Random?
Sure - because picking someone out of a group, all of whom were handpicked by the mayor - is the epitome of "fair:"
- A randomly chosen member of the Chicago Police Board will decide if an officer will face potential firing for a controversial 2015 shooting that killed a teenager who carried a baseball bat and an innocent bystander.
Any bets on how this portion plays out? Choo choo! All aboard!
Labels: shooting
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
78 Comments:
Given the police board is 100% fair in my wet dreams-- yeah right... let's see-- these guys are basically hand picked by Rham, so 10 bets on my left nut says this turns out a termination... stop reading and go get me a few heads by end of shift. Lol Rham is virtually on the police board
It will be lifhtfoot.
Try and get your job back and see how much money you spend-- take a second loan out and start a go fund me-- lol
Kind of like a Firing Squad, where a randomly selected rifle is loaded with a blank round to fire; so the Squad members can rationalize that maybe their shot didn't kill the condemned. Clearly this is being done to relieve the other board members of responsibility, and legal culpability. And, as we know Chicago so well, the selection will not be random. As is said about playing poker; if your sitting at the table wondering who the mark is.......it's you!
I guess they want California to burn down completely. Oh well.
With all of the back and forth and waffling by COPA, the city, Ed, Rahm, then Ed again, and the training methods that were in place, I’d say that Rialmo has good grounds to sue. Sad part is, we’re here, instead of Denmark.
Fuck you, Rahm!
If the police board won't follow the law ,then why should we follow r contract. A job action should take place on memorial day weekend.
Correct me if I got it wrong. I was always under the impression that when IPRA, IAD or now COPA make a finding, they refer it to the Superintendent, who then makes a recommendation as to the outcome, which in this case he found the officer justified. If not he would recommend suspension time and refer it to the police board. I never remember anything that circumvents the action of the Superintendent.
This is obviously a political move to appease certain groups, and depending on the outcome, cost taxpayers a lot of money.
Chugga chugga chugga chugga chugga Wooooh Wooooh!!!!! Fuck this city. From a copper's kid and a PRIVATE School Educator. Speaking of education, it's almost time for CPS to strike again I think. Why education brought CPS to mind is beyond me as they have very little to do with each other...but I digress. Wooooh Wooooh!!! Chugga chugga chugga chugga chugga. On with the railroading!!
This is unbelievable.
The officer did nothing wrong.
They need to add a sentence to department policy and state law.... following these does not remove one from the possibility of persecution if politics of the time require it.
They need to triple our pay because our risk exposure just shot through the ceiling.
Talk about the police officer's use of lead. The City is killing more people with lead than the police ever could. Enlightening article in today's Tribune: "Brain damaging lead found in tap water in hundreds of homes tested across Chicago." The lead is coming from the street connection all the way into your home where your main shutoff attaches to your house pipes. These lead pipes were mandated by the City code for the last hundred years but now Rahm feels that the home owner should have to replace the pipes at their expense. An embeded article from the Lancet Medical Journal says 400,000 deaths or 18% of all deaths in the US are linked to lead exposure. By those stats the City is killing more people than the police and Rahm is letting us all die slowly. Do you think Rahm drinks City water? Ever notice in all his public appearances he has bottled water in his hand. Where is the outrage? Where are the protest marches? Where are the sit ins? Lead free lives matter!
You can take it to the bank that this “random” person has already been told what Rahm wants.
You couldn’t make this shit up.
Sooo, a Non trained in law, Non trained in Dept policy, Non trained in deadly force individual appointed by the mayor will decide the fate of this officer.
Give us Barabas
I wonder if Mr/Mrs Random is any relation to Anny Nomonus.....
If the police board won't follow the law ,then why should we follow r contract. A job action should take place on memorial day weekend.
4/13/2018 12:39:00 AM
Right, kinda like Labor Day when greedy cops couldn't give up 1 day of VRI or in district OT.
Random .....just like random drug tests
Correct me if I got it wrong.
OK - you got it wrong.
