Who Approves This? (UPDATE)
We asked rhetorically the other day about who approves the Taser General Order without assessing the practical applications and consequences of such a misguided piece-of-crap order.
We got an answer....in more detail than we thought possible:
We got an answer....in more detail than we thought possible:
- ....the way the order is currently written, a PO is forced into an “outcome-based” situation…if the taser deployment is deemed “good”, the PO is ok. However, if the taser based deployment is viewed by COPA as having a “less than desirable outcome”, the PO is screwed because of the wording of the order.
ANY AND ALL CPD POLICY REGARDING USE OF FORCE STARTS AND STOPS AT WALTER KATZ
Katz was hand picked by 9.5 and ONLY KATZ has the final word regarding CPD use of force policy; if Katz can’t be convinced it’s a good idea, it will never be implemented. I can’t tell you the number of hours that gets spent trying to explain things to this guy. His agenda is NOT the police; it is PUBLIC PERCEPTION and covering the Mayor’s ass. His claim to fame is that he wrote the Use of Force Police for the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department. Everything that we try to implement on the CPD is compared by Katz to that policy.
We must admit that we had never heard of this guy. Here's some helpful links to bring people up to speed on who is playing tiddlywinks with your career, reputation and freedom:
- Press Release announcing hiring
- Twitter Account, much of which would get you looked at by COPA/IAD
- San Jose Mercury News fawning profile
- another biography
- Q and A with Katz outlining a bunch of his philosophy
Suffice it to say, a lot of the contradictions in the Taser Order were understandable after the above explanation and reading up on this guy. He's cut from the same cloth as those ACLU pukes who dictated the "consent decree."
You want to see the face of "de-policing"? Obama at the top of the list, followed by Holder and Lynch. Then Rahm and others like him, desperate to hold onto their power by hiding videos and covering for the clouted. And finally, there are the foot soldiers like the ACLU's Gupta and this guy, put in place to wreak havoc for their masters, writing policy that is so convoluted, cops would rather sit back than put themselves in the trick-bag for an administration that will fuck them at the drop of a hat.
For some reason, following the posting by this insignificant blog, the Twitter account is now "locked down," meaning no one can view it unless they're a subscriber. It's almost like he's ashamed of all his "tweeting" as it reveals to much of his progressive agenda. Funny how the progs scurry for cover when the lights come on.
You want to see the face of "de-policing"? Obama at the top of the list, followed by Holder and Lynch. Then Rahm and others like him, desperate to hold onto their power by hiding videos and covering for the clouted. And finally, there are the foot soldiers like the ACLU's Gupta and this guy, put in place to wreak havoc for their masters, writing policy that is so convoluted, cops would rather sit back than put themselves in the trick-bag for an administration that will fuck them at the drop of a hat.
For some reason, following the posting by this insignificant blog, the Twitter account is now "locked down," meaning no one can view it unless they're a subscriber. It's almost like he's ashamed of all his "tweeting" as it reveals to much of his progressive agenda. Funny how the progs scurry for cover when the lights come on.
Labels: city politics, department issues
posted by SCC at 12:09 AM
117 Comments:
Just saw his picture. He’s a pretty ugly fella. Woof.
I would hate to be 5 years on or 10 years.. with a wife, kids, baby andva mortgage and and car note that is equivalent for o a mortgage--/ and have to put my lively hood on the line for using a taser. That's were we are boys, girls and transgenders-- enjoy!😁
Sad what the department has come to. A SJW in a position to fashion policy while the city burns from the mayhem from the community.
Why anyone on this job, would do anything other than answer calls for service, just baffles the mind.
I don't get it. Who benefits from all of this? Sure the obvious answer looks like Foxx's family and friends from the projects but if anything they're the losers and they're losing more everyday. No, it's not them. Is it Toni Preckwinkle, and her lackey Kim Foxx, or Lori Lightfoot? Some would say Rahm is to benefit but not likely. He seems to be a willing pawn being used by Toni so as to make good on his escape from this city.
Chicago seems to be a litmus test for something very bad. Chicago is, by no means alone. One look east and there we have Detroit, Baltimore, and Philadelphia all failing and getting worse. I thought I'd never leave this city but my entire family has not only moved out of Chicago but Illinois over the last 10 years. Even my wife's family has moved out of this state. I just don't get it. How does educated tax payers leaving Chicago let alone Illinois benefit Illinois politicians?
What they fail to see is the broader picture. The more that the department caters to a democratic leftist liberal snowflake rhetoric the more they put the city as well as the officers in a liable situation. As they rewrite policies and add words like "objectionably reasonable", "when practical", and even "could" that brings a vagueness to the orders that is open to interpretation to a situation that occurs in a couple seconds. What is objectionably reasonable to people that are trained as law enforcement officers and who have years of experience dealing with chaotic situations at the peril of life or limb may not be objectionably reasonable to the aforementioned groups. We need clear and indisputable policies that say "bad guy does this.... you can do this ... and whatever happens to him that was unintended (tased and dies or more seriously injured by a fall etc) is his own fault". Catering to these groups makes it easier to file lawsuits and punish officers so they can claim that copa was even necessary. This also removes personal liability for an offenders own actions.
