We're Number Six!
Hey Rauner? Madigan? You might want to look at this:
- Illinois again lost population last year and now has been surpassed by Pennsylvania as the nation's fifth-largest state.
That's the "Christmas gift" of sort—a nice lump of civic coal—from the U.S. Census Bureau today as it released its latest estimates of state-by-state population changes.
Look for lots of reactions from the candidates for governor and others after the new data sink in.
According to the bureau, in the year ended June 30, Illinois lost 33,000 people, about a quarter of a percent of its population, dipping from 12,835,726 to 12,802,023. As one of my colleagues quipped, that's equivalent to a town such as Northbrook moving away.
This ties into the post the other day about out-migration endangering the so-called "bailout" of pension liabilities.
Labels: state politics
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
112 Comments:
I just can't wait to join the club who left. It can't come soon enough. Screw this State, County and City. God bless the other free states and god bless America where one can leave the State and be welcomed by another.
I'm so sick of the politicians here that I have made up my mind to leave know matter what. Seven years left.
GP
I don't understand why anyone who doesn't have to be here would want to stay. Crazy regulations, insane taxes and goofs for leaders.
Republican Voter!
Next year it will be Seven!!
Legalize weed! That's really going to save the place. NUTS!
How many of those move aways are homicides?
The article I read said one resident leaves Illinois every 4.3 minutes! Does that include illegals? Does anybody on welfare ever leave? Apparently, the people leaving are taxpayers and the tax base goes with them. The deficit will be made up by higher taxes for those who remain. At this rate of flight, I wonder if anyone can really expect the municipal pensions to survive at their current rates. In essence, our pensions have become a Pyramid Scheme, and when you run out of suckers at the bottom, those at the top get nothing. Thank God, that Rahm has our backs. Baby "G"
I can only speak of Chicago; high crime and taxes. I plan on moving and I have a lot of friends who plan on doing the same.
I can only speak of Chicago; high crime and taxes. I plan on moving and I have a lot of friends who plan on doing the same.
I can't wait to see how low it gets be for things change?
Houston will surpass Chicago as the nation's third most populous city.
Illinois has the worst state out migration in the nation.
What is it going to take before elected officials lessen to the people they serve. People are leaving because of taxes, lack of good jobs, crime, over regulations, and jag off politicians. I can't believe more people don't leave. I won't be staying. I can see us easily moving to number 9 within the next 5 years.
Counting the days until I leave and yes I'm leaving the state too :)
Only a fool would up grade anything on their homes! I sure wouldn't buy any extra properties in the Area. It's like a fools bet rolling a rock up a hill. Save your extra money and get out.
Illinois politicians (especially the democrats) are some of the dumbest of their ilk. They’re too stupid to figure it out and will blame the mass exodus as people fleeing our weather. Madigan should be arrested and summarily executed.
Only 43 more places to go!
According to the troll "Oswego Willy" at Capitol Fax (Rich Miller's soap box for regurgitating Madigan's talking points) Illinois was a utopia prior to Rauner's election. It wasn't like Madigan had not pushed a balanced budget since 1990.
Detroit Michigan was once one of the biggest cities in the United States, and one of the richest.
Trust Me, A disaster like that will never happen to Chicago.
This Shit News is really going to hit the fan in a Big Way , ( PENSION WISE ) Time to Bale Out Big Time , PARACHUTES ON , A friend of mine recently moved to Northwest Indiana , and he now even tells me that since so many people have now Moved there , Traffic is unbelievable , when NEVER before was there a traffic Jam at all ANYWHERE in Indiana, And Increasing every DAY
People are moving out. FACT.
Now,let's look at who are moving out?
Retirees (many taking Illinois pensions out-of-state)
Working people (many looking for better jobs, some looking to get out of all these taxes)
Poor People?? Oh, no - they are staying. Why leave?
With the wealth of this state moving out, there is going to have to be some drastic measures put upon the whole pension shortfall debacle.
No candidate is going to have the balls to say something has to be done. The best thing any of them will do is skirt the issue and kick the can down the road.
When it comes to government-funded pensions (state, county, local and teachers pensions), the hard reality is- those pensions should be spent here and have the money recirculated in the economy that is liable to pay those pensions.
Why is that important? Spending the pensions here, in this state, helps the economy. It recirculates the money locally - whether it be at a restaurant, a car dealer, Wal-mart, or any local store or business.
When that money is sent to Florida, Arizona, Missouri, or wherever, that money is taken out of Illinois' economy permanently and the spending of it helps that state's economy and not ours.
Should out-of-state pensions be taxed or paid out differently? BIG question.
Cost-of-living is a double-edged sword. The "Cost-of-living" is always used to demand more money for wages because Chicago has a "higher" cost-of-living.
But, if the pension is being spent in a lower cost-of-living state, you don't need as much to live on. The "cost-of-living" is cheaper, so you don't need as much.
10%? 20%? What is a fair number to reduce the pension by? Plus, the loss of the re-circulation of money into the Illinois economy. That is a real problem as well.
Don't want to look at pensions that way? You're entitled to 100% of it - no matter what? OK.
