Interesting Concept
Seeing as how social media is collecting every bit of information they can on people to sell to various companies and political operations, it's not surprising to see this effort being tested:
- Police in Raleigh, North Carolina, have presented Google with warrants to obtain data from mobile phones from not just specific suspects who were in a crime scene area, but from the mobile phones of all people in the area, reports Raleigh television affiliate WRAL. The request will trouble Fourth Amendment advocates as it could be seen that police are carrying out unreasonable searches on people who just happened to be in the area at the time the crimes were committed. And the area sizes the police requesting the data on are not small. In one instance, police requested user data from Google for anyone within a 17-acre area. For its part, Google has not revealed whether it has complied with the police request.
Cameras are already everywhere. Can blanket data requests like this be far behind?
Labels: info for the police
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
41 Comments:
A lot of bad guys don't have a phone.
Welcome to China. Not only are cameras
everywhere, they use facial recognition
technology. But Chinese are Communists.
That would never happen here, not because
of morals, but rather incompetency.
Your smartphone is a surveillance tool/ data collection device.
It was never your friend.
Wake up before it's too late.
They will comply-- all the police have to do is ask for information- federal regulations say they must comply
Sounds reasonable to me, civil attorneys want every officer’s phone for every incident that occurs.
This will be an interesting test case. The heart of it will be the court's definition of "reasonable". First, some annoying math to be dispensed with . . .
A square mile is 5,280 feet by 5,280 feet. That's 27,878,400 square feet.
1 acre is 43,560 square feet.
27,878,400/43,560 = 640 acres in a square mile. 17 acres × 43,560 square feet= 740,520 sq.ft.
So . . .
640÷17 = 37.64. Divide by 100 to translate this into a percentage and you have an area equal to just over 3/8 of a square mile. Take the 740,520 square feet and raise to the .5 power (square root) and you'd have a square area of 860.53 feet on each side - about 40 feet less than the length of 3 football fields.
-OR-
Dividing 740,520 by PI (3.14) gives a number of 235,714.84 (rounded). Take the square root of THAT, (235,714.84 ^.5) and you have a search radius of 485.5 feet from the incident.
How "reasonable" is a search radius roughly equivalent to a city block? Quality of the camera, weather conditions, lighting conditions, and traffic conditions will affect the quality, relevance and admissibility of the footage (if any). The mode, speed, and direction of travel, as well as any line-of-sight considerations will have an impact as well.
My little ol' LG phone from 2014 probably wouldn't be of much use as evidence unless I had a ringside seat, and that's IF the camera was turned on AND facing the right way. The voice recorder would likely be of even less use to investigators.
Timing is everything. Out of all the nightclub disasters that have occured over the years, the Station Nightclub Fire was pretty unique in that it documented ignition at the point of origin, the rapid fire development, the very rapid development of the smoke layer, and the fatal pileup at the main exit. FD was on scene within 5 minutes, but by then the whole building was fully involved. Fair warning - the linked video is hard to watch.
Raleigh PD would probably get better video from the dashcams of any commercial or government vehicles that might have been in the area. A lot of privately owned cars are running dashcams these days as well. How is it all gonna shake out? Fuck if I know.
I am surprised that any judge would dare to approve such a far reaching warrant. What a stretch...
1984
How is it all gonna shake out? Fuck if I know.
4/01/2018 02:15:00 AM
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A long and captivating build up....to the glaring absence of climax.
Quite the leather clad Mistress of Merciless Mirth there.....
But, hey......take a look at the big brain on Bradley.....
Means
Motive
Opportunity
Modern technology.
Making it easier than having to, initially, canvas the area.
Carry a cell phone, whilst commiting crime......gotcha.
Drive any vehicle with active gps service.....gotcha.
Pass, on foot or in vehicle, any video capture devices pointed on your path.....gotcha.
Find yourself being both caught and a PoC, in crooked county & bent city.......annnnnnnd......another one got away with it......
They will not comply willingly now if the Police offered to BUY the information? What was personal information is now for sale and you don't giveaway the only thing you have without a fight. We have done it to ourselves without a fight, just handed it over. Kids today live on social media so it's all downhill from here.
Someone recently disliked my comments (not here) They said they were going to report me to my 'advocacy superior'...... What the heck is an 'advocacy superior'..... is it some kind of liberal person who works in HR and monitors your comments on line? I am retired. who you going to call?
I just heard on the news that our hero Little Kimm is going to file suit against face book for failing to protect the privacy of subscribers. More proof this woman is an idiot? She is the State's Attorney in one of the most crime plagued counties in the nation and look what her priorities are.
Sounds like Geofeedia. You can request all social media posts in a certain area and time. Be aware that is being used and could be used against you.
I say, this insidious and pervasive abuse
is quite like Rahm pissing in the pristine
rainforests of Gabon. G'Day.
12.88 Walmart and pre-paid phone card........
Anonymous said...
I am surprised that any judge would dare to approve such a far reaching warrant. What a stretch...
4/01/2018 03:12:00 AM
Progressive Center Lefts getting ready, thats why they want all your guns first, then the rest the Bill Of Rights will be taken........