I hope Bobby sues and gets enough money to get him and his family out of this shit hole state and to never have to work again. Every politician, fake reverend and police board and copa member should get in line to get hit with a bat. Then decide if that can kill you.
Guess you’ll be required to go over the air to notify your supervisor before you can discharge your weapon
Please clarify: if the superintendent recommends firing it goes to police board hearing, if he does not, it goes to police board hearing. So who has final say?
The future of policing in Chicago is here. The new recruits are on their own you know what you're in for don't say we didn't warn you. For the officers with a few years to go be careful and be safe and remember what Humphrey Bogart said in Casablanca, " I stick my neck out for no one." ♠️
Anonymous Anonymous said...
You can take it to the bank that this “random” person has already been told what Rahm wants.
4/13/2018 03:05:00 AM
Of course he has. It’s election time. Anything to appease the folks.
“Carrying a baseball bat”, like he was on his way to practice.
"Mayor was caught in a affiar 30 yo blonde from City Hall...Going to come out soon..SCC go ahead and let eveyone know, it's OK"
What's his name??
U can be assured John Omalley wont be chosen for this random assignment for obvious reasons
Apparent the Rahm folk are following (colluding against police) the nutty California model.
Rahm just loves to point the finger of blame and never takes blame.
Just like any Democrat, like obama and Hilllary.
Maybe there will be an oversight panel to oversee the three other panels.
One way or another the final word won’t come from RottenRahm.
These instances and any future violent community events that result in the lawful discharge of a firearm will be determined by the size of the vote block, at least until Jan/Feb 2019.
Do Nothing for Rahm & Special Ed.
Let the community have its problems.
Stay Fetal.
Those Board members GET PAID too.
Kinda sounds like the KIM FOXX felony review system. Some supervisor who is not on the scene who is nameless decides if a felon goes home.
Yet no protest... HELL we even have ass hats that protest the OBAMA museum but the FLOP cant round up a few pizza loving officers or weird retirees to walk around with funny signs in protest.
One day it could be you.
Random? Short straw? Rock, Paper, Scissors?
Rialto will get fired and will need to sue in court to get his job back. The city is pissed because he is suing them. The police board is no friend of Johnson. Lori Lightfoot hates the police. Rialto needs to find a lawyer who doesn't want the limelight.
we will see how many of our younger generation coppers come out to support the officer.
Get an Attorney and sue the lot, COPA, Police Board, Mayor and the offenders family who put you in harms way. Take it to Federal Court not Cook County. Sue for the big payout, not to keep your job.
I just want the city to come out and publicly state that one of the rounds that directly hit and killed this mental went through and through his body and struck the lady in the doorway. Just once to hear the accurate account ! And they talk of transparency, they should put out the numerous reports of this justified shooting. Thankfully the lawsuit will make this Officer somewhat whole in what he has been through and the city will eventually admit their wrongdoing .
Two comments. 1) Starting looking for another job kid and be glad your not going to prison. 2) someone mentioned lead in the drinking water. Remember don’t have your house tested. Especially by the city. It becomes public record and you will never sell your house when it’s time to retire.
They will fire him, the mayors office needs something for fall back on in case JVD is found not guilty.
It's almost a 50/50 shot. About half the board is fair and reasonable.
It would have been better if the cop had of backed off and retreated. Two people would still be alive.
Well if RAM IT UP THE POLICE OFFICER"S ASS, succeeds here....Every officer should have a blu flu until the "SCUM ELEMENT" in the city has killed most of the "SCUM" and hopefully some of the USELESS politicians!!!! The police numbers have dwindled, the retirement health benefits have been decimated, the pension circling the drain from lack of funding, and now they want to hang any officer trying to do their job......Well its time to have a blu flu and let this POS city destroy itself! Maybe we chould bring a few real cows into the city and see if we can have a second rebirth after Mrs Oleary's cow does it again.
