Great Idea!
If only someone had suggested this years ago....like hundreds of our readers:
- There was talk at the academy of making 50+ lieutenants in February or March so everyone would have three on each watch. They want to go back to the old watch commander system
Not only a Watch Commander, how about a Desk Sergeant? The two-level review process can only improve things.
You know, this place would improve by leaps and bounds simply by dismantling just about everything J-Fled and McCompStat put in place.
You know, this place would improve by leaps and bounds simply by dismantling just about everything J-Fled and McCompStat put in place.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
115 Comments:
Old ideas with new bullshit slathered all over it.
Even with 3 lieutenants on a watch, the troops will never see one except at the beginning and at the end of the tour (?). And if there is more than one working the other(s) are ducking. Was always nice to see the Field Lieutenant from the previous day doing his/her log the next day in the WC office from the logs of the Field Sergeants, yet the sgts and coppers had to hand in their logs and humpers in at check off. And when the WC and Lt worked, the WC would duck the LT would cover, and then the LT would duck when the oncoming WC for the next watch showed up; never mind about going back on the street. Yet the bosses are so worried about the coppers scamming.
Damn straight SCC!!
Plus firing the cheaters would boost my morale!
This would make sense that's why it won't happen
Good 12 is the only district I see that lets the Sgt. sit in the Lts. office. Kick all those ghost "car" people working the desk out on the street.
3 Lts on a watch is a stupid idea without a Capt on the watch they will all be fighting
Amen to that!
not new, its in the 2017 budget
Only the Noblest will be made meritorious, one bar elites in the organization.
Careful what you wish for.......
Wow I should be a real Sgt. for all the on the job training as the acting desk Sgt. I've done in my plus 30!
Speaking as a retired W C I can tell you a good desk sgt makes it all happen. Ensures proper court papers are ready, keeps an eye on the lock up and desk, and is the go to problem solver for everyone. Also helpful to the W C when preparing packages. It wasn't broke , they should not have tried to fix it.
"3 Lts on a watch is a stupid idea without a Capt on the watch they will all be fighting"
It did happen But The Commander let it be known who was the WC and he or she was in charge of the watch
Yes, lets bring back an old tired system of political and racist spoils that worked, but surely did not work at the best level, a system that no other major police department in the country has ever used and will not use. Sergeants are the backbone of any organization and they should be given greater power and authority, not go back to the old system where they were disrespected. No need for a political hack captain on every watch.
Actually, the discussion is about making Capts watch commanders again. It's a ridiculous idea. Just have 1 Lt on each watch like other large PDs. They think that when Capts were WCs, there was more activity, so... Make more Capts. Unbelievable.
An angry McCompstat was on The O'Reielly Factor last night spewing his opinion on what's wrong with the Chicago police department. He forgot to mention what a failure he was and how an egomaniacal softball should not have been the Mayor's first choice.
Hey O'Rielly, he was fired not pushed aside. He was fired because made mistake after mistake because he never listened or learned from his mistakes. He was an arrogant fool.
All these white shirts, but not enough blue shirts. Remember the days when every car was manned. When you had early and late rapid cars?
Until they fix the top, the district's will still be a mess.
With GPS it would be interesting if the traditional "Duck System" would work. Remember one of the premises of being a Lieutenant in the Districts is that it is a part-time job. IAD or Inspectors could be deployed, and it might work. Of course you would have to burn a couple of "Lietenants" initially just to show the process was legit, and make examples of them. And Anointed Bosses would have to be warned in advance that an area was being targeted by Inspectors. If all of that was taken into consideration; Yep, what's Old is New. Unique? Meanwhile Fu&k Rahm. Baby"G"
Special Ed has been talking about this for months, must be a reason (city hall) they haven't done this already. Plus, you need a Captain at the helm otherwise you have a bunch of Lt. all doing their own thing. Removing the clear chain of command was one of the worst decisions they ever made on this Dept. I don't know who's in charge, changes day to day.
need more blue shirts,dets,and ets!
If arrest are down why would we need more supervisors?
Special Ed just trying to get his PEEPS in before he is shit canned. More white shirts more clouted in do nothing spots.
So who's in charge the one with seniority? To much arguing you need a captain to be in charge by rank. Shitcan the XO nonsense an admin Sgt can run front office that's why there is a commander in the first place.