You cant paint officers into corners by expecting them to analyze a situation that unfolds in seconds. It is not only unfair, but also makes it impossible to get it right all the time. Cops are human, they will make mistakes. When you add more and more things for them to try to figure out in those seconds, it adds an unnecessary burden and adds more risk to their lives as they might not react in time to save themselves or others because there is too much to contemplate including being held criminally liable for reacting to a criminals actions.
Give them what they want ... go to work , answer your calls making sure you arrive in a safe manner, hand out useless pieces of paper to make them feel good, rinse lather repeat , all you hard chargers need to STOP and think about your family, your livelihood and your freedom. The Chicago Police Department will never be what is once was ...adapt , overcome and get out ASAP. Until the FEDS come in and drain the swamp from he top down , your a disposable cog in an inefficient machine period.
I see where this is going. Katz and Rahm just
might be able to bump into each other in church.
This "outcome based" bullshit is MBA-generated
and has even invaded the medical profession.
You lower the B.P. or blood sugar, and you get
brownie points. If patient don't give a shit and
won't follow instructions, the doctor is penalized
financially because the patient number's were
outside of parameters. Management is looking
for a scapegoat and a way to save money at the
same time. Meanwhile the MBA's get fat annual
bonuses. We've seen this movie before.
STAY FETAL! STAY FETAL! don't sign out the taser, don't use it or carry it. If you have to, just keep it in your bag. You wanna SPAR me go right ahead. Better then being stripped, sued or fired. A day, ok I'll put 3 more to that with my rdo's if you know what I mean. Unfortunately this job has gone to the dogs. Stay safe, back each other up and just give the good citizen their report.
Unfucking believable!Shitcago and coppers are fucked!
Laws, as written by our political class, are not designed to be complied with; they are designed to be impossible to be certain of precisely what does and does not define compliment. As in, what comply meant. As in, did I or did I not comply.
It must be admitted that it takes a certain talent to compose, even in legalese, a law which meets the standard of flexibility equaling or exceeding ambiguity.
It appears that Wally here has such a talent, albeit he lacks the attractive appearance required to be sold to even the most ignorant voters as a candidate for elective office.
Not that this absence of attractive appearance has kept Wally from garnering a position to impose his whimsy upon others. Perhaps this is fortuitous, as thinking of Wally having the authority to impose taxes, create ever more ambiguous law and generally screw the pooches of others lends a single positive note to his existence.
The obvious factual reality of, if ya don't want none, don't start none, eludes the talented thinking's of Wally, as it does so many.
Human society is, as a default, difficult enough, without the effective enforcing of the basic, essential natural laws.
Ya know, like.....do not kill your neighbor, if the asshole doesn't fuck himself by forcing you to.....do not take/steal from your neighbor, no matter how much you covet his stuff......do not break/damage your neighbor's stuff, nor your neighbor's flesh, not even if you find yourself in the mood to fuck up somebody's shit, motherfuckers!!!!!......etc......
So, Wally, enjoy your being so talented at mish mash, gobbledygook bullshit. While you pat yourself on the ass for the spiffy job you've done, your neighbors will continue to enjoy the absence of any effective preventative actions being taken to reduce their being subjected to being, in no particular order of likelihood: robbed, mugged, raped, battered, ripped off, carjacked, murdered, maimed, burglarized, bitch slapped, pick pocketed, pissed and shit upon, and, in general, made to regret they were ever born into a society of humans.
At least your neighbors can take solace in not being born a schmuck.
Oh FOP, where art thou? If it means not getting my handbook on time - then please take on this monster immediately.
Isn't their anyone in city with a brain, why all the outsiders setting policy. Guess not kind of a rhetorical question. City has to depend on outsiders because born and raised Chicagoans have no common sense since they keep voting in the same crooked cast of characters to run things. Stupid is as stupid does, and you can't fix stupid.
Not impressed.
Chicago does not need some high-paid, go-between who re-measures an incident taking his time (a week or two) where a decision in the field had to be made in a split second. What are they paying this guy?
More reasons not to shop or drive through Chicago.
This is another easy one. Don’t ever use a taser again. Problem solved.
P.S. Try your hardest not to put yourselves in situations where you would need to use a taser.
This is why my chalk talks are so valuable with the recruits and will continue until I turn 60 if the next contract raises the cost of health insurance at 55 one fucking cent over 2%.
BTW, Chuck Wexler at PERF has a lot of influence with Emanuel too. He helped McDrinkypoo map out destruction of CPD for Rahm.
Rahm is the Spawn of Satan.
You mean that know it all bald Lt EK from R&D didn’t put this together? Company man through and through
It's no secret that all of this started from the skinny socialist police hating president
OK....Someone corner this guy and ask him....EXZACTLY WHEN, may an Officer deploy his taser....I'll betcha he'd answer, NEVER, on how I wrote the order....
