Day One into Day Two
No one landed any significant body shots.
The prosecution showed that they are going to make this all about race. How that plays to a jury that has a lone black woman on it is anyone's guess.
The defense had a few hiccups, but no major errors. They even extracted a major concession from a prosecution witness regarding what we think of as "fish eye" lenses distorting distance and exaggerating movement.
Before the trial opened, the prosecution dropped four of the Murder counts, pretty much validating the common thought that this was overcharged for political reasons, but you'll never hear that from the courtroom or the media.
Protestors were minimal, running from under ten to almost twenty-five at one point.
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On a completely unrelated note, does anyone remember what years and what superintendents L. Flores served as lieutenant and commander? Asking for a friend.
The prosecution showed that they are going to make this all about race. How that plays to a jury that has a lone black woman on it is anyone's guess.
The defense had a few hiccups, but no major errors. They even extracted a major concession from a prosecution witness regarding what we think of as "fish eye" lenses distorting distance and exaggerating movement.
Before the trial opened, the prosecution dropped four of the Murder counts, pretty much validating the common thought that this was overcharged for political reasons, but you'll never hear that from the courtroom or the media.
Protestors were minimal, running from under ten to almost twenty-five at one point.
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On a completely unrelated note, does anyone remember what years and what superintendents L. Flores served as lieutenant and commander? Asking for a friend.
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2007 with cline
L.Flores made Lt in 2007 and promoted to commander shortly after in 2008 by Jody Weis. After that she was made XO of Special Functions by Uncle Garry in 2012.
I hope the jury is insulted and pissed off with the prosecutor making this about race. For him to say that is sad. Terrible to say that’s why JVD shot McDonald. Is the prosecutor a mind reader? The prosecutor made himself look unprofessional. Hope it backfires
RUMOR MILL——- anyone else hear that the city is kicking around the idea of going to a 12 hour day as a permenant schedule?
L. Flores was promoted by Phat Phil Cline.
Another officer who testified Monday, Joseph McElligott, said he had come within 15 feet (4.5 meters) of McDonald, the same distance Van Dyke was when he later shot the teen. He said McDonald had stabbed the tire of the squad car his partner was driving and struck the window with the knife. But he said he didn't think his partner was in danger. He said they were waiting for an officer to arrive with a Taser to use on McDonald.
What does it take to be in danger my god what if Laqaun broke the window and stabbed you?
Flores made Lieutenant sometime in late 2008, early 2009. She went to 011 as LT from R&D as a Sergeant. She was on 1st watch for awhile then I think she went to afternoons or the CAPS office until she went to 014 as a Commander. At the time, Weis was the boss.
Flores was a LT overseeing CAPS out of A/4 in 09/10 I believe. Not sure when she made commander of 014 tho.
They served? Who knew? What years?
Fawk,Not a Cop.
24th starts all time due nixed (besides Pdays), probable 12 hour days and perhaps the cancelling of furloughs. And the dept wonders why coppers have been eating their pistols.
flores was a lt in 011 district years of 2007-2009
02:23 You are a complete asshat with that statement.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
RUMOR MILL——- anyone else hear that the city is kicking around the idea of going to a 12 hour day as a permenant schedule?
*Sure hope not. Hated 12’s when worked in the burbs. Worse schedule ever.
24th starts all time due nixed (besides Pdays)
Includes personal days, they are another form of elective time. You are not guaranteed a pday.
SCC -
Ha Ha Ha Ha
L Flores.
Anonymous said...
Another officer who testified Monday, Joseph McElligott, said he had come within 15 feet (4.5 meters) of McDonald, the same distance Van Dyke was when he later shot the teen. He said McDonald had stabbed the tire of the squad car his partner was driving and struck the window with the knife. But he said he didn't think his partner was in danger. He said they were waiting for an officer to arrive with a Taser to use on McDonald.
What does it take to be in danger my god what if Laqaun broke the window and stabbed you?
9/18/2018 01:18:00 AM
I was thinking the same thing. What kinda partner is that? Would u actually need to get stabbed before he feels you’re in danger? The lunatic stabs the car tires, tries to stab the window and you don’t feel you’re in danger? WOW! What does it take. He didn’t have to say he was going to shoot him, but dam, you are in danger at the point and if you don’t realize that then maybe your should take that bid spot on the desk.
If the police are forced to work regular days off, what's the credible threat that the city is not informing the public of? See something say something? Yet the public is treated like mushrooms.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
24th starts all time due nixed (besides Pdays), probable 12 hour days and perhaps the cancelling of furloughs. And the dept wonders why coppers have been eating their pistols.
9/18/2018 02:23:00 AM
Piss poor excuse!
You’re the police, not a 9-5er.
If you took this job thinking you’d never have to deal with the possibility of working rdo’s and schedule changes, then you’re an idiot!
Blaming suicides on this is totally asinine comment!
