By the Book, and Yet....
You do everything right, everything by the book, and a jury still thinks you're wrong because you're the police (and they're morons):
- Chicago taxpayers will spend $9.5 million to compensate a man who can barely move and cannot talk after hitting his head on the pavement while being jolted by a police Taser.
The incident occurred in July 2011, while Jose Lopez was being treated for chest pains by Chicago Fire Department paramedics.
Chicago Police officers called to assist paramedics in Little Village claim that Lopez refused treatment and became combative.
When one of the officers used a Taser to subdue the patient, Lopez fell backward and hit his head on the pavement.
So evidently, we're going to be instructed to let CFD fend for themselves lest some ignorant jury award millions of dollars.
Labels: we got nothing
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
94 Comments:
I'm starting to put 2 and 2 together concerning
Little Village. It's a goldmine for the street people.
Last year the Paletas vendor gets a go-fund-me page
so he can retire early. Not just basic stuff, this guy made
a bundle. Now we hear about combative motorized scooter
boy being shocked for giving paramedics lip. Is there anything
else public servants can do to improve their lot in life?
Oh yeah, the court settlements.
The last half of the article says a new consent decree will be negotiated and settled on. Let's just continue to watch the crime rates go up from here on out.
Was he legal? If not, let Uncle Sessions know, and then pooof! no need to pay out because he's not in the country!
It cannot top the case of the alcoholic "peeing Korean" who ignored signs, a chain link fence, a railroad crossing and cattle boards to void his bladder on the Ravenswood tracks (before it was renamed "The Brown Line") His urine stream hit the electrified third rail and completed the circuit which shortened his drunken life.
Of course, a lawsuit was filed and settled while on appeal.
Under graham vs connor we lose this case every time:
The Court then outlined a non-exhaustive list of factors for balancing an individual's rights and an officer's: "the severity of the crime at issue," "whether the suspect poses an immediate threat to the safety of the officers or others," "whether he is actively resisting arrest or attempting to evade arrest by flight."
He's not committing a crime. He's a medical patient.
It has long been said that such and such was the final nail in the coffin of any kind of proactive police work.
I no longer think this is true.
These mfers are using deck screws and encasing the plot in cement!
I suggest a write in campaign to the Superintendents Office, demanding tasers be Optional, not mandatory.
I have already made such a request, would not hurt to do the same, if you agree.
why is money awarded so easily??? I mean from what we know the officer did the right thing, he didn't use lethal force and yet money is awarded
Unbelievable, damned if you do and damned if you don't. The offender, obviously, bears no responsibility.
It's time to have everyone who calls for first responder help, be it CPD or CFD, to sign a waiver that waives any liability to the responder if there is any type of resistance or combativeness by the person needing help or by a crazy family member. If no sign, no help given. Could reduce ghetto lottery by the millions.
The good news is he survived his heart attack!
DO I have to carry a taser???
As with most juries, we have people here who are were not smart enough to avoid jury duty, or subjects who want a platform to vent their anger against government, especially government's most visible agents; the police. We make satire about it on this site, but the anti-police attitude nurtured by the Media and Politicians is Genuine and Dangerous. The presence and availability of devices/cell phones, that can record and broadcast incidents Worldwide has forever changed the dynamics of interaction between police and miscreants. After all is said and done; unlike T.V. police dramas, subjects resist arrest and their is no neat or clean way to subdue a resister. The Perception, is all that matters. Whether the Dept. admits it or not, Tasers are viewed by many in the public as Excessive Force. The metal baton, is viewed as Excessive Force, and any form of kicking or striking with a closed fist, will all be viewed as excessive force by the ignorant public's Perception learned from film and television, which is Entertainment,not Education. If the paramedics and police would have just Left this chunk of shit to roll around on the sidewalk in his drug induced condition, the police and paramedics would have been sued and disciplined for not rendering aid. Police Officers are going to get hurt, because if they do not use a Taser, and just wrestle around on the concrete, the cops and future plaintiffs will all sustain injury. Doing Nothing is not an option. Meanwhile there is a study that states the Taser is used more often on Minorities, so Any Use of the Taser in Da Hood receives greater scrutiny. The only solution rests in Tort Reform. Yet, Politicians, like Rahm, who receive campaign donations from certain law firms are not going to push for that, so the money will continue to flow, and coppers will remain in the middle as scapegoats. Do NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, WITHOUT A SUPERVISOR PRESENT, AND PREPARE TO BE SUED, NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO. Unless Tort reform, with caps on payouts is enacted, these settlements will continue and lawyers and criminals will see it as playing the Ghetto Lottery. Baby "G"
Anonymous Anonymous said...