At least save the day spots for bosses that have earned it. Nothing worse than a goof reinventing the wheel with 5 years as a blue shirt. The special bosses that try to teach you how to handle a simple job after coming out of,a,7 year white shirt inside position lmao.
Let's go back a few more years, get rid of steady watches.
It was a great system, each Lt. Would get a 3rd day off, carried working but a beat guy would need to put a slip in for 2 hours. Back in the day the Capt. Would take off right after the last roll call. We had a Captain who would put a Sportscar over his uniform and hit Rush Street until they closed then come back. Horrible thought that the system is going backwards
They will need to promote sergeants first. There are not enough sergeants in IAD to fill all those positions.
3 lieutenants is nonsense. I worked a Westside district for over a decade and when we had 2 leitenants on the watch they would work out a schedule that best fit them. One would come in 4 hours late and the other would leave 4 early. More doesnt mean mean better.
Let's be honest.....there are way too many X/Os out there. I can see one in the districts to work over overlapping shifts with the D/C or to cover on furloughs of W/Cs but these X/Os in the detective areas and farther up the chain with the chiefs, deputy chiefs and so on are a complete waste of time....space...Money ...and authority.
Why does a Chief need an X/O to direct the deputy chiefs?
Too many CLOUT jobs for CLOUT babies.
Maybe if you had the right person in the right job you wouldn't need to pull people from other units to do your CLOUT babies job.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Even with 3 lieutenants on a watch, the troops will never see one except at the beginning and at the end of the tour (?). And if there is more than one working the other(s) are ducking. Was always nice to see the Field Lieutenant from the previous day doing his/her log the next day in the WC office from the logs of the Field Sergeants, yet the sgts and coppers had to hand in their logs and humpers in at check off. And when the WC and Lt worked, the WC would duck the LT would cover, and then the LT would duck when the oncoming WC for the next watch showed up; never mind about going back on the street. Yet the bosses are so worried about the coppers scamming.
12/13/2016 12:40:00 AM
Moral of the story, study hard and become a Lt
Anonymous Anonymous said...
3 Lts on a watch is a stupid idea without a Capt on the watch they will all be fighting
12/13/2016 03:01:00 AM
This is the first step towards that in 2018 when the Capt contract expires. Overloading the Lt rank in preparation for promoting about 44 more Captains and putting one on each watch. No more XO. The 3w Captain would double as the XO when the Commander is off.
Boy cheaters really do win!
get in to a messy shooting, and the Dept will dig up complaints from a dozen years ago?
http://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/cop-who-fatally-shot-kajuan-raye-was-under-investigation-in-2004/
Put three lieutenants on each watch with one designated as the WC. Get rid of Commanders and have a Captain run the district.
Black aldermen upset they couldn't doll out even more?
http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/alderman-accuses-law-department-of-holding-back-information/
How about captains as watch commanders. Put them to work.
This is a horrible idea...two lieutenants, two ways the watch is run. No one is on the same page, total lack of communication. Adding a third lieutenant would only make things worse, one undermining the other. Total bs reason to promote more ball less strokes. We have one really good lieutenant and 1 who is a stroke, the stroke has more time so he changes shit all the time just because. Total nonsense!!!! Just gonna make people more miserable.
Bring back the Desk. Sgt. and acting Desk Sgt.
Then again the city still owes me about $3K from all the denied out of grade slips from a few years back!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Only the Noblest will be made meritorious, one bar elites in the organization.
Careful what you wish for.......
12/13/2016 05:18:00 AM
Yep. That NOBLE POS Gene Williams will still b pulling lots of strings from his retirement perch.
We need more boots on the street......not more over promoted self centered, kiss ass, political hacks.
Good idea! Probably won't work...
J.J.
Hey guys I will be following Dart around to his meet the citizens Bullshit.He has fucked with my CCL by objection, I would like to object to his Mayoral pursuit. He will be in Palos Dec.14th is it true that he has 500 missing ? You want to fuck with Dart ? Here I am, give me some Ammo..SCC I can be the Republican version of J'O Green..
It also gives a house cat a change to fill in the Desk Sgt. spot for the D-3 pay when the Sgt. is off. Just another way to pay the suck holes off for being a suck hole.