I thought the Sopt had the last word.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Try and get your job back and see how much money you spend-- take a second loan out and start a go fund me-- lol
4/13/2018 12:11:00 AM
Those that have tried recently have not been to successful. Times are changing, years ago you could go to the courts for relief
Was a case at TBK where officers went to court, were reinstated by the court, only to have the city appeal the ruling and years later the appellate court overturn the decision and they were fired
NOTHING in Chicago is random.
"Carried a baseball bat" says it all.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Given the police board is 100% fair in my wet dreams-- yeah right... let's see-- these guys are basically hand picked by Rham, so 10 bets on my left nut says this turns out a termination... stop reading and go get me a few heads by end of shift. Lol Rham is virtually on the police board
4/13/2018 12:08:00 AM
This is so true they are all owned by and paid by rahm, since rahm owns them he will make that call and we all know how rahms anti-police rhetoric is extremely high we can guess the outcome and the fallout from coppers who many of the smart one's are fetal as they value their families and freedom!
The Christians had better odds against the lions. Is being mayor equal to a Roman emperor?🤔hmmm
Here is something random but not surprising with war on police being the tagline in chiraq:
https://chicago.suntimes.com/chicago-politics/mount-greenwood-n-word-started-fatal-shooting-joshua-beal-cops-far-southwest-side-firehouse-cpd/
The N-word started it,’
here is the premise from a shark lawyer whose law firm does not appear to be doing well:
• A woman taking a smoking break from her bartender’s job said she heard a white driver shout the N-word to African-Americans in the funeral procession. That prompted them to stop, and she said she saw a black man then punch the unidentified white driver.
• A white off-duty cop, Officer Joseph Treacy, called 911 and said his car had been boxed in by people in the motorcade. He asked the dispatcher to send uniformed police officers “before someone gets shot.”
• Treacy pointed his weapon at a group of African-Americans who gathered around him and were taunting him. He was one of the two officers who subsequently shot Beal.
And the money shot:
“The N-word started it,” says Blake Horwitz, who represents Beal’s fiancee Ashley Phifer and their two children in a lawsuit against the city.
And here is the liar err lawyer:
http://www.theblakehorwitzlawfirm.com/blake-horwitz
First big history of going after coppers easy to see, and now so this idiot is saying that if you call anyone a name they consider derogatory you have a right to beat that person and or shoot to kill them? is that the law of the jungle or the law of the land? Another stupid case that you can bet rahm will pander and run to give millions to the thugs family as usual! Now copa is looking to see if deadly force was justified what kind of bizaro world are we living in? A thug points a gun attempts to kill you and others and you take the thug down and it may not be justified? Anyone and that is absolutely anyone that does any proactive police work please for your own good seek help immediately the life the career the freedom you save will be your own!
The bottom feeding lawyers are crawling out of the sewers, you have to wonder who in the city law department is getting a kickback (did I say just say that sorry), what other reason is there that cases like this and others are not fought for the taxpayers with vim and vigor to the best of their ability? Time for a major house cleaning there and it needs to be now!
More like Rahm-dumb-ly chosen..
Yep, that's what law and order is all about, randomly picking a verdict. How about cutting cards or rolling the dice? None of these methods are "fair", but I'd rather take a chance with the cards or dice in a sanctuary city.
J.J.
sounds like a kangaroo court to me
put the blinders on , take no aggressive action unless you are in danger
person armed with a bat , get back in car , wait for the social workers , paramedics to respond
Anonymous Anonymous said...
"Mayor was caught in a affiar 30 yo blonde from City Hall...Going to come out soon..SCC go ahead and let eveyone know, it's OK"
What's his name??
4/13/2018 07:27:00 AM
ask adam collins
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I thought the Sopt had the last word.
4/13/2018 09:25:00 AM
You thought wrong
Anonymous said...
Please clarify: if the superintendent recommends firing it goes to police board hearing, if he does not, it goes to police board hearing. So who has final say?
