You're ALL Qualified
Who is steering this disaster into the iceberg?
- How about the latest FTO volunteer update first us regular patrolman are too stupid to be FTO's because we aren't on the Sgt list. A week later nobody volunteers and now we are magically qualified to be volunteer FTOs. Wtf is headquarters smoking write this down "nobody gives a fuck about the FTO program". Stop with the job announcements nobody cares. Either make it detectives pay or face the facts that nobody will apply.
Nothing like setting a bar, then removing the bar completely when no one wants the job.
Labels: department issues, from the comments
posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
53 Comments:
FTO??? SOCIAL MEDIA OFFICER is where its at! No uniform, browse social media all day, Ac in the summer ... now thats a gig!
Next stop--- bar that no one wants the job. Let's face it, the costs going into become into becoming a recruit... moving to a Shithole to a ton of money to get a place that is decent, rent-- $2000 to $2400, city sticker, becoming the most hated guy on the block, having to stand at attention for Rham-ulus and Kidney Beans, gee, no thanks
It needs to pay the same as Sgt.
The entire department has changed and the accountability requires payment of $130,000.00 plus.
America
rahm, eddie, pound sand! Nobody wants to be an FTO. Maybe D3 and people will consider it. Maybe bring in some Boston PD coppers to train the FNGs, that department seems to know all.
Well SCC...
They ain't nothin' if'n they ain't entertainin' at least...
Fuck these fools and their nonsense.
They're turning in circles and shitting
themselves trying to figure out how to compel
Policemen under pain and duress to buy-in/co-sign
the bullshit they're desperately trying to peddle
so that Rahm can claim to have achieved some element
of "Police Reform" in the upcoming election.
"It's an ongoing process..."
-Rahm Emanuel-
>John Kass' hyperbolic donkeys breaking wind
whenever a Chicago pol aimlessly flaps their
dick beaters about something<
Look.
Laugh.
Leave.
The Department is ran by the DemocRATS that why it's all messed up!
It has been about a year since the liars in the fto section brought every fto to headquarters for b.s. training and to promise ftos a whole list of crap. Where are the incentives? Where is the follow up on promises? It is all crap and lies. The fto sgt. Hasnt kept a single promise and the districts laugh when you ask for a incentive that is in a b.o.p put out by the dept. Only a fool would be a full or part time fto. Its as bad as it was 10 or 15 yrs ago.only clouted ftos get merit so even thats garbage promise.
I hate this fucking city
I hate this fucking job
Welcome to Wonderland, where ya wonder every day what the fuck will the nitwits come up with next.........
Did they really expect anything else?
Just like all those Lieutenants who accurately filled out an application for merit Capt. They were all qualified. Except thos that made mistakes in the process, and there were a good amount of those. Late filings and inaccurate or improperly filled out forms. Otherwise, all are on thr list.
Allows for the easy transition from merit promotion to merit promotion in preperation for yes, another merit promotion.
Last nights chalk talk with the recruits was about leveraging tax law in your favor and staying away from COPA.
The game is over no ones wants to be the Poleece they need another test in a few months to start is $47,000 isn't good money to put up the way they change the game everday most smart police officers leave with 20 year
If you are an FTO you have more merit than a desk dolly or the Sup's driver to become a sergeant. Make the job worth something and give them dick's pay.
Signed,
A Sergeant who appreciates his FTOs
CPD is a joke
I’m going to step up. This is an opportunity for workers to team up with PPO’s and be a good influence. Too many guys are dogs. The activity they come up with is abysmal. This an opportunity to contribute to our communities. 95% of who are on the job couldn’t wait to get our call and when I got my star and ID I was breathless! In the academy our homeroom’s undeclared motto was “We are One with our City, Our Leaders, and the citizens we serve” . Even after the years have passed we still have yearly get togethers with our HR instructor! Five of our classmates are lieutenants, 3 are sergeants and 4 are detectives. As for me I enjoy being a beat copper in this wonderful city.
Remember we weren’t promised anything except the chance to serve. So instead of asking where is mine - let’s ask what can we do for our city in a garden.