Thank God there is a 4th Amendment.
Can you say big brother watching? Seems like a violation of search and seizure law to me. Will be tested in court. How about a boycott of Google? Can you say don't Google it.
Love it in any big city a 17 acre might have up to one million people (think downtown on a work day). So a million suspects to interview. Your gonna need a lot more in effective detectives.
From January 2009 to October 2015 Google official had 427 documented meetings with the Obama Administration in the White House. Think about it. The Obama Administration and the Democratic Party have made a cozy relationship to the company which has instant access to private e-mails and communications of nearly every American. And lots of other useful untold information also. The most transparent administration in history. Yes, transparency of others.
This company has dirt on every American. The political party in charge provideed Google with favorable government regulations or negating unfavorable regulation giving their company a competitive edge, provides generous tax breaks and most importantly unlimited access to those who make the Nation’s rules and public policies . In return, Google assists protecting the political party’s power structure from negative information and giving troves of opposition research. It is essential that politicians maintain a mutually beneficial relationship with those who can embarrass you or dethrone a politician from the power derived from all that legally permissible collected information. No ethics issues or even blackmail opportunities here. Democrats have maintained that professional “working” relationship with Google which benefits both the company and the overall political agenda.
East Germany wished it had a modern day Google to identify, punish and permanently vanquish political opposition. Government can’t spy on its citizens as prohibited by the Constitution in the Fourth Amendment but a private, third party can. And of course, share that dirt which best achieves the agenda the political party your private company promotes, exclusively funds and identifies with. That third party information you share with government officials can help achieve its political party’s progressive policy, maintain its absolute grip on power, smear let’s say opposition political nominees/candidates providing just the right legally collected embarassing information and identifying “enemy” lists to those who are counter to your agenda.
Google is political and wields enormous power through money and seemingly innocent “information” collection via modern day communications from law abiding citizens for harmless, blameless legally authorized marketing purposes. Instead, Google uses this information they have targeted and collected on citizens and then converts it into raw intelligence keeping the public in the dark in a great deception.
And don’t forget, your search results can be manipulated where the most correct search information is put in the front of the line and opposing viewpoints are put in the back of a search or never listing them. Its Google silly, not a North Korean like government sponsored party information collection apparatus in the previous White House. Wasn’t Rahm Emanual part of this administration?
https://googletransparencyproject.org/articles/googles-white-house-meetings
Happy Easter to everyone and their families. Spend some quality time to get to know your family to strengthen relationships and to mend those that are broken. A strong family keeps our children in check and reaps great rewards. Its essential to pass on religious traditions and religious teachings before it is all replaced with secular indoctrination.
As long as your phone is on and connected to the cell network it can be located. That is so the call switching program knows which tower to send the call through..
But do they keep track of you as you move?
Scarry stuff.
Maybe the aluminum foil wrap people aren't so crazy after all.
Unless it’s Murder, these libs do not wholeheartedly oblige and that includes the obama NSA minded judges.
Forget about how long it takes to unlock and extract data from the phone itself.
However...
it’s ok for those companies to sell that private information they collected on these platforms without the consent or knowledge of the consumer.
Cook County case law:
Y’all polices just can’t go up in there and put a case on me.
My phone was stolt and I don’t know who used it or gots my password to send any messaging, photos, video or comments.
Circumstantial.
Next case.
You Tube has a series of videos entitled "Privacy is Dead Get Over It". A retired NYPD Officer Steven Rambam goes into length identifying sources and methods which can be useful to solve crimes. He has chased down war criminals and he goes into detail electronic sources he has used in tracking people. Quite an interesting watch. Its kinda like a primer for the modern day detective who needs to exposure to the newest investigative techniques in the electronic age of crime fighting.
If this isn't what amounts to a general warrant I don't know what is?
Just another reason to turn off the GPS locator on your phone. It's just a matter of time until someone comes up with an app to scramble your location.
Barney and Andy would be proud. Floyd the Barber not so much.
Talk about government over reach. I guess the rights of citizens are going to be trampled in the name of security.
765B
It's nice when you have a nice 380 in your pocket and the large bang goes off and your safe all the time retire police officer
And ISR's for everyone within that 17-acre area with a smartphone. Now get to scrbblin' !
They can have the damn thing! Always bugging me for comments and "rate your visit" crap. Long as I get all my photos back.
J.J.
"Great ideas" like this are how terrible caselaw is made.
Overreaching by cops is how cops lose good tools.
No. Fuck...No
It's nice when you have a nice 380 in your pocket and the large bang goes off and your safe all the time retire police officer
4/01/2018 12:53:00 PM
WTF are you talking about?!
Anonymous said...
How is it all gonna shake out? Fuck if I know.
4/01/2018 02:15:00 AM
This is the verified, certified, proven beyond all doubt, cock teaser of comments.
A long and captivating build up....to the glaring absence of climax.
Quite the leather clad Mistress of Merciless Mirth there.....
But, hey......take a look at the big brain on Bradley.....
