Tactically Unsound
- Police officers in San Francisco may no longer demand that suspects sit on the ground or sidewalk at a crime scene, the city’s police chief writes in a department memo; regardless of their custodial status—handcuffed or not.
The practice is viewed as “demeaning” to suspects, city police Chief William Scott has determined, according to the Bay Area’s FOX 2.
The change is “aligned with 21st century policing, our department values and our commitment to providing safety with respect to everyone whom our officers encounter,” a police department spokesman told FOX 2.
"demeaning"? You know what's demeaning is not taking into consideration that for decades, Hell, since the beginning of time, the high ground has always been the tactically superior position. It has nothing to do with "demeaning" and everything to do with giving yourself (or your officers) that edge in case something goes wrong.
Of course, this is San Francisco. The city probably didn't have to search far to find this idiot. He can still go fuck himself though.
Of course, this is San Francisco. The city probably didn't have to search far to find this idiot. He can still go fuck himself though.
Labels: dumb ideas, out-of-state
posted by SCC at 12:02 AM
66 Comments:
I used to love going to San Francisco and their Chinatown. It was a great place to visit.
TODAY?? I would not spend a dime to go out there. That place has been lost to the Libtards, the Homeless and to Illegal Immigrants.
Given the political structure of this fucked up department it wouldn’t surprise me if this happened here as well. Next we will have to bring shitheads to the districts in limos
Maybe he doesnt want the poor criminal to get stuck by a needle which are scattered on the grou d everywhere in that shithole town
Being the police is impossible in this climate.
I actually said out loud “ You’ve got to be kidding “ when I read this. It just gets crazier. My nephew asked me if he should take the job. He’s completed all phases.He’s a big , strong , smart lad. Criminal Justice degree. Perfect candidate. I told him to please go into another profession. I hope he takes my advice.
They don't want people to sit on ground because of all the crap in the streets, it will stink up the squad.
Don't laugh heard he is on short list for next CPD head.
When the first one runs into traffic and is injured or killed who will they blame? A Police Chief or like in Chicago a chief that can be controlled and will do anything and say anything they are told by the politician that appointed them? This puts both the Police Officer and the suspect in a dangerous situation but if the community wants this so be it.
This is the sanctuary city that a jury acquitted the murderer of Kate Steinle, the young woman who was shot walking on the pier with her father. She died in her father's arms. The offender was 5 times deported illegal alien Jose Inez Garcia Zarate who at the time of the shooting was in the country illegally and had 7 felony convictions and was on probation from Texas. Prior to shooting Steinle, Zarate was in the SF jail and ICE put a detainer on him which the Sheriff disregarded because SF is a sanctuary city. Steinle's family sued the city of SF and the Sheriff. A SF judge dismissed the lawsuit.
SF is also the city that coddles the homeless and as a result the entire city is infested with them and their drug syringes and human feces everywhere. There even a human feces map on line to warn you of the volume in a given area. It is generated by complaint calls to their 311 system. The city workers who clean up the feces are paid up to $184,000.00 a year. Salary is $71,760.00 with healthcare and retirement benefits of $112,918.00 per year. The city does not stop the homeless from doing what they are doing. They just believe in taking care of them.
And it was just announced today from SF that the California Public Utilities Commission wants to tax everyones text messages so that it can increase funding for programs that bring "connectivity to underserved residents."
If you keep up with the news from California you know who the elected far left nuts are like Gov. Jerry Moonbeam Brown, Congresswomen Nancy Peolsi, Mad Maxine Watters, Sen. Dianne Feinstein and a host of others. The State is being destroyed by these liberal thinkers the progressive socialist Democrats. 44.6% percent of the residents don't speak English at home. The middle class is being taxed to death to pay for all the deadbeats & immigrants and are fleeing to other states. California was once the richest state in the union now it is the poorest thanks to the programs and policies of the State's Democrats.
So does this look familiar here in Chicago. Maybe not as far gone as California but by god our progressive socialist Democrats are working on it!
Actually the action taken by the chief is to prevent the suspect/arrestee from picking up brown skid marks by sitting on the ground in San Francisco. Maybe someone could come up with throw mats to put on the ground to prevent this problem.
Must be ‘less demeaning’ if you’re the actual Victim of the handcuffed suspect.