Finally, people are paying attention to this guy. Bad, bad news. I discovered him because someone I follow on Twitter re-tweeted him. That was bad enough. Then I discovered that he actually has something to do with CPD! WTF?
This is murder city, no matter what the happy dance of the day is. 675 murders, better that last year, car jacking out the wazoo, just kids being kids. Tax paying citizens fleeing in record numbers, were becoming more diverse. Just stay fetal.
If you dont stay F E T A L after all of this bullshit has been going down because of that asshole Obama and Emanuel that you DESERVE ALL THAT WILL BE COMING YOUR WAY !
Merry Christmas Everybody , Ho, Ho, Ho and to all a good night !
Stay safe , Fetal and go home to your loved ones and enjoy the HOLIDAYS, God Bless the CPD
And finally, there are the foot soldiers like the ACLU's Gupta and this guy, put in place to wreak havoc for their masters, writing policy that is so convoluted, cops would rather sit back than put themselves in the trick-bag for an administration that will fuck them at the drop of a hat.
Hence the "cop's are fetal" speech by the sawed off runt hiding at city hall...
Anonymous said...
STAY FETAL! STAY FETAL! don't sign out the taser, don't use it or carry it. If you have to, just keep it in your bag. You wanna SPAR me go right ahead. Better then being stripped, sued or fired. A day, ok I'll put 3 more to that with my rdo's if you know what I mean. Unfortunately this job has gone to the dogs. Stay safe, back each other up and just give the good citizen their report.
12/20/2017 02:15:00 AM
Now that's why all the used to be nice areas no longer exist...
They all wanna be the (civilian)Police!. The Civilian Office of Police with no accountability, true meaning of copa
What I did not see in this guys resume is how many times he has been Involved in use of force situations or actually been a police officer?
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Rahm is not from Chicago, and many of those moving into the new construction in the South Loop and North side are also from somewhere else, so they fail to acknowledge or realize that the Chicago Police Department is going through Major "Change", with regard to management, Mission and most of all perception. We are living in an age of soundbites and Perception, rather than substance. Rahm was all about Perception when he worked for both Clinton and "Obongo". And the Department has been since Rahm took over consistently run by attorneys who are not from here. Before Rahm, attorneys in the Police Department were often former cops themselves, or related to cops; not anymore. Even the State's Attorney, goes out of their way to recruit attorneys who are not from Chicago or have family working in City Government, a practice that began some years ago. Attorney Katz dictating Policy, is not much different from McCarthy being told what to say by attorney Jamie Roundtree, the former Police Liaison or conduit from Rahm to the Police Department.Both of these Cop Haters are from somewhere else, and Roundtree returned to somewhere else. Loyalties that once existed to Politicians, Wards or even neighborhoods are a thing of the past. Remember when Southsiders would identify themselves by their parish? "You know Joe, from St. _______" The new Chicago has no loyalty to its police, nor should the police have a loyalty to the City. It would be interesting to see stats on how many cops even stay in Chicago when they retire today, compared to the past. Now add the Racial component. Katz is like Obongo, another Angry Bi-Racial guy, who is here to set ignorant White People or Folks straight. The Taser policy is written as a Blueprint to a pot of gold for attorneys. It is virtually impossible to deploy the weapon on a moving person without violating some aspect of the policy, and you can be sure that Loevy & Loevy and PLO have copies of it ready to be used as a hammer on the heads of coppers. The rock throwers of the 60's and their children have taken over the Democrat Party, and governments in Democrat cities and states. Trump is just a brief reprieve, until they impeach him and eliminate his policies. In the new reality; The Police are the ENEMY, the Criminal is the "Victim". Do Nothing more than answer your calls, and if action is required, call your Merit Supervisor to make the decision. Remember, YOU are the ENEMY, and you are EXPENDABLE. Obongo and Rahm produced a legacy of Racial and Economic Divisiveness and an Unlivable Chicago. Baby"G"
IS he in the same office as GOOG-LIE- emmy
Another ass hat they "aint" never even been in a fight.
this order will cost the City millions!
Cancer in the form of a libtard attorney. The department needs some chemotherapy.
Have a buddy who retired recently from LA County. He said if a Deputy assigned to courtroom security went to a loud, obnoxious person in a courtroom, put a hand on his shoulder and said "Hey pal, can you keep it down?" Policy required that he had to notify a supervisor that he used physical force (touching) and a use of force report had to be submitted.
Imagine a bar fight?
Sure I'm not the first to say you let the Katz outta the bag!
Even with this there will still be stubborn cops who will go out there, chase a guy for dope, and taze him when he undoubtedly resists after cops catch up to him .... all for a case that will most likely get tossed, all for this for bull shit.
There are still idiot cops getting in car chases for traffic or hot cars not taken in robbery. LET THEM GO!
Some people gotta learn for themselves I guess and some choose to learn the hard way.
IF YOU DON'T DO SHIT, YOU CAN NOT GET IN TROUBLE.
as a retired officer, I read and see what is going on with the police department and the city and it is enough to make a person sit down and cry. The progressives are in charge now and they are ruining everything good about this. Yes, ruined for at least a generation.
