More Chases.....or Else
- Milwaukee Police Chief Ed Flynn has just seven days to amend a policy to allow officers to chase more suspects -- or he could be fired. Flynn says those changes will mean more innocent deaths.
The message from Milwaukee's Fire and Police Commission (FPC) to Chief Flynn is clear: allow officers to chase more suspects on Milwaukee's streets or you may be fired. Under current policy, Milwaukee police do not chase suspects, unless they believe the vehicles are connected to violent crimes.
Critics say bad guys are exploiting the rules, leading to an explosion of vehicles who refuse to stop.
No kidding? Who could have predicted that?
Oh yeah, any cop with more than a day on the street. But no one listened to them when the policies were changed to protect the criminals.
Oh yeah, any cop with more than a day on the street. But no one listened to them when the policies were changed to protect the criminals.
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
75 Comments:
Only a fool chase!! You could be the very person who gets hurt. The car doesn't have roll bars or other designs that will keep you safe. If you want to lose your job, home, life, freedom, money, children, wife/husband, kill incident people and possibly end up in jail. Just chase vehicles. Especially after they tell your @$$ to stop.
I don't chase. I follow.
Glad the Elite Democrat Leadership in Chicago would never do something so stupid.
for what its worth Im against car chases, because, theres no way to safely stop a fleeing vehicle, using another vehicle.
It has to crash or run out of gas Too many innocents lives and coppers lives at stake here
Hahahaha... we have Sgts on this job that terminate chases before the blue lights are even turned on to see if the car will even stop. Yeah right, try again.
The criminals are exploiting it. Too freakin' funny. '
After you stop he chase, how long does it take for the Dirtag to slowdown?
Or does he crash into a taxpayer first?
Slippery Slope.
"We want you to authorize Police chases
so we can fire, sue and imprison more
Policemen if a chase goes bad."
So the liberal nitwits who advocated
for a no chase policy to protect their
urban constituency from The Police,
are now pissed because The Police
aren't chasing and Dude has become
emboldened and regularly takes-off
from traffic stops?
...And these stupid asses expect
what now?
Chase No One.
Stay Employed.
Stay Unindicted &
Unimprisoned.
Be Able To Go Home To
Your Family & Loved Ones
At The End Of Your Shift.
Remember...
People hate you because
you don't willingly take one
on the chin when shit goes
pear shaped.
"Why don't you guys take risks
for us like you used to?"
Unelected Police Chief. Compare him and his policies to the regularly electedMilwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke.
The cops up in Milwaukee had better make sure
that before they start chasing the city gives them
something in writing indemnifying them for punitive
damages. I can see the lawyers salivating already.
Only 2 and 19 before 11 pm Saturday night?
Is it too HOT out there?
Maybe the A/C is saving people by keeping them inside?
What about protecting the public. No chases.
Wow! Usually it is the other way around. The Milwaukee Fire and Police Commission haven't gotten the "Let Them All Go!" Memo from Obama and Lynch?
Even if this happens in Chicago and our weak ass Superintendent obeys and allows us to chase, fuck that, I'm not ending up in the clink for chasing some hot car or anything that takes off on me unless I can absolutely justify the risk of my own demise, such as shots fired at police.
Question from a Minnesotan about the Justine Daman shooting,
Mohammed Noor was a Somali cop that was on the force for two years.
Is it normal to assign a one year rookie as his partner?
If he was so important to Somali Community relations, why was he assigned a beat about as far from the Somali Cedar-Riverside neighborhood as they could get him? Wouldn't you assign him to the center of the Somali Community?
Don't you normally assign beats by seniority? How does a rookie and a two year veteran get the white upper middle class neighborhood for their patrol?
Do you often unholster and hold your firearm in your lap if you are going to patrol an alleyway?
If you unholster your firearm, wouldn't you turn on your body cam and dash cameras at the same time?
Is there a good reason not to turn them on?
Were I Ed Flynn, my response would be:
"Should my officers elect to once again chase fleeing suspects, they have be advised to do so only when they are afforded the benefit of absolute indemnification in the event things go south during said chase".
You White Guilt fucks, liberal snowflakes and BLM apologists wanted it this way, so enjoy the Entitlement Monster you've created.