why is money awarded so easily??? I mean from what we know the officer did the right thing, he didn't use lethal force and yet money is awarded
The General Order is clear. The taser is not an option when you encounter a citizen an have knowledge that they have a pre-existing ailment. In this case the officer(s) responded to the call to assist EMS with a citizen who was expericing chest pains. Easy lawsuit!
Anonymous said...
It's time to have everyone who calls for first responder help, be it CPD or CFD, to sign a waiver that waives any liability to the responder if there is any type of resistance or combativeness by the person needing help or by a crazy family member. If no sign, no help given. Could reduce ghetto lottery by the millions.
9/02/2017 01:05:00 AM
Yeah, ok. That'll happen. Come back to earth now.
to sign a waiver that waives any liability to the responder if there is any type of resistance or combativeness by the person needing help
Of course that all hinges on....
A) They can write their name.
B) They understand English.
All first responders in this city are screwed. Your only option is put your time in, retire and move out of state.
Anonymous said...
Under graham vs connor we lose this case every time:
The Court then outlined a non-exhaustive list of factors for balancing an individual's rights and an officer's: "the severity of the crime at issue," "whether the suspect poses an immediate threat to the safety of the officers or others," "whether he is actively resisting arrest or attempting to evade arrest by flight."
He's not committing a crime. He's a medical patient.
9/02/2017 12:38:00 AM
An alternate scenario the officers and CFD leave...The subject has the heart attack or whatever and dies....These liberal POS juries won't award money on this...Don't bet!!!! Can't win no matter what.....
As expected, this lawsuit is greatly publcized to the Little Village community and their illegal cousins for Rahm's desperate pandering for their votes.
So evidently, we're going to be instructed to let CFD fend for themselves lest some ignorant jury award millions of dollars.
Labels: we got nothing
This is why they are pushing the Burge reparations class at CPS...
Suing the City is no longer like the Getto Lottery, where you only win most of the time it now is like a ATM machine where you don't need a password code. It just gives you money
The superintendent "stripped" the partner for not catching him before he hit the ground......
@1238, you get it. Why tase someone with chest pain for refusing treatment unless there is a lot, I mean A LOT, more to it.
It's just city money. I can't wait to get out of here.
I do not agree with you on this one. The man did not want to be forced to go the Hospital and the police had no business forcing him to go. We do not take our orders from the Chicago Fire Department and we do not inforce the rules they have. In the last month, I have responded twice to CFD ambulance assist calls and the paramedics wanted the police to physically force people to go to the hospital because of some rule CFD has. They even called me once to force a man to sign their waiver because he refused to sign it.
As you said SCC, your damned if you do and your damned if you don't. That is why I DON"T!
If he didn't want medical attention, then F him, let him walk off. Why fight?
The system was created so that liars could make money. Oops I actually typed lawyers and the autocorrect feature typed liars.
You guys got it all wrong, the city paid out because the curb had too much of sharp corner edge & get this..... the curb was too hard ! The curb and gutter layer had to come in and testify to the manner in which he laid the curb with concrete and what the chemical composition was of the mix used.... just when you thought it couldn't get any worse... now they go after the curb and gutter guy😞.. just sad👎🏾
Yup....that's right....keep cutting those millions dollar checks while your liberal Chicago voters cheer that juries are doing the right thing....until they look at their tax bills and can't seem to understand why it keep going higher, and higher, and higher.
Remember - the Supreme Court has said that in most cases the police do not have a duty to act. So don't.
Under graham vs connor we lose this case every time:
The Court then outlined a non-exhaustive list of factors for balancing an individual's rights and an officer's: "the severity of the crime at issue," "whether the suspect poses an immediate threat to the safety of the officers or others," "whether he is actively resisting arrest or attempting to evade arrest by flight."
He's not committing a crime. He's a medical patient.
I sure hope your not the Police. My understanding is he was fighting and punching the paramedics. Ahh, that's a crime moron. He may of started out as a medical patient, but he committed a crime. Everyone wants us to use the taser now....see what happens!!!!