Linda got her wack from working in the office for former alderman Joe Kotlarz. The clout never goes away. Nice person but again like many others promoted way over her head.
RUMOR MILL——- anyone else hear that the city is kicking around the idea of going to a 12 hour day as a permenant schedule?
Ahhh, try this one....the City wants to go back to 8hr 6-2. The old way. More manpower on the street. You will actually work 2080hrs in a year. With this schedule you actually work less, I know Daley went nuts when he was told that but he signed off on it anyway.
The prosecutor held the knife daintily like it was a nail file. Actually used 2 fingers. The 9-11 hijackers practically decapitated some of the victims with box cutters. The lock blade knife that LM was armed with was a very sturdy and lethal weapon. I was disgusted at the display out on by this supposed law enfircement official. Nauseated actually.
With the current racial make up of the jury, if the prosecution's strategy is to play the race card it will backfire on them.
It all boils down to reasonable use of force, was it reasonable being in the position that JVD to use the force that he did that night? It's very difficult for a civilian to put themselves in his shoes, and it could be hard for a cop as well who hasn't had to fire a gun while on duty.
No way does first degree murder apply here, there was no premeditation or planning. I could perhaps see a verdict of voluntary or involuntary manslaughter, however if those charges are not an option for the jury then I think he is innocent of murder charges.
The aggravated battery charges could stick, maybe not all 16 counts but a significant number of them.
Best wishes to CPD when this case is decided, stay safe always.
L. Flores was useless in Narcotics. Former A/4 SNIP if I remember correctly.
It was circa 2008 when I had my first encounter with (Ret) Chicago Police 014 District Commander Linda Flores.
I remember I was standing on a crime scene at Jackson/Sacramento and a then lieutenant Linda Flores was just a midnight lieutenant in the 011 district. She was a talkative thing... Full of conversation, she would asked why we only had yellow tape up and not any additional “red” tape etc... SHE even struck up a conversation about some of her police knowledge and experience had come from listening to her boyfriend Judge Vincent Gaughan tell her how crime scenes should look.
I forgot Linda and the judge live together.
Actually a number of charges/counts are dropped in cases prior to the start of trial. Media and run of the mill cases, from dope to murder. However, the charging itself was political and defense started in that direction near the end of opening but quickly backed off. He should've made that the highlight of his opening and put the blame squarely on the city.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/09/17/latest-defense-calls-van-dyke-scared-police-officer.html
How many times did they mention the "White policeman" and the "black teenager"?
Funny how the same media won't mention race when giving a description for an offender who is on the lamb or describing anything when race is important.
I remember seeing this before I became the police and thought it was just me. Now my 20 year career is over and it's just sickening how the media is (now that I am in the know lol).
OT from JVD: I just don't get it. I just don't understand why the media refuses to give out race descriptions when it is imperative. Why doesn't the CPD and all police just omit race from the reports then?
I finished up at 311 due to an injury. I'll never forget one of my last calls. "Hello I wanted to report a theft on Michigan Ave." I replied "Ok, what happened?" Caller said "Two guys walked into our store and ran out with $1,00 worth of clothing." I replied let me give you a report. I asked the usuals and then said "Ok so you said it was two male blacks. Can you tell me their apx height and weight?" The clerk replied "I never said they were black." I said "My mistake (lol) what did you say their race was?" He replied "They were black." I said "I thought you said they weren't black? I'm confused." (lol) He says "They were black but I never said they were black." I said "Wait. They were black but you never said they were black but now you are saying they are black? I don't understand where you are going with this (lol)."
Needless to say it was a liberal store owner who I hung up on, lol. Remember folks BLM.
You mean the LT Flores who didn’t know that juveniles were highlighted in yellow on the arrest que?
What an unmitigated goof ball.
24th starts all time due nixed (besides Pdays), probable 12 hour days and perhaps the cancelling of furloughs. And the dept wonders why coppers have been eating their pistols.
9/18/2018 02:23:00 AM
You are probably the same guy posting this everyday. I, unfortunately, have a very close experience with suicide. The comment shows your ignorance of depression and mental illness. If you think someone is taking their own life because of rumor of RDO cancellation you are wrong. The last Officer to commit suicide worked the 10.5 hour day. Using your argument those 4 day weekends should have been her salvation. Stop making pithy comments about a subject this serious.
I just listened to the defense opening statement. He made some very good points along with the fact that this should not have been tried as murder. Fingers crossed that this will be the reason he is found not guilty.
Stay safe out there.
A concerned citizen.
"On a completely unrelated note, does anyone remember what years and what superintendents L. Flores served as lieutenant and commander? Asking for a friend."
SCC, tell your "friend" that YES...
Yes, the years and superintendents that Clueless Linda worked through/under parallel her romantic involvement with the judge presiding over this trial.