As for me and the many, many more who know what time it is? Unless it directly involves me, my property, [most] coworkers, good neighbors, close friends or family? IT. AIN'T. HAPPENING. You'll get nothing proactive. NOTHING. Those days have come and gone. I've been in the game way too long and have accumulated sizeable wealth to be listing it all at an Asset Discovery hearing demanded by Dude's bottomfeeder mouthpiece.
Oh, I almost forgot...
FUCK YOU, RAHM!
Milwaukee, another city run by demorats, reaping the seeds of liberalism.
Give the new policy of chasing a year or two and the community activists and families will be clamoring for the police to stop chasing, because bad guys are smashing into too many innocent lives, resulting in great bodily harm or death. And of course the mayor will add his two cents demanding that chases be stopped because the city has to heed the demands of the community, but in reality because the city is bleeding money in law suits from innocents dying from police chases.
The bad guys? They will keep doing what they have always done, whether in Milwaukee, Chicago, Baltimore or other city, fleeing from the police from simple traffic violations or other more serious crime.
Chase them or don't chase them. The cops are still left out hanging to dry with the cities not supporting the cops when push comes to shove due to chases gone bad.
So when the criminals find out that there are no repercussions for their behavior, they are likely to commit more crime??
No way
Hahahahahaha! Oh wait, Chicagos use of force is about to change big time. People will be getting killed in record numbers next year.
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Anyone know if it's true Cindy shame and crazy Kim in Mass Trans aka salt and pepper parked in a handicap parking space with unmarked squad car, than went to lunch, forcing a lady in wheel chair to park two blocks away, you go girl friends!! It's you're time!
May not be too long before they start clamoring for more Police. Wonder what's going on? Are the coddled classes biting the hand that feeds them?
You've made your bed, now lay in it!
J.J.
I worked with a SGT who got killed in a car accident,The saddest thing was watching his young son crying his eyes out at the Funeral.
There trying to help you STAY FETAL boys and girls............Listen to them and go home not under indictment to your family,collect a check on the 1st and 16th and let the assholes kill each other !!!!!!
Yah hey dere Mr. Criminal, stop your car or you are in trouble, you betcha.
Why would you chase for anything? To are liable when they crash. No thanks.
Unelected Police Chief. Compare him and his policies to the regularly elected Cook County Sheriff Tom Dart.
Yo see how that works? Just because you are an appointed Police Chief it doesn't make it a bad thing and just because you are an regularly elected Sheriff it doesn't make it a good thing.
PS- I like neither Dart or Flynn.
I hate it when the inspectors chase me when I'm shopping out of the district.
Unelected Police Chief. Compare him and his policies to the regularly electedMilwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke.
Yeah, let's compare Flynn to Clarke...Clarke's Milwaukee County jail is under heavy investigation/scrutiny for four recent deaths which have occurred in his jail. That's a lot of in-custody deaths, which have included an infant born inside of the jail that died hours later and a mentally ill man who was denied any water for 7 days. Whatever you have to say about Flynn, I bet he hasn't had anything close to that number of in-custody deaths inside of his jails. Hell, Trump has even rejected a so-called 'job offer' to bring Clarke into the DHS.
And there is a good chance that even if he runs for re-election, Clarke could very well lose a future election.
Why chase anyone today? Kimmie and company will let them free or they will get a low bond by our awesome cook county judges the next day.
12:20 am.....each and every time you hear that sergeant come over the air you should stop and thank him for keeping your ass from ending up on the wrong side of slamming bars,
Hahahaha... we have Sgts on this job that terminate chases before the blue lights are even turned on to see if the car will even stop. Yeah right, try again.
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Suntimes,
Cops targeted Chicago’s most violent ‘beat.’ So crime moved next door.
no shit, what did you expect when you put up a camera and tell them you are watching them and you are short 2000+ officers since Rham took office. remember the moto, do more with less. The bad guys exploit that, but that wasn't factored in the liberal assessment. Sucks to be the one who lives next door.
Maybe this has been mentioned before, but couldn't the Chase Liability Issue be solved by a simple LAW in each state?
A law absolving the Police Dept, the City - town, municipality, etc, and the Individual Police Officer from all Liability, aka: damages, involved with a Fleeing Suspect who crashes a vehicle and Kills someone? And that any Civil Lawsuit for damages could only be filed against the Fleeing Suspect who actually killed a person, and or sue his 'estate' if he dies in a crash when Fleeing the Police.