12:40, that is so true, also remember the desk sgt. was in charge of everything while the WC and the lt. went to lunch (or wherever).
Anonymous Anonymous said...
3 Lts on a watch is a stupid idea without a Capt on the watch they will all be fighting
12/13/2016 03:01:00 AM
The 3 lieutenant idea was tried in Austin years ago. The title was "watch operations lieutenant." Yes there was infighting at times. A clear cut chain of command is needed. That means rank and the captain should come back.
It's the only part of the Dept wheel the eggheads didn't reinvent yet.
But for example, look how well CAPS 2.0 is working.
Three Non-Merit Lts per Watch, the Merit Lts go right to 35th St and Specialized Units (a prerequisite for Exempt).
Way too many bosses at HQ that claim no responsibility for the state of the Department, blame District Patrol.
District life was never a dream job, it's just there to collect what shit that rolls down the 35th St hill.
Nothing can be accomplished until manpower returns to a "days of yore" ...steady and maintained 13,500.
First, dump Rahm's and his Democrat politicized meddling. He's not qualified to run the city, let alone the CPD.
He fails to identify the source of the violence and has no plan to combat the problems. All talk - No action.
Then dump Spudhead Ed for the same reasons as above. Then try bringing back integrity into the promotional process and can the social promotions.
Rebuild the Department sans the obama mandate of a Task Force on 21st Century Policing. There's barely a 19th Century mentality in the communities that have the most violence. Treat the disease not the symptom.
If in doubt - stay fetal until disciplinary actions are waived.
Capt, 2 Lt's, Desk Sgt. What was the problem? I saw it work for 30 years, until a JO from New York and a ballerina from the North Shore fucked it all up.♠️
Way off topic but interesting....Cook County States Attorney just issued a directive that essentially states that when approving felony shoplifting charges...the defendant must have 10 felony conviction S on his record to be considered.
The system right now is so f'ed up. Sgt's are acting as DSS and approving time off then it is rejected when the Lt comes back from his days off. Sgt's acting as DSS are assigning other sgt's tasks which absolutely breeds animosity. It's a broken system with no real clear cut chain of command. Nobody really knows who's the boss anymore at the watch level. It used to be captain was the man. He had the final say. Now you have 2 Lts that argue with each other over what to do on the watch. It's horrible. If there was one thing I would say would help the dept the most as far as internally, it would be to bring back a captain as the watch commander on each watch. May cost a little money initially, but the payoff will come down the road when an incident occurs and there's 3 levels of oversight. Sgt, Lt, Capt.
The problem is that the Lts have been written out of a job other than just approving the A&As and approving or denying time due. It's a great job where u come and go as u want because the sergeants do all the work. One thing this restructuring has demonstrated is that captains were not needed and are overpaid. They literally did nothing except maybe sign an arrest report other than that they got catered too and got their asses kissed. Captains are not needed on the watch, all you need is 1 Lieutenant and the Sergeants can handle the rest. Now
If ur goona change it fine, just pay for out of grade for all involved. Signed 3 yrs left......
Too many merit chiefs and not enough indians. We have bossholes that were never the the police running the show now! We have the tiny dancer that is clueless on how to fight crime. We have special Ed that is clueless on how to fight crime. We have merit clueless exempts that were never the police, this is especially true of granny Clamplet. We have cheating Noble Lie-tenants that are useless.
Crime is out of control so lets make more never been the police Lieutenants to show us how to stop crime. Show us how writing ISR"s will stop crime. Show us how to cater to God less supporters of the burning of the American flag(ACLU).
Make no mistake about it. The tiny dancer has orchestrated this from the beginning. He has single handily allowed crime to escalate. He doesn't give a flying fuck about CPD nor does he know how to run a big city. He just wants to nickle and dime everything. He can't run a police department so he wants to destroy it because we see him for what he is. A self serving bully who is a coward when backed up against a wall. Not a single boss hole knows how to stand up to this sniveling coward. Only the blue shirts make him eat his words by staying fetal. He wants more merit lieutenants for what reason? Must be to keep the blue shirts in line. It certainly is not to bring crime down.
Anonymous said...
3 Lts on a watch is a stupid idea without a Capt on the watch they will all be fighting
12/13/2016 03:01:00 AM
I agree 100%!!
You need a Captain!
This idea of Lt's running the show is a total failure!
