New Jersey Bans Cops Carrying
- A new gun law went into effect in New Jersey that makes it illegal for law enforcement to carry duty weapons off-duty.
Trenton, NJ – The new law that limits gun magazines to 10 rounds went into effect on Dec. 10 without the legislature taking up the amendment to create an exception for law enforcement officers.
Modern firearms issued to patrol officers generally hold 12 or more rounds of ammunition.
That means that just about all law enforcement officers in New Jersey will be breaking the law if they carry their assigned duty weapons while off duty, including just being home with them, unless they live outside of the state or leave their magazines behind at work, rendering the weapons near-useless.
New Jersey is certainly the San Francisco of the east coast.
Labels: dumb ideas, out-of-state
posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
100 Comments:
If a NJ cop takes his firearm home Eddie Johnson will be waiting there to strip him
Ok, so if you make the police outlaws, just who is going to enforce the law?
Congratulations new Jersey, you are an idiocracy.
How does a state law trump H.R. 218? You’re ok to carry concealed, but not the magazine because of state law?
They can’t carry hollow points off duty either.
10 round magazines will be coming to Illinois for its citizens.
You can bet on that.
Fuck them it was signed by the president that I can carry my weapon in all the 50 states. If they arrest me or any one else, sue the fuck out of them. SUE THE FUCK OUT THEM.
I would not enforce that law.
They said magazine(s)? Correct? Carry 2 mags
"You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead hands!!" Good luck finding a cop to enforce this! I, for one, would not! This country is doomed! Looks like Donald Trump has it right. SMDH!!
What do you expect from a state that’s given us Snooki, Mike “The Situation, Meryl Streep and Bon Jovi?! Truly, the east coast armpit of the nation.
So bottom line : if a retired police from out of state who has the federal law retired police credentials they going to be arrested too!? Wow. But gang bangers and rapists aren’t the real problem at all. Thanks democrats, you guys are so intelligent!
A special and nasty-assed kind of stupid...
Anti-Police and Anti-2nd Amendment bumped into each
other in the dark, pissy stairwell of Progressive
Fuckery and made this ugly-assed baby.
"It's SO... >URK!<
It's REALLY... >GAG!<
OMG! IT'S SOOOOO CUUUU...
>PEEEEE-YOOOOOOOK!<"
The New Jersey legislature is as
beyond shame as the bust-outs in Illinois.
They didn’t rush it through. That’s what they wanted!
Look at the Chicago’ assault weapon ban, especially what happens to your patrol rifle once you retire. Also retirement means you can’t carry in Chicago Parks.
Keep believing they are passing sensible gun laws!
Only active LE can have hallo point ammo in NJ.
Keep voting DemocRATS and you will be defenseless.
That’s a state I will not be retiring too. Or visiting any time soon. Officers better be careful driving through the state with their magazines.
Keep driving their BS. They want us all to be unarmed.
The gun control people don’t care about the police or the public’s rights to protect themselves. Fuck NJ. I will not be visiting that state.
Serves us right since we are so anti 2nd amendment anyway. How many CPD officers would arrest a valid out of state concealed carry person in Chicago? The answer is a bunch would make that arrest. There is zero reason to mess with valid CCL holders, especially if they’ve done nothing else wrong, aside from carrying their gun. Uphold the 2nd amendment rights of people, and tell the politicians we aren’t enforcing their unconstitutional laws.
Isn’t that the reason the Law Enforcement Officers Safety act was put into place? It’s Federal law and says any law enforcement officer can carry their weapon in any jurisdiction. Wouldn’t that count for an officers “home” jurisdiction?
-The House of Representatives also defeated, and the Senate refused to consider, proposed amendments aimed at preserving local law enforcement agencies' discretion to regulate "the conditions under which their officers may carry firearms." Thus, both the words of LEOSA and its legislative intent clearly establish that LEOSA applies nationwide, including the home state of the individual.
Look for this to be coming here. Get ready to have to hand in your magazines.
Temporary solution , just buy 10rd magazines , S&W/GLOCK/SIG , they all make them , & U can use your Duty Weapon with 10 rounders. L/E in AZ & other states when traveling 2 California Buy these 10rd magazines 2 comply with these dumb ass laws , & guess what the 10rd magazines cost more than the 15 or 17 rd magazines . They take advantage of a bad situation .