It's insane that someone, or an entity, gets dragged into civil court when they didn't do a God..Damned..Thing! They didn't make the suspect Flee, they didn't crash the car, and they sure as hell didn't kill anyone!
Yeah, I know, that'd put a huge dent in the Ghetto Lottery as the suspect is likely broke, but that's the friggen breaks.
I'm not chasing anyone. You made this bed now lie in it.
If you are thinking about chasing any kind of decent car out there, first look at what YOUare driving.
Most likely its a crapped out SUV with 6 figure miles on it. Any car worth stealing or being driven by a never do well is going to have a power-to-weight ratio that will laugh at you…
So if the car comes up stolen and takes off on you, just do the Supp Report.
Q: are the Cubs gonna catch fire this year?
CFD: not as long as they wear NOMEX uniforms.
It just typical with these do gooders, they take a workable solution to a place that causes chaos and the criminals benefit. In stead of finding a balance with chasing a vehicle, they put a policy that is doomed not to work. And every punk just rides away to fuck-up another day.
I put the guy under protective surveillance in an
attempt to document the car with my dash cam.
I observed him breaking the posted speed limit,
running red lights, failing to stop at 4-ways, not
yielding to pedestrians, failing to use turn signals,
littering from a moving vehicle, and driving on the
wrong side of the road.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Hahahahahaha! Oh wait, Chicagos use of force is about to change big time. People will be getting killed in record numbers next year.
7/23/2017 02:56:00 AM
This is true and it's going to be fun to watch, however, let me remind you boys and girls, "its much better telling a jury your story then laying on a slab with a tag on your stupid toe".
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Hahahahahaha! Oh wait, Chicagos use of force is about to change big time. People will be getting killed in record numbers next year.
7/23/2017 02:56:00 AM
Your now just like a civilian when it comes to deadly force. Don't shooting anyone running away from you, with the exception of someone who raped your mother.
It's all about the "Safety of the Children..."
Scc big news coming from35th st forthenew use of force.
Twome weapons being introduced
1. Sling shot that hurdles peppers pellets so that active resistors can be controlled with distance and
2. A net system that can free throws at a distance of30 feet so that minimal injury result on offender.
Can't wait to deploy these. Oh, by the way this will eventually eliminate the taser pepper spray
And guns
" If the rule you followed brought you to this, of what use was the rule?"
– Anton Chigurh
The merit hack CPD leadership, on the advice of pandering elected political hacks keep adjusting the Rules to conform to the lawless actions of those with the biggest mouths, committing the most crimes and seemingly owed an entitlement.
If the felon you chased brought you to disciplinary action, of what good was the arrest?
Stay fetal until The People vote out the radical Elected.
Do you often unholster and hold your firearm in your lap if you are going to patrol an alleyway?
If you unholster your firearm, wouldn't you turn on your body cam and dash cameras at the same time?
Is there a good reason not to turn them on?
7/23/2017 01:21:00 AM
And, why would you drive into the middle of an ambush, if that is the circumstance you felt was going to happen? Park, walk apprehensively and quietly and observe as you proceed. Also, in this instance of a suspected sexual assault in progress, the 911 call taker should have remained on the line with the complainant. Lots of things went wrong and the wrong guy was assigned to the call. It was a perfect storm. RIP Justine Damond.
District Drones. They are cheaper then a helicopter, quicker to launch, have them in multiple locations, a few in the air at all times and most important, you can get an event number for a "drone mission." Only problem is that the liberal/progressives will scream about big brother watching.
Who in their right mind is chasing suspects in this current political climate?
Adrenaline dumps are a hell of a thing to experience and regardless of how heinous the suspect is it will be the officers getting thrown to the wolves when it ends badly.
If leftists really wanted to save children and the planet, they would demand the government immediately pass a law that all vehicles immediately have a governor be placed in them, limiting their top speed to 35 miles per hour.
Such a thing will save countless lives and millions of gallons of gas and prevent the earth from boiling or freezing, depending upon which environmental belief one holds.
There is no reason to have high capacity killer cars, killing people and killing our planet.
Pension board ballot, any ideas on these guys?
I used to like the adrenaline rush of a good chase back in the '80's. never cracked up a squad car, and never had the offenders hurt an innocent. Quite a few wrapped around a tree or light pole though. I realize that these pc times are much different. i'm a dinosaur and it was fun, but God help you if you try it now.