NOBLE, IAD, great test takers........not necessarily qualified candidates. Don't forget the Superintendent's preference to fill meritorious spots. And the circle continues.
I'm a Sgt and I work the DSS position in a fast District. I believe they need to bring back the Captain position on the watch, because he or she is the Captain and the Ship stay afloat or Sinks with the Captain. Current practice is, two Leuitant's and that means two separate individuals that want things done differently. One may follow directives closers to the Rules and the other may not. This is a hurdle for me, because depending on who is working they want things a certain way. On days when there's No Leuitant, I'm going to choose one of the two ways of completing the task, in which the other then is at odds with my decision. I sure miss the Captains Rank, because there is Only One Way of doing things, the Buck Stops there and he's going to Man Up to it, because it's his S.O.P.
WTF!
Pres.-elect TRUMP meets with his "friend" KANYE WEST!!!
Oh, to be a fly on the Donald's wall.
Not sure why we need a lt at all. Sgts do all the work anyway...
hey ssc please print a big shout out to the phoenix, az police department , you guys and girls are rock starts
Published: 09:52 EST, 12 December 2016 | Updated: 10:15 EST, 12 December 2016
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A group of Arizona police officers are being credited with going above and beyond the call of duty by helping a single mom and her son have a Christmas.
Kirsten May, a 25-year-old single mother from Phoenix, was so close to eviction that she had started to prepare to live in her car with her four-year-old son, Nicholas.
'I lost my job. I lost daycare. I was completely at rock bottom,' May told NBC News.
That was until the Phoenix Police Department stepped in to help. You could call it a Christmas miracle of sorts. And the miracle, provided by officers with the Phoenix Police Department helped a single mom who was in dire straits get a Christmas tree and much more to share with her young son.
According to KPNX-TV in Phoenix, a tip led officers Jason Harris, Brian Peters and Ben Carro to Kirsten May, a single mom who had recently lost her job and was just days away from eviction from her apartment.
"I lost my job," May told the TV station. "I lost daycare. I was completely at rock bottom."
Here's what the police officers did. They contacted a fellow officer, Manuel Reyes who works at Home Depot as an off-duty officer and he in turn worked with a manager at the store to get a Christmas tree for the family, which is Kay and her 4-year old son.
And there's more.
The officers are going to surround that tree with Xmas gifts and toys for Nicholas, so he'll have presents to unwrap Christmas morning.
And there's more. A group called Angels on Patrol is covering May's rent through the month, which allows her some breathing room to try and figure out her next move.
And one more piece of good news. Kay found a new job so she'll be able to afford rent on her own soon.
greatjob phoenix,az pd
Great 3 Lts working part time hours. No need for it. They're hardly there
OT- http://chicagocop.com/resources/documents_archive/annual_reports/cpd_annual_reports/Chicago%20Police%20Department%20Annual%20Report%20-%201893.pdf
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Even with 3 lieutenants on a watch, the troops will never see one except at the beginning and at the end of the tour (?). And if there is more than one working the other(s) are ducking. Was always nice to see the Field Lieutenant from the previous day doing his/her log the next day in the WC office from the logs of the Field Sergeants, yet the sgts and coppers had to hand in their logs and humpers in at check off. And when the WC and Lt worked, the WC would duck the LT would cover, and then the LT would duck when the oncoming WC for the next watch showed up; never mind about going back on the street. Yet the bosses are so worried about the coppers scamming.
12/13/2016 12:40:00 AM
Exactly. More pay and less hours. What a scam. The white shirts would be crying if we swiped. Wouldn't matter for lowly watch guys. They work the hours their paid for.
Just like Chicago coppers are leaving and the elected are flustered:
http://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/community/dallas/article120589238.html
Bad management and bad policy just like here!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Even with 3 lieutenants on a watch, the troops will never see one except at the beginning and at the end of the tour (?). And if there is more than one working the other(s) are ducking. Was always nice to see the Field Lieutenant from the previous day doing his/her log the next day in the WC office from the logs of the Field Sergeants, yet the sgts and coppers had to hand in their logs and humpers in at check off. And when the WC and Lt worked, the WC would duck the LT would cover, and then the LT would duck when the oncoming WC for the next watch showed up; never mind about going back on the street. Yet the bosses are so worried about the coppers scamming.
