Old Versus Young
Here's an interesting take on what every cop experiences during a hiring wave. It's timely seeing as the Department is on a binge and a lot of the issues we're seeing crop up are addressed within:
- I’ve been working lately with a very young crew of cops. I usually work the street with up to four other officers and a sergeant. It isn’t unusual to have the combined years of service of those five guys adding up to a number significantly less than the 23 years I’ve been working as a cop. Experiences with these guys have caused me to reflect on the effect that youth has on the police profession and society in general.
I bear no ill will toward the younger guys, and in fact, think that most of them are exemplary human beings. On the other side of the coin, I also think the relative youth of the officers we hire contributes to a lot of the problems we have in policing today.
We hire young guys and gals in their early 20s. They have essentially zero life experience. They possess a college degree and have generally lived a pretty smooth life. They haven’t ever been arrested, they have no substance abuse problems, and they don’t have an unreasonable amount of debt. We don’t hire candidates with criminal histories, mental illness, drug use in their backgrounds, or financial problems. All of that shows poor judgement and we try not to hire candidates with poor judgment.
Our new cops have generally never experienced the crushing loss of a loved one or a friend’s death. They don’t know anyone who is addicted to pain pills or who drinks a bottle of vodka every night to keep the demons at bay. They’ve never dealt with schizophrenia or autism or paranoia. They’ve never been in a romantic relationship that has gone so badly that one party or the other resorts to physical violence.
What do you think cops deal with on a daily basis? Drug addiction. Alcoholism. Mental illness. Crushing poverty. Family problems and dead bodies. Lots of poor judgement.
It's a pretty well written article. Go read it all.
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posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
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What do you think cops deal with on a daily basis? Drug addiction. Alcoholism. Mental illness. Crushing poverty. Family problems and dead bodies. Lots of poor judgement.
Been on the job 7 years. This paragraph sums up what I have seen every single day. Minus the dead bodies. That might be every couple days. But we’re the problem.
Better to hire Army or Marine vets that have had at least one combat tour in the sandbox. You grow up quick when you and your buddies are being shot at, or blown up. A little past military discipline is also always a plus.
My personal experience with these new hires is not all bad, but I will say most of them desire the path of least resistance. By that, I mean they all (many of them) seek to be on a spot that does next to nothing, has decent hours, and yet you haven’t paid any dues. Me personally, I was just hoping not to be on midnights at that point, which I was anyway.
This hiring wave is different. Make no mistake about it, the "Be the Change" slogan of the CPD hiring campaign was unusually honest and purposeful for anything that the department does. They truly want to get rid of veteran officers and replace them with a new generation that will not think about proactive enforcement of the law. The City of Chicago wants to get out of the business of enforcing the law. They can't do that with us here, even in a state on non-proactive policing. If you doubt it, go sit through "Procedural Justice, Part II". Police work is over in Chicago.
Excellent points in the article. To add to it, CPD is an extremely young, inexperienced, and dumb group of people nowadays. Sorry, it is the sad truth. The department is children teaching children. Children leading children. Even though there are so many other negative issues that are tying the hands of CPD, I don't think it would change the fact that the department's majority are dumb, naive, scaredy cats.
Bravo CPD, where are you finding such people?
As far as I am concern CIA has a problem to hire people because most of young ones smoke at lest weed and it is a "no no" in any intelligence hiring process.
I believe that must have been some far suburban wave because the young Chicago..? lol
The age is, indeed, a big issue. Again, it is a truism young people and young dogs are relatively easy to train and obey. Control too.
Why, what you think, the Army hires 18 y o?
And we worry later about suicidal rate due to depression an other traumas in forces.
Who, BTW is the spokesman for CPD ( Sorry for OT)? Not Googleme, the other one? Terrific! Truly terrific..
I think a big part of the problem is the tv generation. Life isn't a shoot em up. Police work has always been mostly social work. I Think the generations that served in combat might have understood that. I realize that there are many recent veterans currently employed but not the percentage of years past.
Interesting article to read, but I have seen recruits between the ages of 35-39 that are borderline intellectually disabled. I have also seen recruits between the ages of 21-25 that should be required to wear a helmet at all times and stay within arm's reach of their handler.(no offense btw)
At the end of the day, don't immediately judge a new officer because of their age. I have seen great recruits from all ages.
-Baby G's Nephew
Nobody wants "old experienced" cops anymore.