Just like a ship with no rudder.
In his photo, he has a rotten ass front tooth... dude you make serious cash, use 5 grand an get a tooth installed
It's all about the money. Billable hours, nothing more. The Taft law firm runs the department. FOIA the bills, it's all there, just connect the dots. The whole AG consent decree is all BS put in place to pay the lawyers and allow Rahm to change the contracts under the guise of a "consent decree" that he wrote. FOP and PBPA better get their shit together before it is too late.
Taser now called axon is backing away from liability now by saying to all the master instructors at the recent conference in New York that the officer is to now follow and refer to agency policy and protocol when using a ECW. So the weight in now on the agency and the officer regarding the proper or improper use of a taser. The new order follows taser new updated policies and leaves it up to the agency to say what’s good or bad. A lot of the complaints are from user error such as closing distance and not achieving NMI with the proper spread of probes. So axon leaves it up to the agency to carry the weight now.
I really hope there is a special place in hell for 9.5
I'm not doing shit. Just under 10yrs on and really thinking of getting out. I'm hearing from my wife and relatives to get out of Dodge. Going to make the decision after the holidays. It hurts, because of all my friends on the job and it gets into your blood. Too 9.5, your a jagoff punk, and I hope you burn for what you've done.
Never heard of him
"he directed the independent oversight of police misconduct investigations" - I was not a member of the SJPD but I think this is incorrect. SJPD is responsible for all IA investigations - Criminal Investigations are conducted by the SJPD and the District Attorney's office, which is mostly staffed with retired SJPD detectives and brass.
The oversight office reviews completed cases and makes an annual report to the city council. He didn't write policy for the SJPD, and I doubt the LASO.
The head of the office is a retired black female homosexual Superior Court Judge. Doesn't have much use for the police; her outreach consists of giving classes to high school kids explaining why they don't have to cooperate with the police and ensure they know to lawyer. up when confronted.
San Jose is not Chicago. bh
A veteran P.D. is appointed to oversee police policy. Everything am reversed in Bizarro World!
I'm going to hit some nine-irons at Lawler park,
The Clearing Kid
new IOD policy
managers not leaders
Hopefully he is fully utilizing the city dental plan.
This is from the Press Release on Walter Katz's hiring ....
--- 1) >>> February 27, 2017 “Walter's professional background and perspective will allow him to help us continue to support our police while implementing necessary reforms to our public safety accountability systems,” said Mayor Emanuel. <<<
Okay, what the f--k are 'public safety accountability systems'? Would those be all the assholes like COPA, the ACLU, the storefront Revruns, and every other criminal friendly busy-body looking to fuck you guys over for a ten year old bullshit complaint? Yeah, I think so.
And then there's this gem .....
>>> “His track record of building bridges among >stakeholders< demonstrates his ability to work collaboratively to tackle the complicated issues (blah blah) <<<
There's that nonsensical f--kin word!... 'Stakeholders'. When you see that, run for the hills, someone's gonna f--k you.
I don't need to read the rest about this guy. He's gonna screw you guys & gals over every chance he gets.
Why you bother to be the police in this environment beats me. Nobody has your back.
Read the “ CPD vehicle pursuit policy,” it’s wriiten just like this order. If your actions result in backlash from the community or media you can and will be held accountable up to and including losing your job and/or your freedom.
DO NOTHING.. DO NOTHING..
Politicians and upper brass claim crime is improving. Yeah OK!
ASA's, upper brass, city hall - they all have to make it look good.
This city is so messed up compared to early 1990's.
Our actions are being looked at every time force is used. We are under the spot light - and the offenders actions are secondhand because he/she has been held down in life and they are incapable of knowing better.
Remember u cant get in trouble for doing the minimum and getting there to clean up the scraps after.
Be careful, and make sure u checkoff and go home evrynigght.
God bless all the officers of this doomed city and dept.
"How does educated tax payers leaving Chicago let alone Illinois benefit Illinois politicians?"
Simple Really Educated tax payers don't vote for Democrats
The mayor has put the police Officers at the mercy of Police hating Social Justice Warriors
we are downed flyers behind enemy lines. We cannot protect ourselves now how can we protect the civilians Thanks Rahm
LMFAO! His pinned Tweet is a reference to Rahm. Priceless.
Just a heads up that you might not want to creep on his linkedin account. Depending on the level of subscription that he has, he will be able to see who views his page assuming you have a linkedin account and signed in.
P.S. Try your hardest not to put yourselves in situations where you would need to use a taser.
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In the recent past I’ve seen three separate neerdowells on the street with guns in their hands and drove past every one of them. I don’t trust our Dept, COPA, Foxx, or the Mayor not to throw me under the bus to further their political agenda. This is just further proof.
People who tweet like he does, are egotistical loosers. And yes, we have a dental plan. Not a great one, but damn dude, fix your grill!!
Oh baby why don't you wanna go
Back to that same old place
Shit Home Chicago
“Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with.”
― Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
What a tool.