I know it's been an issue for years before, but with civilians coming into the department and running these , yes RUNNING, these different units( Sgt.'s and Lt's. have to report to and are not in charge unless these Directors or Asst. Directors approve anything) , this Department is ultimately going to be run as it is now in many units ,by civilians. ****And civilians don't see things let alone know how things are done when it comes to Police work. They're not Law Enforcement, Yet they "know it all".... W're fucked beyond repair in this corrupt ass shithole of a city.... can't wait to retire in a few years...
It's nice to see that coppers are finally waking up and seeing just how full of shit this department is.
Remember: you're a fool to volunteer for anything on this job.
Why do you think the majority of FTOs are no-time-on-the-job, never-been-the-police knuckleheads? Because anyone with time on knows better. They know, pensionable or not, it's not worth the aggravation and liability.
The old timers knew best when they said "pimp the job, kid, don't let it pimp you".
This is an important function of CPD and another example of the city trying to get by on the cheap. If you believe any of the DOJ report it says proper training is imperative and more training for veteran officers is needed. It also says more supervision is needed. Yet no training for vetran officers and a crap FTO program. The city simply doesn’t want to spend money where needed.
DEAR MERITS at HQ
IN the real world when NOBODY applies for a shitty JOB a person in the HALF witted personal DEPT would request that the pay scale for such position be evaluated.
The pay AINT correct for the head ache!
Special ED I please ask I know you are over your HEAD.
LOVE a GUY Who was an FTO
They'll never get it right. Continue to insult the men and women of the department. They identify the extreme importance of the position in developing great officers, yet we don't invest in the same. We offer them the best cars. What a joke. I'm all for making it Detective pay year round whether or not they have recruits. Glad to be leaving soon.
FTO's? We didn't have FTO's years ago. They just put you in a car with an old guy and your drove while he slept on midnights.
Pretty soon they will give recruits a police training book written by Tom Dart. That will be enough field training.
FTO?! With 14 years on this job I’m seriously considering throwing in the towel, selling everything off, moving, and finding something else to do with the rest of my life. Would be a rough transition, but I don’t think I wanna see what the remaining 6 - 15 years would bring me here. All for a pension that’s hanging by a thread anyway. FTO.... I can’t imagine coming on to this job current day. All right kid, we’re gonna fill out your first TRR.... good luck!
No one wants to do anything in any Police Department that becomes infected with politics.
The citizens and Police Officers will suffer.
J.J.
It's a job.
Pay us..... like you pay the firemen.
Train and qualify to: speak a foreign language, carry a rifle, basic first aid,field training officer, or crisis intervention training, etc... % of pay/pensionable.
Or
Expect the same result.
I just don't understand how an officer with 3 or 4 years on the job with an 18 month probation period is going to be an FTO to any recruit. They simply do not have the EXPERIENCE? This is one of the numerous reasons why this department is so F___ed up!!!
0953
if they can't get enough people to fill the slots then they need to up the ante.
2000 grand to 2400 in RENT?
bwaaaahahahahahahahahahahha.
Only idiots pay that much to NOT OWN a place.
The only people who can even afford that?
Government workers.
Out of touch government workers who don't even realize THEY are the problem.
Pssst- people in the private sector who have that kind of money have enough sense to OWN the place, then to rent it to only government workers so the government workers can pay the PROPERTY TAX on the place.
Out here in the private sector, we call that fighting back.
Anyone who wants to be an FTO, should be examined by a real psychiatrist. rahm, eddie and maurice you fuckers suck big time.
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Anonymous Anonymous said...
FTO??? SOCIAL MEDIA OFFICER is where its at! No uniform, browse social media all day, Ac in the summer ... now thats a gig!
1/29/2018 12:06:00 AM
Did you say browse? I think the proper words would be Shop on the media
1/29/2018 12:18:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
It needs to pay the same as Sgt.
The entire department has changed and the accountability requires payment of $130,000.00 plus.
America
You can get in trouble for smoking that stuff
Hire the kid who dress up as a police officer for 8 hours issued parking tickets and drove a police car you came pay him $10.00 but he would refuse and do it for nothing CPD is a joke hell he did better then a lot of FTO I know
If the pay does not greatly increase I’m done u can have that silly patch
The FTO program is a joke. There is no system at how they want the new guys to be trained. there is no incentives, although promised the world. There was talk that it would be made a different name. The juiced become fto's inorder to be promoted to sgt. It's amazing, but you see the new fto's who have no idea what to do on the street, because they have been inside, but those are the ones are connected and will make sgt first.