At least not in Chicago which has been deliberately
purging senior officers for the last 15 years or so.
The young (or old enough to know better) bosses
say you're a "bad influence" on the younger officers.
Mostly because they can't bully, threaten or brow-beat
you into doing questionable/unethical/illegal/fraught
with administrative peril shit.
The "old experienced" Cop moves at his own pace and
can quickly ascertain what's worthy of immediate
attention and what's complete and total dumbshit.
You won't see "old experienced" Cops running around
like their hair is on fire...
"Old experienced" Cops aren't going to jump at
every shadow like everyone with an opinion thinks
he should.
"Old experienced" Cops KNOW stuff that many WISHED
they knew.
The kicker?
"Old experienced" Cops learned from the "old experienced" Cops
who came before them.
The body of Police knowledge is cumulative.
It's like a great repository of hard-earned
street knowledge.
The liberal progressives who run America's large
democrat controlled urban centers and the media
have made it their business to light fires and
burn that repository of knowledge to the ground
since they are unable to over-write that knowledge
with their bullshit.
Here in Chicago, SCC serves as a "safe space" for
those who want to share, exchange and partake of
that knowledge.
Heh...
Why do you think that bullshit "Consent Decree"
is so thick with their desire to deny Policemen
this place and space to express and exchange such
knowledge and information?
Oh yeah... The Bill of Rights has been made subordinate
to condition of employment.
Policemen speaking bluntly and honestly about conditions at
ground level are accused by policy makers and politicians
of "bringing discredit upon the city and department."
Look to the mayor's office.
Look to the office of the superintendent.
The discredit they bring rises to the level
of conspiratorial criminal negligence worthy
of a federal RICO investigation, but that's
a whole other conversation.
Musings of an old, brutal, racist, insensitive,
Mt. Greenwood/Dunning dwelling, culturally insensitive,
in dire need of being reformed "experienced" Blue Suit.
There's nobody left to really show these young Officers how.
The public is going to be the worse for it.
We feel sorry for this generation of Policemen.
They'll never know the feeling of being able
to hunt and put a hurt on the BEE-AY-DEE m/fers
who richly deserve hunting and being subjected
to a righteous, powerful and lawful hurt.
...Still hearing those 350 Chevys coming in
smoking hot and gettin' up on the sidewalk
on the way to do some work.
Front doors opening and some 12 feet and 500 lbs
of Pure Poleece Power jumping out of each of those
MANY 9c1 sedans.
Oops...
That very memory is brutal, racist
and reeks of "genocide" against a
perpetually aggrieved "community."
Funny... We thought we were trying to
make a difference however imperfectly
it was done.
Oh well... We (in spite of the PTSD,
grief, aches, pains and aggravation)
sleep with a clear conscience.
And for the most part, so do our peers.
Wonder how Rahm is sleeping?
Ed?
Lori "The Little Hater" Lightfoot?
All those activists and rev'runs too?
Look.
Point & Laugh.
Leave.
I work with a lot of younger guys, and agree most have good intentions, but life experience really does matter on this job. One guy in particular who is 22 yrs old is so eager to arrest people for anything just to make a name, and its actually quite scary. All he cares about are his numbers so he can brag on snapchat, or facebook to friends about how many people he arrests. As soon as he arrests someone he gets right on his phone and texts people to tell them. He cuts his partners out of decisions and tries to control everything, twirls his handcuffs around in the faces of people he might arrest, and if its not an arrest he get mad. He never thinks ahead to what might happen after the arrest or using any kind of discretion and his age and inexperience in life shines bright on CPD. He is definitely earning a reputation amongst his peers.
But they will learn..just like we all did..I was that cop too 23+ years ago. Enjoy ignorance before life and the job crush you ..
Since major depolicing(2014) I saw old and young, of those I came across most were reasonable(fetal). Some are callback material.
There has been a great loss of knowledge, common sense, and experience due to merit or clout people who have risen to the top. Also all the political correctness and all the outside people who interfere with the police department who think they know how to do the police officer's job better than the officer.