12/20/2017 02:31:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Oh FOP, where art thou? If it means not getting my handbook on time - then please take on this monster immediately.
12/20/2017 03:30:00 AM
Speaking of which...... where the Hell are our FOP books???
Looking at his profiles, he was born and raised in Chicago. Now he is back to put the appease the citizens (not tax payers), and give payback for his early life, all while lining his pockets. Others ask WHY are the politicians doing this when tax payers are leaving. Pretty simple, they don't care. They will keep doing this until they get the last penny out of whoever they can. Then and only then will they turn out the lights and leave themselves.
Look at his background.....17 years as a public defender.....he's going to partner with police? Yea right! Just another nail in the coffin in proactive police work. Have him do a ride along in August in 11/15 or 7 on afternoons on a 90 degree Saturday night....
reading this order, one thing is clear. only use a taser if the offender is in a pillow or mattress store. where do they find these scum suckers?
Isn't their anyone in city with a brain, why all the outsiders setting policy. Guess not kind of a rhetorical question. City has to depend on outsiders because born and raised Chicagoans have no common sense since they keep voting in the same crooked cast of characters to run things. Stupid is as stupid does, and you can't fix stupid.
12/20/2017 03:36:00 AM
You have, impressively, missed most all of the actual intention here.
1. There are plenty of citizens with a brain here; they avoid contact with the brainless, and the politicians, who are not brainless but bent beyond recovery, and go about the business of living in spite of the policies of said politicians.
2. The truly brainless, those embracing being relegated to effective plantation servitude, with the benefits, to them, of being free enough to rape, rob, pillage and murder, mostly their own, are not fit to be trusted to conduct the politician's orchestrations of their favorite variations on the theme of The Great Grift. So, those brainless you refer to are, indeed, present here, just not qualified to do anything other than what they are used as pawns to do.
3. Thus, the importation of not from around here but still useful kindred spirits, useful, by being clueless, pity party promoters, and the like, for the purpose of managing the strategies of the grifter masters.
Discard the natural presuming that brains equals common sense thinking.
The bent brain/mind finds common sense to be.......disadvantageous......
Anonymous Anonymous said...
This is another easy one. Don’t ever use a taser again. Problem solved.
P.S. Try your hardest not to put yourselves in situations where you would need to use a taser
Easier said than done. Sometimes you don’t put yourself in those positions, part put in them. If you don’t try and use your taser and shoot the guy, you may put yourself in a worse position
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Why anyone on this job, would do anything other than answer calls for service, just baffles the mind.
12/20/2017 12:35:00 AM
A lot of these situations start when you answer a call. Not all are on view, in fact most aren’t. Most ocucur after you are sent to the situation and answer the call
(OT) sitting at the library looking for free at the scum times when I see on page 12 this headline: Lawyer big payout justify for families of 2 killed by drunken cop!
Ok hmm then the lawyer says these 2 had a flat tire on the Dan Ryan expressway that shorted out cars electricity. Being a mechanical person this is obviously another lie, why were those. 2 there? Maybe doing some graffiti? Tell the truth why is the city responsible for Frugoli? Not saying he is not wrong, does this set a precedent to mean the company no matter where you work is responsible when your not working?
The lawyer is winning the ghetto lottery again, then he talks about a code of silence how about the elected and the lawyers! This shit is getting old the taxpayers are getting soaked are the elected getting a back door payoff? Then you have rahm taking millions away from police retirees and giving millions to fund the criminal illegal aliens here! Praying for 2018 to be the year of justice the department of justice to come here and sweep out city hall crook county and the state house we need a great enema here soon!
That order mirrors the 7 page warning label. It's right on Taser International website
Typical clueless asshole.....but fits perfectly with the mayor.
Voters will never learn, just get burnt, over and over.
Take you time going to a call. Remember, they don't want you going threw stop lights or stop signs, great, take you time. Try to never use you taser, but don't forget self defense triumphs any of their bullshit. I know, we are not suppose to say of thing, shoot to kill. Fuck it, I'm shooting to kill if my life is in danger, but if some nut is screening and jumping around, he not going to be tasered by me.
I stopped being the real police the day they hired Jody Weis. Now a glorified meter maid thank you very much.
The devil and his disciples of the sanctuary cities are all in to make evil good and good evil. The hardest pill to swallow is that the devil implements his evil policies with impunity and with little opposition behind closed doors. The tragedy is that good people are being assaulted and murdered by the Prickwinkle, Dart, Fox, Evans, Emmanuel and the 40 or so alderman protected criminal class. If a revolution is not on the horizon, this city will plunge further into a third world socialist hell like we see in Venezuela.
(OT) Herbert is 110% cor exit on this:
Cop's lawyer slams Alvarez, alleges prosecution motivated by media, political pressure
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-laquan-mcdonald-jason-van-dyke-court-20171219-story.html
Hope he compels Gary to say when rahm seen the video,and pulls all the messages and emails from Anita,kimmy,rahm,Gary and all the rest!
