"Removing"
- Two local legal scholars who examined thousands of police misconduct allegations have determined that taking those complaints more seriously “could substantially reduce the most serious incidents of police misconduct.” Northwestern University law professor Max Schanzenbach and Kyle Rozema of the University of Chicago examined 50,000 misconduct complaints lodged against members of the CPD between 2002 and 2014.
They found that “citizen allegations are a valid predictor of serious misconduct” by police officers.
In a soon-to-be-published paper, the two write that, when it comes to racking up misconduct complaints, an officer’s assigned district does not matter. Schanzenbach and Rozema found that officers who were the subject of misconduct complaints in more violent areas of Chicago were just as likely to be the subject of complaints in safer parts of the city.
The solution?
- The two concluded that “removing the worst 1 percent” of Chicago Police officers — about 120 people — and replacing them with “an average officer” would have saved Chicago taxpayers more than $6 million in payouts between 2009 and 2014.
Interesting wording - "removing."
How about "removing" the clouted who get away with misconduct, again and again and again and again?
Keep an eye on this report.
How about "removing" the clouted who get away with misconduct, again and again and again and again?
Keep an eye on this report.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
83 Comments:
Removing 120 cops may cost even more in legal costs in battling those cops fighting removal
Be interesting to see how many since made "merits" on this list and their rankings on these guys list. Now that is a potential scandal.
The cops should report the clouted who do dirt. Period.
Removing? How about acknowledging and addressing patterns of allegations with training,mentoring and ,if intractable, progressive discipline. Programs have been in place for years (decades?) How about addressing inadequacies in the academy and using the probationary period to weed out people who shouldn’t have been hired?
So 120 officers “removed” would have saved the city $6 million.
How much would have been saved in the same period by removing 1% of the middlemen the city require in order to do business.
You know, the required “minority” contractors that double and triple the cost of city business in order to guarantee
the alderscum, mayor, and other elected city officials get their kick backs?
Don’t these professors have any real work to do ? May e they should do a breakdown of gang members and see how many of them we need to REMOVE to stop the killings that are devastating the city in all kinds of neighborhoods. You see professor, it doesnt matter what neigborhood the bangers are from. They can pretty much kill anywhere,and they do. Come up with a report on who is creating the violence and maybe I can respect that. Nt a miniscule nmber of polic who are NOT causing the killings. Morons.
What will be interesting to find out is who gave these two ivory tower professors access to 50,000 files? Is there not something about privacy of personnel files to talk about? Yes, i agree that the system has been broken for some time for those who have influence have escaped any sort of punishment while those who have no clout get it in the neck every time. The PC crowd wants to take away all safeguards so they can suspend or fire with ease.
Better idea---Don't pay off on the nuisance suits. Jody proved that it works.
Once again Lots of college but no real knowledge Go push a beat car around in a busy district for a couple years and come back when you know what you are talking about. Until then beat it with your bias bullshit guess work They want to get rid of all the real police.
120 POs cost $6 million.
Over 5 years.
6m divided by 120 = $50,000
$50K divided by 5 years = $10K a year.
10K divided by 12 = $833 a month.
While any payout is too much, we waste
more than 10K a WEEK on hundreds of things,
like paper, for all the copies of reports nobody
reads.
Oh, how much did this report cost?
So, judged by two FUCKING academics.
MF'er where is your FUCKING JD?
Ever been a Judge before.
NO. The two fucking assholes will use their $$$ proceeds
to buy new teaching wardrobes from Sears and J.C. Penney.
Who elected these assholes as God? What are your credentials?
I say you two tighty whitey mates were custom picked based on
your past papers. Why not go to a professional consultancy
agency OUTSIDE of the fucking Tri-State-ClusterFuck?
You only get what you pay for. In any case, these academic
Fuckheads came dirt cheap. Yea assholes, cheaper than dirt.
"The two scholars argue that 90 percent of Chicago police officers
who are subject to no complaints “or just a few allegations” don’t
need “a targeted intervention.”
Ok motherfuckers...
"The two scholars argue that 90 percent of Chicago area university
professors who are subject to no complaints "or just a few allegations"
of sexual misconduct with their students don't need "a targeted intervention."
