Friday, October 06, 2017

Return to Warning Shots

  • With police under fire for deadly use of force, a drastic new policy is being recommended: The return of the warning shot.

    [...]

    Police officers are taught that if they fire their weapons, it's only for one reason: To kill bad guys. But now the International Association of Chiefs of Police is recommending police learn how to safely shoot warning shots to de-escalate serious situations.

    At training day for Troy police, officers sworn to serve and protect citizens were on the practice range with their only mission being to hit the target.

    If an officer decides to pull the trigger in a real-life situation, it's to kill dangerous criminals. They practice over and over to shoot for body mass, because they're taught only to shoot when deadly force is required.

    But now there's a new way of thinking from the IACP. The organization is recommending police departments nationwide allow officers to use warning shots instead of shooting only to kill.
First of all, we don't fire to kill - we fire to eliminate the threat. If the bad guy gets killed, that's just "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes" as the saying goes.

Second, without full and unequivocal immunity from liability, anyone talking about "warning shots" is an idiot.

You know what old timers used to call their misses? Warning shots. But these days, liability follows the bullet - all the way from barrel to impact.

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54 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I might THINK about firing a warning shot and calling it a miss. Not sure I would actually do that, but I can't help but wonder if there wouldn't be less liability doing that than shooting the POS. Sorry, mean to say "citizen".

10/06/2017 12:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If there weren't a lack of jobs, ok benefits and decent wages who in there right mind would want to be the police. The job was fun once upon a time.

10/06/2017 12:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I cast my vote for clown horns......oooooga....oooooooga........ooooga, ooooga.......

10/06/2017 12:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about a warning fart instead?

Depending on whom, just as much
noise, flash and smoke as a warning shot
but no heavy metal projectile unless
your diet consists of prowling parking
lots and gnawing wheel weights...

sarc/silliness

10/06/2017 12:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yepper, son, I never missed a shot.
I hit when I wanted to hit, and I warned
when I wanted to warn.
I had an outstanding career. I was a
consultant to two, count 'em t-w-o, TV
shows: Sky King and Highway Patrol.
If you can't kill your felon with a wheel
gun, you don't deserve to be a cop.

10/06/2017 12:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Warning shots are great, they hit little old ladies and two year olds kids abour 100% of the time!

10/06/2017 12:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where do said warning shots get fired? Straight up in the air? Into the ground? Zip one by the ear? A little chin music to tell them you mean business?? Kneecaps? Do we yell “warning shot” three times too? The IACP (Int’l Assoc. of Chiefs of Police) and CPD must have a student exchange program, because that organization sounds like they have a bunch of triple merit idiots there too.

10/06/2017 12:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why warning shots when I go to work to avoid business.... its a learned skill that is quite easy to master. If you have any idea you are going to deal with assholes on a call-- take the busy streets. Give asshole time to run for freedom. Take your time. If your still clueless-- watch the middle and end of the movie "Colors"-- let's walk down.... and stay fetal

10/06/2017 12:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Warning shot...

From experience I can tell you that the sound of the slide of a 12 gage shotgun being racked back and forth has a verrrry calming effect on most situations.

10/06/2017 12:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Warning Shots = Bink! Bink! Bing! Richochet Ghetto Lotto Payout! Cha ching!

Forget that nonsense... stay fetal.

10/06/2017 01:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good Lord. What's next, taking away your guns and making you just yell "BANG" instead?
Issuing those toy guns where a cork pops out? Nerf guns?

How in the hell does a nation of over 300 million people manage to consistently appoint such absolutely witless and spineless morons to its leadership positions? Boggles the mind.

10/06/2017 01:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The International Association of Chiefs Police" has always been a political arm of Democratic Mayors. They will parrot anything there masters want. Just another origination with a name that means BOHICA.

10/06/2017 04:55:00 AM  
Blogger Baby"G" said...