If he doesnt want them to sit on the ground, make them lay down. Problem solved.
They will have to start carrying folding bag chairs at all times. It's the newest addition to their uniform.
it is only demeaning if somebody was made to sit on a pile of shit.
It always starts in CA or NY.
Then it comes here.
More tactically unsound wonder what is a security specialist what are the qualifications to be on the elected’s details here they are how do you apply
https://www.cityofchicago.org/content/dam/city/depts/dhr/supp_info/JobSpecifications/PublicSafetyServices/9100_PoliceGeneralDutySeries/9160_Police%20Officer%20(Assigned%20As%20Security%20Specialist).pdf
What is the process:
http://directives.chicagopolice.org/directives/data/a7a57be2-12ce5918-9f612-ce62-26ffacbabba98743.html?ownapi=1
NOTE:
The application process does not require posting of job vacancies, screening for qualifications, or conducting interviews.
*so there are no qualifications? No interviews? But not political?
From contract:
Officers covered by this Agreement who are assigned as Explosive Technician I, Firearms Identification Technician I, Legal Officer I, Police Forensic Investigator I, Security Specialist, or Supervising Substance Abuse Counselor shall receive D-3 pay as base salary.
*just asking since the mayor is hell bent on opening the constitution and is so extremely misinformed on cola, and why is this pensionable? Why is he not reducing pension from his Uber driver? When coppers are paid “out of grade base pay for that day,hour,week,month year say as acting sergeant, or a sergeant as acting lieutenant why don’t they get pension bump? Hmm just asking.
Gee mayor that takes another 12,000 per year for security Specialists all the way up to an extra 60 70,000 a year for exempt commanders on your details. Before anyone gets in a huff nothing secret everything here available with a quick google search!
They found him pissing in one of their outdoor toilets.
I can see why. With all the homeless and illegal aliens using their sidewalks as a toilet, it has to be unsanitary.
In the new 21st century policing the officer will now be required to handcuff himself and sit down on the curb while conducting his investigation. The new policy will allow the offender to remain standing and uncuffed so he doesn’t feel inferior to the officer. This is the future of policing. FUCKING LIBERAL IDIOTS.
Maybe they should meet em half way and get on their knees...that seems to very popular out that way!
San Fran should be a real paradise shorty.....
I would think being handcuffed would be a little more demeaning than sitting on the sidewalk.
Just another reason to do absofuckinglutely nothing. Let all these snow"flake" liberal POS morons get their fucking heads busted or worse and see how their "stupid" levels drop and they "BEG" the POLICE to do the job and make the world the safer place it was 30 years ago before all this liberal bullshit!!!
I thought it might be something about all that human feces and used needles they accumulate on their sidewalks streets and alleys. I guess there is no limit to the bad ideas the liberal yards can come up with.
What a hell hole, but those snowflakes demand this and all of the criminals are treated with respect.
If this was Chicago someones nephew would be selling lawn chairs to the police to be carried in there cars for these poor criminals to sit on!
I think carrying folding chairs in the trunk of the squad for offenders makes perfect sense to me. Maybe the wagons could carry folding cots in case the rascals are tired. You can really see how backward our department is when it comes to offenders rights. Maybe the chief can come out and sit on the curb with the victims.
Maybe the ground they are being "forced" to sit on is so full of used needles, urine and feces that it bothered them?? Snowflake State shines again!
Maybe in San Fran it's a health hazard to sit on the ground, as they are probably covered in human feces. Better to have the perp stand than end up creating a cholera or norovirus outbreak in jail.
Yes, they didn’t have to look far. He is from the LAPD. Unfortunately he is what’s called an “idealist” and the “appearances” is why he came up up with this “idea.” Signed a “realist”. Lol
who the fuck wants to sit on the needle littered, crap covered ground in San Francisco?
No good decision is made from a swivel chair.
All right then. Make the mutts stand at attention.
You ever get the idea that people in California are actually aliens from another dimension. I say wall it off and save the rest of us Earthlings.
I guess you need to carry folding chairs now,21st century pampering will bring more criminals
Fuck the sons of bitches, how about cuffing them wrist to leg? pretty hard to run away like that.
I just don't know what to say anymore with FUCKING LIBERAL ASSHOLES making policy.....Take the fork out, We're DONE....PERIOD.....
Having a subject sit on the street is demeaning?