Well, with pensions underfunded by about $150Billion (or more), something has to give. Taking a cut on out-of-state pensions would be a good idea.
If not, there is always Federal Bankruptcy court. A government agency can declare bankruptcy and wipe the slate clean. Then, recipients can see if they a nickel or dime on the dollar. That is a 90%-95% cut in what you will get AND that will effect everyone. (AND with the "quality" of FOP lawyers, I would say if they got you the nickel, they would be doing well)
Can't happen? I never thought the city could sell off their Parking Meters either.
They did.
Add me and my family to that next year
>"Illinois again lost population last year ..."
How can this be true?
The existing population is clearly being replaced by anti-U.S. nationals. And the birth rate for anchor babies clearly appears to be going up, not down.
Even the Sheeple have a breaking point where they say enough is enough.
Retired CPD in Oklahoma says....
Left Il. five years ago, only thing I miss is the pizza.
Low taxes, is a super plus on property out here $986.00 yr. on $200K hse. 4 bedrms, 5yr old ,...on 100 acres.
Out in the Ozark Mountains, Quality of life ... well the peace, quiet, beauty...back to the 1950's life here. Sure we have are crime here, some yahoo going 50 mph in a 35 will get front page in the county paper. Stolen push lawn mower ...arrest and recovered in three days that is a head liner.
Stay Fetal
Stay Safe
Go home happy.
And a big Fuck You to that little bastard punk Rahm,... jagoff.
I predict Illinois will be at number 7, in population in a few short years, along with losing 1 or 2 DemocRATic congressmen, which can't be a bad thing for this crooked State, City and County!
How long will it be before they try to declare a residency requirement to receive your pension?
I can't wait to leave this city & state and be around civilized human beings and for you liberal rats stay in the Democrat states that you and your skinny socialist president and weasel asshole mayor have destroyed with crime taxes.
With the loss of population shouldn't we be losing congressmen soon?
Max out your 401k and hope nationwide doesn't go under,the pension debt is to far gone.
Cut the Gold Braid pensions for a start. ♠️
"...I read that Illinois loses one resident every 4.3 minutes..."
It's not the same guy, is it?
Get while the gettin is good.
Tax Base will leave and those who remain will be the extremely wealthy and those who depend on government assistance. Sounds like a great city
For years I've watched coppers, firemen, and all city workers vote for these thiefs. Now these same voters are moving away to help the crooks avoid any obligation to their pensions. Can't blame the con men for taking advantage of easy marks.
It really sucks here in Fort Myers today. It's only going to be 84 degrees.
Well, Madigan enriched himself and his family. That's all that matters.
The Madigan-Cullerton death spiral continues.
Illinois is fine, right Mike?..
I’m outta here this spring when the construction of my home is completed. Many of us must go to where you can get the most for your pension dollars and Indiana works well for me in that respect.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
According to the troll "Oswego Willy" at Capitol Fax (Rich Miller's soap box for regurgitating Madigan's talking points) Illinois was a utopia prior to Rauner's election. It wasn't like Madigan had not pushed a balanced budget since 1990.
12/21/2017 01:06:00 AM
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Capitol Fax is just a soapbox for Illinois Democrats. Anything critical of Dems is deleted.
Oswego Willy is a deluded tool, but he's only one of a gang of shills on that board.
But if you want to understand the average Illinois voter, he is it.
This is how far we've sunk.
Oh yeah, but,but,but, the Casino will solve all those money woes.
Oh yeah, Never Mind!
Many pension funds are invested in the stock market.........how's that going this year?
Not sticking up for Illinois but here are a few facts. High crime is in Chicago. Living in a nice suburb or town has no more crime than any other place in the country. Our pension is not state taxed. That's a lot of money at tax time. Most of family and friends are here. The best of everything is here. Food, entertainment and so on. The politics are the same everywhere. You want to go move to the mountains and just sit and stare at them 24 7 then good luck. Been here my whole life, what's the point now. To save a few bucks at the last few years of your life.
Can you feel it slipping away? The balance of tax payers vs. entitlementarians is sinking the ship of state.
All this while Rahm goes on talk shows and touts "Chicago values" to give the President the finger! He and Obama should share the same cell!
Ah, visions at 0208 a.m.? Sorry bud, we were prisoners on the job to the residency rule. Retirees don't have residency problems. no health insurance either, but freedom. Put that in your commie pipe and smoke it.
Left a year ago. Best decision ever.
Just the facts, I left Chicago in Oct. 1997 for western Rural Montana. I have family and 3 grandchildren in Chicago area. I have not been back since 2009. I have no plans to visit again. Like the person in Ok there are no sales tax in Montana low crime and peace and quiet. I am 74 walking with two canes, I don't carry a gun when I walk out my door. We have bears and mountain lions but I feel safer in the middle of the night outside than at noon at State and Madison. I don't want to live in a city with savages and their spawn of savages. When I left Chicago I didn't realize that I was suffering from PTS it took five years for me to chill out. I live 50 miles from the closest Costco. It takes less than an hour to get there. When I first moved here there were no speed limits during the daytime hours. (now 75 daytime most roads)Another law that was changed about 8 years ago was that you could drive while drinking a beverage like beer as long as you were not DWI.