This is Crazy! If someone thinks you are not going to shoot them, what is going to prevent them from taking you out? A warning shot is an empty threat. In addition, in an urban environment, how can you be sure of where the bullet will land? This is one step closer to disarming police entirely. And this is the Think Tank for American law enforcement. Baby "G"

10/06/2017 05:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Unfuckingbelievable said...

How about this? I used to jokingly tell my recruits that the first two rounds I loaded were blanks. That way I would have have two chances before I made a mistake and shot someone by accident. Maybe I should be a chief somewhere.

10/06/2017 06:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who would want that job !

10/06/2017 06:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about have the first round be a blank. Therefore you wouldn't have to worry about a stray round.

10/06/2017 06:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I knew a suburban chief who although a member of IACP did not have much good to say about the organization. He thought it was mostly libtards who had never been the police.

10/06/2017 06:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So the officer that fired all those shots at that kid on the tape that rahm hid until after the election was firing warning shots

10/06/2017 06:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

and where would the officer aim his weapon to fire these warning shots? In the air so the bullet can come down on the head of a future ghetto millionaire? In the ground so the pellet can fly up and hit another future ghetto lottery winner?

10/06/2017 07:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I prefer the Old.." Stop or I'll SHOOT ." verbal command.....Sarcasm off....

10/06/2017 07:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I’ll have to run this warning shot idea past an acquaintance of mine. She is a huge Social Justice Warrior, totally supports what the NFL players are doing, even though she hates football, never met a leftist cause she didn’t love, especially gun control. However, she was hit in the head by an errant bullet that missed the scumbag it was intended for. It didn’t kill her, but they can’t remove it from her brain without causing more brain damage so she is left to live every day with the bullet in her brain and the effects of that foreign object.

10/06/2017 08:03:00 AM  
Blogger Mr. SouthSide said...

Can we fire over the heads of rioters of an exempt okays it?

10/06/2017 08:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about supressive fire too?

10/06/2017 08:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We should carry drop dudes. We each take a death row prisoner on our tour and in the event of a incident requiring a gun pull, we shoot the inmate to scare the bad guy. It's a win win! LOL - sarcasm.

10/06/2017 09:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Better yet just blare out a gun shot sound effect from over the car's speaker system follwed by the national anthem that should do the trick...

10/06/2017 09:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

O.T.
More empty threats by Trump and Sessions. Rahm wins again


CHICAGO — After months of threatening to yank law enforcement funds from cities like Chicago over sanctuary policies, the Trump administration has awarded the city $500,000 to fight gang and gun crimes.

10/06/2017 09:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Loevey Files:
" Your honor, my client was only firing a warning shot to get the Poleece to stop chasing and harassing him..."

I'm sure Jugghead Special Ed is all in on this hair brained idea and CO'PRA can't wait.

Anything beyond the safe arrival to a call for service and a case report is excessive.
Relax. Stay Fetal.

10/06/2017 09:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lots of warning shots were fired during foot chases in the old public housing south. We all had gun cleaning kits in the locker.

10/06/2017 10:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What goes up must come down. That was always the problem with shooting a warning shot. You have no control over a projectile that you launched in the air, especially in a large city with millions of people and two airports. Some copper in a sparsely populated area throwing a shot it the air, is completely different. I'm not speaking for everyone, but a lot of us feel more comfortable shooting to eliminate the threat, with aimed fire.

10/06/2017 10:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Starters Pistols? Blanks? Firecrackers?
Wow

Lars Pilsen

10/06/2017 10:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I miss the days of firing "warning shots" at fleeing burglars!!!

O'Brien St. Alum.....

10/06/2017 10:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Warning shots what are the odds on President Trump taking out this terrorist before he hits USA 🇺🇸?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/north-korea-ready-test-new-11299869

10/06/2017 10:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It will greatly increase Ghetto Lottery winners.
Lawyers are salivating at the thought.

10/06/2017 10:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In this modern age, a kinder-gentler police force is needed. Warning shots is a good start. Hopefully, the police can eventually progress to the level of Britain, where 95% of the cops are only armed with a billy club.