Also please bring all the fat cat exempts that quickly retired after telling Jason "good shooting" and signed off on it knowing the offender could of easily killed Jason or another copper,or if the offender high on drugs escaped he would of killed an innocent person! God bless Cpd and JVD in these trying times, surrounded by lying democratic elected and dishonest fake Chicago media! Hope the swamp gets drained here soon by the doc and the Trump team, they do so much destruction and cause so much agony and bloodshed with pandering policy!
Good thing they make the rules known to all the criminals! Acting like an assholes? Dump a bottle of water on yourself. Stand up on a chair. Lean out a window. Grab a knife (Just don't wag it any anyone.) Tah-dah! Can't tasers, me bro!
This could be a "stand alone post" so here you go, just a snippet from a Q/A with this guy. Read very carefully...with a focus on the last paragraph
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THE QUESTION
Q. One of the big issues you’ve addressed is the use of deadly force, the latitude given cops to kill by Graham v. Connor. Can that be fixed internally, by policies limiting the use of force, the rules of engagement? Can anything overcome the First Rule of Policing, to make it home for dinner? Has your exposure to the police perspective made the problem of crafting policies to preserve everyone’s life harder? Are cop too quick to scare, too quick to kill preemptively? Does the law need to change to end cops’ killing in anticipation of a potential threat?
HIS RESPONSE
A. This question could fill a whole volume. I have written about independent investigations of officer-related deaths elsewhere and I am a big believer that such investigations need to be more transparent. Over the years I have been to dozens of scenes where an officer or deputy used deadly force. Some of those incidents were obviously well-justified and, conversely, a few were real head-scratchers – I am being as circumspect as I can be here – for why deadly force was found to be reasonable.
Three situations are the most troubling to me: (1) where the individual is not armed with a firearm and in an acute state of mental illness; (2) where an officer shoots at a vehicle because he thinks it is being used as a weapon; and (3) the largely unexplored phenomenon where a foot pursuit ends with a deadly use of force where the individual is right at what I call “the point of escape,” and for an unfathomable reason allegedly slows or turns and reaches for his waistband — even when unarmed!
All police-related deaths demand the closest scrutiny, but those are three areas where deaths are too frequent and the justification cannot simply be chalked up to, “well the officer feared for his life, so let’s move on.” It is absolutely necessary to ask the next natural question, “was it reasonable that he feared for his life.” Until recently, I did not see prosecutors or law enforcement executives really diving into that second question too deeply because, I believe, it could frequently lead to uncomfortable answers. This is why video is so critical.
In 2015, I believe that six officers across the nation were criminally charged for their conduct during an officer-involved shooting. All six of those incidents were captured, at least in part, on video. That is why we need both body camera video and in-car video made as available as possible to all police departments. The challenge is dealing with the massive recurring costs involved in licensing and data storage that the body camera companies are charging.
As for the Graham standard… I am torn. The necessity requirement for deadly force in Article 2 of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) is very attractive, but in the United States, we have the reality of 300 million firearms in circulation. Policing is dangerous work and I don’t have a lot of patience for those who trot out statistics that policing is safer than it has ever been. There are too many variables such as improved body armor, trauma care, communications, and tactics to make a simple comparison. I urge those who are critical of police conduct (and I am a critic) to do plenty of ride-alongs to get a feel for what a traffic stop really feels like when you have no idea who may be inside that car, or to respond to a volatile domestic violence incident in a confined space.
Having said that, I am very uncomfortable with pre-emptive deadly force. There are certain trainers out there who preach the warrior cop, “going home tonight is the only thing that matters” mentality. Officer safety is critical, but calibrating force standards to respect human life and safety is a real challenge because we are in a country that has such a propensity for violence.
Anonymous said...
Give them what they want ... go to work , answer your calls making sure you arrive in a safe manner, hand out useless pieces of paper to make them feel good, rinse lather repeat , all you hard chargers need to STOP and think about your family, your livelihood and your freedom. The Chicago Police Department will never be what is once was ...adapt , overcome and get out ASAP. Until the FEDS come in and drain the swamp from he top down , your a disposable cog in an inefficient machine period.
Amen brother, well said. Remember the Fed's don't investigate ZEROS.
The Chicago Police Sergeants Association will have to do more digging to recover hundreds of thousands of dollars stolen from the union by its convicted former president to support a lavish lifestyle filled with gambling sprees and steak dinners.
In a decision finalized this week, the Illinois Appellate Court ruled that the $1,829-a-month “widow’s pension” that John Pallohusky has received since the 2010 death of his wife, former Chicago Police Officer Mary O’Toole, is exempt from the association’s $690,215 judgment against Pallohusky and cannot be garnished or collected.
this jerk was hooked up with the 11th ward
https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2017/12/20/msp-trooper-charged-murder-death-detroit-boy-being-chased-atv/968865001/
Detroits answer to Kimmy Fox
There Goes Our Pensions , They will use this as a Excuse
https://www.illinoispolicy.org/census-illinois-loses-title-of-5th-largest-state-to-pennsylvania/
seems like they should name Katz as the Superintendent of the Chicago De-Police Department....