Yeah... Remove the worst one percent of elected officials, corporate CEOs,
mainstream media editorial board members, teachers, lawyers, union officials, store clerks and the rest of everybody else and put the next 10% under watchful targeted intervention.
This article by the Scum-Times is a contradiction riddled
bunch of flaming Alinskyite donkey dung from more Anti-Police
lunatics who find it easier and safer to beat on The Police
than actually take on the hyper-violent lovers of death
who are very busily setting this city on fire.
"Well... At least we know you Cops aren't going to do like the
"urbanites" do and dox us, find where we live and crash flaming
cars through our front doors at 3am and shoot us down as we try
to flee out our back doors to escape the flames.
We take it hard to you Cops because you at least have rules
to abide by and we don't have to worry about you guys hitting
US back."
It's Northwestern, they have zero credibility when it comes to police stuff
Wait. We're talking money and manpower here.
Why not go to a real financial consultancy agency/firm.
Go to Wall Street: Goldman Sachs, Deloitte, BlackRock.
Fuck those two sardines in their past sell by date tin coffins.
That "paper" was published with the help of one
well known psychoactive farmer, the notorious Jimmy Weed.
Never gonna happen SCC.
Does anyone here respect a Northwestern Law Professor? Not me.
The paper was authored by two tenured Socialists.
"I think I'll get the papers. Get the papers."
-----Jimmy Two Times
The worst 1% probably account for most of the arrests.
Good luck with that.
Ah yes, the usual suspects are advising us how to fix society.
Clouted, multiple complaint generating, isn’t it one and the same? The shlubs without rabbis get kicked to the curb when the shit hits the fan - or at least end up in alternate response or the academy.
Meanwhile there is a PPO who failed SIX cycles and is being CYCLED again in 14 is STILL on the job.
Lets not forget the "bullshit" complaints (CR's) that these assholes put against us! A good chunk of these complaints are unfounded. Back in the days the idiots that made complaints could say anything, now they must sign an affidavit to that complaint which now holds them liable. This affidavit certainly cut back some of the false allegations.
Schnoz and Enema love those names. Kind of hard to take anything seriously that comes from Northwestern.
Hardly rocket science.
Think tank = Septic bucket
These are the same minds which blamed gravity for their ouchy, and not their own, clumsy spastic footwork.
Waaaaaaaaay too much food to eat, not nearly enough reality of Mother Nature, the bitch that makes every body an offer they cannot refuse.
These morons are worried about 6 million dollars of lawsuits? What about the hundreds of millions of dollars spent on medical and rehab for a populace hell bent on killing and hurting each other? These pseudo intellectuals have neutered the police. A states attorney who refuses to punish, and politicians who wont hold their constituents responsible. All in the name of a social experiment.
It’s actually good science. Read the paper before you comment. However, I think they underestimated the effect of the small minority of coppers who generate the most CRs.
And the data were anonymized, so relax - your secret is safe.
Since LBJ began the great war on poverty over 50 years ago it seems the geniuses that live in social isolation, surrounded by teenagers, and telling us all how to live our lives have accomplished only one thing. Instead of bringing the the quality of life for the poor up to mean of the working class, they have normalized ghetto values across all segments of society. I find it hard to believe that they didn’t already have the recommendations of their research project before they even looked at the data.
More garbage from the Northwestern social justice lab. This crap comes from them every few years or so. These are the idiots who in the 60's decided if you remove abusive fathers from the home you will reduce social violence in the neighborhoods of the inner cities. Idiots. They never learn but peddle their trash through the Medillo School of Journalism graduates. They are working at CBS and ABC and NBC and they dispense it to the fools who watch the garbage from the Sociology school. That folks is called progressive. It is my opinion and maybe yours too Chicago is actually regressing. And it because of these so called progressive leaders and ideas.
Getting rid of connected lawyers who litigate everything with their friendly judges and Corporate counsels for future jobs and golf games would be a good start.
I have been retired from cpd for several years.
But my last unit was IAD and the records section in IAD clearly had a pattern list of CR numbers.
This list showed a consistent list of CPD members along with CR findings.
The best part was the findings of the CR investigation along with opinions of Command staff who reviewed the investigation.
Yes it was up to IAD Chief or Deputy to push case or drop case.
There is proof of this since it was a FOIA request. And plenty of people had to answer questions by Illinois AG.