Simple/ Temporary solution buy 10 rd magazines, S&W GLOCK SIG, all make them , & then U can carry your Duty weapon off duty . GUN Mag Wharehouse.com sells them .L/E officers traveling 2 California & New York buy them /10rd magazines & avoid the hassle
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NJ is the Illinois of the east coast. Just as corrupt, just as broke.
Unfortunately there will be idiots arresting police officers there.
So under HR218 you can carry a 1911. Problem solved.
Our government is out of control. Ultimately they want to take guns away from everyone so we can't ever fight them. One lawmaker in California said he would like to restrict free speech including what Republicans can say. Scary times but the majority of the American people seem oblivious.
Like the old Black Men in the deuce would tell us when we arrested them for UUW. "Office ,Id rather YOU catch me with it,than THEM catch me with out it " Fuck these Democrat Politicians ,If you have to use it they'll find out other wise they should NEVER find that your caring a weapon off duty ! SO FUCK EM How many judges in New Jersey are carrying ? Where the hell is Kristie, He was a Federal Prosecutor wasn't he ...and Governor of that Cess Pool of a State !
They can’t carry hollow points off duty either.
12/16/2018 12:08:00 AM
Good thing for the honeybadger rounds
One word solution. Revolver.
Atty general to be Kwame says he approves of this law!!
They also banned retired from carrying. They stated they will not honor the federal provision allowing retired officers to carry.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
What do you expect from a state that’s given us Snooki, Mike “The Situation, Meryl Streep and Bon Jovi?! Truly, the east coast armpit of the nation.
12/16/2018 12:37:00 AM
You forgot the Buttafucco bunch.
retired CPD,AZ Steve said...
Simple/ Temporary solution buy 10 rd magazines, S&W GLOCK SIG, all make them , & then U can carry your Duty weapon off duty . GUN Mag Wharehouse.com sells them .L/E officers traveling 2 California & New York buy them /10rd magazines & avoid the hassle
Then the magazine capacity of 10 rounds will be eventually too much as well. It is the erosion of rights that the Left wants. It will only lead to the banning of all firearms. The "Left" is all about control and they will use any means necessary to get what they want.
It says can't carry their duty weapon. So go buy an off duty weapon. Leave the Department's gun and ammo at work, buy another one and different ammo that meets the requirements of the law and carry that. Problem solved.
Incremental total disarmament is the pipe dream of the communist inspired demorat party. Along with rampant criminality, and rendering the local police forces useless, the anti-fuks and blm can riot, create property damage, and the demorats can fix it all through wealth redistribution. But first those damn 1st and 2nd amendments have to be ignored, along with demorat control of the courts, and some more voter fraud. Maybe vote harvesting like in Ca. and we can have that socialist paradise that works so well anywhere it's been tried.
Anonymous J.B. Fat Fuck said...
10 round magazines will be coming to Illinois for its citizens.
You can bet on that.
The Noveske Diplomat looks so silly that way.....but can I still hang a bunny puncher on the front?
I drive down the Dan Ryan shooting gallery every night from 005. I have a 33 round magazine in my glock, and 3 extra ones in my vest.
Screw new jersey
It looks like they knew about the problem back in July and submitted a bill to correct it. But the legislation tracked says it went no where.
https://legiscan.com/NJ/bill/S2846/2018
Story about the issue: https://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2018/07/whoops_nj_lawmakers_look_to_fix_high_capacity_maga.html
I guess buying 10 round clips is pretty cheap compared to the $200 federal tax stamp and the $650 price tag of the silencer I bought. But now I can legally carry.
Is it against department policy to have a threaded barrel on your duty weapon if it came that way from the factory?
Got a great idea!
Eddie Johnson goes on the fake wrestling cop circuit!
We don't need this shit, we got our own built-in cast of
characters. All we need is to organize. Anybody know
of any honest lawyers?
Boy, do we have 'em. Heroes, Villians, Outlaws, Crusaders,
Jail Cops, Mall Cops, Cubs Cops, Train Cops, Tac Cops,
Skool Cops, Undercover Cops. We being used by the Man
and being paid shit. Let's take this shit show on the road!
