A Slow Start
- Leaders of the rank-and-file Chicago Police officers’ union on Friday slammed the city’s police oversight agency, demanding a “clarification” on use-of-force policies a day after Officer [...] 2015 shooting of Quintonio LeGrier and Bettie Jones was ruled unjustified.
“If an offender is wielding a bat against an officer, must he or she wait until they are actually struck before they can defend themselves?” union officials wrote in a statement.
“Must they wait until they see a muzzle flash of a gun before any attempts to protect their lives and those of the public would be deemed reasonable? How far can the weapon be found from an offender before an officer’s use of force is deemed legitimate? Six feet? Ten feet? Fifteen?”
The standard (for much of our careers) has been the "21 foot rule" where someone with a knife inside of a 21-foot distance, was able to close the gap and inflict damage before an officer could draw and fire. If we aren't mistaken, at one point the TASER cartridges came with a 21 foot wire specifically to address this situation (but ignore the reality that at 21 feet, the TASER prongs were too far apart to make meaningful contact with a subject.) A bat (with an assailant reaching his arms) extends the effective range of the weapon four to six feet. We won't even bother to cite numerous publications by the FBI that show people are beaten to death far more often than they are killed by rifles.
The FOP is completely correct to put this pile of shit into COPA's lap. Make them define exactly what they are basing their judgements on, then show that the Department has failed every officer in training personnel up to COPA standards - the officer will instantly win his lawsuit against the Department's inadequate training. We'd bet that upwards of 75% of the Department was trained under the "21 foot rule," and to date, we haven't heard of it being tossed. We'll even ask to have the names of the gym instructors posted in the comment section - most of them are still alive and would probably love to come in to explain the training.
The FOP is completely correct to put this pile of shit into COPA's lap. Make them define exactly what they are basing their judgements on, then show that the Department has failed every officer in training personnel up to COPA standards - the officer will instantly win his lawsuit against the Department's inadequate training. We'd bet that upwards of 75% of the Department was trained under the "21 foot rule," and to date, we haven't heard of it being tossed. We'll even ask to have the names of the gym instructors posted in the comment section - most of them are still alive and would probably love to come in to explain the training.
posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
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This is all for Rahm. He’s behind this or his supporters are behind it. Think of the distraction he’s providing for all his would be voter. He’s distracting peoples attention from how bad he’s run this city into the ground, and he’s trying to get the black vote.. Meanwhile Eddie is just a lap dog for Rahm. What a disgrace you are Eddie. Stand up and say something!!!
those gym instructors are now sergeants in academy, not hard to find them
About fuckin time.
21 feet. JVD was right.
department issued magic wands.
The 21 foot rule has recently been shown to not be enough distance.
COPA standards is typical 5 million dollar payout courtesy of Ramn and crew of alderscum- I don’t care how u spell his shit stain name
Fellow officers, I am writing this to you all to let you know that the moment has come in whether we show solidarity with each other or turn our backs on each other and cower away! No one wants to be that person called upon to go against the tide. Most of us want to live our lives as simple as we can and do what’s best for ourselves and our loved ones. But on Friday 29 Dec 2017, the city showed its intent when it comes to us, that is to persecute us! It has unleashed a beast that will not stop until it has made a name for itself as a persecutor of “bad cops”. Most officers have taken the fetal mentality. Has much as I hate that way of policing it has become an appropriate method in order to avoid this beast called COPA.
The problem is that being fetal will not ensure your safety when it comes to complaints, persecution, and termination. You still have a job to do and by policy and law you must respond to your calls accordingly. This officer did just that when he responded to a mental/domestic call. He took appropriate action that was well within policy and the law! Yet, here we are two years later and this officer may now face termination and possibly being charged! So, how long until you’re the next officer being called to COPA to answer for your actions? How long until your face is plastered all over Chicago media and your home address is shared live on TV? This is not about salary, healthcare, pension, or whatever! It’s about the quality of life, our dignity, and honor! We cannot rely on the FOP or anyone else! We must rely on each other! Regardless of your skin color, gender, religion, and sexuality, we all are blue! We are blue when we put on that uniform and star!
So, I am asking all of you who are reading this, if things continue to decline then it will be time to show a sign of solidarity. We will show solidarity by applying the blue flu method! Or any other method deemed appropriate. Right now would not be the right moment. But I say let us choose Memorial Day weekend 2018! Whether you’re a PPO or about to retire Veteran, we must stick together! We can make a difference if we stick together! This department had a legendary reputation, but we are now the laughing stock of the nation! Enough with the petty bitterness that divides us and let us come together! I am a blue shirt in a management spot, and I am more than willing to do what it takes to defend my brothers and sisters in blue. Pass the word!
Right now Rahm is in his pink slippers smoking a Virginia slim. Fucking poof.
COPA has an agenda, we all know that, so plz fop keep heat on and expose the political fraud they r 🖕🏼
I definitely remember the 21 foot rule from my time in the academy almost 20 years ago. In fact there was some kind of circle jerk game they made us play to embed it into our pliable little brains.
I been studying a bunch of Kung fu movies from the 1970s and 80s to Lear how I can dodge a swing from a bat,katana, knife, and nunchucks for just in case situations. I might have to change my name to Kao Fei or Shu Seng.
Following is the “revengful swordsmen” circa 1979.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PLAnaPiapBx1ljEZVqAU4WRHqdtZavV5Gn&v=aiA6yGuWC48
Go to the 20 minute for some footage that the gym staff will be training PPOs very soon
Guys you will need a lot of stamina for the future when you guys will be blocking and dodging bat swings
Joe Batters loved to Wack his bat, It's a preferred weapon of friends of ours.
When I got on the job the law was clear. Now the what's left of the law is blurred. Save yourselves. Show up to your job. Hand stupid his or her VIN or DIM and say as little as possible.
I thought they found out the 21 foot rule was never officially part of the training program at the academy. It was something that was just informally passed down, it comes from that old edged weapons video.
So.......it appears that what those wise souls conceived,
a nation of states, united under a republic governed by a constitution and bill of rights, has been usurped by the present spawn of imbecilic grifters.
This situation calls for the firm application of the powers enumerated to our republic's federal authority.
Since the state scoundrels choose to, at best, ignore and, at worst, concur with the suspension of lawful actions against the lawless, state authorities are in default of their sworn duty.
The often touted home rule absurdity does not make this city, nor this county, it's own state of the union.
Is our governor a traiterous shit?
Keep in mind that the Police Executive Research Forum, PERF, has been trying to discredit the 21 ft. rule. Even though only a month later an incident with a California peace officer vs. an armed offender (knife) solidified the 21 foot reactionary gap.
Retired .38 spl +P
Yeah, give COPA some headaches, big time.