4/01/2018 05:17:00 AM
Sorry if you were expecting some sort of guaranteed, rooted in statutory and case law precedent OPINION on where this might lead. I shrugged my shoulders because the wheel is very much still in spin. Our technology is evolving faster than our ability to regulate or enforce existing laws which can now be broken in "new" ways. We've sailed past the edge of the map, and Beyond There Be Serpents.
Politically, the system seems to have a pattern of selective enforcement when it benefits the right people. Remember the big Microsoft anti-trust lawsuit? Unfair and monopolostic business practices because of software bundling? Just another dog and pony show. While Microsoft was being crucified on the front page and in the editorials, there was a tiny little sliver of a story about the merger of Exxon-Mobil. Quite the coinky-dink,huh?
Mobil used to be known as SOCONY, as in Standard Oil Company of New York, while Exxon was known as Standard Oil of New Jersey. These were two of the 34 companies created when a court ruled Standard Oil to be an illegal monopoly in 1911. (Chevron, formerly Standard Oil of California, is another direct descendant of Standard Oil.) Standard Oil was the most high-profile company to be broken up by the Sherman Anti-Trust Act until AT & T was ordered to create the "Baby Bells" in 1984. Politically speaking, all companopolies are equal, but some seem to be more equal than others.
To be continued . . .
(Continued)
Moving along into court decisions, look at some of the crazy rulings made by federal circuit courts, especially the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in northern California. The 9th probably helps to sell blood-pressure medicine about as much as Odumbo was the NRA's
"Salesman of the Year" while in office.
Anyhow, a personal question for you, if I may: Do you have a strong belief in your property rights? Maybe an idea that eminent domain should be reserved for the purpose of private property being put to a public use for the public good? The old version of eminent domain allowed for private property to become public property (with adequate compensation) for obtaining or expanding right-of-way for streets and utilities, or maybe building a school, hospital, library, fire station or police station. That used to be the case, but the definition of "public use" has been expanded.
In 2005, the decision of the Supreme Court was 5-4 in the case of Kelo v. City of New London. The Kelo decision allowed that the government could take property from one private owner and turn it over to another private owner, even if the "public benefit" amounted to nothing beyond redevelopment for the purpose of increased tax revenues.
Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote in his concurring opinion that:
A court applying rational-basis review under the Public Use Clause should strike down a taking that, by a clear showing, is intended to favor a particular private party, with only incidental or pretextual public benefits, just as a court applying rational-basis review under the Equal Protection Clause must strike down a government classification that is clearly intended to injure a particular class of private parties, with only incidental or pretextual public justifications.
The firestorm from this ruling was intense enough that SCOTUS has shied away from several other eminent domain abuse cases, where clearly Kennedy's desire for firmer guidelines could be implemented.
Things like Kelo are why I just kind of roll my eyes when people tell me to trust the system and it'll all be okay. I didn't even go into the shitty labor prospects for the next few decades with unions being rolled back, more immigration to suppress wages, or robotic automation.
History is a wheel. All the gains of the 20th century in terms of employment, family, purchasing power and societal stability are melting away like an ice cube in August. Things like the Pullman Strike of 1894 might soon be the rule, rather than the exception.
(OT) looks like rahms city clerk Anna you know the 1 issuing city ID cards to illegals to let them get discounts and to vote illegally stepped into her own investigation:
https://thesecretsix.com/investigation/city-refuses-to-shed-light-on-questionable-termination-of-senior-level-city-employee/
Hmm:
Carroll also had a financial relationship with Clerk Valencia’s husband, Reyahd Kazmi, at the time of Friend’s termination. In March 2016 when Valencia was selected as Emanuel’s director of Legislative Counsel and Government Affairs, she transferred her political consulting company, AVK Advisors, to her husband. Kazmi began operating the company as Kazmi Advisors in September of that year and registered as a lobbyist in February 2017.
Wow again and again wonder how far this will go?
The answer to 1984 is 1776!
History is a wheel. All the gains of the 20th century in terms of employment, family, purchasing power and societal stability are melting away like an ice cube in August. Things like the Pullman Strike of 1894 might soon be the rule, rather than the exception.
4/01/2018 06:50:00 PM
Define the following:
What
Where
When
How
Why
Who
If
Anonymous Anonymous said...
If this isn't what amounts to a general warrant I don't know what is?
Just another reason to turn off the GPS locator on your phone. It's just a matter of time until someone comes up with an app to scramble your location.
4/01/2018 10:18:00 AM
The time happened quite a while ago - it's called a 'Location Spoofer'. For Android one has to enable the "Developer Options" on the phone... see here:
https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/how-to-get-developer-options-on-android/
https://www.phonearena.com/news/Heres-how-to-easily-fake-your-GPS-location-on-Android_id62775
https://trendblog.net/fake-gps-location-android/
https://www.androidphonesoft.com/resources/how-to-fake-android-gps-location.html
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lexa.fakegps&hl=en_US
On the iPhone:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/fake-gps-change-gps-location-share-fake-location/id1192952446?mt=8
And now you know why "Million Dollar Mike " does have and doesn't use a cell phone
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