Good read but this guys has clearly never been a big city cop with the problems like Chicago has, Rocks , piss full bottles , glass bottles being thrown at you . No body teaches you that either. The verbal abuse , possibility of getting shot at. You can’t teach that. But you also can’t teach life. Someone has to start somewhere. Stay fetal my friends. Let them have the city
Was forced to take that BS Procedural Justice legitimacy class! Talk about a WASTE OF TIME! I’ve always enjoyed being lectured and told how to handle certain situations by “instructors” , I’m going to use that term “instructors” lightly , as lightly as I possibly can to be honest! None the less I sat through it, listening to how these house mouses , god bless them for being able to be inside these days, “house mouses”, advise & instruct the PO’s who are out there everyday dealing with the comm-runity in hostile environments, how to handle confrontations. From what I gathered, if you don’t get out of the squad car and put hands on someone, you will not upset them(offenders) & WIN every scenario/ encounter! What has this job come to? 16 months to go, GOOD RIDDANCE!
Book smarts does not equal street smarts!!!!!
Do away with the college/military requirements.
28 years with CPD and held hostage because of my age due to the insurance.
Nice post but behind the times. With the lowering of standards they are not hiring the same kind of candidates he was describing. Now you have substance abusers, gang members, youthful felons qualifying to be CPD. Also lower physical training standards are putting all at risk.
Military experience is a no no for the CPD.
Everything is not black and white there is somethings called GRAY area it's time for the kids on the job to grow up and learn the job
I have seen a lot with zero social skills who have their faces in their phones and aren't even capable of saying hello. I have also seen so many really great ones. Funny, friendly, roll with the punches and take the initiative to learn and work.
If some of those young cuties want some real life experience, they can meet me at my pretty loft for some of my famous white wine spritzers. There, they will experience things never taught in any school.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
I’m young (5yrs on) and I agree a lot with this. The article is well written and respectful. Not the usual barrage of non-sense you see from some cranks in the comments, you know the “these stupid *insert any number of years less than them* year wonders....” etc. . It is a strange thing to see/hear so many young coppers fresh on the job, still on status, to be clamoring for an indoor spot, wanting to be assigned to 016/020/001/018 right off status. It seems to be a majority too. I dont know where the hell theyre finding some of these people.
What do you think cops deal with on a daily basis? Drug addiction. Alcoholism. Mental illness. Crushing poverty. Family problems and dead bodies. Lots of poor judgement.
IOW, You have to deal with the inevitable downside of the Liberal Great Society. Every Thing Goes! No Morals Required! Uncle Sugar will support your addictions, psychoses, sloth and criminality. Do it if it feels good!
How many times do you see this behavior in Christian/ Religious Middle Class Families?
Occasionally we do. But not entire blocks full of disfunctional families, or more accurately "domestic units," because there are no family values apparent. Not just blacks, but hispanics, whites, native Americans, and asians too. You know the neighborhoods. You know the blocks. You know the apartment complexes. You know the tragedies.
Before Lyndon Johnson's Great Society Welfare Giveaways ruined the black society (and every other race), they were fast catching up with their white counterparts. Now our multiracial underclass is devolving to its basest elements.
When I came on the job in 1978 the old timers hired in the 1950's said the job aint what it use to be. Too many rules and the community doesn't respect us. The old times complained about the new cops who were being trained at the recently opened 1300 W. Jackson, they complained that the building was too new and nice for the new baby PPO's whose hair and sideburns were too long. Fast forward some 40 years later and those baby cops have left the job, replaced by younger one ones who complain that they don't get respect from the community and there are held accountable...... Nothing has changed between then and now !
I was talking to a 23yo coming on the other day. Not only didn't this kid know if his ass was punched or drilled but he thought he knew everything.
He thinks he's going to be coming on CPD and dealing with the Italian Mafia. A nice kid , a college kid, but utterly clueless.
Anyhoo who cares. I'm living fat with free insurance. I think I'll go back to bed for a 9am nap.
Anonymous said...
What do you think cops deal with on a daily basis? Drug addiction. Alcoholism. Mental illness. Crushing poverty. Family problems and dead bodies. Lots of poor judgement.
Been on the job 7 years. This paragraph sums up what I have seen every single day. Minus the dead bodies. That might be every couple days. But we’re the problem.
8/06/2018 12:06:00 AM
I’ve been on the job over 20 years. It’s my job to teach you. Sometimes while wadin thru all the BS, we old timers forget to do that. Also, the last sentence of your post makes me think that the next 13 years will be exceptionally difficult for you.