They really don't understand our game, so hit
them with FBI stats, FBI training standards towards
varoius weapons, throw in some SS findings, training,
split-second decisions on lethal use of force.
Throw in kill zones for all lethal weapons, including
Daniel Boone throwing knifes and Bruce Lee impaling
stars. Get some James Bond shit and make them
memorize feet/second, muzzle velocity, feet to yards
conversion. A little pharmacology would bitch slap them
sober: angel dust, PCP, ecstasy, cocaine, methamphetamine.
Show them clinical cases about these drugs ability to increase
endurance and dull pain in these actors. Finally, ask the COPA
assholes where they went to medical school and if they are
currently allowed to practice and weigh in as experts.
Fuck you, COPA, you don't even realize what you DON'T know!
Back when I was at the academy COPA came and talked to us to tell us all about how COPA was there to help us. Male white COPA investigator introduced himself, said ok you guys I talk fast and loud and swear so just let me know if that's a problem. he proceeded to remove his blazer. He started into his story about when he was a homicide officer down south while rolling up his light blue shirt sleeves, exposing tattoos. He threw in how if your not getting CRs then your a lazy dog. Not to lie and tell the truth. In closing he gave a story about hitting an offender with some object, but that it was ok because of use of force model. Come on really the removal of his jacket and wearing dark blue slacks and a light blue shirt, He must have rehearsed this a bunch and has the outfit ready a week ahead. Probably wears it when dealing with POs so they feel that he is one of them.
O.T.
Please keep the family of retired P.O. James Boyle (018) in your thoughts and prayers as they mourn his passing.
Rest in peace brother you were taken too soon.
Classmate 86-9A
Use your heads.
Give them what they want.
We had a long chalk talk about self preservation with the recruits tonight.
I was glad to share decades of experience with them.
They understand that their physical, mental, emotional, and financial survival are the only things that should be on their minds.
Defffered comp and school now consume their thoughts and color their actions. City financed higher education is for the winners, dates at the Corp Counsel are for losers.
The ghetto is nothing more then a risk that must be managed on your way to the land of Critical Mass.
It’s all fun and games until a member of COPA receives death threats from the public, isn't that right LL? How are those death threats from the public working out? Would you like us to use force when Joe Blow comes for you?
Who oversees COPA?
Gym and Range Instructors! 21 feet drilled into our head for not only our safety bit also for the safety of (drumroll) the safety of the community a.k.a. citizens
If you initiate any contact with the populace at all, you’re a fool.
Sue the crap out of COPA. Then sue their employees (personally) one at a time. Show them how it feels.
Stay in the fucking car.
Wanna bet they'll say...." Hummina, Hummina, Hummina.", And "What you talkin about Willis".
This definition needs to be clarified by COPA and the State of Illinois. This is the issue that needs to be pushed to the fullest. Forget the no confidence vote it means nothing but assign one of our VP exclusively on this task. Every day on the news, waiting at the mayors office, waiting at COPA to get this definition. This is the key to the fair of JVD and many other P.O. that need to know where their risk of life lies. I wouldn’t give up on the search for the defined answer. Let the mayor and everyone else tell us the limit. That being said every P.O. and instructor would be on the witness list to testify to their training. Man had a knife, man was in the act of a violent act, man was fleeing a crimson act and is now dead becaus he caused fear for an officers life. Oh yah and was on pcp, ward of the state with no parents and a taser which would be banned today wasn’t available. Forget the no confidence vote and pound this issue until we get an answer. I don’t know who wrote the letter at the FOP but great job in doing so.
I suspect IG Furguson found all the evidence of the Lt cheating scandal. He gave it to Rahm. Rahm has it in case Eddie wants to make a move on him in the up coming Van D trial.
Who the fuck is the idiot to say what a "REASONABLE" officer would do? Are you kidding me?This is exactly what we are trained to do..The Officer was totally within reason! Most of all, NO WAY- NO HOW can you predict what one officer to another officer would do in any given situation. So this is going to be the norm i guess..everytime an officer gets involved in a situation the judgement will go against us because we have a panel of civilian morons who dont know the law. What a fucked up city and dept! God forbid we piss off the black community.
Again, see their web site. It looks like a USSR-Kremlin order of a secret org. Read the bio' of their comrades. Uncle Jos. Stalin is laughing in his tomb. Their investigations and interrogation's are conducted by a complete YES to the commie Rahm and anyway he wants it concluded. Their budget is 80 mil a year. You would think the Bat-Boy was a sainted war hero.
Hopefully all these minions of the new commie party shall be standing in front of a Federal no b.s judge in the future. The demo-rats and the Clintons, including Barry are card carrying members. Hillary, not the POTUS played with the USSR-aka Russia in 2016 and not the sitting prez.
The demo-rats are quite worried that their game plan for decades is coming to light.
Thank the Lord we got Trump in the WH.
The sissy suburbanite Mayor wants to screw the police every which way he can.
Remember his words in that email, "he bragged about sticking it in the ear of Police retirees by taking away their insurance"
No money for them , But he can find millions for ILLEGAL ALIENS.
Alot of your readers might not like the way McCarthy did things ,but compared to Superintendent Johnson,McCarthy was always a "stand up guy" when it came to sticking up for his officers,Johnson has his ass sooooo far up the mayor's ass he cannot hear....SAD. I have not once heard Johnson stick up for the troops while doing a press conference.. "what are you afriad of EJ ? Your bullshit "legacy" ? "PLEASE"......
A simple solution here is that officers should not or will not respond to any in progress calls until COPA and CPD brass clarify the Use of Force policy down to the exact inch, exact second, exact words to use, exact speed, exact body movements, exact facial expression and exact weapon to use for every single exact situation that an officer might encounter. The current version of the policy is just to fucking vague. A new revised one to include all of the above might need more than one brightly colored graph on a single sheet of paper and take years to write and read but at least we’ll know how to react. I know until this happens I’m taking my sweet time to roll on in progress calls. Can’t have your cake and eat it too.
How is that Irish girl that got her head smashed in with a bat along with her friend a few years ago here in chicago?? What was her name Natasha? If only she had a gun that nite. Oh wait...theyd probably make her the offender
SCC, AN IMPORTANT CLARIFICATION!
Too many people in both LEO and non-LEO circles have needlessly gotten themselves killed or injured because they mistakenly believed the Tueller Drill (a.k.a., "the 21-Foot Drill") is somehow a "rule." It is NOT a rule of any kind. It is ONLY a drill.
To quickly clarify, in March 1983, SWAT Magazine published an article by then-Salt Lake City (UT) Police Sergeant Dennis Tueller entitled How Close is Too Close? The article revealed that the average individual closed a gap of 21-feet in 1.5 seconds. Some younger and healthier individuals closed that gap faster; some older and less-healthy individuals closed that gap slower. But the AVERAGE individual closed it in just 1.5 seconds.