12/13/2016 12:40:00 AM
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I really hope you're not a Sgt!
Put on your big boy pants & stop crying! 😢
Working here is like being the excop on Walking Dead.
I remember when I was a cop but now I just try to survive while surrounded by zombies!
Didn't they try that back in 1996 when CAPS was first introduced? They eliminated the rank of Captain in favor of a watch operations lieutenant and a field operations lieutenant? Lots of watch conflict was the result. When that experiment failed, they brought back the rank of Captain (SES). For watch continuity and morale... one guy (or gal) needs to be the unquestioned boss in charge.
The problem with mid-management and upper management on the CPD is no accountability. CPD managers believe they should only make sure all boxes are filled on reports rather than reviewing the content of the narrative or the investigative process.
In my 25 years I have yet to see a supervisor ask an intelligent question as to the direction of an investigation or question it; i.e. McDonald shooting. Just sign and done. Make over 6 figures without accountability. A manager at McDonald's has more accountability. What a joke.
First, as screwed up as Weis or McCarthy had things in their own regard, let's not act like all the Chicago bosses have it right. This place has not exactly been looking up in the past year since the NYC experiment ended. The current administration is overloaded with Merit HACKS, not good quality Merit picks, but HACKS. The majority fail at every level of leadership and police skills.
Earned not given.......my ass.
Second, every district and every watch has been doing their own thing since well before any outside interference. Anyone that has ever processed an arrest or requested time off or any number of other task in more than one place over the past 30 years can't deny that fact.
Third, some stroke boss will read this and get his/her panties in a bunch and take it out on some blue shirt looking for a day off, sorry. We are lead by weak, spineless, political, cowards. A small handful fall outside that realm and it is a rare treat if you get to work under their supervision.
Fuck the humpers and the number crunchers, do your job and do it well. Not for them and not for a "quota", just do the right thing at the right time.
Old school? Nope not hardly, this departemnt ha sbeen wrecked and ruined by so many for so long the only mode worth believing in is "self preservation" the gold stars and clout kids get promoted and really does anyone care anymore?
10 coppers retiring every week in Dallas gee wonder what we are up to?:
http://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/community/dallas/article120589238.html
The insanity of it all, rahm boasts today with his big mouth about the 100 recruits starting today what bullshit! We are down how many mayor? How many 2-3,000 best estimate. What about that fake promise about all the new vehicles where are they? We know your valets just got brand new gas hogging not green tahoes and suburbans to cart your ass around!
More Ducks!
1 Lt per watch , relief Lt assigned to areas , when Lt is day off , one lt will be rotated to fill in
assign one captain per watch at the Area , 12 hour shifts , relief Captains assigned to Patrol Division and fill in Areas as needed
less white shirts , more accountability
It was a great system, each Lt. Would get a 3rd day off, carried working but a beat guy would need to put a slip in for 2 hours. Back in the day the Capt. Would take off right after the last roll call. We had a Captain who would put a Sportscar over his uniform and hit Rush Street until they closed then come back. Horrible thought that the system is going backwards
12/13/2016 07:46:00 AM
A Sportscar?! What did he do on Rush street? Strongman contest?
All I want is to be "appointed" Captain so I can retire and cash out ALL of my hours at Captains pay....We do need a Captain on each watch because some Lts let the title "Watch Operations Lt" go to their head. Fortunately I work with good Lts and we don't have those big egos............
Way off topic but interesting....Cook County States Attorney just issued a directive that essentially states that when approving felony shoplifting charges...the defendant must have 10 felony conviction S on his record to be considered.
12/13/2016 11:46:00 AM
Are you referring to upgrades based on history, or even based on amount? Just wait until word gets out in the neighborhoods; Saks was already having a hard time holding onto those $500 Prada belts. Remember, people steal out of necessity and the need to make ends meet...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Bring back the Desk. Sgt. and acting Desk Sgt.
Then again the city still owes me about $3K from all the denied out of grade slips from a few years back!
12/13/2016 09:12:00 AM
I hope you documented and saved everything. FOP put on their grievance hearing for out of grade desk Sgt a cpl months ago with a few people testifying, a guy from 011 was their star witness and from what I heard he hit a grand slam with his testimony. Their just waiting now to hear back with the arbitrators decision. Hope you actually did grievances though because I heard many didn't, that their relying on keeping track in their fop book or on a calendar. If they win you'd prob need to show that you grieved it in the alloted time allowed. Goood luck!!!