Unrelated, huh? ;-)
Flores made Sgt. and Lt. Off of the list. LAPA was not her clout for Exempt promotions. She cohabs with Judge Gaughan. He’s her juice.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Another officer who testified Monday, Joseph McElligott, said he had come within 15 feet (4.5 meters) of McDonald, the same distance Van Dyke was when he later shot the teen. He said McDonald had stabbed the tire of the squad car his partner was driving and struck the window with the knife. But he said he didn't think his partner was in danger. He said they were waiting for an officer to arrive with a Taser to use on McDonald.
What does it take to be in danger my god what if Laqaun broke the window and stabbed you?
9/18/2018 01:18:00 AM
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If good old Mcdonald was on PCP, a Taser would have about as much effect on him as a 22 on a charging elephant.
I hope the defense has the foresight to hire an expert knowledgeable on the effects of PCP. Think Tony Montana at the end of Scarface and you'll get a watered down version of how someone acts and feels on that crap.
different scenarios can play out in a volatile situation #1 is pull your gun out threaten to use it before the person your talking to actually pulls his gun out and shoots you....don't hesitate nor be afraid to be the police.....or the end maybe near for you fellow......#2 is close the distance between you and the person your talking to and hands on search, recover, secure and handcuff but split second decisions are imminent.....etc....
Off topic:
The department now admits about merit promotions:
He was “promoted off the civil service” list, according to police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi. That means his scores on a promotions test got him his current, $124,000-a-year post and that he wasn’t clouted into the job through a “merit promotion” that supervisors can hand out regardless of their scores.
Regarding 12 hour shifts:
Not CPD, but when our west coast agency went to 12 hour days for one its low security facilities (back in the day when you went to jail for a year for not paying your child support - you did two week in the main jail to get a taste of jail (most didn't like it) a month at min security out in the country and then off to work furlough were you worked in the day (and paid your child support and room and board).) . We couldn't get people to out in this facility, so we sent to 12s. Two hours of OT built is to the schedule each week. The Camp became the most sought after assignment.
In the 1980s we expanded it to the entire officer (Detectives worked ten hour days - no one would volunteer, despite the 7% and the car, to be a detective so they put them n 10s.)
The office was organized into four teams. The way it works is each team works FRI-SAT-SUN of one week and then has FRI-SAT-SUN off the next. The built in OT is nice.
Before most other agencies went to 12s, we had great cops with tens years on quitting their department to come work for us.
So if you can get it, you should. Gives you a normal life. Home every day - two on, two off, three on, two off, two on, three off. In some ways the 12 hour shift is almost as good as the Fire Departments schedule.
0600-1800 are the normal shits.
I read this BLOG only to vicariously experience how bad the democrats can screw up a city. You folks have the hardest police job in the country.
Good luck to you, and if you can get 12s believe me your home life will improve. Maybe it will help address the mental health issue that SCC talks about.
Any clue if any exempts will be on the stand at any time ?
Liberals and leftists— by today 2018, Laquan would had been shot up by a civilian, in jail, or homeless living a the society that democrats created
24th starts all time due nixed (besides Pdays), probable 12 hour days and perhaps the cancelling of furloughs. And the dept wonders why coppers have been eating their pistols.
9/18/2018 02:23:00 AM
Dumb.
Really dumb.
Presumed SCC purpose in posting:
1. Show mercy and give the dummy the thrill of being posted.
2. Provide opportunity to replies obviously pointing out absurdity of premise leading to tag line.
3. Present sufficient mockings for any dumb enough to actually take seriously the absurd connecting of the original poster's cause to effect stupidity.
4. This one slipped through the crack.
5. ???????
24th starts all time due nixed (besides Pdays), probable 12 hour days and perhaps the cancelling of furloughs. And the dept wonders why coppers have been eating their pistols.
Confirmed that P-Days are safe? Put them in a while ago for late October. Hopefully doesn’t go nearly that long.
Anonymous said...
RUMOR MILL——- anyone else hear that the city is kicking around the idea of going to a 12 hour day as a permenant schedule?
9/18/2018 01:04:00 AM
Don your tinfoil hat for a second and ponder this. Perhaps the city is doing this because they are aware of Trumps impending takedown of the deep state, with military tribunals to follow. The black hats will then attempt a false flag to throw things into chaos.
Anonymous said...
RUMOR MILL——- anyone else hear that the city is kicking around the idea of going to a 12 hour day as a permenant schedule?
9/18/2018 01:04:00 AM
No but that’ would be AWESOME! Most of the suburbs do it and they love it. The key to being happy in this job is time off. With the 12hr day you are off a lot.
No comments on the 16MILLION PAYOUT. I am suprized. Biggest yet to given. Pays well to get shot by police in Chicago. Just be the right color and in an election year. Talk about buying votes.
The accelerate is spread matches in waiting. Hope the CFD is ready as well.
Short of tanks on Magazine Mile nothing will stop the looting especially the CPD , as they will be ordered to stand down.