And look back to when to you were hired 23 years ago, what did you know, were you subjected to or took part in any of the lifestyle's or victimizations that you describe. Hire the best, all they need do is read a newspaper to see what a fucked up society liberal hollywood, the excuse making politicians and judges have made of the inner city.
They were dropping pop bottles from the 16th floor (I worked with a Cop whose face was scarred for life when the bottle came through the squad car windshield at 42nd & LakePark in the mid 70's) along with diapers full of shit 40 years ago when I came on and all of the other shit you describe. None of it was in my life background but you learn it quick and how to survive it.
The new cops aren't even physically fit enough for the job anymore. Drove by the academy watching recruits jog around the building during PT. Some where barley above walking speed, and many where shockingly overweight.
If a combined police/fire acadamy like Rahm wants here comes to fruition I predict they'll never have combined PT sessions in the drill yard
I guess 19 Months is the new minimum requirement for TAC and or Plain Clothes..
BCP @ 0106 hours...
Another perfect summation of a much better time on this now-thankless job.
Nothing... NOTHING was better than hearing those aforementioned 9C1's in the distance, full throttle and rapidly making their way closer when you so much as asked for "an assist car, no emergency, squad".
Five 'slowdowns' and 3 'total disregards' later and cars were still jumping curbs and appearing as if out of thin air via vacant lots to make their way in to help. A quarter century + ago was a very different time.
That level of camaraderie no longer exists on CPD. All by design, of course.
So glad I'm almost at the finish line. Wouldn't wish this job on my worst enemy.
A hearty pour of your choice of barrel-aged goodness, good sir. I hope that I someday have the honor of fate causing us to cross paths at a watering hole far away from this Shithole.
A cast of characters that no other profession can claim.
We were all young once.
Full of piss and vinegar as they said.
Many old timers, the wise that is, always had kind words and sound advice if not busting chops.
We didn’t want to hear it then and they still don’t today.
It will catch up to you.
Looking back how things changed mostly in the manner in which democrat social justice nuts have injected their agenda into policing.
We can’t be the old police of days gone by anymore, but a few can still try. Those that adopted the democrat influences will be the first to “go fetal” for the wrong reason.
HQ is full of these types, as are the house mice.
Just because some district dinosaurs can’t jump fences, run sprints or give twoshits about arresting joe for nonsense anymore, doesn’t mean they’re useless and need to sent out to the glue factory.
If you can’t stop and listen to the elders, then you’re no better off than the ones you’re chasing for CB’s.
Veterans said the same thing about me...20 years ago when I started.
My father, one of the greatest cops to ever walk a beat, was "old school"....in other words, the type of cop that, like a good teacher or preacher, has instincts that can never be taught, it's just a natural talent....anyway, he died a long time ago (not before shooting and killing someone in our house who had broken in, but that's another story for another time)...One of his partners from back in the day told me a story about my dad. My father was training this guy, and this young cop was trying to get a drunk dude into a paddy wagon (back in the days when you would actually arrest someone for public drunkenness)....The young fellow was trying to "negotiate" with the angry, raging drunk....my father watched this for about a minute, walked over to them, and cracked the drunk over the head with his billy club, telling his young recruit, "You don't negotiate with a drunk."
Probably illegal, certainly not politically correct, 100% effective.
Sorry you guys have your hands tied.....what a bunch of bullshit this is...oh, BTW, I am a lesbian, abortion and death penalty supporting, gun owning Bernie Sanders loving individual, who will not be divided by media, Russian trolls, etc....I have my own mind, thank you very much
Puglover
This hiring wave is different. Make no mistake about it, the "Be the Change" slogan of the CPD hiring campaign was unusually honest and purposeful for anything that the department does. They truly want to get rid of veteran officers and replace them with a new generation that will not think about proactive enforcement of the law. The City of Chicago wants to get out of the business of enforcing the law. They can't do that with us here, even in a state on non-proactive policing. If you doubt it, go sit through "Procedural Justice, Part II". Police work is over in Chicago.
8/06/2018 12:34:00 AM
Man you hit the nail right on the head. I've been thinking the same thing. I've been observing the last ten or so years very carefully and what they've been hiring is not what came on the job in our day or before. I'd say the last hires that resembled the old way of policing at all came on 15 or more years ago. From the 55 and out to the swiping and everything in between, they are doing whatever they can to get rid of the old cops that actually used to put their hands on these scumbags. I've watched as they introduced TRR's, no chase policy, blue light cameras, in car cameras, GPS on the cars, body cameras, Traffic stop statistical studies, taking every asshole with a scratch to the hospital, ISR's, COPA, and the list goes on. I'm sure I'm missing a ton of shit. I'm just glad I'm close to the end. I really feel bad for these young guys just coming on to this shit, although they don't know any better. I guess ignorance really is bliss.