Be Safe and Smart Officers.Please.
Still won't chase anybody either way. Not worth the bullshit that comes with it. Do your job and still get thrown under the political greyhound bus. FUCK that!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Hahahaha... we have Sgts on this job that terminate chases before the blue lights are even turned on to see if the car will even stop. Yeah right, try again.
7/23/2017 12:20:00 AM
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Thank God for those Sgts who are looking out for the youth of the dept. if you even think a chase makes sense you are wet behind the ears.
Even if they change the rules to allow chasing again. I still wouldn't. The entire responsibility rests on your shoulders and zero responsibility on the city or department. Offer me full 100% indemnity from criminal prosecution and civil litigation. Then I will chase. Do you think that will happen? No. Then do not fucking chase.
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/baltimore-homicide-rate-has-officials-pointing-fingers/ar-AAoEJQ4?li=BBnbcA1
Once again, the criminals have more rights than us regular fools.
Harshen the fuck out of the penalties and go for the max everytime snd this gutter trash will be in jail.
Fuck you rahm.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Question from a Minnesotan about the Justine Daman shooting,
Mohammed Noor was a Somali cop that was on the force for two years.
Is it normal to assign a one year rookie as his partner? Yes
If he was so important to Somali Community relations, why was he assigned a beat about as far from the Somali Cedar-Riverside neighborhood as they could get him? How in the fuck would we know
Wouldn't you assign him to the center of the Somali Community? No
Don't you normally assign beats by seniority? No you do not
How does a rookie and a two year veteran get the white upper middle class neighborhood for their patrol? Luck of the draw
Do you often unholster and hold your firearm in your lap if you are going to patrol an alleyway? If I feel my safety is in jeopardy, then, yes
If you unholster your firearm, wouldn't you turn on your body cam and dash cameras at the same time? No
Is there a good reason not to turn them on? I am not required to
7/23/2017 01:21:00 AM
Hahahaha... we have Sgts on this job that terminate chases before the blue lights are even turned on to see if the car will even stop. Yeah right, try again.
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7/23/2017 08:16:00 AM
Hahahaha, it'll will be funny when the original poster's takes a 5 day butt blast in three years when the review board gets to it for the hot car that Joe wrapped around a pole.
The funnier part is that they never got PSMV because dude had the keys.
LMAO. I could have told them that the first week they implemented it. I had many take off on me and I just let them go just to prevent some young kid down the way from getting all Pollicee and fucking himself out of a job. Like the one idiot who was on the video at the defensive driving class who called off a chase on the radio, after the guy went east on the W/N Ike, and then said "fuck it" and took off after him anyways. How do jerk offs like that stay on the job?
You have to be nuts to trust the politicians if they reverse their policy. They will always be one crack up away from tossing you under the Bus and off the job. Assuming of course you survive the chase.
It's a trap. Even if you don't get sued for the chase, what happens when you catch up to them? Something messy that will make lawyers salivate.
Make fleeing the police a felony with a mandatory minimum of 3 years, more years for aggravating factors, like you cause an accident, 5 years, accident with injuries 7 years, etc. Would never happen in Illinois which is the Mecca for thug hugging. We need laws that make sense, not this prickwrinkle fox nonsense. Decriminalization of black crime.
Mike Shields for Pension trustee, he has the experience and did a great job there before
"STOP!" or I'll say "Stop! again....
Men per new chase policy ......you are free to chase. If per chance you kill or cripple someone as a result of the offender's action...you are still on the hook for any injuries and possible separation from the dept. and jail time........carry on.
Who cares why is anyone chasing anyone these days!!!
Mike Shields for Pension trustee, he has the experience and did a great job there before
Dont do shit, dont worry about shit.
I wouldn't even walk fast toward an offender. My god, what if you scare him. He might be emotionally scared for life.
So here is a funny story. Sorry new people coming on the job but not just I noticing this. So I sold my house in Beverly and am moving on out (to the top... to deluxe apartment...) Ok so I am moving out. I get the chance to rent back from my buyers until I can retire which was two months. Real nice older couple who were staying with family and weren't in a rush to move. The wife (new owner) says to me "I hear you are retiring CPD?" I say yes I'm done with this job, blah, blah, blah. She tells me I can't believe who they are hiring nowadays. I ask what she means. She said she was downtown and saw a bunch recruits running the area. At first she thought it was high school kids then she saw the CPD logos or something. In short she tells me she couldn't believe how little and "non intimidating" they all looked. Said they all looked like kids.