WHO wrote the law? WHO made felons out of so many law abiding citizens? WHO should be held accountable when a copper or civilian is killed in a magazine confiscation scenario? WHY do legislators disappear into anonymity after they introduce such horrible laws that will lead officers and civilians into conflict? The legislators are the ones who should be highlighted, spotlighted and held up for responsibility for these situations! They must be held accountable!
NJ, like CA, is a new kind of stupid.
The magazine restrictions were an oversight by the legislature. It has been corrected.
And those eastern states like New Jersey will still funky with you even with a HR218 card. While you can carry a gun you are still subject to local magazine and ammo ordinances.
Unfortunately, nationwide reciprocity is dead. Since the communist democrats took over Congress it is dead.
Don't for a minute think that it can't happen here.
Just make Lightfoot mayor. No one hates the Police more that she does.
Don't worry, there will be plenty of NJ merit hacks, clout babies, and just plain old pricks willing to enforce this law against anyone including a fellow LEO. Not all NJ cops are stupid pricks, but all it takes is one stupid prick to pick you. You will be the one jammed up and sitting in a NJ Jail.
Those who choose to exercise their LEOSA rights to 50 state carry should make sure to learn what is allowed. When out of your jurisdiction and state, you are considered a citizen with CC privileges and must follow state and local laws. HR does not exempt you from bans limiting you to 10rd mags but as of 2013, you are exempt from bans like NJ hollow point ban:
"qualified active and retired law enforcement officers may carry ammunition in States which may have prohibited the possession of certain ammunition by persons not actively serving in law enforcement within that State."
Make sure you are familiar with what is and isn't allowed...
https://www.fop.net/legislative/issues/hr218/hr218faq.pdf
I drove through New Jersey going to New York. That family member no longer lives in NY. I don't have any reason to go to shithole New Jersey or NY. Lardass Chris Christie can have it all to himself. I'll watch The Sopranos on Netflix. Screw New Jersey.
The criminals in Newark will love this.
Look at the Chicago’ assault weapon ban, especially what happens to your patrol rifle once you retire. Also retirement means you can’t carry in Chicago Parks.
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Retired means you don't have to live in this shithole!!!!! Problem solved!!
Your friendly Democrats at work.
Democrats! Nothing more must be said. Keep electing these rats
How can New Jersey politicians be this earth-shattering STOO-PID!! Isn't there one lawmaker in that cesspool of a state that has at least a bit of knowledge of firearms -- especially firearms that the Police Use? Apparently not.
That is, hopefully firearm ignorance *IS* the reason for this fucked-up Law, and not just rabid hatred of cops -- 'Why do cops need more than 10 bullets? Just to kill more Black Men?!!? -- and this Law is a big FUCK YOU to police officers in the state.
The ironic thing is that New Jersey isn't the first state to do something this f--king dumb. Shortly after the Sandy Hook Elem School shooting, in 2013 New York State passed a Gun Control Law called iirc, the 'Safe Act'. It limited magazine capacity for Semi-Auto Firearms to.. ya better sit down ... Seven Rounds! (not kidding). And initially it didn't exclude police firearms either. Luckily, they corrected the Law for police officers BEFORE the law went into effect.
This screw-up by New York State was HUGE national news, so it's surprising that nobody in New Jersey remembered this before they wrote, passed, and enacted this STOO-PID law.
Hawaii one ups NJ by also limiting out of state active and retired to only 10rds but also requiring you to register your firearm if staying for more than 5 days with the local county Chief of Police.
http://ag.hawaii.gov/cjd/law-enforcement-index-page/
And correct me if I am wrong but doesn't New York State also limit ammo to only 7rds in a mag.
The truely sad part is, is that there will be lots of officers enforcing this bullshit against other officers.
Divide and conquer.
Just remember folks, the pols who wrote this law are the best and brightest, just ask them. They’ll be happy to tell you how smart they are.
I've been saying this forever, these lib Democrat's anti 2nd amend folks are coming for the police first. It's obvious to many, when making up gun laws, law enforcement needs are never even considered. They want a police force liken to England. Don't be stupid, join the NRA. If you have a problem with the NRA, join the Illinois Rifle Association. Help you relatives, friends and others get into the shooting sports. Encourage them to go to gun safety classes, we are in deep shit my friends.