When i came otj, I was along with many trained by Vietnam vets, they were soldiers and understood how to be the police,and also how to handle the savage animals, but also to be kind to the people/folks stuck in the "communities" of black and latino violence! But that was in an era where you could be the police and people had a respectable fear of police,and not just police but of teachers and parents!
I think a big part of the problem is years ago people applied for the job because they really wanted to be the police. Now most of the recruits I have talked to say it’s because the pay and benefits are better than the job I was in. They have no interest in the job, it’s all about pay and benefits and a few even say if they can’t do the job, they know they will be placed inside.
Truth....
You can definitely hear those 350s barreling down the street.
There has been quite a paradigm shift in the CPD lately. The last five years have been especially extreme and I think the 11th district is the best example of it. Going to the 11th district used to take a phone call. Officers WANTED to go there and hone their craft with aspirations of trading in the fillmore ranger hoody for Homan Square covert take home car. To go from hoody to covert car took time. There were experienced officers in 11. New officers had someone to follow or turn to when they need some advice/direction in handling situations beyond their capabilities. It was hard to get to 011. It was harder to get on team in 011. It was next to impossible to make it to Homan without a phone call. That uphill battle didnt stop those under-clouted from sticking around and trying anyway. There was always that hope that you were just one more hype,junkie,tranny arrest away from the brass ring. That was the old 011. Even the tribune noticed and penned an article about 011 having the least experienced officers back in 2016. Its not just the patrol officers either. The sgts lts and capt there are all probably the least experienced in their positions. Now you can walk into a 1st or 3rd watch roll call and be a shot caller with 2 hash marks on your sleeve. Once mighty tac teams are reduced to taking applications instead of cherry picking who they wanted from the watch. Who do these young officers have to lean on? A copper with 18 months being led by a copper with 3 years? Sure there are superevisors and thats part of their job to lead and mentor young officers. But the supervisors are spread thin in 011 between shooting scenes and TRR issues. Not to mention the approving of reports, descipline, officer evaluations, and filling out a supervisor log. 15 years ago I wanted to be that fillmo ranger with the matching hoody. Now I'd much rather have that rogers park beat car.
Just look to the avenues that pro sports have gone down. MLB has no more contact plays at 2nd base or home plate. The NHL has outlawed the enforcer and switched to a more olympic style of hockey. At the rate the NFL is going we wont be able to tell the difference between a football game and an episode of dancing with the stars. We dont have a rules committee for CPD , we have much worse. Now officers are governed by a new type of cerberus that is ACLU/COPA/BLM. This three headed hell hound has turned a street stop into something so convoluted and TRR into a 5 hour ordeal that none of it is worth doing anymore. Anyone still applying that enforcer mentality on the job is headed for an extended stay in the cpd penalty box better known as call back.
I agree and disagree with his point. As much as I completely agree that not everyone needs to be arrested, and police work should NEVER be about numbers, not everyone learns from their own mistakes.
Sometimes nice people need to be arrested.
Far too much micromanagement today. You are tracked where you go.
Every action is on camera too. Your word means nothing
Something they didn’t have or do years back
...And it's not so much old vs. young.
The progressives have managed to peel away
the "reasonable man" element from Police
Use of Force.
"Duty to Retreat."
When you have nowhere to retreat to...
And you still better not pull that pistol
too fast or even preemptively.
There ARE NO "Reasonable Men" judging your
actions anymore and that's by design.
It's part and parcel of the Police Reform
narration.
Disagree. Should we hire a bunch of alcoholics with bad credit?
That who cops drink a lot this is from a past era. Just not the truth anymore.
I’m young (5yrs on) and I agree a lot with this. The article is well written and respectful. Not the usual barrage of non-sense you see from some cranks in the comments, you know the “these stupid *insert any number of years less than them* year wonders....” etc. . It is a strange thing to see/hear so many young coppers fresh on the job, still on status, to be clamoring for an indoor spot, wanting to be assigned to 016/020/001/018 right off status. It seems to be a majority too. I dont know where the hell theyre finding some of these people.