Hmm. twitter account locked down. I'm sure in no small part to you SCC. Congrats!
Can't let the word get out to those we are writing orders for how we really feel.
He clearly states he is a police "adversary" and his policies can get people hurt. But check out his last line in the linked interview.
"Once I see departments treat the violation of constitutional rights and lying as seriously as they treat stealing and cheating on promotion exams, I will know we have turned the corner."
Chicago ain't ready for reform apparently
At least your neighbors can take solace in not being born a schmuck.
12/20/2017 02:31:00 AM
SCC , you really should think about hiring this guy .
So why do we need a deputy chief of staff for public safety much less a chief of public safety. Remember when there was just a police superintendant and a fire commissioner. Maybe we could add even more political flunkie jobs, president of public safety, CEO of public safety, COO of public safety! So he spent 17 years as a public defender ( and we know how they just adore the police ) but never as a police officer but is going to implement and review policy for a job he never had. Is he going to advise the firefighters on their job. I spent a lifetime in the CPD but don't you think I could determine policy and procedures for commerical airline pilots or even neurosurgeons!!!! Rahm certainly is proving how evil he is in destroying the city with his left wing political extremism. What a rotten elitist weasel.
Many are asking how this can be? we are descending into a totalitarian state and accepting the ideology. it is explained here: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DzAzK7J2A7I
Pay attention to what is said about Russia,, Germany and China and overlay the templates here.
I'm not doing shit. Just under 10yrs on and really thinking of getting out. I'm hearing from my wife and relatives to get out of Dodge. Going to make the decision after the holidays. It hurts, because of all my friends on the job and it gets into your blood. Too 9.5, your a jagoff punk, and I hope you burn for what you've done.
12/20/2017 08:21:00
just one person's opinion....if you are short of 10 years, get out now....find something else, somewhere else, otherwise you will be stuck doing at least twenty or more.....look out for yourself, and your family
SCC, I tried posting about a certain disreputable individual. It didn't make the cut. Too long? Not funny enough? Wrong thread for something so irrelevant? Or are you just not taking posts about that character for the time being? Big fan so I'll change what I need to and try again. If other things are afoot and it is better not to blast this scumbag, then 10-4. Just let me know so I don't waste either of our time. Thank you.
SCC , you really should think about hiring this guy .
12/20/2017 04:41:00 PM
A gift, to be a gift, must be given; offered and, if accepted, graciously received. (And, in this case, posted and, thus, shared.)
Life, as it has been designed, created, implemented and intended, is business, strictly business.
I intend to offer as often and as sincerely as I can, until the day when I cannot. On that day, I expect to be granted an opportunity to ask a certain someone a simple question. I do not expect an answer, but, I strive to maintain the hope of receiving one, regardless of how pleasing or displeasing it may be.
On a more practical note, why would, or should, SSC pay for what is freely offered?
Merry Christmas to "Fito" de la Parra,
and Happy Birthday too, 8 Feb. 1946
Drum on brother; gonna need some Canned
Heat this winter
Anonymous said...
Oh FOP, where art thou? If it means not getting my handbook on time - then please take on this monster immediately.
12/20/2017 03:30:00 AM
Speaking of which...... where the Hell are our FOP books???
12/20/2017 11:03:00 AM
From the FOP website (if you'd only bother to go there and read it)
"2018 FOP Books will be mailed out on Friday December 22, just as they are every year, keep an eye on your mail. However, the extra FOP books will not be delivered to our office until January 15, 2018. If you do not receive your book contact us after that date as there is nothing we can do to help you before then."
When answering a call, stop and pickup and COPA comrade, then drive by the complaint area and throw him/her out!
Take comrade policy writer too, he needs a taste of reality.
J.J.
WHATS NEXT , If You Cant Shot Them , You cant use your Taser , You Cant use your Baton , WHATS NEXT you cant throw your Tie Clip at these Assholes , Its time to go and watch the City Fall to theses Criminal Politicians
Anonymous said...
STAY FETAL! STAY FETAL! don't sign out the taser, don't use it or carry it. If you have to, just keep it in your bag. You wanna SPAR me go right ahead. Better then being stripped, sued or fired. A day, ok I'll put 3 more to that with my rdo's if you know what I mean. Unfortunately this job has gone to the dogs. Stay safe, back each other up and just give the good citizen their report.
12/20/2017 02:15:00 AM
Now that's why all the used to be nice areas no longer exist...
No dummy it's not the police is fault blame is on the liberal indealology that has been going on for years in Chicago that why crime is sky rocket it !!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
At least your neighbors can take solace in not being born a schmuck.
12/20/2017 02:31:00 AM
Ronnie says "Hey, wait just a minute!"
O.T. To the Hammond Copper who paid the tab at our favorite rib joint, Thank You!
Stay Safe and Merry Christmas!
That order mirrors the 7 page warning label. It's right on Taser International website
12/20/2017 11:54:00 AM
Precisely,
Cut and Paste..
or
CTRL C and CTRL V if you are in a hurry...