We have done the lieutenant run watch experiment before and it failed. We need W/C's not XO'S doing nothing but aspiring for a gold star if the kiss their commanders ass enough. If you were going to keep the rank of Captain then make them watch Commanders. If not watch commanders then eliminate the rank again like they did in the late nineties
Just what we need. More merit lieu tents. A fucking useless rank. Rarely where they are supposed to be and when they are they don't do shit. No wonder these fucks never retire.
I can count the legit Captain and Lieutenants I worked for on one hand. Moving forward with this batch of Lieutenants, do any better.do you think we will
'm a Sgt and I work the DSS position in a fast District. I believe they need to bring back the Captain position on the watch, because he or she is the Captain and the Ship stay afloat or Sinks with the Captain. Current practice is, two Leuitant's and that means two separate individuals that want things done differently. One may follow directives closers to the Rules and the other may not. This is a hurdle for me, because depending on who is working they want things a certain way. On days when there's No Leuitant, I'm going to choose one of the two ways of completing the task, in which the other then is at odds with my decision. I sure miss the Captains Rank, because there is Only One Way of doing things, the Buck Stops there and he's going to Man Up to it, because it's his S.O.P.
The author must be merit, too stupid to be anything else!
NEWS
Emanuel's police hiring plan at odds with his record
Trump was a great idea and big changes are coming. Stay focused and true to our flag and stay safe. So long Rham you little fuck do nothing joke of a mayor. Who would win a better legacy contest Obama or Rham?
My question is how many arrests Gilmer (FOP) and Graham (019) have in their careers?
And what the traitor obama put in place.
I believe this is called R.H.I.P.
This is a horrible idea...two lieutenants, two ways the watch is run. No one is on the same page, total lack of communication. Adding a third lieutenant would only make things worse, one undermining the other. Total bs reason to promote more ball less strokes. We have one really good lieutenant and 1 who is a stroke, the stroke has more time so he changes shit all the time just because. Total nonsense!!!! Just gonna make people more miserable.
12/13/2016 09:11:00 AM
What's the difference. Cops are done doing police work anyway.
Way off topic but interesting....Cook County States Attorney just issued a directive that essentially states that when approving felony shoplifting charges...the defendant must have 10 felony conviction S on his record to be considered.
12/13/2016 11:46:00 AM
That's only if you are looking for an upgrade because of a prior theft conviction. In all normal counties, because they follow the law, its one prior, in Cook County its now 10 convictions.
Also They also basically said don't even bother calling us for an upgrade unless the loss is over $1000. The law is that it is supposed to be a felony when its over $300.
How cook county gets away without following the law is unbelievable. If I owned a retail establishment in Cook county I would be mad. Perhaps some retail association can take the county to court and force them to follow the law.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Bring back the Desk. Sgt. and acting Desk Sgt.
Then again the city still owes me about $3K from all the denied out of grade slips from a few years back!
12/13/2016 09:12:00 AM
I hope you documented and saved everything. FOP put on their grievance hearing for out of grade desk Sgt a cpl months ago with a few people testifying, a guy from 011 was their star witness and from what I heard he hit a grand slam with his testimony. Their just waiting now to hear back with the arbitrators decision. Hope you actually did grievances though because I heard many didn't, that their relying on keeping track in their fop book or on a calendar. If they win you'd prob need to show that you grieved it in the alloted time allowed. Goood luck!!!
12/13/2016 06:39:00 PM
I hope as desk sgt you were doing the a&a's on the computer and they reflect that.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Way off topic but interesting....Cook County States Attorney just issued a directive that essentially states that when approving felony shoplifting charges...the defendant must have 10 felony conviction S on his record to be considered.
Thats probably UUW's now too😂
VRI is over. Tact and Gangs only gonna get OT for it
The system right now is so f'ed up. Sgt's are acting as DSS and approving time off then it is rejected when the Lt comes back from his days off. Sgt's acting as DSS are assigning other sgt's tasks which absolutely breeds animosity. It's a broken system with no real clear cut chain of command. Nobody really knows who's the boss anymore at the watch level. It used to be captain was the man. He had the final say. Now you have 2 Lts that argue with each other over what to do on the watch. It's horrible. If there was one thing I would say would help the dept the most as far as internally, it would be to bring back a captain as the watch commander on each watch. May cost a little money initially, but the payoff will come down the road when an incident occurs and there's 3 levels of oversight. Sgt, Lt, Capt.