It also noted that the average trained individual requires 1.5 seconds to draw, present, and fire a holstered handgun. Again, some trained individuals do it faster, others slower. But the AVERAGE trained individual does it in 1.5 seconds.
There is NO rule or law or policy that precludes a LEO or non-LEO who is in reasonable fear of death or serious bodily injury to him or herself or others from drawing and firing at an assailant positioned more than 21-feet away. Indeed, the point of the article is that if you have waited until the assailant is at, much less within 21-feet you have likely waited too long to draw and fire your weapon -- so you had damn well better have other skill sets to protect your life and the lives of those around you.
As in the children's game "Telegraph," over time this simple fact has often been misunderstood as being some make-believe "21-foot rule." NO SUCH RULE EXISTS!
In the 35 years since Sgt. Tueller's article first appeared, countless techniques have been developed by LEO and non-LEO self-defense trainers to both get the GG off the X in order to give him or herself more time and distance to react to an attack with a contact weapon, as well as giving the GG more skills with which to react.
By the way, every day the FOP should be pounding this information into the collective heads of Rahm, Eddie, COPA, and the media.
Finally, as 2017 draws to a close, I'd like to say to all active duty and retired LEOs reading this, on behalf of all non-LEOs in Chicago like myself, THANK YOU for your service and for your families' sacrifices. Both are more widely understood and more deeply appreciated than you can ever possibly know.
God bless you, all. Stay safe.
Maybe these members of the so called "Oversight Committee" Should gear up and ride with the real police and see what the job really involves?? A bunch of liberal douches that don't know shit!! Get the fuck out of the way and let the police be the police!!
My opinion: This is Rahm's fault. He is responsible for training police. He handcuffed the police, didn't hire enough police, now is attacking the police for doing our jobs in the Quintonio LeGrier matter.
LeGrier is the crazy guy whose parents called the police because he was violently out-of-control, and then when they got there he attacked them with a bat. Thank goodness our officers didn't end up like Gregory Hauser and Raymond Kilroy.
Bruises on the hands of Chicago Police Officers Raymond Kilroy and Gregory Hauser indicate that they scuffled with Roman Chavez in his grandmother`s Northwest Side garage in an identical situation when she called for the same reason before he seized Hauser`s gun and shot the officers, investigators said Tuesday.
A pair of handcuffs was found on the floor of the garage at 2158 N. Nordica Ave., suggesting that the officers had attempted to subdue Chavez before he emptied the gun into them, investigators said.
The problem is the CPD trained the officers in the 21 foot rule and now COPA changed the standards. Really is unfair to judge a 2015 case on the new standards set by COPA. This is getting out of hand. Basically they are saying if you shoot or kill an offender, you did something wrong
nicely done FOP. Nicely done. Saw it on the news this morning.
The 21 foot safety distance was always touted,not as a enough distance to be safe, but the barest minimum in armed confrontatios. 20 feet with a barrier or 25 feet were preferred.
I put it in another thread and I will put it here too: There is no duty to retreat for a cop because that would simply be unworkable. Think there are a lot of carjackings now (as a result of our no-chase policy)? Well COPA and the mayor will certainly not put it in writing, but the 'wink-wink' unwritten General Order and the BS "Sanctity of Life" (no the liberals still LOVE abortions) policy is just a cowardly, badly expressed DUTY TO RETREAT. Hey, that's fine ... as cops have ALWAYS said ... "PUT IT ON PAPER" You want me just to get back in the car and code it out when some abused kid comes out swinging a bat? "PUT IT ON PAPER." You are going to hang me out to dry when I do not have super-sharp video game reflexes and cannot wait to shoot and offender the split second his bat it raised in attack mode? "PUT IT ON PAPER"
Get rid of Rahm. Problem solved
Officer must fight back. We have to do more than blog, FOP where are you?
I seriously doubt that the civilian investigating agency would put themselves in a box and respond to the FOP's questions. It used to be what a " reasonable man" would do and was judged in that mode along with a use of force model. But, I am guessing that is out the window now. Tough times are coming. Be glad you have a union and hope that they stay strong.
I think that the time for a slow down, a dramatic slowdown , is coming. Cause some havoc in the city and put the heat on the mayor. The mayor has lost control of the department.
For all the Officers who works the South and West side. Please stop with the car and foot chases. I know we got a job to do, but, these ungrateful savages doesn't appreciate your hard work and dedication. Don't take a chance of loosing everything you have. Do the very minimum and back each other up.
I was taught the 21 foot rule as an MP 30 years ago. Well established and common sense. COPA is simply Rahm's attack dogs and it is about time the FOP got off their asses and said something. Hope they keep putting even more pressure on COPA.
Back when I was at the academy COPA came and talked to us to tell us all about how COPA was there to help us. Male white COPA investigator introduced himself, said ok you guys I talk fast and loud and swear so just let me know if that's a problem. he proceeded to remove his blazer. He started into his story about when he was a homicide officer down south while rolling up his light blue shirt sleeves, exposing tattoos. He threw in how if your not getting CRs then your a lazy dog. Not to lie and tell the truth. In closing he gave a story about hitting an offender with some object, but that it was ok because of use of force model. Come on really the removal of his jacket and wearing dark blue slacks and a light blue shirt, He must have rehearsed this a bunch and has the outfit ready a week ahead. Probably wears it when dealing with POs so they feel that he is one of them.
*****
He is second in command of COPA. Forgot his name but he is a former homicide dick out or Georgia. Does this mean he is reasonable or good? Fuck no, he sold his soul for cash and will make a political decision to burn a cop if it means he keeps his spot or gets promoted. That’s funny, good observation/analysis of his pathetic bullshit attempts to appear like he’s one of us, and not a nutless snake sliterhing in the grass saying, “go ahead take a bite of the apple.”
None of what the FOP says or does matter to Rahm, COPA nor the media.
They’re all going to keep pandering to “the community” and incessantly pushing their “the police are the problem” agenda.
The local and federal FOP should be calling/sending detailed information to the US attorney generals office. No pro- police action will come from anyone within 300 miles. Don’t kid yourself...this will not be addressed locally. The treatment of police will only get worse.
COPA dogooders should have to be subjected to something I was taught a loooong time ago.
When those wanna bes make a claim, the proper response is "And YOU aregoing to have to SHOW ME how to DO that."
No, not talk about it, not oppose something already happened, not whine in the abstract.
Have COPA lead the way each day.
Have COPA be "Cop A". You know the A-Team!