All Pritzker talks about is Trump, not how he is going to help cut down on taxes. Typical Demorat.
How come their still hanging around englewood ? People who hang around on porches and sit in parked cars should take note, you know the target shoot population.
I'll lost one resident every 4.3 minutes in 2016.
Get a Dremel tool to mark your push mower or
copy serial number. Grand Theft, Ozarks.
Everyone should look at this as the seventh sign of the end, who going to pay taxes to support are pensions.
Let us talk about (Chicago) government waste: A quick search reveals that Philadelphia has about 1.5 million residents, Pittsburg has about 315,00, Allentown has about 110,000, Erie has about 105,000, and Reading has about 82,000. Top five cities in PA combined adds up to about 2.2 million. Chicago has about 2.7 Million. If you add all City Council Members for the top 5 populated PA cities you get 34. Chicago has 50 for one City. Seems to me Chicago can let go about 25 City Council Members and probably save a lot of money!
https://joeforamerica.com/2016/12/republicans-vs-democrats-a-tale-of-two-costcos/
I work downtown and IDGAF, if I travel the distance from the cheddar curtain and back until I can find work up there. This will improve life for my family overall. What's left anywhere near this city to stay for?
Democrats don't care. Only the smarter people are moving (the ones that can) and they are not voting for the Democraps anyway
If you read the full article the situation is really much worse than 34000 out migration. When normal birth rates are factored in the actual number is about 125,000. And a big number of that is the productive contributing class, leaving only the takers behind.
Illinois is doomed.
Retired CPD in Oklahoma says....
Left Il. five years ago, only thing I miss is the pizza.
Low taxes, is a super plus on property out here $986.00 yr. on $200K hse. 4 bedrms, 5yr old ,...on 100 acres.
Out in the Ozark Mountains, Quality of life ... well the peace, quiet, beauty...back to the 1950's life here. Sure we have are crime here, some yahoo going 50 mph in a 35 will get front page in the county paper. Stolen push lawn mower ...arrest and recovered in three days that is a head liner.
Stay Fetal
Stay Safe
Glad it worked out for you. Enjoy your retirement
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I'm so sick of the politicians here that I have made up my mind to leave know matter what. Seven years left.
News flash. You will be sick of the politicians wherever your move. Do you think Illinois has a monopoly on bad politicians. They are the same everywhere
Keep moving out and shopping outside illinois so less taxes get paid to fund the pensions you collect. Idiots
When that money is sent to Florida, Arizona, Missouri, or wherever, that money is taken out of Illinois' economy permanently and the spending of it helps that state's economy and not ours.
Should out-of-state pensions be taxed or paid out differently? BIG question.
You are kidding right? Did you forget this is America and you can spend your money anywhere you want. If you are a f'ing politician you should have thought about this decades ago and made changes that would have made people want to stay here in Illinois.
What you are proposing is absurd. You do realize no other state does that? That would be just another reason why people would hate this state. Whatever you are smoking or drinking (or both) STOP NOW!
Until this state and the people that still live here wake up and make some hard choices about who we elect to public office, nothing will change. Take a look at the people running for office. Housewives(no slam on them as they run a household but not a state), low lifes (Tio Hardiman), and others who have absolutely no experience in this arena running and winning offices due to voter apathy. Then we stumble along with inexperienced people with no clue how a state should be run.
Illinois *new* State Song
Turn Out The Lights by Willie Nelson
YouTube Video 2:24
Turn out the lights, the party's over
They say that all, good things must end
Call it a night, the party's over
And tomorrow starts the same old thing again
What a crazy crazy party
Never seen so many people
Laughin', dancin'
Look at you, you're havin' fun
But look at me, I'm almost cryin'
That don't keep her love from dyin'
Misery, 'cause for me the party's over
Turn out the lights, the party's over
They say that all, good things must end
Call it a night, the party's over
And tomorrow starts the same old thing again
Once I had a love undyin'
I didn't keep it, I wasn't tryin'
Life for me was just one party
And then another
I broke her heart so many times
I had to have my party wife
And then one day she said
"Sweetheart, the party's over"
Turn out the lights, the party's over
They say that all, good things must end
Call it a night, the party's over
And tomorrow starts the same old thing again
And tomorrow starts the same old thing again
Even with the huge Illinois income tax increase ..unpaid Illinois bills surged to $16 Billion ?... Unfunded Illinois pensions .. surged to $130 billion???
Chicago and Illinois turning into shitholes... Illinois Home to illegals ,,but taxpayers fleeing ...LOL Democratics ...Rahmacide, Mikey Madigan
SCC has touched before, but unbelievable.... 2017 arrests on track to be 40 % below 2015 in Chicago..
Hmm carjackings in Chicago, more than double in 2017 vs 2015
Left Chicago in 1966 thanks to the military draft. Never returned even though I had job offers. In the past 51 years I have lived in seven different non Illinois locations and 37 of those years in the Deep South. I now live in the NW Florida Panhandle (Emerald Coast) for the past 30+ years--worked and retired here.