12/13/2016 11:50:00 AM
Again, they are waiting on the contract to expire because of the terminology with watch commander
Desk Sgt always ran the station , no need to bring back captain rank
special ed is looking into a gps chip in every police officers star
geee wheeezie leave your star at work bwahahabwahaha
Speaking of useless XO. Who is the XO in 003. I heard the only thing she's done is Fuck POs over
"Moral of the story, study hard and become a Lt
12/13/2016 08:35:00 AM"
More like find yourself a Chinaman, get yourself promoted. Save the study hard bullcrap for the recruits in the academy.
We don't need 3on ea watch, what a waste. In some districts 2 is too many. We need 1 capt and 1 Lt on ea watch. This department is so wasteful. Every superintendent wants to inflate the bosses. Stop. When there was one Capt and one Lt we all knew who ran the watch. Get the Capt s out of the front office , another waste of manpower.
Demote everyone that was clout promoted black or white. Send them to the streets for 5 years on the south and west side. Let them fix the community they have all the right answers. Lets see if they can pass a real test. Wont happen but is fun to dream. CPD will continue sink until it reaches the level of whale shit.
I don't give a fuck if they put 2 admirals and a dog catcher in charge on each watch......
Pay the insurance for everyone who is maxed out but not yet 55 and I'll leave.
Until then, fuck off!
More bosses are good for all of us blue shirts as a whole. It gives us all a better chance of being promoted. If you aspire to rise above a blue shirt then this is a good thing. Stop your bitching!
"Put three lieutenants on each watch with one designated as the WC. Get rid of Commanders and have a Captain run the district.
12/13/2016 08:47:00 AM"
Wait, wait! I got a wonderful idea! It's YUGE! Let's just take a vote each week on which PO we like best, and he (it'll be a "he" of course) can be commander for the week!
OP, you might possibly be the dumbest MFer I've encountered in 22 years on this job.
Speaking of useless XO. Who is the XO in 003. I heard the only thing she's done is Fuck POs over.
This comment couldn't be farther from the truth. BG was amazing in her time in the 010th dist. Never hurt any POs who didn't step in deep enough shit that their undershirt had to be changed.
Why in the fuck would you want more incompetents running a district. especially with the cheating no good sgt's who never even stepped out of the office except to paste some bullshit training on her kindergarten wall. I will be damn if I ever take orders from POS like wines.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
"Moral of the story, study hard and become a Lt
12/13/2016 08:35:00 AM"
More like find yourself a Chinaman, get yourself promoted. Save the study hard bullcrap for the recruits in the academy.
12/14/2016 02:20:00 AM
I take your point but you can still make Lieutenant by scoring high on the test. I understand you have to wait for all the cheaters to be promoted first but it's still possible to make it on the legit.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Way off topic but interesting....Cook County States Attorney just issued a directive that essentially states that when approving felony shoplifting charges...the defendant must have 10 felony conviction S on his record to be considered.
12/13/2016 11:46:00 AM
That's only if you are looking for an upgrade because of a prior theft conviction. In all normal counties, because they follow the law, its one prior, in Cook County its now 10 convictions.
Also They also basically said don't even bother calling us for an upgrade unless the loss is over $1000. The law is that it is supposed to be a felony when its over $300.
How cook county gets away without following the law is unbelievable. If I owned a retail establishment in Cook county I would be mad. Perhaps some retail association can take the county to court and force them to follow the law.
12/13/2016 10:05:00 PM
I can't believe there are still officers (if you are an officer) that don't understand that the state's attorney decides who to prosecute. Period. It's embarrassing.
VRI is over. Tact and Gangs only gonna get OT for it
12/13/2016 10:50:00 PM
Naw.
That why Safe Summer, Safe City, and then VRI started. The only reason VRI is called VRI is because Garry shit canned Safe City when he first got here, only to realize that he needed it, so he created VRI.
They used to give the OT to TRU, SOS, and OCD. Grievance was filed and that when the current programs started. Tact, Gangs, and SAT have VRE, I think gangs call it something else but it the same program.