The lawyers are going to make a bundle.
More Bizarro World.
The City keeps paying out these lawsuits and the lawyers all know it. Can't have a media story get out and upset the crybabbies. Start fighting them and counter suing and see what happens.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
It cannot top the case of the alcoholic "peeing Korean" who ignored signs, a chain link fence, a railroad crossing and cattle boards to void his bladder on the Ravenswood tracks (before it was renamed "The Brown Line") His urine stream hit the electrified third rail and completed the circuit which shortened his drunken life.
Of course, a lawsuit was filed and settled while on appeal.
@@@
An episode of Mythbusters proved that cannot happen. Too bad corp council doesn't watch TV
This award of 9.5 million is incredible and ludicrous! Scumbags winning the ghetto lottery!
Seems that they are telling you, that you are better off going hand to hand, getting injured, and going on disability. Would be cheaper for the city.
Anyone remember the movie/cartoon "Heavy Metal"? Every time I see this type of story (every day lately) I figure the police depiction in the New York scene are the way the Police are going to be forced to act by liberals.
Thats what happens when you get 12 idiots on a jury who think its play money they give out instead of hardworking taxpayer funded money. Idiots.
The officer needs to Sue him for being a criminal illegal alien and here without papers.
Like we've been debating in this blog about the taser, its failures, to use or not, and its benefits; so now you have it, this guy gets tasered and cracks his head a couple of times on the sidewalk. Now he's alleged to have suffered permanent brain damage and he gets the big payout. There's coppers on this job who just can't wait to use their taser's, you can see the sparkle in their eyes. It's just stupid, the taser is unpredictable and using it you risk the unknown. For me and others, the taser should be removed and our shotguns returned.
If Lopez refused treatment, why didn't the Fire Department immediately leave?
The jury isn't coming out of pocket. Monopoly money to them. There is also a starving lawyer with a business card around any corner.you can't win .
Well cfd already needs body armor, give them tasers too. The savages aren't getting any better.
According to mousy IAG Lisa Madigan (recipient of the coveted FOP PAC Endorsement), $600 million was paid out to "victims of Police misconduct" so far. That means every settlement is entirely on the racist reform resisting Police, not the pandering and sinking City Hall purser.
A bumbling stumbling crackhead (literally) was in freak-out mode, someone calls the Police (a medical response) on his behalf, so he gets more agitated and as a result sustains injury.
This because an responding to duty law enforcement officer, protected himself and others from injury and being a punching bag for a deranged maniac, who needed medical attention.
How this became excessive is beyond reason?
Leave the maniacs to go on rampage to either harm themselves or others ?
The quick response to this incident not even an issue, but one has to wonder if KomodoFoxxx will seek a AgBatt.
charge after a IPRO review 7 years from now.
No blue lights anymore.
Not worth the damned if I do - damned if I don't, in Rahm's feral ghetto (and it's all ghetto) Sanctuary.
Work smart.
Let's see what happens this week end. If the answer is more police, then crime should be down. That 1300 additional police this weekend is 300 more than the additional 1000 Rahm promised by the end of next year
The guy was guilty of not behaving rationally during a medical emergency. Next time I hopes he learns to act rationally.
Your last sentence might be right. Let them fend for themselves and when the guy refused medical attention, then should have noted that on the report and left. Happens all the time in emergency rooms. I've seen many a fool sign the "refused medical attention" form and leave. If he refuses to sign the form, the nurse and doctor witness the refusal
As usual the CPD gets involved and gets stuck. Worse now with the new IPRA, you could be right and still get suspended or terminated.
Ask CFD is they want to sign a complaint for battery or assault and if they refuse move on. It's a lot easier to protect yourself from a beef over the use of a taser if the person is under arrest and in custody
they tased a guy so he would be forced to accept medical treatment? huh? aren't there rules for tasers? Does not the tased one have to be actively resisting arrest?
huh?
You have the right to refuse treatment. You do NOT have the right to batter EMS. Aside from this I see the war on Tasers continues. I recommend returning to the tried and true "two to the chest, one to the head" method. If people are going to complain and sue anyway, stick to the method that reduces recidivism.
Why wasn't the patients refusal of treatment honored? If he doesn't want treatment and a release is signed (or video evidence of a refusal exists), pack up and leave.