4/13/2018 06:51:00 AM
Police Board ALWAYS has final say on any discipline exceeding 30 days. Neither COPA nor the Supe can "fire"; only recommend a punishment. After investigation the recommendation from COPA goes to Supe and he either concurs or does not concur and provides an alternate punishment or recommendation, including an exoneration. Then it goes to the Board for a hearing and determination of penalty.
Here’s a question. Are members of the Police Board randomly tested for DRUGS? If not...how come?
(OT) So the university of Chicago is saying it needs more money to build and educate the children hmm they would never misappropriate cash would they? how did they get permits so rapidly? lets see lets take a look around:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/obamacenter/ct-met-obama-donors-20180413-story.html
Wait what is this:The Obama Foundation was also given more than $250,000 from the Glenview-based Illinois Tool Works Inc., a manufacturer of industrial products and equipment. And for the first time, the foundation received a gift from the University of Chicago, valued between $100,001 and $250,000.
Former President Barack Obama attended the University of Chicago, his wife, former first lady Michelle Obama, worked there, and the institution was instrumental in luring the Obama Presidential Center to the South Side. The university has donated office space and partnered with the foundation on a scholarship program, but this is its first large cash donation, records show.
*So moocheelle had a job there making $350,000 that quickly was closed as soon as she left (A payoff?)now they are giving more to barry and her! Gee whiz would that money not better be used to hire police in that crime ridden neighborhood, you know that area the university puts out alert notices to every student about the violence? The democarts pro pandering and pro apparently thug life,what about the "children" mantra"
(OT) and we make the news again the media should just have the 24/7 cycle "attack the CPD" they could fill the hours easily as they troll everything no matter the nature no matter the season no matter how trivial:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-former-chicago-officer-jailed-in-wife-murder-accused-of-shoving-guard-20180413-story.html
May the wife RIP!
I’m surprised they don’t just flip a coin
It would have been better if the cop had of backed off and retreated. Two people would still be alive.
4/13/2018 08:53:00 AM
And, if the parents had not called the police for help, two people would still be alive.
If the parents never bought their son a baseball bat, two people would still be alive.
If the parents never lived on that block, two people would still be alive.
If the parents had never done the horizontal mambo, two people would still be alive.
Do you understand your level of idiocy? Asshole.
Call it by any name. Retreating is cowardice. Strategic relocation without protecting the citizens is cowardice. Police officers proven to be cowards are fired. Had the police officers retreated, the parents and society in general would be blaming the officers for any damage, injury or death caused by the goof with the baseball bat after the officers retreated. We cannot catch a break, especially from assholes like you.
Blue Flu in this Department....lmao
To many storkes and kiss asses..To many officers worried about thier spots.. Officers stop bringing the Kool-Aid and let's come together to take this department back from these fucking Democrats.
Please clarify: if the superintendent recommends firing it goes to police board hearing, if he does not, it goes to police board hearing. So who has final say?
4/13/2018 06:51:00 AM
as with everything, whether it be formal instruction or informal instruction, 9.5 tells them what to do, until a court tells 9.5 to do a reversal. TD 9.5 is the puppet-master.
Rialto will get fired and will need to sue in court to get his job back. The city is pissed because he is suing them. The police board is no friend of Johnson. Lori Lightfoot hates the police. Rialto needs to find a lawyer who doesn't want the limelight.
4/13/2018 07:47:00 AM
Oh man! That's bad news for the Rialto guy. (What did he do?)
OTOH, Robert Rialmo is a good guy and he will prevail.
Are you related to Norm Crosby?
Correct me if I got it wrong. I was always under the impression that when IPRA, IAD or now COPA make a finding, they refer it to the Superintendent, who then makes a recommendation as to the outcome, which in this case he found the officer justified. If not he would recommend suspension time and refer it to the police board. I never remember anything that circumvents the action of the Superintendent.
This is obviously a political move to appease certain groups, and depending on the outcome, cost taxpayers a lot of money.
4/13/2018 01:01:00 AM
It's part of the MCC under Chapter 2-78.
2-78-130 Decisions, recommendations.
They made it so the Sup has no actual authority when they made COPA, only COPA and the Police Board.