I visited my parents and extended family yearly thru 2011 and watched Chicago and , Cook County deteriorate. They are circling the drain. The only way out of the impending disaster is (1) for the Illinois, Cook County and Chicago is to raise taxes (counter productive) and have severe budget cut backs--and we know that will never happen or (2) declare bankruptcy or default on all retiree obligations which will screw over all working tax paying citizens and retirees. Another 10 years Chicago, outside of the Loop and North Side locations will start resembling Detroit.
Chicago has voted for this for years and continue to do so. The flight of taxpayers and jobs is only going to escalate as politicians do nothing. Enough of this dreary commentary. It is 60 degrees, the sun is shining and I am going to go for a peaceful walk in the woods. -- Ex Marquette Park Person--
Just wondering Kevin graham,Greg Bella (so quiet now), marty,Kenny Hauser has the city made the required contributions? Kenny with President trump who is finally making America great again,and the stock market rising what is the return on pension investments? Have you fired any so called "investment managers" who are under performing> lastly why are rahms pets like the treasurer on our board?
On another note any progress on the pension rip-off gold braid nonsense like where rahms detail are paid sergeants.commanders pay being all patrolmen which is OK but allowing "our pension" to payout at that rate is ludicrous! Why also does the treasurer and city clerk have security specialists getting the d-3 pay and they able to dip into the pension and take an undeserved pension dip? With President trump manning up and doing the right thing for America maybe someone on the pension board could man up and stop the pension grab! Trump is "making America great again" how about you Kenny and Kevin "Making police pension solvent again!" that would be "Change we can believe in!"
Hey Kevin any word on talking to the evil man that took away police retirees pensions,and giving millions away to illegal criminal?
Why is it so hard for the Democrats running this state into the ground to realize that their own policies are causing this exodus? Instead, they should open their eyes and change things so that people will want to live here. How about lowering taxes on businesses as well as residents, stop with the sanctuary state crap, and get the freeloaders off the government teet. That's a start. I'd bet that if they did these three things that this problem would start to reverse itself.
Anonymous said...
Retired CPD in Oklahoma says....
Left Il. five years ago, only thing I miss is the pizza.
Low taxes, is a super plus on property out here $986.00 yr. on $200K hse. 4 bedrms, 5yr old ,...on 100 acres.
Out in the Ozark Mountains, Quality of life ... well the peace, quiet, beauty...back to the 1950's life here. Sure we have are crime here, some yahoo going 50 mph in a 35 will get front page in the county paper. Stolen push lawn mower ...arrest and recovered in three days that is a head liner.
Stay Fetal
Stay Safe
Go home happy.
And a big Fuck You to that little bastard punk Rahm,... jagoff.
12/21/2017 03:21:00 AM
Good for you bud. Continue to live the good life and keep Chicago in your rear view and never look back. That is what most of us if not all are trying to do. Most importantly, take care of yourself.
But, if every productive citizen leaves out, retirees will soon be down and out in their new locations. When relocating, it might be best to know the location of the nearest food pantry and donated clothing bins because you will need them. I'm going to stay put in Illinois, just not in Cook County.
But, if every productive citizen leaves out, retirees will soon be down and out in their new locations. When relocating, it might be best to know the location of the nearest food pantry and donated clothing bins because you will need them. I'm going to stay put in Illinois, just not in Cook County. I am attired in my suit of armor, so let the rock throwing begin.
with the new tax changes regarding the loss of ability to deduct state and local taxes on your fed return the speed of people leaving should only increase
Baby-G pensions have always been a pyramid scam they've always offered to pay out more then what was put in by the pensioner and earned through Investments that money's got to be made up somewhere about time it all came to an end, they all ought to be 401ks get out what you put in...
The time to leave Illinois is now before they come up with an exit tax.
How else might Illinois f#@k with you trying to leave the state?
How bout taking away city pensions to non-residents.
OR
Changing the law that defines what an Illinois resident is. For example you have to leave the state for more than let's say five years before you are no longer considered an Illinois resident. Which would mean you own state income tax for those years.
Oh yeah. there's a lot of ways Rahm Emanuel and Illinois politicians can screw with you. Estate taxes on money earned while an Illinois resident. Inheritance taxes etc.
Illinois is so hard up for money look at all the 'computer glitches' to keep from having to pay out federal aid money the state has. The VA computer glitch in Illinois about six months ago that created a manual paperwork backup load that they still haven't entered to catch back up. More recently the food stamp system is f$%ked up again with seniors and vets not getting their monthly check.
One computer glitch after another. Do you really think it's an accident? This place is bankrupt. The dirty tricks are just starting.
My CPA suggested IN or KY, and actually warned that the pension could very well be greatly diminished at some point in the future.
God d@mn I hate what the political class has done to this once great city...
A death spiral occurs when the combined effects of many negative factors causes further decline which leads to more negative effects which are unable to be overcome by positive factors, if any.
By any measure, Illinois is in a death spiral. How you should react depends on your situation.
If your future pay and retirement benefit depends on the state remaining solvent, and if you have at least another 10 years to work, you should begin immediately planning your exit as a way to minimize your future financial damage. "Exit" might involve a job not dependent on the state. Or it might involve a different state entirely. Either way, "state of Illinois" needs to be removed from your equation.