01:05am, good idea. You call... You waive any liability to the responder. Caller, "911"? Dispatcher, "911, Can we help you "? Caller, "I need the police". Dispatcher, "Yes, Sir I will send the police but you do know that you waive any liability on the responder. Do you accept"? Caller, "Click".
Wasting OUR money again as always.
Fuck this shit.
Go buy some god damn insurance for all these shitbags and their claims, the taxpayers would be paying for that as well.
Shit.
The injured parties life time earnings would be less than $ 50. Where do they find these people who would award a shit bum that kind of money ???
Someone should calculate cost per citizen and "undocumented immigrant".... it's about $3.50 per person if you go off population.... but everyone does not pay taxes. So it is obviously higher. But I guys Jose Lopez is honest when ask if he does not English. Cause he doesn't
In the publics jaundiced eyes the police are wrong no matter what.
You can thank the jagoff politicians, BLM groups and the extremely biased media for that.
1:05am, my thoughts exactly
What is the STANDING upon which a jury heard this case?
Yes, HARM is part of standing, which is obvious, however, a felon in the commission of armed robbery shooting at store operators and or police trying to apprehend him who get shot is certainly receiving demonstrable harm. OK so that criminal was harmed, but it doesn't, heck it CAN'T provide standing to sue to gain financially from his crime committed.
If the tazer deployment is by the book, on good cause, then the harm can not be any different than being shot with a pistol or rifle.
Ok, so the guy "got combative". Well, he was refusing treatment right? If that is the case, and force was applied to him because he was refusing..... then he was battered AND harmed as result. In that case then some loot is appropriate BECAUSE force was applied unjustly.
So it can't be that what he did was by the book. Or, it can't be that he was harmed unjustly. It can't be both, it has to be one or the other. It comes down to WHY fore was used - and that is where the rub is. "he got combative" is not a full disclosure description. More information is required to assess that situation.
Proper action is - Well dude refused treatment so let him be.It may be the stupidest decision possible, he may DIE as a result of his own decision. SO BE IT. To my CPD heros - you can not save people from their own stupidity, from errant choices made by themselves about themselves. SO stop trying. You will be punished for trying...and frankly, rightly so. Worst is the taxpayers get punished too.
So let the idiots be idiots, because they have a right to BE idiots so long as they only harm themselves.
Use of force is governed under supreme court ruling, Graham vs Connor. If you use force for non crimes, you will always lose in civil court. Those of you officers that don't know Graham vs Connor, read up on it and become familiar with it. The officer that just got convicted last week for shooting at the stolen car, Graham vs Connor is why he was convicted.
Please continue to provide support to CFD........WE APPRECIATE IT.
Thank you for your service.
Liberal Lottery Payments are here to stay, regardless.
An alternate scenario the officers and CFD leave...The subject has the heart attack or whatever and dies....These liberal POS juries won't award money on this...Don't bet!!!! Can't win no matter what.....
9/02/2017 07:16:00 AM
A lot of people have heart attacks and die. Fewer lawsuits from dying from a heart attack than getting tased. The way things are going is if you tase someone, you are getting sued
Anonymous Anonymous said...
why is money awarded so easily??? I mean from what we know the officer did the right thing, he didn't use lethal force and yet money is awarded
That's an easy one. Because juries are made up of 12 people who aren't smart enough to get out of jury duty
I do not agree with you on this one. The man did not want to be forced to go the Hospital and the police had no business forcing him to go. We do not take our orders from the Chicago Fire Department and we do not inforce the rules they have. In the last month, I have responded twice to CFD ambulance assist calls and the paramedics wanted the police to physically force people to go to the hospital because of some rule CFD has. They even called me once to force a man to sign their waiver because he refused to sign it.
Couldn't agree more. Don't let them tell you you have to abide by their orders. Once they tried to get me to force the guy to sign the waiver
I refused and told them it's their job to get the waiver signed. DONT MAKE YOUR PROBLEM MY PROBLEM
As we always hear, if you don't like the job quit. There are plenty of names remaining on the last CFD list
Anonymous Anonymous said...
In the publics jaundiced eyes the police are wrong no matter what.
You can thank the jagoff politicians, BLM groups and the extremely biased media for that.