Pretty foul having someone tell ya that you can't defend yourselves, huh? Worse, claiming you commit a crime when you do so. Wait, CPD been arresting people for half a century for daring to even prepare to do that, much less actually do it.
Please tell me you guys REALLY don't not see it yet. COPA is just the naturally progression of 'getting guns off the street". The difference, the only difference, is that this time it is YOU, instead of everyone EXCEPT the Only Ones.
If the FOP gets loud enough then Rahm will give a statement fully backing COPA.
Everyone knows COPA is following pussy Rahm’s orders and his agenda.
Is our governor a traiterous shit?
12/30/2017 01:48:00 AM asks.....
Well, yeah, and here is why.
Rauner is really just a Democrat who "crossed over"juuuust in time to run for office at a time when there was No Way any (D) had a chance to win. He is really a Democrat who feels like his party left him and he is just not as far off the deep end left as the zealot MadAgain for instance.
He and the entire ILGA an the entire judiciary, the BAR members they almost all are, are traitors and when it comes to your questions, the answer rests in WHERE THE HELL IS JEFF SESSIONS?
COPA deserves the same respect as Mueller's Special Counsel...FUCKING ZERO. Fuck them. Fuck the Deep State. Fuck all these elite pedophiles and Satanists. Fuck Rahm and Fuck the U.N.
"Back when I was at the academy COPA came and talked to us to tell us all about how COPA was there to help us."
/b//Back when COPA was invented -- earlier this year? Like maybe in June?
It's about time that the FOP puts something relevant out other than Porter or something that happened decades ago. Do m=not count on this being the norm. The Hall is filled with individuals who have never been the Police, therefore have no idea what Police Officers do. This should be fun!
I hear what everyone is saying, but what exactly does their decision mean in the real world. Can you be fired, suspended, indicted, can their decision be used in a civil case against an officer? Who over sees COPA, or are they just a lose cannon of the Mayor, doing his bidding for his political survival? What real authority does this agency have? It would be interesting to see if they report directly to the ACLU or use them for advise in their decisions. If I'm not mistaken, isn't COPA a direct result of Obama's DOJ? Presently, we have the Trump's DOJ and why in god's name is 9-1/2 following any of the recommendations of Obama's administration, but for purely political reasons. To all the new police, don't engage COPA for any reason, unless you ordered to do so, don't talk to them. The new rule should be, just like talking to the FBI, only with an attorney at your side; that advice now applies to COPA. Just my two cents, this is confusing and a concern to all of us.
@2:15 AM...that was BIG Jim Boyle, Bt 1872, My mentor, NOT Little Jimmy. It's OK, You can say Ooooopsy Daisey now....
This is a fucking joke!!! They make a statement that a reasonable police officer would not shoot this ass with a bat. Really are you kidding ???? It is our life or theirs, we have to go home every night... His family thought he was out of control and they feared for their lives that's why they called the police.. We need to do a complete work stoppage no pro active policing at all.
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What we need is federal standardization of use of force. All use of force training in the US should be the same as the feds and the use of force standards should be consistent across federal, state and local agencies. And training should be monitored for consistency. This would force the city to raise our standards of training. The department has known for a long time before JVD that our training is shit but they will do nothing about it unless they are spanked. Thirty rounds once a year is bullshit and they know it. It’s not training, it’s only a minimal skill qualification and a poor one at that. In the mean time limit your contact as much as possible and only perform stops when you are 100 percent certain that you are justified. Do not risk contact that may escalate unless the initial reason for the stop involves a serious threat to safety. Smile and wave.
How about you start slowly. First step is a vote of no confidence in mayor and aldermen. They follow-up with a no confidence vote Kim and Twinkeltoes. Finally a no confidence againt judges and Dart. Each tome would create opportunity to have press question why. Find an articulate spokesperson to present your point of view. This is an election year and bad press will be something to be avoided. Name names and site examples of why no confidence. You need to work with all first responders groups to show unity. Be sure to site SCC so more citizens are aware of what is really happening behind the scenes. Put the administration on the defense instead of the offense. Buy an ad in newspapers naming bad judges and aldermen, unless you tell the story the voters are clueless. Organize and protest this will get press. Picket in front of Sun Times this will get Tribune to cover story. Picket asking for truth be told about Exam cheating. Then move to Tribe this will get times involved, against for truth about when Rahm saw tape. Remember it's an election year.
This is a fucking joke!!! They make a statement that a reasonable police officer would not shoot this ass with a bat. Really are you kidding ???? It is our life or theirs, we have to go home every night... His family thought he was out of control and they feared for their lives that's why they called the police.. We need to do a complete work stoppage no pro active policing at all.
Rahm and his hand puppet have ruined this job.
Anonymous said...
those gym instructors are now sergeants in academy, not hard to find them
12/30/2017 12:26:00 AM
Maybe YOURS are.
Mine are RETIRED and, therefore, unafraid to speak the truth.
Maybe the guys who work mids and bring their neck pillows with them aren't so dumb after all. No caffeine and sleep all night. Most of all if your not a m/02 cause the Bosses shit their pants at the thought of a race or sexism beef aimed at them.
Wishing and hoping things will get better won't work. You have to work to make them better. Endorse a slate of law and order candidates then work hard to get them elected. Time is ripe now more people then ever have begun to realize city is not safe. Law and order will sell. Hard to defend continuing to let known criminals prowl the streets. No neighborhood is safe today, play on their fears. But above all become a strong unified voice and voting block.
Thank goodness the FOP is doing something about this. I am praying for justice to prevail for this officer.
Bring each member of Copa into the gym, have them stand there with a Sims pistol, I will charge at them with a bat. See when they fire and how many times. Then see what they hit.
Please tell me the most anti police hater sees through COPA's lies to get Rahm re-elected. They can still hate the police, just realized COPA thinks you are stupid.
Anonymous
Please keep the family of retired P.O. Jimmy BOYLE (018) in ur thoughts and prayers>>
I thought it was that BOYLE from 86-9 class,,,,but heard it was a different one with same name
Database all of this. I’m saving public pronouncements by pols,copa types, exempts. All going to my personal attorney.
For clarification : jimmy Boyle from 018 passed away at age 81 years. Jimmy ,the unibrow, the brow, the boilermaker, super Mario Boyle is alive and well. Nonetheless, Rest In Peace big Jim.
They are NEVER going to spell out clear guidelines for the use of force. The ambiguity is intentional so they can distance themselves from a politically inconvenient use of force incident; even if it is legally justified. Vague guidelines also push the liability onto the officer. The new taser order is a good example of this.
C’mon FOP. Organize two pre-planned marches for the spring. Publicize them well, and notify the national media, not just our local hacks. I’m retired, but I’ll come, because I know how the active po’s are suffering. I feel very sorry for you.