There simply is no way to avoid the pending financial disaster. Population is leaving. Businesses are avoiding. Debt is increasing. Madigan smiles, because HE did it.
What possible fairytale ending can possibly bring this to a happy ending? Will Snow White suddenly appear and climb into bed with the crotchety King Madigan thus causing cardiac arrest?
The state should be so lucky.
If not, there is always Federal Bankruptcy court. A government agency can declare bankruptcy and wipe the slate clean. Then, recipients can see if they a nickel or dime on the dollar. That is a 90%-95% cut in what you will get AND that will effect everyone. (AND with the "quality" of FOP lawyers, I would say if they got you the nickel, they would be doing well)
Can't happen? I never thought the city could sell off their Parking Meters either.
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Are you joking? The city of Chicago has a shit load of money for all sorts of nonsense; 90 million for bike lanes, 55 million for DePaul, 7 million for the white sox restaurant, million dollar grants for former el rukin gang member turned muslim Ameena Mathews and her gang banger buddies at CeaseFire, million dollar grants for illegal immigrants' legal defense, and 15%-30% salary raises for all of Rahm's administration staff. This doesn't include the money that was pocketed after cutting the police force to 9,000 when it was budgeted for 13,000. Don't tell me the city can cry poor when they have plenty of it for all this shit, plus more. Bankruptcy is not even option for this shithole because they have too much money being spent here.
I'm one of the people who left this year. Couldn't stand the waste and corruption. So much happier in this new lower-tax state.
For those in the private sector, there's still money to be made in this rat-hole of a state. But, you can bet for those of us who want to remain and take advantage of it, we're minimizing our footprint (especially where taxes and fees are concerned) here in IL and making sure we have a place outside of this "progressive" utopia. Once we've pulled what we can from the remaining prog-lib spenders, we'll uproot and get out of dodge to greener pastures. Until then, we suck it up, toe the party line, and fly under the radar in order to line our pockets with their money.
"Out migration", code for taxpayer flight.
J.J.
"Out migration", code for taxpayer flight.
J.J.
So when is the announcement coming out about cuts to welfare benefits?
(Standby for riots and general mayhem as comedy activists take to the streets.)
J.J.
NEWS FROM ILLINOIS POLICY OUT TODAY
Chicago has some of the highest taxes on travelers in the nation. Whether it’s fees on transportation, steep taxes on lodging, or brazen shakedowns of entertainment and dining venues, local politicians find a way to get their slice.
One sector of the Chicago population will not be audited, censored or tallied...those receiving Rahm’s Card and the IL Sanctuary DL, which probably come with a Democratic voter registration attached. Migrants in - Taxpayers out.
Chicago the formidable geographical oddity, will always be able to churn out more Democrat votes than there are actual citizens.
Heard the obnoxious US Rep. Quigley Diddler (IL D-5, Rahm’s guy) on the radio yesterday whining about how Illinois homeowners will be sorely affected by the Tax Reform that passed through Congress. His rant was all about how citizens won’t be able to deduct their real estate taxes. He didn’t mention that the deduction was limited to $10,000. That’s a lot of r.e. tax to pay and unlikely a neighborhood bungalow. I’d don’t think Rahm’s tax bill is $10k and he gets the full write off.
Quig Diddler won’t touch the issue to explain to the taxpayer why IL- Cook Co real estates taxes are so damn high in the first place.
Taxes never-ever go down, appealing and reducing high r.e. rates only goes in favor of the Burke & Madigan Law Office clientele.
Quig Diddler feels the problem is with the limitation of the deductible amount and not the unfair r.e. taxation table.
Still a big mystery on taxation and the appeal process that usually is so slight and taken away the very next year anyway.
Quig Diddler does Nothing for the taxpayer. Not a peep comes out when Cook Co and CPS exceed their annual budgets and can only raise the tax to squeeze more $ from the homeowner.
The article I read said one resident leaves Illinois every 4.3 minutes! Does that include illegals? Does anybody on welfare ever leave? Apparently, the people leaving are taxpayers and the tax base goes with them. The deficit will be made up by higher taxes for those who remain. At this rate of flight, I wonder if anyone can really expect the municipal pensions to survive at their current rates. In essence, our pensions have become a Pyramid Scheme, and when you run out of suckers at the bottom, those at the top get nothing. Thank God, that Rahm has our backs. Baby "G"
Meanwhile, 100 people A DAY move to Nashville, TN. Oh wait, Republican Mayor, Republican Governor. Carry on Libtards.
Those leaving are contributors any coming are drainers. Time to raise taxes and fees again got to make for all the lost revenue. 33000 times $5000@ (real-estate, payroll taxes and extortion fees)= $165,000,000 in lost revenue. This in a state that is BILLIONS behind in pension payments. Someone is going to have to pony up more to cover the debt. Guess who that someone is? Get out while you can.
Residents fleeing Oak Lawn, Evergree Park, Alsip, Burbank and other southwest Suburbs, while Mayor Tubby Tuna and Constituates eat and drink themselves into their usual dysfunctional coma's. It's the Blind following the blind, here in Donkey-crat Land.
So we got that going for us.......right Rahm, Bruce??