Exactly and that is why you have CFD ask to have them sign the waiver, not us. Everyone knows they are more credible , police lie, firemen don't
Look at the last shoot by the CFD Lt, a good shoot, he's a hero. If it were a CPD Lt there would be multiple investigations, BLM would be asking for a grand jury, federal civil rights investigation and a FBI investigation. Might have gotten stripped and for the next 5-10 years he would have to worry about the investigation being reopened
Here is an example where this use of force made sense:
- Paramedics arrive, ask if he's the patient and needs help; guy punches them for no reason.
Is that what happened? Because if not, if the paramedics tried to force care on him, then they're wrong and shouldn't be roping the PD into the mess. I bet quite a few people here have had times when EMS tried to get them to force a potential patient to undergo treatment even though there was no legal basis for doing so...
Anonymous said...
Someone should calculate cost per citizen and "undocumented immigrant".... it's about $3.50 per person if you go off population.... but everyone does not pay taxes. So it is obviously higher. But I guys Jose Lopez is honest when ask if he does not English. Cause he doesn't
9/02/2017 02:10:00 PM
Apparently..............neither do you. LOL
Off topic,
pay close attention to what is going on at the pension board officers. If you get hurt at work and need to go on disability make sure and be certain that the Head of Human Resources gets your full and entire medical file sent to the pension board. Don O'Neill has been working with the union to sell out officers by not sending medical records to the pension board for hearings regarding duty disability. This has been happening for the last few years and needs to be brought to the attention of officers risking there lives every day.
The union and Human Resources have silently been working together to end duty disability benefits. Just like the union was on board with the city to end retirees healthcare. Officers need to speak up and the Union as well as Human Resources for the Police Department need to be held accountable.
Anonymous said...
Well cfd already needs body armor, give them tasers too. The savages aren't getting any better.
9/02/2017 11:28:00 AM
Lex Luthor's random thought of the day . . .
Kind of makes you wonder if a stun gun attached to a 1" smooth-bore nozzle would work as a crowd control device, doesn't it?
How many people have to die or become disabled for Tasers to be banned go back to batons!
Well...
Policemen can always go back to slapping the
non-compliant senseless then using the time
they're in an altered state to cuff, shackle,
hobble and secure a spit-guard on them before
they're aware of what's happening?
Going "Hands On" is ALWAYS about Policemen
completing the task in front of them quickly
and safely.
Right?
"C'mon guy...
We can do this the easy way
or the hard way."
"Imma acka foo'!"
>SA-LAP!<
"Huh? who I is?"
Crowd Gathered Around Waving
Cell Phones says:
"Y'all didn't give him a chance
to express hisself! We got y'all
racist ass on camera an shit!"
Off topic,
pay close attention to what is going on at the pension board officers. If you get hurt at work and need to go on disability make sure and be certain that the Head of Human Resources gets your full and entire medical file sent to the pension board. Don O'Neill has been working with the union to sell out officers by not sending medical records to the pension board for hearings regarding duty disability. This has been happening for the last few years and needs to be brought to the attention of officers risking there lives every day.
The union and Human Resources have silently been working together to end duty disability benefits. Just like the union was on board with the city to end retirees healthcare. Officers need to speak up and the Union as well as Human Resources for the Police Department need to be held accountable.
Don O'Neill has been gone for 6 months now, does not work in Human Resources. Bot, your really on top of things !!!!
9/02/2017 08:56:00 AM
Loved Heavy Metal! Great movie!
Anonymous said...
How many people have to die or become disabled for Tasers to be banned go back to batons!
9/02/2017 07:37:00 PM
Naw...
Time to get straight-up primitive and go back to
a hard and heavy fist in the ear, to the chin
or to the solar plexus.
Batons?
Wooden stick?
Metal pipe?
Nope.
That good old forearm length, triple stitched,
double stuffed Beaver Tail sap with a retention
strap.
"One Pound Instant Foolitness Stopper"
>KA-WHAP!<
Mistuh IFIYGD can fill y'all in on a right
DANDY stupidity mitigation dee-vice that the
"Community" condemned as "racist and unfair"
in years past.
"WAIT! OK! Y'ALL AIN'T GOTTA HIT ME WIF'
DAT WHATCHACALLIT! I'M COOL! SEE?"