Retreat hell I've just begun to fight. If we quit paying these people to have children problems would be solved in a generation. That would be no extra welfare for additional children after one. Payments end when that first child turns 18. End of gravy train get a job or your homeless I really don't care. It is a thing called personal responsibility, something the community currently does not understand, always someone else fault for their situation.
It would have been better if the cop had of backed off and retreated. Two people would still be alive.
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Who the fuck are you? Nostradamus? The raging mental probably would've beat the brains out of his dead beat family and the nosey neighbor. Then you would be blaming the cop for their deaths. Hopefully the cops retreat during your future bludgeoning.
Kenosha woman mugged downtown today for
60k in cash and jewlery, I hate being
down town these days, so much trash and no police presence.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
It would have been better if the cop had of backed off and retreated. Two people would still be alive.
4/13/2018 08:53:00 AM
And, if the parents had not called the police for help, two people would still be alive.
If the parents never bought their son a baseball bat, two people would still be alive.
If the parents never lived on that block, two people would still be alive.
If the parents had never done the horizontal mambo, two people would still be alive.
Do you understand your level of idiocy? Asshole.
Call it by any name. Retreating is cowardice. Strategic relocation without protecting the citizens is cowardice. Police officers proven to be cowards are fired. Had the police officers retreated, the parents and society in general would be blaming the officers for any damage, injury or death caused by the goof with the baseball bat after the officers retreated. We cannot catch a break, especially from assholes like you.
This poster doesnt get that the whole thing is the fault of Le Grier. However he is right. It would have been better for Rialmo if he backed off. It would have been even better if he never responded to the job in the first place.
La Griers father would have been beaten to a pulp with a baseball bat. Maybe the mother too. But who cares? Not the poster here, and not I.
Anonymous said...
Kenosha woman mugged downtown today for
60k in cash and jewlery, I hate being
down town these days, so much trash and no police presence.
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She was walkin around with $60k in cash and jewelry on her?
Then she is a dumb ass.
Lightfoot will be queen shit in exchange for splitting the ghetto vote to help Rahm be re-elected. She is a total racist pos.
Ferguson really needs to be investigated by the fbi.
Call it by any name. Retreating is cowardice. Strategic relocation without protecting the citizens is cowardice. Police officers proven to be cowards are fired. Had the police officers retreated, the parents and society in general would be blaming the officers for any damage, injury or death caused by the goof with the baseball bat after the officers retreated. We cannot catch a break, especially from assholes like you.
4/13/2018 06:42:00 PM
WHAT A COMPLETELY ASSININE STATEMENT! Sometimes retreating to regroup and reassess and then reengage is the only logical and common sense option. The original poster Im sure is not suggesting that Rialmo just retreat and drive away. How f'ing stupid can you be to suggest that a police officer do that. All they were suggesting is that he retreat to do the things I mentioned above. You obviously have never taken additional police officer safety training.
This is an employment situation plain and simple. The results might or might not be fair, but it is the employer who has the last word on this. Police officers have more safeguards for their actions and jobs then the average citizen, this by necessity because they work in a political and confrontational environment. If the employer, the CPD, governed by the Police Board fire an officer, that officer has the same rights as the average citizen and can appeal to the courts for relief. I know that sound shitty, but that is what happens.
Call it by any name. Retreating is cowardice. Strategic relocation without protecting the citizens is cowardice. Police officers proven to be cowards are fired. Had the police officers retreated, the parents and society in general would be blaming the officers for any damage, injury or death caused by the goof with the baseball bat after the officers retreated. We cannot catch a break, especially from assholes like you.
4/13/2018 06:42:00 PM
WHAT A COMPLETELY ASSININE STATEMENT! Sometimes retreating to regroup and reassess and then reengage is the only logical and common sense option. The original poster Im sure is not suggesting that Rialmo just retreat and drive away. How f'ing stupid can you be to suggest that a police officer do that.