Better practice the burn baby burn chant as you all will need it soon.
anyone else hear that the city is kicking around the idea of going to a 12 hour day as a permenant schedule?
9/18/2018 01:04:00 AM
If they did most officers would benefit. I'm on 12 hour shifts and love it. I'm off every other weekend.
But I'm sure cpd will mess it up
On a completely unrelated note, does anyone remember what years and what superintendents L. Flores served as lieutenant and commander? Asking for a friend.
Not sure on LT, but she was one dumb ass Sergeant in the late 90's in 013.
I wish the department would tell us if the 12 hr days are happening, so we can play ahead. Like myself, I am sure most of you have had plans and prior enganents booked on your RDO’s and comp. time in placed. I guess family means nothing to this department.
See the picture of JVD on the front page of the Trib's website?
JVD has his headed cocked at 10 o'clock but his eyes are at 12 o'clock. Yeah, JVD did it himself and nobody told him to do that. Still, the Trib deliberately chose that photo because it makes him look shifty.
Just another example of how the MSM follows the 0bama narrative to skew the results.
Isn't Flores or some other goofy exempt married to Gaughn?
The folks already aren't happy with the makeup of the jury. You can bet more than 25 protesters will be making noise, and the plethora of 'activists' will be stirring the pot. This should have been moved as far away from Chicago as possible. Bet you the jury is very concerned about being identified and then vilified depending on the verdict. You know the media will name them.
24th starts all time due nixed (besides Pdays), probable 12 hour days and perhaps the cancelling of furloughs. And the dept wonders why coppers have been eating their pistols.
9/18/2018 02:23:00 AM
Way to use the suicides of people with real problems to justify you crying about a RDO getting cancelled. No, they didn’t kill themselves because a few RDOs may have been getting cancelled in October.
Many departments have twelve hour shifts , they are great , every other weekend off . Also time and a half during week when more than 40 hours is worked . It's a win , win for everyone .
Don’t expect to spend your time in your district or unit, THE priority will be saving the Mag Mile. The 200 + Dets and Sgts classes and normally untouchable units will be sent downtown. Expect bridges raised and hardened barricades, the Mich Ave merchants are Rahms priority not our safety.
Absolutely the worse defense attorney I've ever seen!..
When cross on the officer about stabbing the windshield or squad tires..the question should be what was his intent...were they in fear of their lives...how about this simple question asked ..officer throughout your career ..how many citizens have attacked your veficke with a deadly weapon. This defense attorney again should have done simple homework and kept repeating ..so he attacked your squad car ..so in affect he would have attacked you or anyone else ...just can't believe this attorney is that bad!
To the chick with the plate "i shot 1", you are an idiot. Not only for the advertisement, you also drive like a moron.
Liberal Chicago deserves the mayhem coming. Elect the prickwinkle. I don't give a shit anymore, due to the merit fucks currently running the zoo.
Racist ? How many black officers shot a fleeing felon , man with a knife , cell phone or other item that could be considered a dangerous weapon .
Training shows a person with a knife within 20 ft. can kill you , also this kid was high as a kite . Where was his Family before , so sad . Could it have been a suicide by cop , he put one person in fear of receiving death or great bodily harm .
"Protesters were minimal, running from under ten to almost twenty-five at one point."
Or in TribuneSpeak, "thousands of protesters."
OT: NOT FAKE NEWS-JUST ANNOUNCED.
The egotistical little prick 9.5 is writing a book to be released in the spring of 2020. Mark your calendars! Fuck you 9.5! Hopefully, you'll sell less than 10 printed and electronic copies.
You mean the same Linda Flores that has been in a long-term relationship with the judge presiding over the case, the same Linda Flores that is beholden to her sponsors in the machine that got her the command position, the same machine that created to the stir about this case that ultimately led to the charging of Van Dyke. Nothing to see here, move along......
What charges are still pending?
RUMOR MILL——- anyone else hear that the city is kicking around the idea of going to a 12 hour day as a permenant schedule?
-- They were talking about that back even before the NATO summit was here. They wanted to try it but problem was they do not have enough cars/equipment. The radio batteries barely last 7 hrs most of the time.
12 hr never will happen. Go work suburbs easier pace
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Another officer who testified Monday, Joseph McElligott, said he had come within 15 feet (4.5 meters) of McDonald, the same distance Van Dyke was when he later shot the teen. He said McDonald had stabbed the tire of the squad car his partner was driving and struck the window with the knife. But he said he didn't think his partner was in danger. He said they were waiting for an officer to arrive with a Taser to use on McDonald.
What does it take to be in danger my god what if Laqaun broke the window and stabbed you?
Also stated he didn’t feel threatened and that his partner was protected”
Anonymous Anonymous said...
24th starts all time due nixed (besides Pdays), probable 12 hour days and perhaps the cancelling of furloughs. And the dept wonders why coppers have been eating their pistols.