>Hands up high like a m/fer<
They wanted to rename Norwood park after the PEEING KOREAN but instead settled for a street sign. He contributed so much to the community. HA HA.
These scum bag lawyers get a 1/3 of this?
Payday coming for a couple of female POs because of a certain swat Sgt stalking and harassing them. Complaint after complaint against this nut job and the Dept failed to investigate.
Several years ago, I was assigned to backup EMS on a call of two intoxicated brothers who had gotten into a fight in their home. The lead paramedic insisted that I forcibly make the one brother go with them to the hospital for treatment of a minor cut on his forehead. The paramedics reasoning was that the guy was too intoxicated to make that decision on his own. I spoke to the guy, realized he was coherent enough to refuse treatment and told the paramedic as much. The paramedic had a hissy fit and said that I had to make the guy go. I took out my handcuffs and gave them to the paramedic and told him "If you want to take him against his will, then have at it" Of course the paramedic didn't and I left the scene. Sometimes you just have to use a little common sense.
It's simple: CFD calls for assistance, person refusing medical attention: CFD should write on the their pad/tablet refusal if they also refuse to sign the waiver. We do not force people for medical attention unless he/she is a clear and present danger to self or others. We also do not follow orders from ems or their battalion chiefs. Sorry CFD, it's time you fight your own battles, stay fetal.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Here is an example where this use of force made sense:
- Paramedics arrive, ask if he's the patient and needs help; guy punches them for no reason.
Is that what happened? Because if not, if the paramedics tried to force care on him, then they're wrong and shouldn't be roping the PD into the mess. I bet quite a few people here have had times when EMS tried to get them to force a potential patient to undergo treatment even though there was no legal basis for doing so...
It may different in IL but here EMS is obliged to involuntarily commit someone who is erratic or incapacitated due to intoxication or mental illness. I'm sure some guy high out of his mind on crack/meth suffices that definition.
This is more a case of a jury drooling over a "police brutality" case in the current climate and handing a shithead a tax payer payout.
Payday coming for a couple of female POs because of a certain swat Sgt stalking and harassing them. Complaint after complaint against this nut job and the Dept failed to investigate.
9/02/2017 11:49:00 PM
FOIA request. Dept will be embarrassed and sued. Many victims to include civilians and POs. IAD failed to properly investigate. Past history spanning two decades.
9/02/2017 11:32:00 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Payday coming for a couple of female POs because of a certain swat Sgt stalking and harassing them. Complaint after complaint against this nut job and the Dept failed to investigate.
How can that be. I thought SWAT was legit
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I do not agree with you on this one. The man did not want to be forced to go the Hospital and the police had no business forcing him to go. We do not take our orders from the Chicago Fire Department and we do not inforce the rules they have. In the last month, I have responded twice to CFD ambulance assist calls and the paramedics wanted the police to physically force people to go to the hospital because of some rule CFD has. They even called me once to force a man to sign their waiver because he refused to sign it.
Couldn't agree more. Don't let them tell you you have to abide by their orders. Once they tried to get me to force the guy to sign the waiver
I refused and told them it's their job to get the waiver signed. DONT MAKE YOUR PROBLEM MY PROBLEM
As we always hear, if you don't like the job quit. There are plenty of names remaining on the last CFD list
9/02/2017 04:18:00 PM
---agreed. My buddy is a fireman and once tried to explain to me the stupid rule CFD has about not letting someone decline medical care.
He couldn't explain it to my satisfaction, probably because he's not really too bright.
But there is some sort of rule out there - which is bizarre in and of itself.
Payday coming for a couple of female POs because of a certain swat Sgt stalking and harassing them. Complaint after complaint against this nut job and the Dept failed to investigate.
9/02/2017 11:49:00 PM
Crazy. Just crazy. This dude has no boundaries or self control. Ask the academy about what a nut he is. Hope swat has a layout of his house.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Several years ago, I was assigned to backup EMS on a call of two intoxicated brothers who had gotten into a fight in their home. The lead paramedic insisted that I forcibly make the one brother go with them to the hospital for treatment of a minor cut on his forehead. The paramedics reasoning was that the guy was too intoxicated to make that decision on his own. I spoke to the guy, realized he was coherent enough to refuse treatment and told the paramedic as much. The paramedic had a hissy fit and said that I had to make the guy go. I took out my handcuffs and gave them to the paramedic and told him "If you want to take him against his will, then have at it" Of course the paramedic didn't and I left the scene. Sometimes you just have to use a little common sense.