Now you have 2 Lts that argue with each other over what to do on the watch....
I almost wish we had that problem, out of the 2 we have, we don't know which is more afraid of their own shadow.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
VRI is over. Tact and Gangs only gonna get OT for it
12/13/2016 10:50:00 PM
Was good while it lasted now hiring more coppers funds the pension this burnout nonsense does not! No loss more family time thank you!
Are you kidding? the two lts on the watches most districts have now never work a full tour of duty. talk about stealing. the lts have been stealing time for years and its been kinda understood but kept quiet. IAD should investigate the midnite shifts for sure. One LT comes in early and leaves after four hours and the other comes in late and works the last four. I wish I could get aways with that!
Anonymous said...
All I want is to be "appointed" Captain so I can retire and cash out ALL of my hours at Captains pay....We do need a Captain on each watch because some Lts let the title "Watch Operations Lt" go to their head. Fortunately I work with good Lts and we don't have those big egos............
12/13/2016 06:31:00 PM
My Lt is getting dumped from days to afternoons in 008 because he is a micro-manager and wants everyone to kiss his ass. Of course he would have to get on a ladder because he's about three and a half feet tall. do widzenia you little goof. Look up Napolean syndrome and its a picture of you. The guys we are getting couldn't be better guys.
Speaking of XO,s.The XO in 019 is a real prize himself.He treats Sgt,s like children coming up with nonsense such as if you want to take Time Due you must find your own replacement or threatening Station Supervisors with a Suspension Day if they miss an ISR on an arrest.Congrats on getting away from this stroke LT M.S..Its too bad that people got in the way before you could knock him on his ass.
""3 Lts on a watch is a stupid idea without a Capt on the watch they will all be fighting""
How can they fight when there will only be one actually there.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Are you kidding? the two lts on the watches most districts have now never work a full tour of duty. talk about stealing. the lts have been stealing time for years and its been kinda understood but kept quiet. IAD should investigate the midnite shifts for sure. One LT comes in early and leaves after four hours and the other comes in late and works the last four. I wish I could get aways with that!
12/14/2016 01:38:00 PM
My district does the same thing. Lt spot is a part time position paid at full salary. Work 4 hours watching TV and internet. Sometimes not show up at all. That's why everyone says Lt is the best spot on the department. No responsibilities with very little hours. IAD is the wrong ones to monitor this. They are CPD and are bosses that are or were Lts at one time.
Just remember this; NO TEST FOR CAPTAIN. 100 % clout! Modern era Captains are are clouted, arrogant, crybabies who bitch if they don't get a gold star or have to work midnights. On top of that they will take more from the already taxed pension fund.
Anonymous said....what?
My district does the same thing. Lt spot is a qpart time position paid at full salary. Work 4 hours watching TV and internet. Sometimes not show up at all. That's why everyone says Lt is the best spot on the department. No responsibilities with very little hours. IAD is the wrong ones to monitor this. They are CPD and are bosses that are or were Lts at one time
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What? IAD only got 3 Lts. Are you saying all those Sgts there used to be Lts or are you saying you really don't know what you're talking about?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
""3 Lts on a watch is a stupid idea without a Capt on the watch they will all be fighting""
How can they fight when there will only be one actually there.
12/14/2016 07:08:00 PM
Right, Fighting over what? When have seen two Lts fighting?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Even with 3 lieutenants on a watch, the troops will never see one except at the beginning and at the end of the tour (?). And if there is more than one working the other(s) are ducking. Was always nice to see the Field Lieutenant from the previous day doing his/her log the next day in the WC office from the logs of the Field Sergeants, yet the sgts and coppers had to hand in their logs and humpers in at check off. And when the WC and Lt worked, the WC would duck the LT would cover, and then the LT would duck when the oncoming WC for the next watch showed up; never mind about going back on the street. Yet the bosses are so worried about the coppers scamming.
12/13/2016 12:40:00 AM
Damn, if you spent as much time studying for the promo test as you do whining about somebody's job benefits then maybe you can be one so you can be useless too.
Job benefits? So stealing is now excepted behavior for LT's. And you want respect from the citizens of Chicago? You get what you earn, you can't steal respect if you could you guys would be Gods.
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