9/18/2018 02:23:00 AM
I would hope it takes more than that to cause an officer to eat the pistol.
Things are different now because as I remember during NATO , 12 hour days and days off cancelled and no one ate the pistol
Old boy should have taken the bench
Flores served under Hillard and Weiss ,this I know for sure and maybe McCarthy
This female reporter for CLTV has found JVD guilty already. Throwing her personal opinion of what she feels transpired several times. What happened to unbiased reporting?
Can someone tell Greg Bella to stop smiling and laughing in court. Every time he does they zoom in on his face with a big smile. Makes it look like it’s not being taken seriously. If you can’t sit still, step out of the courtroom.
This CLTV host Monica Schneider is a biased piece of shit. She’s been fanning the flames all day with ignorant gems like “ why didn’t he shoot him in the leg” and “van dyke continued to fire his automatic weapon” How do you look at yourself in the mirror as a so-called journalist, not to mention having to gaze upon your crooked ass teeth.
Whole case is garbage. IL use of force statutes allow deadly force in this incident. He tried to stab a victim with a deadly weapon and then used it against officers in their squad. He then tried to escape while still armed with the deadly weapon. All of the above allows an officer to shoot and kill him legally.
That female tv reporter on cltv is extremely biased in her reporting of the trial. She keeps asking how they can defend this case after seeing the video.
Who gives a damn about what Flores did and when. There isa policeman on trial thats getting politically screwed.
RUMOR MILL——- anyone else hear that the city is kicking around the idea of going to a 12 hour day as a permenant schedule?
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Whatever or whom ever you thought you heard this from...
Fake Rumor, Why do you think they have cut back on VRI? $$$
The only place you'll find 12 hour days are the military and Management positions that are paid salary usually in Retail businesses
Sure hope not. Hated 12’s when worked in the burbs. Worse schedule ever.
In the burbs now on 12s and love it. Way more time off. The 8.5 scheduled blew.
This FBI video 'expert' is an absolute fool, saying everything he can to make JVD look bad.
Get the fuck back to Quantico with the other good ole boys dickhead.
day 2: Class act there officer morgue et. I did not think televising this trial was a good idea but as is said every cloud has a silver lining and you sir proved your worth by asking for mileage! You made a total ass of yourself in front of the cameras. Your no better than the dry eyed mama screaming about justice for her honor role baby. Sickening
So the judge lives with a police officer?? Mistrial???????????
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Another officer who testified Monday, Joseph McElligott, said he had come within 15 feet (4.5 meters) of McDonald, the same distance Van Dyke was when he later shot the teen. He said McDonald had stabbed the tire of the squad car his partner was driving and struck the window with the knife. But he said he didn't think his partner was in danger. He said they were waiting for an officer to arrive with a Taser to use on McDonald.
What does it take to be in danger my god what if Laqaun broke the window and stabbed you?
9/18/2018 01:18:00 AM
I was thinking the same thing. What kinda partner is that? Would u actually need to get stabbed before he feels you’re in danger? The lunatic stabs the car tires, tries to stab the window and you don’t feel you’re in danger? WOW! What does it take. He didn’t have to say he was going to shoot him, but dam, you are in danger at the point and if you don’t realize that then maybe your should take that bid spot on the desk.
9/18/2018 05:44:00 AM
Worked with this goof in 007, not the brightest of the bunch and always telling war stories to the new PPO'S. That being said, totally agree with above comments. In the state of mind that "future DOCTOR" was in that night stabbing or slashing tires, then he took a shot at the window of the squad car "in his state of mind" the window was open and tried to murder a fellow LEO. As far as I'm concerned, that is justified force to liquidate said scholar. Case closed.
"RUMOR MILL——- anyone else hear that the city is kicking around the idea of going to a 12 hour day as a permenant schedule?"
I'll be beleevin thaht when me shyte turns purple and tastes like rainbow sherbet.
The aggravated battery charges could stick, maybe not all 16 counts but a significant number of them.
Best wishes to CPD when this case is decided, stay safe always.
9/18/2018 07:06:00 AM
So, ag batt to a corpse?
Interesting concept.
Anonymous said...
24th starts all time due nixed (besides Pdays), probable 12 hour days and perhaps the cancelling of furloughs. And the dept wonders why coppers have been eating their pistols.
9/18/2018 02:23:00 AM
Dumb.
Really dumb.
Presumed SCC purpose in posting:
1. Show mercy and give the dummy the thrill of being posted.
2. Provide opportunity to replies obviously pointing out absurdity of premise leading to tag line.
3. Present sufficient mockings for any dumb enough to actually take seriously the absurd connecting of the original poster's cause to effect stupidity.
4. This one slipped through the crack.
5. ???????
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Ooooooh!!!! We'll guess #3!
Just a taste of what we deal with day in and day out.