He’s exactly the type of asshole Rahm surrounds himself with.
OT
Yikes!
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/12/20/u-s-census-bureau-states-population-growth-2017/970782001/
Bottom line is you don’t tase an offender with a knife. You shoot to stop the threat.......🤔wait....
DO NOT vote for the INCOMPETENT Emmanuel.
Anybody BUT Emmanuel
In that press release announcing this ass hats hiring you can simply insert “community member” for “stakeholder” and you’ll know all you need to know.
And we have a WINNER: Mr. SCC!
21 hours have passed and nobody noticed
the PUN: "Katz was hand picked by 9.5"
http://rightwingnews.com/barack-obama/chicago-residents-turn-obama-never-saw-coming/
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-20/illinois-lost-1-resident-every-43-minutes-2017-dropped-6th-most-populous-state
Via Drudge......
It's a no brainer... let em kill each other all they want.
DO NOT vote for the INCOMPETENT Emmanuel.
Anybody BUT Emmanuel
12/20/2017 08:37:00 PM
Is it OK to vote for Emanuel?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
It's a no brainer... let em kill each other all they want.
12/21/2017 03:00:00 AM
Agreed so much easier to just say "heres your report number" "Merry Christmas!" The other way lets the predators thugs prey on more innocents and the costs to the taxpayers to hospitalize these animals is insane! Dirt naps for all of the felons!
Bottom line is you don’t tase an offender with a knife. You shoot to stop the threat.......🤔wait....
12/20/2017 08:29:00 PM
You are EXACTLY right, unfortunately, that is the split second that will get one of us killed.
Too many Chiefs and not enough Indians if you catch my drift.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I'm not doing shit. Just under 10yrs on and really thinking of getting out. I'm hearing from my wife and relatives to get out of Dodge. Going to make the decision after the holidays. It hurts, because of all my friends on the job and it gets into your blood. Too 9.5, your a jagoff punk, and I hope you burn for what you've done.
12/20/2017 08:21:00
just one person's opinion....if you are short of 10 years, get out now....find something else, somewhere else, otherwise you will be stuck doing at least twenty or more.....look out for yourself, and your family
12/20/2017 05:09:00 PM
I have 19 years on and I'm leaving after 20. I'll be 44. Until then I'll be as invisible as I possibly can be. The only reason why I'm staying is because if the idiots we have on this dept. are getting a pension I'm getting one too. If I were you I would leave now before they get anything more out of you.
Million dollar bond?
https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2017/12/21/trooper-detroit-atv-bessner/972427001/
un real
Oh?
So he has enough shame to lock down
his Facebook page after being caught
having put up some very nasty and hateful
anti-Police posts?
Is he fair game for liability in contributing
to a toxic work environment and exposing
Policemen to increased risk/peril?
>See the progressive hater run and seek
shelter under Rahm al-Ghoul's narrow ass<
Anonymous said...
DO NOT vote for the INCOMPETENT Emmanuel.
Anybody BUT Emmanuel
12/20/2017 08:37:00 PM
Is it OK to vote for Emanuel?
12/21/2017 08:31:00 AM
Nope.
Neither one of 'em.
"Wimpy" Emanuel Says:
"I weel gladly pay you Toosday, for a Homburggerr to -day !"
Imagine a bar fight?
12/20/2017 07:34:00 AM\\I spoke to LA cops and they told me they were called into the WC office about a citizen who complained they were speeding through an alley. The officers told me that they were speeding for no particular reason and confessed that to the WC who promptly wrote them up. Their response was they could not lie about this. Needless to say, I was shocked. No one hurt, no damage, just going through an alley a little fast which really is a subjective opinion. But they caught hell for this and they did admit it. This is where the CPD is going. If they said not where they lying or where they just not convinced they were going too fast at the time?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I'm not doing shit. Just under 10yrs on and really thinking of getting out. I'm hearing from my wife and relatives to get out of Dodge. Going to make the decision after the holidays. It hurts, because of all my friends on the job and it gets into your blood. Too 9.5, your a jagoff punk, and I hope you burn for what you've done.
12/20/2017 08:21:00
just one person's opinion....if you are short of 10 years, get out now....find something else, somewhere else, otherwise you will be stuck doing at least twenty or more.....look out for yourself, and your family
12/20/2017 05:09:00 PM
I have 19 years on and I'm leaving after 20. I'll be 44. Until then I'll be as invisible as I possibly can be. The only reason why I'm staying is because if the idiots we have on this dept. are getting a pension I'm getting one too. If I were you I would leave now before they get anything more out of you.
****
See ya later quitters. I’m staying until I’m forced to retire. I’m going to get “CPD” and my star tatood as a present to myself.
See ya later quitters. I’m staying until I’m forced to retire. I’m going to get “CPD” and my star tatood as a present to myself.
12/22/2017 10:02:00 PM
I'll see your tattoo and raise you: my ashes poured down each and every alderman's pie hole.....equally distributed......for the sake of social justice......
Rahms out the next election and so will this guy be gone
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