Yes,
a few years ago we had 21 congressman. now we have 20. next census, 2020 maybe lose another one. Congress is limited to 435 congressmen and it goes on population. Every state gets two senators. Illinois's are both buttheads. Each state gets at least one congressman. Small states like Wyoming which is # 49 or 50 gets one.
Business cares not where the flow of spending comes from.
Unlike a mildly thirsty traveler, who does care about the quality, and, thus, the source of the water he craves, business has no need of such concern.
As long as it spends, business will oblige.
Thus, the attractive nature of any area to business is measured in units of spendable money. The easier it is for the customer to spend, the more business is pleased.
Debt spends just fine, either debt incured by the individual customer or debt incured by the collective pool of taxpayers.
If it spends, business will take it. Gladly.
Were Detroit to have not thoroughly depleted it's supply of taxpayers, it would still be an area attractive to business.
Were Detroit to have retained a semblance of ability to have an employed populace capable of both being taxed and maintaining personal debt to spend, ditto the preceding.
The concept of imposing a prededucted tax upon governmental pension recipients, in lieu of a blanket percentage calculation reduction or the dreaded bankruptcy nullification of pension commitments, is, while objected to for reasons too obvious to bother enumerating, possibly the only viable means to attempt to keep the spending of taxpayers money within the areas from whence it has been taken via taxation.
There is also the amazing, though understandable, concept that a government employee, any branch of government, can consider a 100% of earned income to be warranted as a pension income. This is not at all a common occurrence in the real world of private employment. Not even close. Which presents the difficulty of convincing the very taxpayers, present and future, to remain within an area insistent upon complying with said pension calculations, regardless of the concept of commitment to same.
We Know Best, And We're Protecting You.....
Dayton-area Black borrowers denied home loans
more often.....
From researcher Lisa Nelson at Federal Reserve Bank
of Cleveland...
Between 2005 and 2016, Blacks were turned down 59%
of the time vs. 28% for Whites
(Hey, what happened between 2007 and 2008?
HOUSING COLLAPSE! Real Estate peaked in 2006.
Stock Market crashed in 2008).
And You're Blaming the White Man? BULLSHIT!
If ya just got out of the Military and your last duty station
was Dijibouti, and you have no current job, you're gonna
get turned down.
Are you joking? The city of Chicago has a shit load of money for all sorts of nonsense; 90 million for bike lanes, 55 million for DePaul, 7 million for the white sox restaurant, million dollar grants for former el rukin gang member turned muslim Ameena Mathews and her gang banger buddies at CeaseFire, million dollar grants for illegal immigrants' legal defense, and 15%-30% salary raises for all of Rahm's administration staff. This doesn't include the money that was pocketed after cutting the police force to 9,000 when it was budgeted for 13,000. Don't tell me the city can cry poor when they have plenty of it for all this shit, plus more. Bankruptcy is not even option for this shithole because they have too much money being spent here.
Your comment sounded good until you brought up that stupid crap about the CPD going from 13,000 to 9,000. Totally not true, never happened, not even close. CPD manpower was low, but get over it it was never down to 9,000
You sound like Hillary saying she didn’t lose the election
Anonymous Anonymous said...
If not, there is always Federal Bankruptcy court. A government agency can declare bankruptcy and wipe the slate clean. Then, recipients can see if they a nickel or dime on the dollar. That is a 90%-95% cut in what you will get AND that will effect everyone. (AND with the "quality" of FOP lawyers, I would say if they got you the nickel, they would be doing well)
Can't happen? I never thought the city could sell off their Parking Meters either.
What you thought about the city selling off the parking meters has nothing to do with any bankruptcy. All it shows is that you were wrong about that and you are wrong about any bankruotcy
Even Owe-bama wouldn't stay here...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Keep moving out and shopping outside illinois so less taxes get paid to fund the pensions you collect. Idiots
12/21/2017 09:31:00 AM
You talk like the politicians are honest and trying to do the right thing rather than the fact they are almost all self-serving corrupt scumbags pushing their own agenda and spending money on their own special projects. Keep paying those huge property taxes and other assorted fees. They love using other people's money to further their corrupt spending habits.
“Retired CPD in Oklahoma says....
Left Il. five years ago, only thing I miss is the pizza.
Low taxes, is a super plus on property out here $986.00 yr. on $200K hse. 4 bedrms, 5yr old ,...on 100 acres.
Out in the Ozark Mountains, Quality of life ... well the peace, quiet, beauty...back to the 1950's life here.”
Do you know what planet you’re on?The Ozarks are in NW Arkansas and western Missouri. Ask Retired CPD Chester Hornowskis family how that peace and quiet worked out for him? In the meantime, you might want to back off the Moonshine Pappy Yoakum
We have bears and mountain lions but I feel safer in the middle of the night outside than at noon at State and Madison.
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That sort of sums it up, doesn't it?
To: Meanwhile, 100 people A DAY move to Nashville, TN. Oh wait, Republican Mayor, Republican Governor. Carry on Libtards.
Nashville Mayor, Megan Barry is a registered Democrat, the majority if the rest of Tennessee is Republican.