4/14/2018 10:16:00 AM
You are an idiot. A serious lack of reading comprehension accompanied by a fit of hysteria is hardly the manner in which you should engage in a serious discussion.
You wrote, "Sometimes retreating to regroup and reassess and then reengage is the only logical and common sense option." And, when are those times? When things are happening fast, there is no luxury of time to "regroup and reassess and then reengage." As a police officer, you are required to act, not sit back, have a smoke and think about your next move. Policing in a densely populated neighborhood requires quick thought and quick action when a serious circumstance, other than an HBT situation, is unfolding in front of you. Again, strategic relocation [retreat] without protecting the citizens is cowardice.
And how can you be sure of the original poster's suggestion? You wrote, "The original poster Im sure is not suggesting that Rialmo just retreat and drive away. How f'ing stupid can you be to suggest that a police officer do that."
How can you tell exactly what the original poster was suggesting? Are you a mind reader? The only way you can be sure of the original poster's intention is if you are the original poster. Either way, it is quite obvious you are not a police officer in an urban, densely-populated area where things happen quickly. Also, the original poster did write retreat as a solution, but where did the original poster, or I, write anything about driving away?
You also wrote, "All they were suggesting is that he retreat to do the things I mentioned above. You obviously have never taken additional police officer safety training."
Again, how do you definitively know what the poster was suggesting? It might come as a shock to you, but there are plenty of non-police people who feel retreat by the police is the best option, as in step-back and do nothing because the situation will only be made worse. And, when things are made worse, those same people blame the police.
But, you seem to know it all? Were you the valedictorian of your citizen's police academy class? And, do you live in a rural area? That would explain your views of policing.
This poster doesnt get that the whole thing is the fault of Le Grier. However he is right. It would have been better for Rialmo if he backed off. It would have been even better if he never responded to the job in the first place.
La Griers father would have been beaten to a pulp with a baseball bat. Maybe the mother too. But who cares? Not the poster here, and not I.
4/14/2018 12:11:00 AM
"This poster doesnt get that the whole thing is the fault of Le Grier. However he is right. It would have been better for Rialmo if he backed off. It would have been even better if he never responded to the job in the first place."
You correctly place blame on the bat-wielding LeGrier, but then you do the same as the original poster. You amazingly put the blame on the actions of the police officer. You are an "If Only". If only the police officer had not done this and if only the police officer had not done that. However, life does not work in that manner. Think about it. The police were called to the scene because people needed help. They were not called to the scene by a member of the community because the caller did not want them to respond or the caller wanted to witness the police retreat.
Also, Officer Rialmo was not on the scene of his own volition. He was assigned to a call for help made by the parents. Once on assigned to the call, Officer Rialmo did not have the luxury of not responding or, once on the scene, backing off. Those are not luxuries afforded a police officer.
Here is one for you as an "If Only". If only you had not written your nonsense, no one would know you are a dumb ass.
Anonymous said...
Kenosha woman mugged downtown today for
60k in cash and jewlery, I hate being
down town these days, so much trash and no police presence.
4/13/2018 11:31:00 PM
Does she know that couple from Minnesota who was robbed a few months back?
Let the pay to play continue. Look at your Leadership. Look at your City, County, State. No wonder everythings fucked. Nothin but Inmates running the Asylum. Not a solid brainwave amongst them all.
If this (Rialmo) case goes to the Police Board is better include the redacted report from the Baltimore Lt.
Sounds like that report exonerated the officer. Withholding exculpatory evidence is a violation of his due process rights.
Kenosha woman get robbed of $60K just walking around?
Sounds like an insurance scam to me.
I think COPA and IPRA should really have at least two members on the board who have law enforcement experience instead of people who have no clue on what to do when it comes to Deadly Force shootings or what coppers have to experience on the street.
I say have them all do ride alongs on the South and West sides of the city preferably in 011,015,007, to know exactly what they face every day they go on tour. Instead of being f*cking hypocrites on what exactly the police should be doing and shouldn't.
There are actually members of the Police Board that are fair. This Omalley guy has been very swing our way this far !
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