I love how some stupid sheep comment on here that we should buy 10rd magazines as a solution to this stupid law. You don't ask for permission to exercise a constitutional right, which is the 2nd amendment. As officers, uphold our oaths to the constitution, and tell the politicians we are not enforcing their corrupt laws. March on the Jersey capital with everybody openly carrying 33rd glock 9mm magazines, and see them cave and do nothing.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Isn’t that the reason the Law Enforcement Officers Safety act was put into place? It’s Federal law and says any law enforcement officer can carry their weapon in any jurisdiction. Wouldn’t that count for an officers “home” jurisdiction?
-The House of Representatives also defeated, and the Senate refused to consider, proposed amendments aimed at preserving local law enforcement agencies' discretion to regulate "the conditions under which their officers may carry firearms." Thus, both the words of LEOSA and its legislative intent clearly establish that LEOSA applies nationwide, including the home state of the individual.
12/16/2018 02:22:00 AM
The loophole is LEOSA does not have anything to do with type/qu of ammo. Just the 'weapon'
Did you kinow LEOSA holders are subject to the 1000' school zone restriction (Fed), but Ill CCW are not???????
Also, by Illinois statute, LEOSA holders are not subject to the Illinois "Gun Free Zone" signs....Although they may be asked to leave...they can not be charged with it's violation....
When Illinois hates the Police. Is I can see this coming here. Look at the way the city treats us. You have 30 days to get your patrol carbine out of the city or turn it in to be destroyed.
How about I move far away after retirement.
Police need to take a stand. I will not purchase anything from NJ or bust their. Boycott!
New Jersey is a real $hithole. Trenton, Camden, Newark, ect....
NYS also has a problem with high capacity magazines. Be polite and ask for consideration when stopped by NYS Troopers, no reason to get jammed up when passing through another state. They are just doing their job and just like us have discretion to what laws they enforce.
Supposedly there is a bill being decided in Congress to solve this problem and a few other things in HR218 like a uniformed course of fire and being able to get qualified by any certified firearms instructor.
Ret 177
Fundamental Transformation.
Penalize the police and celebrate the violent armed feral thug.
It’s not your Frankie Valli & The Four Seasons NJ anymore.
So far they’ve yet to ban socks and rolls of quarters.
Democrats at their finest.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Only active LE can have hallo point ammo in NJ.
12/16/2018 01:36:00 AM
Where do you find this "hallo" point ammo you speak of????
The feds need to step in and take over the states attorney’s offices in Cook County and Boston, MA for official misconduct by them not prosecuting state laws. What if the police start to only enforce the laws that they personally like and disregard the ones that they don’t?
1 MILLION NJ residents missed the deadline to turn in their magazines. Making them all guilty of a felony.
Are the Police going to enforce the law?
Also, by Illinois statute, LEOSA holders are not subject to the Illinois "Gun Free Zone" signs....Although they may be asked to leave...they can not be charged with it's violation....
12/16/2018 11:58:00 AM
This should't be a problem if you're in compliance with LEOSA, i.e. your firearm CONCEALED.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
What do you expect from a state that’s given us Snooki, Mike “The Situation, Meryl Streep and Bon Jovi?! Truly, the east coast armpit of the nation.
12/16/2018 12:37:00 AM
You forgot the Buttafucco bunch.
No, I didn’t. They were from Long Island. That’s New York.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The feds need to step in and take over the states attorney’s offices in Cook County and Boston, MA for official misconduct by them not prosecuting state laws. What if the police start to only enforce the laws that they personally like and disregard the ones that they don’t?
12/16/2018 03:38:00 PM
No, the problem is the idiot citizens keep electing a d reelecting these idiots
You should also know that NJ does not allow retired officers to carry without a NJ carry permit. NJ politicians do not believe LEOSA covers its retired officers. Butt-heads!
One word. Bolsheviks!
Before LE could carry in all 50 States, Chicago Police Officers would get locked up for carrying their weapons in WISCONSIN and TENNESSEE. I’m sure their were others. Indiana would let LE carry back than no matter where they were from.
No one is above the law. Be careful if you choose to brake the law. Especially if It’s a gun arrest. You ever hear of Police writing other Police movers.