2 marches: One at City Hall, the other at the asshole’s house.
The problem is most of us won't stick together for the blue flu,true story.
Self preservation brothers. Take the long way to your jobs. Only go hot when one of us calls for help. I quit working a few years ago. This will only slow me down further.
All more reason coppers need to stop pro active policing and go into fire dept mode
It's been over for some time now. Law enforcement in Chicago is a dead issue. All we do now is keep the herd in line as best we can. Citizens in Chicago are on their own. Can't handle the crime? Move out. There will be absolutely no help from the Liberal Democrat politicians. We are now just victims waiting to happen.
We will show solidarity by applying the blue flu method!
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That wouldn't be hard where I work, if 3 coppers go on the medical we almost have no one at roll call. The problem with that is the people that come to work are buried with never ending jobs. oh well, the early cars will come at the end of the watch and help clear the rap.... Until they get their own rap an hour after we leave...
Am I the only one or is this not fun anymore?
So when can we expect to see Law & Order: Chicago COPA? A weekly television drama about a group of tireless investigators taking down all those dirty/corrupt/evil Chicago cops would surely bring in huge ratings in the “community”. They could even do a special called COPA: Traffic Unit about pulling over cops on patrol for violating IVC and issuing citations. Imagine the possibilities...
Just watch the Baseball Furies section of the movie The Warriors and pretend that the cops are the Warriors. That's all the training you'll need to combat baseball bat wielding assailants!
Memorial day weekend we show solidarity...
COPA adheres to the 21 inch rule.
I retired before the St. Jude parade was moved to the lakefront. Ends at the police memorial? Loved attending it when done on the north side.How about if the FOP applies for a permit for SOUTH Michigan Ave and have it circle the City Hall before disbanding. I like to think that our fallen heroes would be behind this idea all the way.Gay parade Billiken parade, Irish parade, all on city main thoroughfares. If they can do it, why can't we set a new route, straight to the tiny dancer's office.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I hear what everyone is saying, but what exactly does their decision mean in the real world. Can you be fired, suspended, indicted, can their decision be used in a civil case against an officer? Who over sees COPA, or are they just a lose cannon of the Mayor, doing his bidding for his political survival? What real authority does this agency have? It would be interesting to see if they report directly to the ACLU or use them for advise in their decisions. If I'm not mistaken, isn't COPA a direct result of Obama's DOJ? Presently, we have the Trump's DOJ and why in god's name is 9-1/2 following any of the recommendations of Obama's administration, but for purely political reasons. To all the new police, don't engage COPA for any reason, unless you ordered to do so, don't talk to them. The new rule should be, just like talking to the FBI, only with an attorney at your side; that advice now applies to COPA. Just my two cents, this is confusing and a concern to all of us.
12/30/2017 11:18:00 AM
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GOOD COMMENT!
COPA can't even spell check their website. Under the "About" section under "Our People" they listed their complaint section as "COMPLIANT" section. How do they expect the police to have any confidence in them?
1244am don't taint this shooting with JVD. That was all day long a bad shoot and he would've been fired from almost any other agency in the state. Rialmo and was being confronted by Legrier. That's the big clue.
memo to the "hard chargers"
you are at war!
...do you know who your enemy really is???
Let the stuttering and stammering begin. Bring a bat and knife to the meeting, that 21 foot rule is about to be expanded.
J.J.
12/30/2017 12:56:00 AM
That would be something special...
It's amazing how much bullshit you all take
Not a cop
news from the anti-police conspiracy...will nazicrat, anti-police Collaborator, Hiz Honor, da Meyer of New Jork, Billie De Blasio (birth name: Wilhelm Rudolph or something) order flags flown at 1/2 staff for the month of January to honor the death of 27 year old cheerleader of death who passed onto greener pastures after recreational drug induced heart attack ? Wadda'ya think ? Rahmie The Toad, would, I betcha.... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/30/erica-garner-dies-black-lives-matter-eric-garner-daughter
This guy was right: Anonymous 12/30/2017 12:30:00 PM
Your cop union needs to stop spending dues on whatever it spends it on (fancy luncheons?) and hire a real PUBLIC RELATIONS agency out of New York or Los Angeles, or anywhere but Chicago, and SPIN THE STORY your way.
Flood the newspapers and news stations with real cop stories about how dangerous it has become on the street and who the assholes are who made it that way.
Convince the public that the real enemy (and danger to public) is the top state, county and local leadership and not the necessarily the dirtbag "honor students" because . . . and I highly emphasize this . . . Chicago cops are perfectly capable of taking care of business and reducing crime in a harsh and no nonsense manner if left alone to do their jobs.
Face it. You've already lost the war on the streets. How can you operate when some jagoff oversight group is going to tell you how and when to use a Taser, let alone a firearm. No tactical rifles or shotguns? Are you kidding me? Elsewhere, Sheriff's department motorcycle units carry AR-15s . . . meanwhile you're being second guessed by complete moron homeowners on a review board (plus your own white shirt morons).
Whatever you're doing, it's not working. You have to win over the public and that's a fact.
Go to forcescience.org it is an excellent site to put into numbers and times of what happens in deadly police involved situations
>>>Anonymous said...
Bring each member of Copa into the gym, have them stand there with a Sims pistol, I will charge at them with a bat. See when they fire and how many times. Then see what they hit.
12/30/2017 01:09:00 PM<<<
Good Idea. Use a Nerf bat and put helmet on the COPA dude. But first show them what happens when a bat deforms a human head and brains splatter out the ears.
Looking to FOP is useless. They have shown in past that pact the will to really get involved. You all are the FOP go to meetings and force them to do their job. Start a recall vote to get new leadership. Change requires activities if you really want change you have to work hard and force the issue. I know it's easier to sit back and bitch and moan but nothing is going to happen for the better if that's all you do. It will also take some money. With over 7000 members $100@ will build a war chest of $700,000 nice start, once the ball is rolling you should be able to attract outside help once they see your serious in fighting city hall. Get some other Cook County forces to join your efforts as they too are being negatively effected by the war on the justice system. The police have more leverage than you realize, but it will take some effort to get everyone going in same direction. If you don't do something other then bitch and moan it will only get MUCH WORSE. Once they know they have you on defensive they know they have one and you become their little bitches. Is that what you want, to be someone's little bitches? Start by calling a special FOP meeting to get ball rolling. You need some new leaders that have some brass balls find them and support them.
They
Nobody like bad press in an election year, it puts them on defensive, look at what happened to Hillary with e-mails. Put Rahm on defensive. A CPD no confidence vote would be a good start see if the CFD or CPS would go along. Probably not but worth a try. Right now your an easy target, why Mt become a target that shoots back, much harder to hit causes you to duck for cover. Get smart and fight back it is really your only hope.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The local and federal FOP should be calling/sending detailed information to the US attorney generals office. No pro- police action will come from anyone within 300 miles. Don’t kid yourself...this will not be addressed locally. The treatment of police will only get worse.
