ascertaining the situation in the area.
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It's crazier than the Seattle plan of setting up a perimeter on every man with a gun call. What next, cpd prayer groups on every corner like penny Trahanas wanted
Chicago's beautiful downtown: Saturday 7:30pm Millenium Park wine tasting. 54 yr old guy walking with friends to train, shot in head. Maybe we need a curfew starting 3pm until noon, that'll leave 3 hours for the fools to wake up, walk to the store to 'pick up' their necessities, and get home, hopefully without shooting anyone.
Or will the news spin this to somehow pin the blame on the police?
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WTF?????
Counter that order. When confronted by ANYONE with a weapon - SHOOT TO KILL.
What has happened in the last eight years in this Asshole country??????
When did this country become the Unites States of Pussified Pacifists?
Does ANYONE know the meaning of leadership anymore?
Send EVERYONE of these politicians - both men AND WOMEN - to Marine Boot camp, those who make it through can still be a politician, those who don't - cannot go back to being a politician.
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It's called Obama; that sentiment starts with our leadership in Washington . That's what happened last eight years .
Stay fetal, my friends... stay fetal!!!
911 Operator: "911. What's your emergency?"
CALLER:"There is a man with a gun on the street."
911 OPERATOR: "Has he shot anyone yet?"
CALLER:"No."
911 OPERATOR: "When he leaves the area, please call us back . Be ready to tell us how many persons he shot. Thank you. Your cooperation is appreciated. Have a nice day."
Click.
Northbound on King Dr.and rolling up to light at Oakwood on midnights. !980's and during the tech 9 era. Shots from Ida B. a block away. Well, not just shots. A dozen plus semi-automatic bursts of gun fire definitely from multiple guns.
Look at each other and make a leisurely U-turn and drive southbound down King into the still of the night.
We weren't "running away."
We were being fetal at a slow pace moving in the opposite direction.
Man! We were PIONEERS of the FETAL movement!
Nah, you were the Pioneers of the De-Escalation Movement of Policing.
Instead of "Serve and Protect" It's now "Swerve and Deflect"
To anyone thinking of coming on this Department now: Don't!!!!
You could very well say that in this instance, the LAPD is following Chiraq's lwead. Our Aviation Police "Run & Hide Until The Shooting Stops" motto has been I'm effect for many years now. Isn't it great to see our city lead the way with such innovative law and order policies for a change?
But Aviation SECURITY isn't LAPD. Aviation doesn't have guns, shouldn't even be called Police, should be security as their job title is. Now, help me with these bags I have, guard..
Oh, BTW, those 5 point stars may be turning into round badges sooner than you think...
Just wait and see what happenes if hillary wins!
Not so surprising considering it's The Peoples Republik of Kalifornia. This would be just one more Criminal Friendly and outright goofy laws Leftist Libtards have similarly enacted for the peons to obey, like one of my faves: 'Duty To Retreat'. (yeah, right, NOT!)
Remember the brouhaha that erupted after George Zimmerman defended himself against 'St Skittles' (Trayvon Martin), the leftists demanding that Stand Your Ground & Castle Doctrine Laws be immediately repealed - those laws are Racist ya know (figure that out). That Duty Retreat Laws like New York and other Liberal Utopias have be enacted instead.
So it was really only a matter of time before the rabble got into a position of authority somewhere to where they could force that 'Retreat' bullshit onto the Police too.
You can save your life or save your job, but you cannot do both, Nice choice....
We have come a long way. in 1886 John Bonfield, A Chicago police captain who held the rank of Inspector which was the first deputy of the day, was known for his physical response to agitators. His self-proclaimed slogan was, "The club today saves the bullet tomorrow." I think he had a better way of dealing with problem children.
Didn't Cline try to or fire a few officers for cowardice?
I am confused are now suppose to run to the gunfire or run away from it?
Do exactly what the DOJ wants
No on view activity
No pat downs unless you see the outline of a weapon
Respond , observe , no complainant , keep on driving
Chitcawgo might hit 600 dead and 5,000 shot
sly foxx if elected will release more criminals than anita banana and prosecute police to keep her voting base happy , no convictions because police do not commit crimes
See I told you guys that is a Killer Rabbit with big long pointy teeth.! Hey lets send the Rabbit in to deal with the scum bags! There are more Rabbits where that one came from! And PETA will defend the Rabbits! A silly nurse owner of a Dead Parrot!
"Squad, My partner and I were just chased by a person with a knife. 19 Paul it and can we get travel time to our lunch location".
So LAPD can't shoot a knife-wielding suspect, and CPD can't shoot at a vehicle-wielding suspect. This nation has gone nuts coast-to-coast. Police work is a thing of the past.
What about the "non-lethal weapons" the departments are supposed to have and have had for years?
06:43am - If they are only security, why does the Aviation Police attend the police academy and qualify with firearms? Given the amount of airport attacks, shouldn't they be armed and carry out their duties? Your skewed logic leads me to believe that you are a gold star exempt or a Lie-tenant waiting to get promoted.
Retired .38 spl +P
"Squad, My partner and I were just chased by a person with a knife. 19 Paul it and can we get travel time to our lunch location".
9/25/2016 09:55:00 PM
No, make sure you to a TRR before you go to lunch because you were assaulted.
when we run do we have to serpentine....if i cant see it, its not happenning
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