The article I read said one resident leaves Illinois every 4.3 minutes! Does that include illegals? Does anybody on welfare ever leave? Apparently, the people leaving are taxpayers and the tax base goes with them. The deficit will be made up by higher taxes for those who remain. At this rate of flight, I wonder if anyone can really expect the municipal pensions to survive at their current rates. In essence, our pensions have become a Pyramid Scheme, and when you run out of suckers at the bottom, those at the top get nothing. Thank God, that Rahm has our backs. Baby "G"
Meanwhile, 100 people A DAY move to Nashville, TN. Oh wait, Republican Mayor, Republican Governor. Carry on Libtards.
Nashville???? Nashville is as liberal as they come surrounding Nashville is republican!!
So yesterday I'm on the expressway driving to my medical appointment at Northwestern Hospital. As usually, the highway is packed with traffic, in both directions. As I exit the Ohio feeder ramp, I look up to many recently built high rise buildings. I also notice many under construction. I drive to the top floor of the Northwestern Hospital Parking garage, which is filled to the brim. I manage to push into a crowded elevator. The hospital, as usually, is packed with medical type people. As I walk onto the surrounding neighborhood, I find myself crowded on the sidewalk. Time to drive home, more heavy traffic. My Point is: If All These People Are "Fleeing Chicago and Illinois", Why Are They Still Here, and Blocking My Way?
"Seriously" There are a lot of Professional Hard Working People still living in, and enjoying Chicago.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
“Retired CPD in Oklahoma says....
Left Il. five years ago, only thing I miss is the pizza.
Low taxes, is a super plus on property out here $986.00 yr. on $200K hse. 4 bedrms, 5yr old ,...on 100 acres.
Out in the Ozark Mountains, Quality of life ... well the peace, quiet, beauty...back to the 1950's life here.”
Do you know what planet you’re on?The Ozarks are in NW Arkansas and western Missouri. Ask Retired CPD Chester Hornowskis family how that peace and quiet worked out for him? In the meantime, you might want to back off the Moonshine Pappy Yoakum
Congratulations on making an ass of yourself. In your haste to criticize this retiree you didn’t do your homework. There are the Ozark mountains in Oklahoma. The ozarks run through four states
Below is a link informing you of this. Don’t let facts get in the way of your criticism
http://www.destination360.com/north-america/us/oklahoma/mountains
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Business cares not where the flow of spending comes from.
Unlike a mildly thirsty traveler, who does care about the quality, and, thus, the source of the water he craves, business has no need of such concern.
As long as it spends, business will oblige.
Thus, the attractive nature of any area to business is measured in units of spendable money. The easier it is for the customer to spend, the more business is pleased.
Debt spends just fine, either debt incured by the individual customer or debt incured by the collective pool of taxpayers.
If it spends, business will take it. Gladly.
Were Detroit to have not thoroughly depleted it's supply of taxpayers, it would still be an area attractive to business.
Were Detroit to have retained a semblance of ability to have an employed populace capable of both being taxed and maintaining personal debt to spend, ditto the preceding.
The concept of imposing a prededucted tax upon governmental pension recipients, in lieu of a blanket percentage calculation reduction or the dreaded bankruptcy nullification of pension commitments, is, while objected to for reasons too obvious to bother enumerating, possibly the only viable means to attempt to keep the spending of taxpayers money within the areas from whence it has been taken via taxation.
There is also the amazing, though understandable, concept that a government employee, any branch of government, can consider a 100% of earned income to be warranted as a pension income. This is not at all a common occurrence in the real world of private employment. Not even close. Which presents the difficulty of convincing the very taxpayers, present and future, to remain within an area insistent upon complying with said pension calculations, regardless of the concept of commitment to same.
12/21/2017 09:36:00 PM
I know you are trying to sound sophisticated with your convoluted writing "style". It's not working.
The good news is, when all the taxpayers are gone, all the votes will be for democrats, at least the democrats that stay. :)
J.J.
Chicagoans, Better get on the Trump Train real soon. These Communists who have been running your City, County, and State for decades are sending you all to the ash heap of history, with your residents and property owners sitting on top of the slow burning pile of ashes.
I know you are trying to sound sophisticated with your convoluted writing "style". It's not working.
12/22/2017 10:12:00 AM
What you know could fill a postage stamp. It's working. Stamp filled.
(Is that better?)
Your comment sounded good until you brought up that stupid crap about the CPD going from 13,000 to 9,000. Totally not true, never happened, not even close. CPD manpower was low, but get over it it was never down to 9,000
You sound like Hillary saying she didn’t lose the election
Oh ok, that must be why they cancel a 5 day block of RDOs over every holiday and restrict time due EVERY WEEKEND. Not to mention roll calls totaling a whopping 6 officers on a good day- yeah manpower numbers are way off. You sound like Hillary saying she never had any classified emails.
Anonymous said...
Your comment sounded good until you brought up that stupid crap about the CPD going from 13,000 to 9,000. Totally not true, never happened, not even close. CPD manpower was low, but get over it it was never down to 9,000
You sound like Hillary saying she didn’t lose the election
Oh ok, that must be why they cancel a 5 day block of RDOs over every holiday and restrict time due EVERY WEEKEND. Not to mention roll calls totaling a whopping 6 officers on a good day- yeah manpower numbers are way off. You sound like Hillary saying she never had any classified emails.