Had many interactions with TN L.E. They are golden men of the law. Right wingers and they hate the same as we do. They don't play with any shit bag criminals. Always carry a CPD patch and give it to a TN copper. You will never ever have a problem in TN. The copper' there will give you their home phone or vell numbers.. They are truly the real police.
WI, I hated LE there for 40 years. They would trick bag CPD guys all the time , mostly their state police.
We got even. They drove milk trucks in Chicago and IL years ago. Automatic stop. We played nice and they admitted they had a pistol in their car. They hit the shitter and their gun was history. Always missed the first court fate to make them travel. The judges in Cook county back when also hated the WI state police. They locked up 3 sitting old time judges from cook.
They pled out and not knowing their gun was c and d ed. Also they took a 30 day suspension. I was in the old gang crimes and a Major called my cmdr beefing. I heard the call and my cmdr mother fucked him I bet he was crying. My cmdr ordered all WI plates take a stop. We had fun messing with their citizens and they always were cited after a simple traffic violation and check the box must appear. I would not take a crap in that inbreeding state of WI. IN guys are golden too from what I hear now.
"Those who choose to exercise their LEOSA rights to 50 state carry should make sure to learn what is allowed. When out of your jurisdiction and state, you are considered a citizen with CC privileges and must follow state and local laws. HR does not exempt you from bans limiting you to 10rd mags but as of 2013, you are exempt from bans like NJ hollow point ban:"
I'm sorry, but that's not entirely correct. If you fall under LEOSA carry, you are required to follow Federal law in that regard. You ARE NOT considered a citizen of that state with CC privileges! But, if that individual state has a Gun Free Zone, then you are required to follow that state law unless you are on active duty or posses a state CC permit.
http://www.policemag.com/channel/weapons/articles/2014/01/does-the-leosa-carry-law-apply-to-you.aspx
I drive down the Dan Ryan shooting gallery every night from 005. I have a 33 round magazine in my glock, and 3 extra ones in my vest.
Screw new jersey
You must be a great shot, and an even better thinker.
Let me guess, you make your vehicle known to all your the police too.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Before LE could carry in all 50 States, Chicago Police Officers would get locked up for carrying their weapons in WISCONSIN and TENNESSEE. I’m sure their were others. Indiana would let LE carry back than no matter where they were from.
No one is above the law. Be careful if you choose to brake the law. Especially if It’s a gun arrest. You ever hear of Police writing other Police movers.
12/16/2018 10:45:00 PM
Back in the day there was a rumor that if we got a Wis State Trooper for speeding there was a steak dinner waiting ...so much to wish for....
You forgot the Buttafucco bunch.
No, I didn’t. They were from Long Island. That’s New York.
12/16/2018 07:42:00 PM
What's the difference?
Anonymous said...
You should also know that NJ does not allow retired officers to carry without a NJ carry permit. NJ politicians do not believe LEOSA covers its retired officers. Butt-heads!
12/16/2018 09:42:00 PM
NJ and New York City have long given out of state or retired police officers problems with regards to carrying concealed, LEOSA, or not. I have heard that they took the stance that LEOSA is an affirmative defense that you can use in court during your trial. I am not sure what is going on at present, but I would not test it. The carrying of hollow point bullets is another issue where you could be charged. NJ is a stgate, a very high tax state, run by gun grabbers of all sorts and now it seems, anti-police types as well. There was a civilian who had a declared handgun in his luggage who had no intention of stopping off in NJ. His flight was diverted because of weather. When he went to recheck his bag he was arrested, convicted and sentenced to 3 years in prison. He did serve some time. It is a crazy state and avoid it if you have any guns with you.
The House of Representatives also defeated, and the Senate refused to consider, proposed amendments aimed at preserving local law enforcement agencies' discretion to regulate "the conditions under which their officers may carry firearms." Thus, both the words of LEOSA and its legislative intent clearly establish that LEOSA applies nationwide, including the home state of the individual.
12/16/2018 02:22:00 AM
Yes, you are correct, but that does not mean you won't be arrested. In some jurisdictions LEOSA is considered " an affirmative defense" that you can bring up during your trial. You will be found not guilty, most likely, but it will cost you. So much for sensible and " common sense" gun laws.Only disarming the entire population will satisfy the liberal left and put a real dent in gun crime. They know it and you should know it. The left lies all of the time.Obama lied, Hillary lied. Now we have Pritzker who is the most anti-gun of all. Look for a slew of gun grabbing legislation coming in 2019.