Did we win?
Linda Flores was out to get coppers when commander of 014 and dumb as a box of rocks.
Please, keep vigilant. Many threats confirmed.
Rioting will transpire regardless of outcome. Been stated numerous times via media, 32.
Prayers...
Flores made Commander in 2012 . Garry Mc Carghy was the Superintendent
Anonymous Anonymous said...
On a completely unrelated note, does anyone remember what years and what superintendents L. Flores served as lieutenant and commander? Asking for a friend.
Not sure on LT, but she was one dumb ass Sergeant in the late 90's in 013.
9/18/2018 10:23:00 AM
She didn’t get any smarter in 011 as a Lt
Several years back me and my partner saved a 300 pound F/1 from becoming a permanent addition to Davey Jones locker in 35' of water a mile and a half out on Lake Michigan. The amazing feat of saving this whale of a woman was witnessed by a boatload of passengers on the Seadog and 2 other vessels who didn't know what to do in 4' to 6' waves. Unknown to us, we were put in for a lifesaving award which was kicked back by Flores. The irony is everytime you see all the whiteshirts in their dress uniforms , they love parading around with all the medals on their uniforms like Russian generals. Most probably unearned or received on someone elses coat tails. Signed, disgusted and can't wait to leave this shitshow of a dept !
The prosecutor is tagging Jason Van Dyke as a racist and saying that is why he shot him. Wish I could have had a chance to sit on that jury. What a disgrace.
I hope they bring up and show the training bulletin that detailed about a gun disguised as a knife better yet hopefully they find one of those weapons to show the jury.
Even the liberal Roe Conn on 720 AM acknowledged that Joe Walsh testimony helped the defense. The ultra left liberal Anna Devlantes couldn't handle it and wanted to see more "body cams". Even though body cams arrived years later.
Includes personal days, they are another form of elective time. You are not guaranteed a pday.
If the Cubs make a serious run alongside this trial you will see some serious burnout. Check the money box be safe.
A few years ago I attended a presentation of an officer (another state) who told his story of having had a line of duty shooting.
What he said stood out.
He said he couldn't visibly tell that shots had made contact with the person's body, or that he had killed the guy (still moving). I can't recall the number of bullets, maybe he said 5-10 did and that he didn't know until official reports came out.
In the movies we see the blood and gore of a gun shot wound but that's not the reality from the account of this officer's story. I feel like this would not be common knowledge to the general public. Maybe the jury needs to see the movie version and the reality to desensitize the number 16.
If one is trained to eliminate the threat, and perceives a threat, AND it's not so visibly apparent that a shot has hit or deterred a human body, I can see how reaching the number 16 is feasible. Perception is subjective.
Poster at 0245 has it right. JVD’s attorney better make this his argument. Plus Laquan was a felon making his escape while armed with a deadly weapon which allows use of deadly force by the same statute. I believe it was a mistake to go with a jury. White guilt is going to result in a conviction that shouldn’t be. Hope I’m wrong.
Whole case is garbage. IL use of force statutes allow deadly force in this incident. He tried to stab a victim with a deadly weapon and then used it against officers in their squad. He then tried to escape while still armed with the deadly weapon. All of the above allows an officer to shoot and kill him
Not sure the years L Flores worked within different units in the Dept but when she worked at the Academy as a Sgt she would tell anyone who would listen how smart she was and how she “wrote 90% of the General Orders when she was at R&D. She knew Everything according to her. And of course not ashamed to let everybody be know Vince was her bf.
Just a number of phone calls to WGN about their CLTV host Monica Schneider should work. WGN usually is good at "reporting" the news. This Schneider is going to cost WGN a lot of viewership and put hem in the same category as CNN and MSNBC. THAT won't do well for their revenue department.
The prosecution doesn't have a case for murder. This is a spider web produced by local government and politians. This isn't O.J. in '96 where everything is about race. This is absurd!
Linda got her wack from working in the office for former alderman Joe Kotlarz. The clout never goes away. Nice person but again like many others promoted way over her head.
9/18/2018 06:28:00 AM]
Nice person your ass. You should have tried working for the miserable lunatic and then get back to us.
As a retired sergeant and firearms instructor I would like to make a point.
We taught officers to fire until the threat is stopped. No specific number of rounds, just until the threat is stopped.
What may have been a justifiable use of deadly force, gets muddled by the number of rounds fired. If the guy is on the ground with a gun...and still poses a threat, it’s not a problem.
A person armed with a knife down on the ground poses the question, is he still a threat?
I don’t like second guessing any officer. I don’t know what this officer heard over the radio enroute to the call or what he perceived.
If anyone disagrees with me take note of any news report about this shooting and find me even one that does not contain the word sixteen.
The media already found him guilty. CLTV is not worth watching with that broad spewing her hate for Jason Van Dyke this morning. Hope one juror can see the facts and he is fou2 not guilty but this hellhole will go wild either way. God bless all.