Considering that the Dept. set a bar for new recruits, then continually lowered it so "crazy jimmy on the corner" could be a cop despite the twitchin', I'm not surprised by this in the least.
this sorta seems like a job slowdown or union action or blue flu type of thing....
In the past there were some REALLY GREAT FTOs. Both Men and Women. They knew how to be the REAL POLICE and were street smart. Taught the new officers well. Past 5 yrs or so-shit.
Why detectives pay? The FTO work does not equate to detective work. You are still doing normal patrol duties as an FTO. I understand you have to judge and grade rookies, but that is why you are paid the D2 grade; and don't forget the shiny new tablet you get (that doesn't work for shit). Bottom line, I don't think anyone should accept an FTO position (no matter what scale they pay you at) until the department stops the witch hunt, and starts backing the officers. Now, let the name calling begin: Wahhh he said I don't deserve D2A pay..Whaaaa
Leave it all up to the reverse seniority 3 years wonders.
Again Merit Hacks changing their minds after the fact, shows the ineptitude and out-of-touch these maroons are.
Team Jugghead and his Posse another failed attempt to lead this Department.
Will The Claussen Pickle offer anything better?
This is like the City COPA hiring so-called expert out of town consultants to add spice their biased decisions.
Nobody in charge knows what the frig they’re doing aside sitting around writing orders and sponging up a huge salary.
In 014 per commander anyone with a management position that it's in their best interest to sign up.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I’m going to step up. This is an opportunity for workers to team up with PPO’s and be a good influence. Too many guys are dogs. The activity they come up with is abysmal. This an opportunity to contribute to our communities. 95% of who are on the job couldn’t wait to get our call and when I got my star and ID I was breathless! In the academy our homeroom’s undeclared motto was “We are One with our City, Our Leaders, and the citizens we serve” . Even after the years have passed we still have yearly get togethers with our HR instructor! Five of our classmates are lieutenants, 3 are sergeants and 4 are detectives. As for me I enjoy being a beat copper in this wonderful city.
Remember we weren’t promised anything except the chance to serve. So instead of asking where is mine - let’s ask what can we do for our city in a garden.
1/29/2018 06:31:00 AM
There’s 10 seconds I’ll never get back !!!!
1/29/2018. 6:31 a.m. You my friend are a true Snowflake. There must have been a lot of clouted cupcakes in your class.
First off i just made dick and i feel sorry for fto's I really do they get treated like crap, but they don't deserve dick's pay especially in the summer. The detective job is so overwhelming and involved its not funny. It's a lifestyle that I'm just starting to get used to. Being an fto you just work 8 hours with a newbie which is dangerous because you don't know how how they will act in adverse situations but that's why you get D2 pay. it sucks people want to work in units and with there partner thats why people don't want to do it. But this is my suggestion give fto's first dibs on furloughs, time off etc. I remember when i was in a district I never could get a day off. let's start with that.
but they don't deserve dick's pay especially in the summer. The detective job is so overwhelming and involved its not funny.
Hey dick, if u can t handle the job then go back to patrol. Dicks do half of what they use to. p.o.s do the canvassing, the shoplifting up grades. Not to say that are not busy, but who r u to say fto dont deserve d2.That has got to be the crappiest job on the dept.
A couple of comments state an fto's job isn't comparable to the work the assignment of detective entails, and the assignment of FTO doesn't merit the same pay grade. Both positions are very different from each other and both hold an equally integral value to a police department. However, I pose the argument that several thousand officers take the detective test. The responsibility and overall function of the assignment of FTO clearly isn't a position many are willing to take on. This is evident by the department offering 4-6 tests in the last 2-2.5 years with minimal turnouts. This has essentially turned FTO into a volunteer position. You can offer all the incentives you want but the only way you can garner appropriate interest (at least 1,000-2,000 officers taking a FAIR exam to have a quality canditate pool), is to increase the pay grade. Yes the position of FTO does deserve a higher lay grade. A few really do want to help and do their best to guide and mentor new officers and do a nice job of it (those individuals would probably be more appropriate choices for your merit promotion rather then your typical who you know who you blow affairs). But hardlly anyone is willing and capable of taking the assignment, and that in my humble opinion is why there should probably be consideration to increasing the position of FTO to D2a grade pay.