12/30/2017 10:11:00 AM
been doing it for awhile squeaky wheel will get the grease,use your "squeak" dont be scared:
https://www.justice.gov/doj/webform/your-message-department-justice
A little off topic but. You might want to reconsider the security the CPD provides for the TV show Chicago PD. While as an ex Chicagoan it really makes you guys look bad. Crooked cops and out of control tough undercover unit creates impression that backs up the BLM narrative. Think twice about cooperation with this show. Just saying it is not doing you and favors in public perception, and we all know perception becomes reality.
>>>Anonymous Anonymous said...
I retired before the St. Jude parade was moved to the lakefront. Ends at the police memorial? Loved attending it when done on the north side.How about if the FOP applies for a permit for SOUTH Michigan Ave and have it circle the City Hall before disbanding. I like to think that our fallen heroes would be behind this idea all the way. Gay parade Billiken parade, Irish parade, all on city main thoroughfares. If they can do it, why can't we set a new route, straight to the tiny dancer's office.
12/30/2017 04:16:00 PM<<<
I retired after the move of the parade to the lakefront and I missed the old days. I suggested many times on this blog that we go back to Michigan Avenue every presidential election year. The public needs to see and appreciate us.
Richie Daley never attended and Rahm came looking like he went out o walk the dog and had a sneer on his face. We need to make the politicians take us seriously and even fear us.
Off topic, but worth a look...
https://hotair.com/archives/2017/12/30/new-york-citys-crime-rate-way-lets-fight-happened/
The problem is that there is several definitions for the use of force
for the City of Chicago. There's the 1- street, 2 - A/SA Foxx and 3 - the Judges.
Let’s start with fuckin’ insurance for the maxed out.
Not a penny over 2% or we stay and train the New Breed.
Fuck you.
Pay me.
Don’t count on the CFD. They wouldn’t even contribute to the retiree health care. They were affected by it, but why contribute if you can just sit back and if we won , they won
You are smoking something if you think CPS would go along with us
Anonymous Anonymous said...
We will show solidarity by applying the blue flu method!
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That wouldn't be hard where I work, if 3 coppers go on the medical we almost have no one at roll call. The problem with that is the people that come to work are buried with never ending jobs. oh well, the early cars will come at the end of the watch and help clear the rap.... Until they get their own rap an hour after we leave...
Am I the only one or is this not fun anymore?
12/30/2017 03:35:00 PM
Borrow a few front office or CAPS people. There plenty of them in the building
It's a simple solution start transporting all the homeless to Rahms block.
People can't see that Rahm held onto the video of LMcD for a payout to McDonald's family, during an election year, tried to silence the family with a gag order, THEN won a reelection...they won't be swayed by Truth, cuz they will never believe it! Those that serve the city are being railroaded by the same machine responsible for raising broken government funded, cradle-to the grave, welfare entitled ignorant criminal class! Democrat 101; keep 'em poor of mind & morals, enable & reward bad behavior, criminals are victims not offenders, foster a distrust of the police, keep them dependant on handouts that only Democrats provide, The Democratic Party Machine is the only one who will care for you! It's the Chicago way. People won't ask why does our Mayor need to go on a late night TV show & blab about Trump. His brother is trying to rebuild his reputation. The media was just on his jock with a story about "The Resurrection of Rahm" like hes a fucking Christ-figure, WTF! When was the last time you saw the Mayor of another major US city on a late night talk show, except for maybe DeBlasio. Rahm sucks, his policies are radical socialist to further the Democratic agenda, it's got nothing to do with helping ordinary people & everything to do with his over-stroked Northshore-to-D.C. Ego & keeping the money interests happy. He's made multiple fabrications in interviews that he Personally meets with Every victim of gun violence in Chicago. He lies all the time and he needs to be called out on his bullshit! Time to FOIA the audio & video from all these incidents & show what lead up to these encounters. The bad guy was the bad guy because....Everything now is played to the court of public opinion & the elected know it, the media are the lapdogs of the elected business interests. Time to show what the media wont. I'd donate heavily for tv ads run to show Rahm's true nature or for pro CPD spots & I bet youd find others willing to do the same! Phuq Rahm! Lots of good people appreciate the service of the CPD, but they aren't being heard, CPD isn't being heard, just city hall, Copa, ipra, KimFoxxx....Raise a collective voice before it's too late, appearently the out of control crime numbers, exodus of residents to other states, & lost tax revenue still haven't gained enough attention! Time to throw a wrench in the machine! Tell them what the media wont. This site is great, but how many is it reaching! FOP needs Pro CPD ads!
t's about time that the FOP puts something relevant out other than Porter or something that happened decades ago. Do m=not count on this being the norm. The Hall is filled with individuals who have never been the Police, therefore have no idea what Police Officers do. This should be fun!
Bella... And what did you ever put out? What statement or fight did you ever take up? In case you didn't notice, the Jackie Wilson case is back in the courts because you and Dean never once fought against the Torture Commission. That's not decades ago... it’s now. Perhaps if you hadn't been sitting on your ass for the last five years talking shit about everyone else along with Kathy Moore, it wouldn't be. You're just a blowhard who would rather see the current adminstration fail so you can put your cronies back in office and feed off the members for another three years. Best thing that could happen for the Lodge is you to go away.
Anonymous said...
C’mon FOP. Organize two pre-planned marches for the spring. Publicize them well, and notify the national media, not just our local hacks. I’m retired, but I’ll come, because I know how the active po’s are suffering. I feel very sorry for you.
2 marches: One at City Hall, the other at the asshole’s house.
12/30/2017 02:18:00 PM
The little fucker's REAL house...
Not the place @ 4228 N. Hermitage where he conveniently
doffs/dons his "beard" and his make-believe "children."
We heard whispers of Millennium Park/North Pier...
Yeah, we said North Pier...
Fuck that "New East Side" bullshit.
To us and many others, east of Michigan and
north of Randolph is still North Pier...
Fuck the union we need to organize ourselves
Obviously COPA is not a walking dead fan.
Did you see what negan’s bat did to poor Glenn’s head.
Negan bashed in poor Abraham’s head with his bat as well.
It was horrible. I’m stilll in shock!
TWD 4 LYFE.....
"Savings of 'Nearly $13,000'" - CBS analyses three tax-paying couples and finds ALL SAVE SIGNIFICANT MONEY with GOP tax cut plan!
http://commoncts.blogspot.com/2017/12/savings-of-nearly-13000-cbs-analyses.html
“the officer will instantly win his lawsuit against the Department's inadequate training.”