I laugh and tell her I remember same thing a year ago. I saw one of the instructors and knew the guy. I thought they were all police cadets. So I asked him while at a red light when did they start making cadets go through the academy. He replies "First off they still call the PPOs/Recruits and of course they still go through the academy." I laughed and said I know the difference between recruits/PPOs and cadets but I thought they were all too small to be cops. He laughed and didn't comment but his expression said it all.
Funny I thought it was just me and my views of the new breed of cop coming on but here was a 60 year old lady asking me what I recently saw and all I could do was laugh with her and she was dead serious.
Why anyone would come on this job is beyond me unless you don't have a tv or internet and live in a cave.
Ahhhh, the liberal snowflakes. Don't they just make the world go around and around for themselves.
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7/23/2017 03:24:00 AM
I have watched every Star Wars and Star Trek movie out there. I have also read a lot of Ray Bradbury books. I am designing the next space station Jennne.
There is no reason to have high capacity killer cars, killing people and killing our planet.
7/23/2017 02:09:00 PM
You haven't seen the move toward driverless cars yet eh?
They are literally trying to take DRIVING away from us, like Gun Control Chicago pre 2012 but with cars.
"Only Ones" isn't just for guns anymore good buddy.
It's insane that someone, or an entity, gets dragged into civil court when they didn't do a God..Damned..Thing! They didn't make the suspect Flee, they didn't crash the car, and they sure as hell didn't kill anyone!
Yeah, I know, that'd put a huge dent in the Ghetto Lottery as the suspect is likely broke, but that's the friggen breaks.
7/23/2017 09:24:00 AM
More often than not, the officers chasing did do something wrong because of the existing chase policy.
Unfortunately, the city has made it easier to sue by having a restrictive chase police that makes it near impossible to chase anyone. There are too many reasons not to chase or to terminate the chase that could be used against any officer who engages in a chase. If they can find 1 thing that under the current policy is a violation of that policy, then the officers DID do something wrong by not terminating and by not following the chase policy. That makes a lawsuit much easier because they are not suing for the fact that we chased, but the fact that in almost all chases, we violated the department chase policy by not terminating the pursuit.
I don't chase. I follow.
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Guess what else is following you...
GPS
Hunchlab phone
Pod cameras
Private cams
Etc.....
Not worth it.
Even just "following
"" Anonymous said...
Do you often unholster and hold your firearm in your lap if you are going to patrol an alleyway?
If you unholster your firearm, wouldn't you turn on your body cam and dash cameras at the same time?
Is there a good reason not to turn them on?""
No you should never unholster a gun while in the car. Oh we've had fools hanging out the window shooting at fleeing cars but I never remember them hitting anything and it was a miracle if they didn't hit an innocent. IF there is ever a case to unholster in a car and hold a gun that was definitely not it.
The call was a screaming female right? Possible assault? More probable a drunk just screaming. More probable by far. And tell me what are the odds of running into the one pajama'ed young white female cop killer in the world that night?
""""Anonymous said...
Question from a Minnesotan about the Justine Daman shooting,
Mohammed Noor was a Somali cop that was on the force for two years.
Is it normal to assign a one year rookie as his partner?"""
Yes.
""If he was so important to Somali Community relations, why was he assigned a beat about as far from the Somali Cedar-Riverside neighborhood as they could get him? Wouldn't you assign him to the center of the Somali Community?"""
Thats something you'd have to ask your outgoing chief. How would we know?
"" Don't you normally assign beats by seniority? How does a rookie and a two year veteran get the white upper middle class neighborhood for their patrol?"""
No. You get assigned beats by who your Daddy is, who your fucking, if the Boss decides to like you, and if you buy pizza's for the desk. "He'll think I'm kidding".
""Do you often unholster and hold your firearm in your lap if you are going to patrol an alleyway?"" No you should never have a gun in your lap while in the car.
""If you unholster your firearm, wouldn't you turn on your body cam and dash cameras at the same time?"" I never wore a body cam. I got off the job before we got the damned things.
""Is there a good reason not to turn them on?"" Pissing would be one. Then again see above.
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