And that we don't take orders from paramedics. When was the last time you read about a big judgement against a paramedic. None that I read. No they have you do their job and you get sued.
Swat legit? Ok. If you say so.
Had a man shot call years ago. Got there jagoff was shot in leg. Paramedics get there and escort him out to ambulance. He gets in and then turns and runs out of ambulance and runs away. Paramedics want us to chase him. I tell them he just refused service so leave. Their response was that we should chase him so he can have proper treatment. We got in our car and left. Who cares.
"Baby "G"
Good comments
"It cannot top the case of the alcoholic "peeing Korean" who ignored signs, a chain link fence, a railroad crossing and cattle boards to void his bladder on the Ravenswood tracks (before it was renamed "The Brown Line") His urine stream hit the electrified third rail and completed the circuit which shortened his drunken life"
I'm calling B--- S--- on this one. Sounds like urban legend and lore
Payday coming for a couple of female POs because of a certain swat Sgt stalking and harassing them. Complaint after complaint against this nut job and the Dept failed to investigate.
9/02/2017 11:49:00 PM
FOIA request. Dept will be embarrassed and sued. Many victims to include civilians and POs. IAD failed to properly investigate. Past history spanning two decades.
9/03/2017 11:34:00 AM
This guy is a goofball. Always was.
Had a man shot call years ago. Got there jagoff was shot in leg. Paramedics get there and escort him out to ambulance. He gets in and then turns and runs out of ambulance and runs away. Paramedics want us to chase him. I tell them he just refused service so leave. Their response was that we should chase him so he can have proper treatment. We got in our car and left. Who cares.
9/04/2017 12:21:00 AM
If they feel so strong about him getting proper medical treatment, Tell them to chase him. There is nothing stopping them. About time CFD understands we don't take orders from them
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Swat legit? Ok. If you say so.
9/04/2017 12:09:00 AM
It's called sarcasm
If you doubt the story of the guy peeing on the third rail, you can read about it here ... http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1992-11-10/news/9204110849_1_electrified-third-rail-the-cta-jury
CFD medic here, it's not our rules it's the law that if somebody is intoxicated from drugs or alcohol they cannot refuse treatment ( not really treatment just giving the moron a ride to the hospital to sleep it off). This guy that supposedly had chest pain ( I doubt it) and wanted to refuse they should've let him refuse. If somebody is having a legitimate heart attack they are not going to refuse care. Just document everything and you're fine. If he leaves the scene good riddance I'm not chasing him or begging him to go and I would never ask the police to chase any fool who refuses treatment / transport. I can't speak for these other medics but sounds like lack of experience.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Had a man shot call years ago. Got there jagoff was shot in leg. Paramedics get there and escort him out to ambulance. He gets in and then turns and runs out of ambulance and runs away. Paramedics want us to chase him. I tell them he just refused service so leave. Their response was that we should chase him so he can have proper treatment. We got in our car and left. Who cares.
9/04/2017 12:21:00 AM
If they feel so strong about him getting proper medical treatment, Tell them to chase him. There is nothing stopping them. About time CFD understands we don't take orders from them
9/04/2017 11:56:00 AM
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some of these CFD types are true believers
me? I'd rather he run off and develope gangrene and die in the alley
Anonymous Anonymous said...
CFD medic here, it's not our rules it's the law that if somebody is intoxicated from drugs or alcohol they cannot refuse treatment ( not really treatment just giving the moron a ride to the hospital to sleep it off). This guy that supposedly had chest pain ( I doubt it) and wanted to refuse they should've let him refuse. If somebody is having a legitimate heart attack they are not going to refuse care. Just document everything and you're fine. If he leaves the scene good riddance I'm not chasing him or begging him to go and I would never ask the police to chase any fool who refuses treatment / transport. I can't speak for these other medics but sounds like lack of experience.
9/05/2017 03:59:00 AM
---good info
so the lawmakers of Illinois found fit to more-or-less give you the power to make an arrest? or at the very least a civil commitment? What are the repercussions then for refusal? and what force do they tell you you can use? or have you even thought of these questions? and please cite the law... if he escapes are you on the hook?
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