Is the training inadequate and a long running joke? Without a doubt, but the city will bring up the fact he was a Marine Machine Gunner in Iraq and received training in rules of engagement & shoot don’t shoot. That will be factored in as to whether the city can be held accountable .
rap an hour after we leave...
Am I the only one or is this not fun anymore?
12/30/2017 03:35:00 PM
No, I agree, and it’s been un-fun for a long time.
The future of the Chicago Police Department is riding on Supt Johnson's answer to this.
If he sides with COPA and throws the officer under the bus, he will destroy whatever morale is left and send a message to the rank and file that you are nothing but expendable POSs to him, the Department and the City.
Crime is spiraling out of control and the Department is becoming less proactive all the time. The citizens NEED a police department.
This customer service model where "The Customer is always right and Give them what they want" does not work in law enforcement. If you want omeletts, you must crack eggs.
Big choice and big chance. The world awaits your answer and see if you have ANY leadership at all.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I think that the time for a slow down, a dramatic slowdown , is coming. Cause some havoc in the city and put the heat on the mayor. The mayor has lost control of the department.
12/30/2017 09:25:00 AM
But he has total control of the Command Staff.
The Union is such a joke, yes they will sometimes represent you if you get in a jam .When they tell you, your case has been denied, you better appeal. The decision...you should appeal(they will deny you based on expenses), if not, you are fool. Don't expect your Union Attorney or Union Rep. to go above and beyond for you, you have to do your own homework and investigation to get any satisfaction. My Attorney for FOP failed to consider rule 14 violations, Civil Right Violations, and hold those responsible for testilying under OATH. The Attorney said, the Arbitrator, hired by the City Of Chicago, has no choice but to appease the City to get hired again. Its a no win situation.
Anonymous said...
news from the anti-police conspiracy...will nazicrat, anti-police Collaborator, Hiz Honor, da Meyer of New Jork, Billie De Blasio (birth name: Wilhelm Rudolph or something) order flags flown at 1/2 staff for the month of January to honor the death of 27 year old cheerleader of death who passed onto greener pastures after recreational drug induced heart attack ? Wadda'ya think ? Rahmie The Toad, would, I betcha.... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/30/erica-garner-dies-black-lives-matter-eric-garner-daughter
12/30/2017 04:39:00 PM
Since when can a mayor order flags flown at half-staff (or is this just the city flag, which doesn't stand for much of anything under that idiot). I thought only the President or the state governor could do that.
And why the hell would anyone seek to 'honor' her because she's the dead daughter of a criminal? She's a person who stroked out. It's unfortunate for her family, but it isn't the passing of Mother Teresa.
Why dont LEO and their families march around Rahm's block? Block sidewalks, streets and alleys? Inconvenience his neighbors one Saturday morning, like he has inconvenienced you? Go clog up the red line.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I hear what everyone is saying, but what exactly does their decision mean in the real world. Can you be fired, suspended, indicted, can their decision be used in a civil case against an officer? Who over sees COPA, or are they just a lose cannon of the Mayor, doing his bidding for his political survival? What real authority does this agency have? It would be interesting to see if they report directly to the ACLU or use them for advise in their decisions. If I'm not mistaken, isn't COPA a direct result of Obama's DOJ? Presently, we have the Trump's DOJ and why in god's name is 9-1/2 following any of the recommendations of Obama's administration, but for purely political reasons. To all the new police, don't engage COPA for any reason, unless you ordered to do so, don't talk to them. The new rule should be, just like talking to the FBI, only with an attorney at your side; that advice now applies to COPA. Just my two cents, this is confusing and a concern to all of us.
12/30/2017 11:18:00 AM
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GOOD COMMENT!
12/30/2017 04:17:00 PM
Some good point, but hey, what is there authority based on and who over see COPA. As they the final say or do we have to take them to court in a civil action?
12:30&5:42pm - You both make excellent points. We should also talk to NYPD-PBA and get some pointers, such as how they got the Sgt/Lt/Capt's Benevolent Assn.s to unify and literally turn their backs on Mayor DeBlasio when he disrespected two of their fallen comrades. "In unity there is strength."
Retired .38 spl +P
While it’s better than nothing we need more... lots more.
How about a full page ad in the newspapers decrying the railroad job?
How about organizing a march?
Rahm will support COPA.... after all they came up with the finding that Rahm ordered
So the FOP must be extremely critical of both COPA and Rahm.
12/30/2017 04:16:00 PM<<<
I retired after the move of the parade to the lakefront and I missed the old days. I suggested many times on this blog that we go back to Michigan Avenue every presidential election year. The public needs to see and appreciate us.
Richie Daley never attended and Rahm came looking like he went out o walk the dog and had a sneer on his face. We need to make the politicians take us seriously and even fear us.
12/30/2017 07:26:00 PM
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Fuck rahm, daley and the reviewing stand. The press ignored the march back then other than a short story buried on page 9 and a 15 second mention of it on TV news.
BYT, 7 to 10 THOUSAND coppers marching around City Hall as part of the parade to respect our fallen brothers and sisters WOULD get NATIONAL press coverage. Hey I can dream, right? 12 coppers would be all who would show.
12/30/2017 09:39:00 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
t's about time that the FOP puts something relevant out other than Porter or something that happened decades ago. Do m=not count on this being the norm. The Hall is filled with individuals who have never been the Police, therefore have no idea what Police Officers do. This should be fun!
Bella... And what did you ever put out? What statement or fight did you ever take up? In case you didn't notice, the Jackie Wilson case is back in the courts because you and Dean never once fought against the Torture Commission. That's not decades ago... it’s now. Perhaps if you hadn't been sitting on your ass for the last five years talking shit about everyone else along with Kathy Moore, it wouldn't be. You're just a blowhard who would rather see the current adminstration fail so you can put your cronies back in office and feed off the members for another three years. Best thing that could happen for the Lodge is you to go away.
12/30/2017 09:45:00 PM
If you knew Bella's background you would be astonished! How's that "salami" nonsense going? Notice how bellowing Bella got real quiet lately? The trains coming Greg supporting cr numbers on coppers when your friend tags another copper and you encourage this!
Every officer erroniously disciplined by COPA or IPRA should file suit against the city for lack of training.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The future of the Chicago Police Department is riding on Supt Johnson's answer to this.
If he sides with COPA and throws the officer under the bus, he will destroy whatever morale is left and send a message to the rank and file that you are nothing but expendable POSs to him, the Department and the City.
Crime is spiraling out of control and the Department is becoming less proactive all the time. The citizens NEED a police department.
This customer service model where "The Customer is always right and Give them what they want" does not work in law enforcement. If you want omeletts, you must crack eggs.