But keep on signing off on that Ethics report every year. So glad my confidentiality agreement has lapsed
Easy as pie to fix , stop PAYING OUT. Take it to trial
Every time I read some nonsense like this I think once again how fortunate I am to be retired after 36 years.
Flawed study!
they would need every award of each of the officers
they would need every incident that has the officer as the primary person handling the case (arrest/case report/ISR)
It would be equivalent to rounding up every officer who is divorced and saying that the are verbal abusers.
These two “professors “ do realize that people lie, right?!
It would be funny to see what percentage of those "removed" were clouted merit hacks.
(OT) more bizarre Illinois news:
DuPage jail inmate awaiting kidnapping trial to be married today in county courthouse
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-dupage-jail-inmate-courthouse-wedding-20180910-story.html
Just another insane judge taking care of a felon in jail surprise this is happening in DuPage County this is more of a cook county type of event with our Judges is here!
This is how the LAPD releases video of an officer involved shooting. Imagine if CPD professionally took control of the narrative rather than letting the media run amok with race baiting nonsense?
https://www.dailywire.com/news/35698/police-video-shows-officer-shot-point-blank-during-paul-bois
What the hell is "an average officer"?
Here's the solution fight the stupid beefs and make the beefer sign the affidavit and prosecute THEM if they lie.
So they advocate removing the top 1%. No matter how many are removed, there will always be a top 1%, with their complaints becoming lass and less numerous. And there is no way of identifying who will end up in the top 10% until they become one of the top 10%. They also don't say how the complaints are weighted for length of time on the job. You can't compare number of complaints between people with 5 years on the job and 20 years on the job. Also, comparing the number of complaints against somebody working outside against somebody working in an administrative position skews the results.
Why do these liberal dumb as shit college professors have all of the answers?
Just cause you earned a bullshit PhD doesn't make you an expert in police work.
How about we remove liberal college professors for a change?
Sounds like having been the 'REAL POLICE" might come to bite some in the ass now. The social justice warriors will want your head on the stick and don't count on the FOP too much for help.
OT:
The other day FOP rep came to roll call to inform us the City is reopening closed CR's/cases on officers. City plans to bankrupt the FOP. Per representation FOP spends upwards of $250/hr per lawyer. So my advice to the unlucky 120: Find a decent lawyer just in case.
Why not both? I've always said that if your shenanigans cost taxpayers above a certain dollar amount, you need to go. And merit hires need to go as well. Both are cancers to the department.
I have a better plan...better screening of recruits....everyone had that guy/gal or two in the academy that everyone asked themselves "how the hell did you get hired!" Bigger and better scandals coming if you have seen whats walking around the academy and oh the bad paperwork!
Anonymous said...
Meanwhile there is a PPO who failed SIX cycles and is being CYCLED again in 14 is STILL on the job.
9/11/2018 03:33:00 AM
This is exactly the major reason why the FTO program is a failure. Management refuses to fire unqualified PPO's. Calloway would not make the necessary changes to the FTO program while he was in charge for the last 5 years. Now he is the head of IAD. Calloway would do anything to avoid firing a recruit or PPO. No other law enforcement agency has 6 cycles to protect a unqualified PPO. SMFH
Love that term “legal scholars”. AKA “clueless liberals” whose only experience is standing behind a podium referencing a book written by a fellow “clueless liberal”.
>>>> Two local legal scholars ..... Northwestern University law professor Max Schanzenbach and Kyle Rozema of the University of Chicago examined 50,000 misconduct complaints lodged against members of the CPD between 2002 and 2014. <<<<
Wow! So these two egg-heads actually went through each of the 50,000 'misconduct' complaints -- every single one of them -- and 'examined' them as to their validity? For leftist trolls that means checking to see if they were justified complaints or complete bullshit from pissed off people (and folk) who were arrested.
So excuse me for being a skeptic of this 'study' but in looking into these two scholars, nowhere does it say they wear Superman Capes. Hell it doesn't even say they were top of the class at Evelyn Wood's Speed Reading School(/s). And actually Examining 50,000 complaints is a Herculean task. If each 'scholar' examined Two Complaints a day it would take them .... 34 1/4 Years!!
Which brings us to this conclusion: .......