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Seems like someone’s finally having regrets about requesting 011. I tell all the PPO’s I come across to try and stay in 018 because the ghetto gets old quick. Suck it up “U da real poleeces”.
The new cops aren't even physically fit enough for the job anymore. Drove by the academy watching recruits jog around the building during PT. Some where barley above walking speed, and many where shockingly overweight.
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The same could be said of a fair number of officers with 10 or 20 years on the job. A lot of them look as if they would drop dead if they had to run a hundred yards.
i got 8 years on the job and when i came on i observed a bunch of my counterparts beg to team up together and some of them even knew or s#@^wed people to get in spots! I stayed in patrol on midnights 5 years and learned the job inside out from guys with 15+ years i paid homage to them and i shut up and listen. even when my powers developed and i knew a better way of doing something as long as it wasnt criminal i shut my mouth for my elders. after 5 years on midnights (and i stayed on midbights because i didnt beg the commander for days because i have kids or cry to the watch commander because im in school, or screw someone to work the desk i earned my keep) i started applying for units. after begging and i mean litteraly begging to make a unit they put me with a guy no one wanted to work with a salty 50 year old veteran. man best thing to ever happen to me i learned even more and we are still friends. then in year 6 i got promoted why because i cheated? because i was merit? no because i shut up and listened to the blue shirts before me and i learned to turn the tv off and study at home when i put my kids to sleep not in the squad car or the desk when im supposed to be working and get mad when someone disturbs me. anywho the point of my post is alot of new guys and im still new, dont respect the old guys, dont work midnights, and pretty much dont earn anything. They get to units on reverse seniority which is crazy...they get promoted because of their skin color, creed,bloodline, or who they sleep with...thats why this department is in a flux that i dont see getting any better no time soon!
The author of this piece is a copper in a very nice small town. He doesn't work the ghetto.
Anonymous said...
The author of this piece is a copper in a very nice small town. He doesn't work the ghetto.
Yeah. So? And he probably doesn't have to beg someone to lock up a felony arrest, so....
8/07/2018 06:44:00 AM
Where else can you $70,000+ in two years nowhere? That's the problem they don't want to actually be Police Officers.
Financial issues bankruptcy should not be a disqualify if you were laid off unemployed.
The same could be said of a fair number of officers with 10 or 20 years on the job. A lot of them look as if they would drop dead if they had to run a hundred yards.
8/06/2018 09:55:00 PM
I didn’t know 50 year old cops were expected to be Olympic athletes.
Mistuh IFIYGD...
All hail, fella!
Thank you kindly for the compliment and salutation.
We always wondered how absolutely fabulous it would
be if the upright and stalwart regulars on this medium
were to be able to convene in a safe space away from
hateful prying eyes to commiserate and strike a few
solid blows for liberty and what not.
Somewhere, some hand-wringing wet-eyed punk
of a progressive has been triggered by this notion.
(Old Coppers = "Toxic Masculinity" to these deluded children)
Besides... Who's to say that any of us have
never even crossed paths with each other before?
>Grin!<
Just sayin'...
God Bless The Police.
The Best-est...
Funniest...
Sweetest...
Baddest-Asses in God's Earthly Army.
You stay safe as you run out the career clock.
Ya hear?
A goodly salutory & celebratory splash of
Bernheim Original Kentucky Straight
Wheat Whiskey in your general direction
good sir...
...That goes for all you upright, stalwart
regulars out there as well.
Dear Howard the Duck. Spot on in your assessment. However, there are still a few white shirts in 011 that the young guns can learn from. 😃
That article is crap. Sure there are truths to it, things are learned over time with experience. However why is it that people feel the need to hang their hat on seniority while forgettingwhere they came from? Just another blow hard touting his expertise.
The liberal progressives who run America's large
democrat controlled urban centers and the media
have made it their business to light fires and
burn that repository of knowledge to the ground
since they are unable to over-write that knowledge
with their bullshit.
*****SPOT ON*****
I’ve seen ppo’s working the desk in 022, giving inaccurate information to report seekers.
I’ve heard these ppo’s took the job to pay off student loans and then are going to quit.
One ppo stated he will go to gangs or tact, if the city pays him more money! The once
great CPD is doomed ! These ppo’s like writing tickets in Mt Greenwood too!
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