It's a win win deal! Is he guilty? Let's riot! Is he innocent? Let's riot! Yup, the burning, looting, wilding and general mayhem is going to be a blast. Welcome back my friends, to the show that never ends (ELP).
Linda, has been dating Judge G for years. Her brother is or was a CPS principle. I have seen the request of a signature to go to court on a yellow OT slip cause her to be overwhelmed, not an exaggeration. She was on scene for a unruly prisoner and stuck her nose too close to the vehicle window where he was sitting. He kicked the window out with some of the glass hitting her face, no real injury. She insisted on felony charges. Judgey got involved and bail was set for $500K to the best of my knowledge. I don't know if she was merit or not, but I honestly think she couldn't handle the stress of sitting for a long promotional exam unless she knew the answers.
Go to the website “wildabouttrial.com they are tapped into the live feed with NO commentary. When the camera is on you see it. When it’s off it’s off. If you do maximize the screen so you don’t have to watch the chat room conversation. It’s not too too anti police but some hate slips in there. Www.wildabouttrial.com
Joe Walsh is a great policeman, I feel for him as this has ruined his life . He was always professional and knew this stupid job inside and out . Hang in there Joe .
846am..the taser vs. PCP argument means nothing. He didn't know McDonald had PCP in his system...and having it in his system is not the same as being high on it right then. I shouldn't need to say that if you're a cop.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
RUMOR MILL——- anyone else hear that the city is kicking around the idea of going to a 12 hour day as a permenant schedule?
Ahhh, try this one....the City wants to go back to 8hr 6-2. The old way. More manpower on the street. You will actually work 2080hrs in a year. With this schedule you actually work less, I know Daley went nuts when he was told that but he signed off on it anyway.
9/18/2018 06:30:00 AM
Nice try. 2080 hours IS a full year.
40 hrs a week times 52 weeks in a year = 2080.
So the city wants us to work every day all year without a day off?
Sounds like a whole lot of OT!! $$$0
Concerned citizen, there are plenty concerned cops that hope for the opposite end result as you. Fingers crossed.
Wonder what the news would write if the officers let 'Wasted Potential' Laquan barge into that DunkinDonuts swinging a knife around? Funny how they forget that boxcutters took down a plane.
9/18 10:00am...excactly. The timing of the trial is gonna be close to the takedown, but I think it won't be until after the midterms when the dems fail to re-take the house. Martial Law likely bc the libtards are violent and stupid.
The state doing good job, Dan flustered
Absolutely the worse defense attorney I've ever seen!..
When cross on the officer about stabbing the windshield or squad tires..the question should be what was his intent...were they in fear of their lives...how about this simple question asked ..officer throughout your career ..how many citizens have attacked your veficke with a deadly weapon. This defense attorney again should have done simple homework and kept repeating ..so he attacked your squad car ..so in affect he would have attacked you or anyone else ...just can't believe this attorney is that bad!
Defense asked that exact question..judge shut it down.
joe walsh stuck to his story and may have saved van dyke
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I wish the department would tell us if the 12 hr days are happening, so we can play ahead. Like myself, I am sure most of you have had plans and prior enganents booked on your RDO’s and comp. time in placed. I guess family means nothing to this department.
9/18/2018 10:25:00 AM
Yeah, it sucks. But you have chosen a profession in which your length and amount of work is determined by criminals and current events, neither of which you have control over.
Yeah, go ahead and try to cancel my furlough. Not going to happen. I'll be off for the next year with various ailments.
OT
More swat folllies. Ass clown swat sgt was involved in a road rage incident in Lake County. Or should I say “roiad rage?” Didn’t know he was so special that he could drive his take home car to Lake County. Yep, that right. Driving a take come home Dept Vehicle and involved in a serious altercation. Then he tried to punk the responding units. IAD investigating which means nothing, since they are to scarced to touch this guy. Goofball was bragging on how he went down to IAD and demanded answers on CR#.
It’s only a matter of time before he gets someone killed on swat, or a civilian. Totally PSYCHO!!
This CLTV host Monica Schneider is a biased piece of shit. She’s been fanning the flames all day with ignorant gems like “ why didn’t he shoot him in the leg” and “van dyke continued to fire his automatic weapon” How do you look at yourself in the mirror as a so-called journalist, not to mention having to gaze upon your crooked ass teeth.
Well my friend she does it very easily because she is a leftist, which 90 percent of democrats are now, and to her the ends justify the means. The leftist can justify ANY behavior in this manner because they are fighting some just cause like nazism or racism and therefore any of their fasicst behaviors l, no matter how disgusting they are, will be justified. It will destroy this country. This country would be brioght to its knees within 10 years of having a 5 to 4 liberal supreme court. Ignorance kills and will be the downfall of this country.