+++++ The two concluded that “removing the worst 1 percent” of Chicago Police officers — about 120 people — ... would have saved Chicago taxpayers more than $6 million in payouts between 2009 and 2014. +++++
Uh... what happened to years 2002 through 2008?!?! How the f--k can you conclude anything when all the data isn't included??? Or.... isn't PUBLISHED because it doesn't fit your anti-police leftist narrative!!
By the way 'professors' that $6 million dollars paid over those 7 years is only $847,143 dollars a year. And the way Tiny Dancer, and Richie Daley before him, throws money around to 'winners' of The Ghetto Lottery, it's peanuts.
So here's MY conclusion 'professors' -- Take this study of yours and shove it up your collective asses.
So if we’re at 13,000 that means that .007692% of the police are the problem. Realistically if we’re at 10,000 that means that 1.09% of all the CPD is a problem. But all of us are the problem and we all need to strengthen our relationship with the community and treat people better!!???
Very briefly - Your (not mine) very own hometown Kenwaiian Harvard trained “law professor and Constitutional expert” was an Adjunct.
That’s simply put, a carpetbagger who found a high paying part time job in between community organizing and freeloading.
Not sure if Schanzenbach and Rozema hold adjunct positions at their respective universities.
But it seems these two are the lastest expert eggheads who have ALLLLLLLLL the answers.
Both of these two have extensive theoretical backgrounds in economics and drifted over to law.
Very likely never held a real jobs other than bookstore coffee clerk or radical campaign pollster.
Schanzie a Harvard & Yale alum, go figure.
Rozema a UC and Pritzker Law grad, go figure more.
Hey Schanzie, Rozie....you’re both well qualified academically, I’ll give you that.
For your information there’s an opening on the Ballot for Mayor here.
Or are you both satisfied with just “talking” other problems and solutions?
Hmmmm? Yeah, I figured.
Democrats.
Six million dollars is small potatoes compared to the fuckery at 666 N.Michigan. Keep the officers that know how to work the streets on the job and the professors can go back to smoking opium in their purple dorm and classrooms.
Really all of this nonsense means what exactly to the tax paying homeowner? Does it make my family safer?
They found that “citizen allegations are a valid predictor of serious misconduct” by police officers.
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this is what I hate about statistics. WHat the fuck are you supposed to do with this information as it applies to the individual? Absolutely nothing. You can't. Hey, here's a stat, professor: blacks are 6x more likely than whites, per capita, in the USA, to commit homicide. Now do something with that one too... genius.
OT Just watched L A video of cop shot on traffic stop. # 1 reason to have your weapon out and ready all the time. FOP grow some balls in Chicago. Not a cop.
U don't have to remove me...I've had about enough of these so-called experts dictating how Police operations should run. I'm Retiring. Will the last of the real Police turn out the lights and lower the Chicago flag when they leave?? Or just leave it at half mast, and upside down as it has been for about a decade.
Hint: People with Zero Police experience should never dictate anything to the Police! That's what got us here...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Meanwhile there is a PPO who failed SIX cycles and is being CYCLED again in 14 is STILL on the job.
Unbelievable but I imagine it’s not the first time
Do you know why God made snakes before lawyers? He needed the practice. Northwestern is a nothing but a huge snake pit.
Very interested how many complaints the 120 had to wind up on the list. 10-20-30 EACH?
If so why are they still on the job? You do all understand the CPD has some bad actors right? Time to call them out and part company, you are only hurting yourselves letting these guys and gals go unchallenged.
Problem was and is that no one ever took these complaints seriously. No follow up and clout protected the worst from any punishment. That in a nutshell is what's wrong with the CPD, clout above all else. Discipline, promotions , shift assignments and where you will serve your time, clout rules the day, always has and always will in the CPD until someone with balls is calli1ng the shots.
Anony 04:18 is dead right. They proved that "pattern of practice" is exactly that.
Hope the CPD reads the report and get the 20 off street ASAP. They don't have to be fired just put in a job where they have 2no interaction with that public. Would be interesting to see how long these "tough" guys and gals last. No clout saves if your on the list your job will be changed. Come on Ed stand for something. Your time is about over and for onc3 do the right thing. Get this cancer off the street.