10/06/2017 11:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

International chiefs of police association has no clout and nobody listens to them. Nowadays all that matters is the DOJ recommendations and CALEA

10/06/2017 11:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

dummycrats can
kma

10/06/2017 11:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cook County Sheriffs allow warning shots now as well. its in their latest GO's

10/06/2017 12:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The more things change, the more they stay the same...

10/06/2017 12:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

“First of all, we don't fire to kill - we fire to eliminate the threat.”... Just remember SCC... per
our new use of farce (I mean force) class ... we don’t “ELIMINATE” the threat ... we “STOP” the
threat.... it’s a much nicer term for this generation of libtards.

10/06/2017 01:04:00 PM  
Blogger Cuthbert J. Twillie said...

Not to worry Officers.

**Rumor has it** that when Rahm heard of this new Warning Shot idea, he loved it. And to remove any potential liability from falling bullets, he immediately ordered the City's Law Department to file a lawsuit in Federal Court demanding that Issac Newton's Law of Gravity be Voided within city limits.

**A source** close to the conversation said that Tiny Dancer stated; "Hell, we don't have to follow any stinking Federal Immigration Laws so why the hell should we have to follow this 'law' of some old dead Englishman! This is Chicago dammit, I say what's a law."

10/06/2017 02:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I saw roadrunner cartoons... the rounds just stop and turn left and fall to the ground. Physics is not a problem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

10/06/2017 02:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Looks like they are trying to open up room for more ghetto lawsuits.

You dumb mfrs that come up with these ideas. Shit for brains

10/06/2017 04:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm all for getting rid of guns altogether and going with poison Ivy as a weapon of choice.

10/06/2017 04:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Police chiefs and associations of Police chiefs are not our friends. Their only goal is to retain their chief of Police job or get a better one next time.

10/06/2017 08:14:00 PM  
Blogger Alan Longnecker said...

"The cops fired a warning shot that blew her off the float."
Homecoming Queen's got a gun
by Julie Brown

10/06/2017 08:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That explains one libtard

10/06/2017 09:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Didn't a kid get killed over the Fourth of July in Indiana because of an errant shot in the air falling and hitting him as he played basketball? No thanks.

10/06/2017 11:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A warning shot between the eyes outta do it! Sarcasm off.

10/07/2017 12:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh SCC, you can’t use the words “eliminate the threat”. That’s too harsh. You have to use “stop the threat”. I came on in the early 90’s and was taught that way. During my transition course I used the phrase eliminate the threat and was bitched at by the range guy saying I can’t say that anymore. I was also taught two to the chest one to the head. Did they change that too??

10/07/2017 05:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Times have really changed from 30-40 years ago. I started in the 70s and I am retired. I remember when cops could fire warning shots and you could shoot at burglars and stolen cars because they were fleeing felons. Then it changed to fleeing forcible felons. Stolen cars and burglars were out. Then the warning shots were banned. Then came Garner vs. TN. Now de-escalation. And we wonder why the streets in cities across the country are out of control. We've really fallen as a society when the bad guy has more rights than the citizen and victim. Wow.

10/07/2017 09:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If your on the roof of a grocery store protecting it from looters,Warning shots are a great idea.Talk to people who own stores and offer help with your rifles.The riots are coming.

10/07/2017 01:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So they want cops to shoot a warning shot into the air. And then when it comes down and
kills an innocent person, they will be held responsible for the killing. Oh OK, I got it

10/07/2017 08:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Anonymous Anonymous said...
If your on the roof of a grocery store protecting it from looters,Warning shots are a great idea.Talk to people who own stores and offer help with your rifles.The riots are coming.

10/07/2017 01:21:00 PM

It will be more than riots, start stocking up.

10/07/2017 10:34:00 PM  
Anonymous 19E said...

Anonymous said...
If there weren't a lack of jobs, ok benefits and decent wages who in there right mind would want to be the police. The job was fun once upon a time.

10/06/2017 12:05:00 AM

And I'm grateful to have been part of that fun (1981-2010 Ret.)

10/08/2017 04:37:00 PM  

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