Big choice and big chance. The world awaits your answer and see if you have ANY leadership at all.
Have no fear, the city will find a way around it like the did in the retiree healthcare case. To avoid having the Illinois Supreme Court uphold the city having to subsidize the retirees healthcare like they did in the Illinois state employees healthcare case, they just decided not to hear the case
They will find a way around. Maybe have shot recommend a short suspension, then have the police board be the fall guy and ignore the recommendation and fire him
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The future of the Chicago Police Department is riding on Supt Johnson's answer to this.
If he sides with COPA and throws the officer under the bus, he will destroy whatever morale is left and send a message to the rank and file that you are nothing but expendable POSs to him, the Department and the City.
You need his answer to this to figure it out? Have you seen and heard what is going on?
Hold on haters ! The Hall is filled people that have never been the police ? Wow ! Put your name on that instead of hiding behind posting anonymous . Let’s see Murray - Englewood , Prieb - 005 , 009 and 024 , Ryan - SOS , Garza - 004, Bartlett - Swat , Caps -009 and Aguilar -014. Let’s look at some of the previous administration : Dean - Unit 231 Medical section , Ray - Range , And Kilmer -016 . The REAL police
Don’t buy into the haters who had their chance and failed . They only want to get back in !!!!
If Johnson goes through and recommends seperation then a city wide blue flu. Don't wait until Memorial Day just start it asap. Prove a point.
Officers, perhaps I missed it but I saw NO comment as to the way you (any Officer) make a statement to a Detective or ANYONE ELSE when you have been involved in a traumatic situation and a suspect or bystander is injured or killed (shooting, violent assault, bad car wreck in which you were driving, etc.)
Your COPA fixates on the "inconsistency" of Officer Rialmo's statements. When faced with a situation you should NEVER speak to an investigator or even another Officer immediately after the situation. I speak from 37+ years on the Nashville Tn. PD including 28 on Patrol and 9 as a plainclothes Detective. We had the FOP as our representative most of that time and we had attorneys on call that would come to the scene to speak with the Officer. You can make a short statement to let the investigators know the basics but you NEVER make a formal statement (on the scene or otherwise) without an attorney present. Things happen too fast, time slows or seems to speed up, you have NO idea of how long things took or even how many shots were fired until you can sit and decompress and THINK about it. It may take days but you have a constitutional right to (A). Have an attorney present and (B). Not make a statement if you don't feel right about it. Your brass may not like it (I'll guarantee that) but you have that RIGHT.
Once you make the formal statement then you are one and done. Second statements and "followups" do nothing but generate inconsistencies that can be used to hammer you.
First thing on the scene of another Officer's situation is to make sure that he/she does not develop diarrhea of the mouth and tell them to SHUT UP and make sure an attorney is called. No lawyer, no statement. You give that consideration to the worst of them, now afford it to yourself and your partners. You want to explain yourself and you feel the need to fill silence with your comments as to how your actions were correct and all you do is walk into the same trap that your "clients" do every day.
I read all of the COPA report and have to say a lot of this would not be an issue had the two Officers availed themselves of this opportunity to take a breath and speak with a person that is paid to LOOK OUT FOR THEIR INTERESTS.
Anonymous said...
The future of the Chicago Police Department is riding on Supt Johnson's answer to this.
If he sides with COPA and throws the officer under the bus, he will destroy whatever morale is left and send a message to the rank and file that you are nothing but expendable POSs to him, the Department and the City.
Crime is spiraling out of control and the Department is becoming less proactive all the time. The citizens NEED a police department.
This customer service model where "The Customer is always right and Give them what they want" does not work in law enforcement. If you want omeletts, you must crack eggs.
Big choice and big chance. The world awaits your answer and see if you have ANY leadership at all.
12/30/2017 11:16:00 PM
You're not from around here,are ya'?
Special Ed will answer the way the Mayor tells him to.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I hear what everyone is saying, but what exactly does their decision mean in the real world. Can you be fired, suspended, indicted, can their decision be used in a civil case against an officer? Who over sees COPA, or are they just a lose cannon of the Mayor, doing his bidding for his political survival? What real authority does this agency have? It would be interesting to see if they report directly to the ACLU or use them for advise in their decisions. If I'm not mistaken, isn't COPA a direct result of Obama's DOJ? Presently, we have the Trump's DOJ and why in god's name is 9-1/2 following any of the recommendations of Obama's administration, but for purely political reasons. To all the new police, don't engage COPA for any reason, unless you ordered to do so, don't talk to them. The new rule should be, just like talking to the FBI, only with an attorney at your side; that advice now applies to COPA. Just my two cents, this is confusing and a concern to all of us.
12/30/2017 11:18:00 AM
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Very good points, the confusion is only beginning. For us that have time on the job, we will do what is best for our own safety. The new babies are another story, they're going to get themselves killed or another. That's the immediate problem I see.
Rahm will support COPA. COPA was designed to help Rahm win the election. Eddie will do as Rahm tells him to. Edie knows that the officer wasn’t malicious but he’d rather sacrifice the little fish to save the big fish.
If COPA calls you on a CPD phone don’t answer any questions unless you’ve been serve with an official complaint or you’ve been allowed to secure counsel. Those clowns have no idea what their job description is. They are just winging it.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I hear what everyone is saying, but what exactly does their decision mean in the real world. Can you be fired, suspended, indicted, can their decision be used in a civil case against an officer? Who over sees COPA, or are they just a lose cannon of the Mayor, doing his bidding for his political survival? What real authority does this agency have? It would be interesting to see if they report directly to the ACLU or use them for advise in their decisions. If I'm not mistaken, isn't COPA a direct result of Obama's DOJ? Presently, we have the Trump's DOJ and why in god's name is 9-1/2 following any of the recommendations of Obama's administration, but for purely political reasons. To all the new police, don't engage COPA for any reason, unless you ordered to do so, don't talk to them. The new rule should be, just like talking to the FBI, only with an attorney at your side; that advice now applies to COPA. Just my two cents, this is confusing and a concern to all of us.
12/30/2017 11:18:00 AM
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Very good points, the confusion is only beginning. For us that have time on the job, we will do what is best for our own safety. The new babies are another story, they're going to get themselves killed or another. That's the immediate problem I see.
1/01/2018 11:54:00 AM
I don't know why you would ever talking to COPA or BIA/IAD without an attorney present. Never waive council. This must be some real new shit because I only have 15 years on. Oh yeah.... phones are for ordering pizzas, not talking to COPA.
COPA cannot order you to do anything, only a CPD supervisor can.
I foresee quite a few lawsuits Vs COPA and their slew of pencil neck beards and functionally literate Hatorade swillers.
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