I am not sure there has ever been a class like 85-4A and 4B, they had more promotions than ever, ever, ever. It was a very small group, maybe 70, had more Commanders, Captains, Sgts. Flores was in that group. Amazing little class. Hell of a group, still a few commanders left. Check it out!
SCC, I think this poster hit all five. He/she should be proud. It may have been their greatest accomplishment ever. I think your wonderful take you published is the real winner. And fucking funny too!
Ooooooh!!!! We'll guess #3!
Just a taste of what we deal with day in and day out.
Did we win?
9/18/2018 04:03:00 PM
Being your lovely self, restraining from asking WHAT did you win, aka, HOW MUCH, = You are always the winner. In all ways.
Now, slap me, Daddy...... I need the attention......
They showed an enhanced video today. It's much clearer that McDonald swings the knife wildly at one point as he's moving. And it appeared that he turned his head and torso toward Van Dyke just before the shots were fired. That in combination of the "stare with the focus beyond". I believe it was totally justified. As far as the following shots, the expert witness psychologist can explain that, but anyone who's been in a shit-your-pants shooting, gets it!
Anonymous said...
To the chick with the plate "i shot 1", you are an idiot. Not only for the advertisement, you also drive like a moron.
9/18/2018 11:38:00 AM
Likely a golfer. Which doesn't preclude driving like a moron.
Blogger Manny Godinez said...
Absolutely the worse defense attorney I've ever seen!..
When cross on the officer about stabbing the windshield or squad tires..the question should be what was his intent...were they in fear of their lives...how about this simple question asked ..officer throughout your career ..how many citizens have attacked your veficke with a deadly weapon. This defense attorney again should have done simple homework and kept repeating ..so he attacked your squad car ..so in affect he would have attacked you or anyone else ...just can't believe this attorney is that bad!
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That's not right! That question would have been objected and sustained. They would never allow an officer to speculate about the intent of a dead subject prior to the main force incident.
And asking the magic words, "were you in fear of your life" is a trap! If they say no, (which they would have to) it strengthens the prosecution's case, if they say yes, then it opens another series of why didn't you act questions, which could cleverly help the prosecution.
I'm glad the defense didn't go down that rabbit hole.
Linda Flores ... commander 014. She would send all third watch cars + anyone else to division street during dismissal of Clemente high school. The children would become “ quite enthusiastic “ leaving school...kinda like inmates granted early parole. Hmmmm. Maybe because the alderman s office was right there? You say Clemente is in 012/013? Yes, but the office is in 014.
Anonymous said...
That female tv reporter on cltv is extremely biased in her reporting of the trial. She keeps asking how they can defend this case after seeing the video.
Your absolutely right! Monica Schneider was such a fuckin bitch while covering the trial yesterday! How ignorant can someone like her be? All she kept saying was 16 shots..16 shots every two minutes..she cant understand how this isn't a slam dunk for the prosecution. Then she makes a stupid ass comment saying that an article stated that JVD made a comment saying that even a knife could be made into something that could shoot bullets according to a police intelligence bulletin. DUH, nowadays there are SO MANY different ways that criminals can reconstruct a weapon. Schneider makes a comment "well ive never seen one" Soo..i guess if this bitch has never seen one I guess it DOESNT exist....what a bitch! Stick to covering the facts and whats said in court NOT YOUR FUCKIN PERONAL OPINION. Where the fuck did CLTV find this looser? OMG talk about a liberal, closed minded idiot. Be glad shes not on the jury..obviously this ignorant bitch made up her mind without even hearing all the facts...this is a perfect example of why this should have been taken out of crooked county.
Nice try. 2080 hours IS a full year.
40 hrs a week times 52 weeks in a year = 2080.
So the city wants us to work every day all year without a day off?
Sounds like a whole lot of OT!! $$$0
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Oh....wow... You don’t have to be a mathematician to be on this job, but I think your numbers are a bit off.
If you really think there are only 40 hours in a week, and not a WORK week, you’ve got some serious problems.
That's not right! That question would have been objected and sustained. They would never allow an officer to speculate about the intent of a dead subject prior to the main force incident.
And asking the magic words, "were you in fear of your life" is a trap! If they say no, (which they would have to) it strengthens the prosecution's case, if they say yes, then it opens another series of why didn't you act questions, which could cleverly help the prosecution.
I'm glad the defense didn't go down that rabbit hole.
9/19/2018 12:01:00 AM
The officer is allowed to provide his opinion based on what he was confronted with and his law enforcement experience. This occurs every day in court so Im not sure where you got your information.
My two cents from my experience: Linda Flores was as smart as most of the bosses back in the day, and a great deal better than most of what is out there today. Again, just my experience.
If the prosecution is making the case that this shoooting was all about race can't the defense argue that JVD has made x amt of arrests of male blacks with weapons (guns/knives) and didn't shoot those offenders? Why not? Because they followed direction/orders.
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