Anonymous said...
Only active LE can have hallo point ammo in NJ.
WRONG!!!!!
However, the Federal law does extend the exemption to allow the carriage of ammunition “not" expressly prohibited by Federal law or subject to the provisions
of the National Firearms Act.” This means that qualified active and retired law enforcement officers may carry ammunition in States which may have prohibited the possession of certain ammunition by persons not actively serving in law enforcement within that State.
The loophole is LEOSA does not have anything to do with type/qu of ammo. Just the 'weapon'
12/16/2018 11:52:00 AM
Also INCORRECT, google HR 218 and read the Public Law as signed by the President!
It covers firearms AND ammunition, but NOT magazines.
Although LEOSA preempts state and local laws, there are two notable exceptions: "the laws of any State that (1) permit private persons or entities to prohibit or restrict the possession of concealed firearms on their property" (such as a bars, private clubs, amusement parks, etc.), or "(2) prohibit or restrict the possession of firearms on any State or local government property, installation, building, base, or park"[1][10][11][12] Additionally, LEOSA does not override the federal Gun-Free School Zone Act (GFSZA) which prohibits carrying a firearm within 1,000 feet of elementary or secondary schools. Although the GFSZA authorizes on-duty law enforcement officers to carry firearms in such circumstances, off-duty and retired law enforcement officers are still restricted from doing so unless they have a firearms license issued from the state in which they reside and then it is only good for the state in which they reside.[13] Individuals must also obey any federal laws and federal agency policies that restrict the carrying of concealed firearms in certain federal buildings and lands, as well as federal regulations prohibiting the carriage of firearms on airplanes.[12]
About the Illinois Retired Officer Concealed Carry (IROCC)
On July 22, 2004, Congress passed, and the President signed, the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act of 2004 (the “Act”), Public Law Number 108-277, 118 Statute 865 (2004), codified as 18 U.S.C. §§ 926B and 926C.
With certain limitations and conditions, the Act exempts active and retired “qualified law enforcement officers” from state laws and local ordinances prohibiting the carrying of concealed firearms. In accordance with the Federal Act, Illinois passed Public Act 94-103 (2005) that provides for the annual firearm qualification of qualified retired law enforcement officers required under this federal law.
Appears you are allowed to carry. Doubt they want to violate federal law when confronted
Whew!!! Good thing I can't read.....
Please take a moment to consider what is happening here. The left has passed a law that makes a criminal out of law abiding citizens and Police Officers who own name brand unaltered semi automatic pistols. Whats next. Orders to turn in our semi automatic pistols or they will issue warrants and search our homes and confiscate our NOW illegal guns because they have 11, 12, 13, 14, or 15 round magazines. Or the next time you fire at a range or if you a retired Police Officer qualifying yearly will they have "range Agents" to arrest us and confiscate our semi automatics. Think it can't happen. It's already started in New Jersey. Of course they don't want to put real criminals in jail. but gun owners they apparently will.
Lt.S.
What happens when a ten round magazine it to much for them?
I would NEVER live in that shithole state of New Jersey!
Illinois equally SUCKS!
No way I’d enforce a magazine limit, don’t care what the law says. It’s unconstitutional period.
Do these idiotic lawmakers ever listen to themselves??
Best To Carry Two Hand Grenade's At All Times. One For Them and One For Your Self.
https://www.npr.org/2018/12/12/675359781/americas-growing-cop-shortage/
Anonymous said...
I drive down the Dan Ryan shooting gallery every night from 005. I have a 33 round magazine in my glock, and 3 extra ones in my vest.
Screw new jersey
You must be a great shot, and an even better thinker.
Let me guess, you make your vehicle known to all your the police too.
12/17/2018 07:24:00 AM
Negative kid, My vehicle has no identifiers of any kind on it. Not even a dealer license plate frame. Windows are tinted dark so even a kid like you cant see in my vehicle when it is parked. It is a model that is not used by any Police agency anywhere. So when you are driving home in your jeep unlimited wrangler with all kinds of lights and Police plates on it, you be careful kid.
That's fucked up!! Even crossing guards should be able to protect themselves...never mind PO's!!!
It’s unConstitutional. Infringment on the Peoples Rights
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