No, you know more than everyone. Big conspiracy on CLEAR all the names and ranks by seniority were fed in to fool the public and you. Your union has published the numbers at over 12,000 just for what reason. To lie to their members and help the city hide the numbers and of course the pension fund is conspiring with the city when it states in its annual report the number is over 12,000. Doesn’t matter to you that they have accountants and regulations and that if they list 12,000 they had better account for the 9 1/2% contributions No they are all wrong and are copying Hillary. Everyone is against you and are wrong but you see a few guys in roll call and have some DO’s cancelled and you are the expert. Everyone else is lying
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Your comment sounded good until you brought up that stupid crap about the CPD going from 13,000 to 9,000. Totally not true, never happened, not even close. CPD manpower was low, but get over it it was never down to 9,000
You sound like Hillary saying she didn’t lose the election
Oh ok, that must be why they cancel a 5 day block of RDOs over every holiday and restrict time due EVERY WEEKEND. Not to mention roll calls totaling a whopping 6 officers on a good day- yeah manpower numbers are way off. You sound like Hillary saying she never had any classified emails.
Or it could be that they have 12,000 sworn but way to many are in the front office, CAPS, timekeepers ,watch secretaries and other hidden po’s so there is a shortage of po’s on the street.
Add inspector general Ferguson to all the other liars.
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/04/18/inspector-general-report-chicago-police-department-officers-district/amp/
Oh ok, that must be why they cancel a 5 day block of RDOs over every holiday and restrict time due EVERY WEEKEND. Not to mention roll calls totaling a whopping 6 officers on a good day- yeah manpower numbers are way off. You sound like Hillary saying she never had any classified emails.
12/23/2017 10:58:00 AM
It’s obvious you don’t work in 007, 011 or any other busy south or west side districts. Check their numbers at roll calls, see how many tact teams and special teams and assignment are out there but there are only 6 at your roll call
“Congratulations on making an ass of yourself. In your haste to criticize this retiree you didn’t do your homework. There are the Ozark mountains in Oklahoma. The ozarks run through four states
Below is a link informing you of this. Don’t let facts get in the way of your criticism “
I stand corrected. But they are far from the Nirvana that the poster claims they are. The extreme irony that Officer Hornowski who survived the killing fields of Vietnam and the streets of Chicago only to be gunned down in the Ozarks.
The Ozarks are far from being a pastoral Utopia that you and the poster may believe they are. I stand by my criticism in light of my geographical mistake. Btw Bonestroke,I’ve travelled extensively through Missouri and Arkansas as well as Southern Appalachia and wouldn’t dream of spending the rest of my days amongst the inbred narrowminded miscreants that inhabit those regions. But if they’re your kinfolk, have at it Lil Abner.
Anonymous said...
“Congratulations on making an ass of yourself. In your haste to criticize this retiree you didn’t do your homework. There are the Ozark mountains in Oklahoma. The ozarks run through four states
Below is a link informing you of this. Don’t let facts get in the way of your criticism “
I stand corrected. But they are far from the Nirvana that the poster claims they are. The extreme irony that Officer Hornowski who survived the killing fields of Vietnam and the streets of Chicago only to be gunned down in the Ozarks.
The Ozarks are far from being a pastoral Utopia that you and the poster may believe they are. I stand by my criticism in light of my geographical mistake. Btw Bonestroke,I’ve travelled extensively through Missouri and Arkansas as well as Southern Appalachia and wouldn’t dream of spending the rest of my days amongst the inbred narrowminded miscreants that inhabit those regions. But if they’re your kinfolk, have at it Lil Abner.
12/24/2017 01:19:00 AM
No doubt you prefer to spend your waning days among the local savages who will share your openminded Progressive values. Till they eat you.
I stand corrected. But they are far from the Nirvana that the poster claims they are. The extreme irony that Officer Hornowski who survived the killing fields of Vietnam and the streets of Chicago only to be gunned down in the Ozarks.
The Ozarks are far from being a pastoral Utopia that you and the poster may believe they are. I stand by my criticism in light of my geographical mistake. Btw Bonestroke,I’ve travelled extensively through Missouri and Arkansas as well as Southern Appalachia and wouldn’t dream of spending the rest of my days amongst the inbred narrowminded miscreants that inhabit those regions. But if they’re your kinfolk, have at it Lil Abner.
Have to agree with you when I read about retirees in Tennessee , Arkansas, Mississippi, etc. I didnt see many places or communities I would want to stay. And if you retire in any big city in those states, you encounter the same problems as Chicago. Who can forget the movie “Deliverence”.
Did u c the Sun Times article today about Hornowski? And the pic of the offender. Shot Hornowski 22 times
Not my idea of retirement, move to Arkansas and have run a boarding house. Trying not to be a Monday morning quarterback, but there has to be a better way and place to retire
“No doubt you prefer to spend your waning days among the local savages who will share your openminded Progressive values. Till they eat you.
12/24/2017 02:25:00 PM”
It was a local savage that murdered Chester Hornowski Gfy
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