Why are we letting the nimrod from Northwestern University speak on anything law related? Haven't they fucked up enough getting guilty people released from prison?
That will leave the clouted desk personnel, light duty sick, lame and lazy, radio room. secretaries and neighborhood relations to barricade the doors of the station to repel the ZOMBIE APOCALYPE that is running the streets. KOOL.
Cameras!
Use them.
Show the creeps that the allegations are often, most often, just that.
Baseless and without merit and nefarious in nature allegations!
https://www.france24.com/en/20180911-safrica-close-war-zone-with-57-murders-day-minister
Is this what they want?
1:40 pm: No, actually, they haven’t, in spite of what you may have been told.
So does Max belong to the same Coffee Klatch as old Bernadine ‘Fire in the Hole’ Dorhn?
As to the wordy about clouted desk clerks, lame and lazy, radio room and caps what is your point. That is what you have now so what's the difference if the 120 replace some of those positions.
Do these morons not realize that depending on where you work, you will get more citizen complaints? I still remember when the make believe churches were giving lessons in how to make complaints against us! Furthermore, it is a proven fact that the harder the worker the more cr's they get.
To the jokers making a poor attempt at contrasting these eggheads' suggestion with the private sector...you do realize that what they describe is how the private sector has worked since forever, right? Even setting aside the Jack Welch cult of ditching the bottom ten percent every year, perennial fuckups get dealt with one way or another because they sap the morale and productivity of the whole organization. Even in academia, you can only really get away with being useless if you've got powerful friends. Which brings us to the real problem, in both public and private sector, which is political patronage systems and the corrosive effects they have on the host organization. Until that gets addressed, complaining about bad actors is like pissing in the ocean.
6 million lol. This is why you never trust an economist. Hello um has anyone noticed
BILLIONS missing from pension due to bad investing. BILLIONS missing caaaaaaaaause Germans own the skyway? We can go on and on.
6 million lol. That it teeny tiny bahaha.
Now that we are not arresting any murderers the Northwestern Libnerds are bored and are reading CRs. Before they were too busy trying to get signitures from people in order to free murderers. Man when Trump gers a 2nd term thwy will go apeshit. Waaa waaa waa ah aahh aaaahaha aaaa aha lmao
Sounds like the U of C program over at CPS. Everyone is a superstar, everyone passes and graduates and no one can do no wrong hence no discipline. Reading above level and everyone goes to college. Let’s see how many years before this manufacturered data blows up in their faces.
Well, we had a PPO in 025 a few years ago, during her 4 cycle, who was reading the Koran, in roll call, on 9/11. Real brain trust she was. No worries though, she's at Homan Square now. She must have finally passed.
Lies, damn lies, and statistics! mark twain.
"Why do these liberal dumb as shit college professors have all of the answers?
Just cause you earned a bullshit PhD doesn't make you an expert in police work."
PHD is not earned, it is given.
Crime Lab Crime Lab bwahhh hahhh hahhhh hahhhh.
Yeah, another "study" by more experts that couldn't find their ass with both hands in their back pockets.
The 1% are Clouted Braintrust.
Usually it ends up being a small number of people who are the worst offenders in any organization.
You get rid of them and it markedly improves the organization overall.
The cops should report the clouted who do dirt. Period.
What makes you think k they don't? Some of these cols have been reported , charged, disciplined, and fired, and got their jobs back. And if you report it, it depends who gets the report, also depends who the clout is.
Name-calling, summarily bashing the professors, etc., is pure bullshit and ignorance. What they wrote ain't rocket science, folks. Most studies actually aren't, for that matter. The same logic can be applied to the streets. Remove the worst offenders and the neighborhood improves.
Citizen complaint numbers have some validity. That does NOT mean every complaint is valid but it is a signal that if enough come in you need to look further. In fairness, if you aren't productive you are less likely to get complaints (de-policing, eh?). You have to account for this in any analysis, of course. Ironically, the same logic also goes to criminals. In doing risk assessments the best evaluations come from the offenses mopes were arrested for, not convicted of as a result of plea bargains, etc.
The only thing weird I see here is that people were paid to say the obvious. In other words, do you need a $70,000 study for a 70 cent answer?
While we're at it, another 70 cent answer is that if you keep your employees happy they will be better and more productive. Heaven forbid government would do that!
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