Pssst- people in the private sector who have that kind of money have enough sense to OWN the place, then to rent it to only government workers so the government workers can pay the PROPERTY TAX on the place.
Out here in the private sector, we call that fighting back.
1/29/2018 11:04:00 AM
You know most people aren't working for minimum wage like you. Now put on your big boy pants, stop flipping hamburgers and get a real job.
Anonymous said...
First off i just made dick and i feel sorry for fto's I really do they get treated like crap, but they don't deserve dick's pay especially in the summer. The detective job is so overwhelming and involved its not funny. It's a lifestyle that I'm just starting to get used to. Being an fto you just work 8 hours with a newbie which is dangerous because you don't know how how they will act in adverse situations but that's why you get D2 pay. it sucks people want to work in units and with there partner thats why people don't want to do it. But this is my suggestion give fto's first dibs on furloughs, time off etc. I remember when i was in a district I never could get a day off. let's start with that.
1/29/2018 08:20:00 PM
Relax Colombo dont get that cheap Jcpenny sport coat in a bunch.The original poster meant that if they dont up the pay they wont get volunteers all you gumshoes stop being jealous its the truth more money and pensionable is the solution.They still wont get unlimited overtime like you guys or be able to take 3 hour lunches so relax.It doesn't degrade your shiny star any less than the closure rate you guys currently hold.They have promised the world and never put it in writing so now they are seeing the result of the failed promises.
I’m going to step up. This is an opportunity for workers to team up with PPO’s and be a good influence. Too many guys are dogs. The activity they come up with is abysmal. This an opportunity to contribute to our communities. 95% of who are on the job couldn’t wait to get our call and when I got my star and ID I was breathless! In the academy our homeroom’s undeclared motto was “We are One with our City, Our Leaders, and the citizens we serve” . Even after the years have passed we still have yearly get togethers with our HR instructor! Five of our classmates are lieutenants, 3 are sergeants and 4 are detectives. As for me I enjoy being a beat copper in this wonderful city.
Go get your head checked. Your an idiot. This job is a joke.
This is what is wrong with us.
Jealousies and back stabbing.
Detective, why do you care what an FTO makes?
If they gave FTOs commander's pay, we should
unite and say "good for them."
If you want FTO with commander's pay, then apply.
If you don't want FTO at any price, quit bitching.
Nobody wants to be a FTO. So, the city will have to
offer some sort of bonus. That bonus does not take
any thing away from anyone else. In fact a FTO bonus
is a foundation the rest of us non FTOs can build on.
Unite! It's the city against us, not us against us.
This is what is wrong with us.
Jealousies and back stabbing.
Detective, why do you care what an FTO makes?
If they gave FTOs commander's pay, we should
unite and say "good for them."
If you want FTO with commander's pay, then apply.
If you don't want FTO at any price, quit bitching.
Nobody wants to be a FTO. So, the city will have to
offer some sort of bonus. That bonus does not take
any thing away from anyone else. In fact a FTO bonus
is a foundation the rest of us non FTOs can build on.
Unite! It's the city against us, not us against us.
Problem is if CPD gives a big pay raise to FTO or some great perks, it will not affect you or the average officer. The clouted and chosen will then get the spots. You will be on the outside looking in as they get this first step of promotions
JC Penny sportcoats kick ASS!
When I first came on the job, FTO's (Patrol Specialists) had pay parity with Detectives. Make it a permanent D2A position regardless of whether they are currently training recruits, and qualified, motivated patrolmen will happily apply for and take the job. As long as field training is an "afterthought" on this department, we'll continue to have young inexperienced patrolmen doing stupid, dangerous things, getting sued, getting fired, and in some instances facing jail time. Eventually, somebody will figure it our, but I'll be LONG gone from this department and city by then.
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