It is in San Francisco. If you can find a spot on the sidewalk for the subject to sit that isn't covered in shit.
This is the town that invented rice-a roni, some nasty shit that tasted like cardboard that I was forced to eat when I was a yute. Piss on the boss, still sit them down and do your job the way you were taught.
Hey Chief William Scott, you know what else is "demeaning" -- being in Handcuffs. So is that next Chief Scott, no cuffs? Just have your officers nicely ask the suspect to stand there and behave, that if he's good he gets a Cookie and Milk -- Whole, Skim, or Soy at 'detainee's' request. Hey it's San Francisco. LOL
Hell Chief, being arrested is "demeaning" too, so how about just not arresting anyone? Okay... maybe a Murderer. Just don't get carried away in arresting too many people for "demeaning crimes".
You know, it would have made more sense if Chief Scott's reasoning for not having arrestee's sitting on the ground is all the discarded NEEDLES, feces, and urine, the drug addicts and homeless leave all over the sidewalks and streets of SF.
postscript: I think 'Mayor Taxwinkle' just found her number one candidate in Chief Scott to replace Special Ed as CPD Supt when she's sworn in as Chicago's next mayor. This guy Scott seems so pro criminal, and just plain goofy, he HAS to come to Chicago.
[Go Bears!]
The Northside is literally up for grabs no description of offenders or the "black vehicles," who could be doing all of this?
Vehicle thefts reported in Jefferson Park: police
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/vehicle-thefts-reported-in-jefferson-park-police/
Violent robberies reported on North Side: police
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/violent-robberies-reported-on-north-side-police/
Fake repairmen burglarize homes in North Park, Albany Park: police
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/fake-repairmen-burglarize-homes-in-north-park-albany-park-police/
* wait we have a description:
The suspects were seen driving away in a beige pick-up truck, police said.
*So it's not a "black vehicle" but a "beige vehicle" hmm could that be code for say hispanic? A "White vehicle," means hmm Caucasian American?
That's just the Cali-compliant cover story - they're really trying to avoid the lawsuits for hep/cholera/et cetera infections due to being proned out on the streets and sidewalks of San Fecesisco.
Can you say, “ Bad guy in the wind”. Adios “Office”.
1. Don't make suspects sit on the ground.
2. Complaints arise that standing makes suspects tired and uncomfortable.
3. Police squads to be equipped with folding chairs (comfortable ones, preferably with those drink holders in the armrests).
Like you said SCC you must consider the source: the land of fruits and nuts.
I worked in SF for a couple years. The people there were intolerant religious zealots for cultural Marxism. Any independent thought outside leftist docterine was immediately attacked with wild eyes and smug condensention. It was like being in the movie Invasion of the Body Snatchers. The only people there with souls were from out of state or another country. I almost felt sorry for them. Bombarded with incessant left wing propaganda from birth deprived them of being free, critically thinking human beings. If its still out there look up the leaked video of the Google staff meeting after Trump won, if you can bear it.
In Coachella valley( Palm Springs, Cathedral City, Palm Desert, Rancho Mirage, Indian Wells, Indio, Coachella & Desert Hot Springs) the police chiefs shut down the news media's access to the 911 radio frequency citing privacy issues with citizens personal information of crime victims and offenders (not convicted remember) of adults and juveniles.
All of the media, electronic and print, are crying like banshees. It looks like they are going to hire reporters again to actually talk to the police and citizens who can tell them to go fuck themselves like they used to.
These 8 police chiefs have balls. All of the towns mentioned have individual mayors who back up the chiefs. California is a flakey state but at least Southern California has some sense.
Modern day social justice agendas continues to espouse that victims, their safety, and laws don’t matter. The only meaningful principle is that the offenders are victims.
Police Officer safety USED
to be the order of the day...
"Remember Your Training"
Policemen were taught for many years
to knock down/knock out those who were
resisters and those who did commit acts
of assault/battery.
Knocking people down/knocking people out
is a justifiable and reasonable Police
Use of Force.
This Use of Force IS in concurrence with
the overwhelming majority of state statutes
in this country.
BUT...
The Liberal Democrat White-Guilt Progressives
who control America's large democrat-controlled
urban centers, along with subversives like the ACLU
who run the majority of Police Departments in those
same urban centers, have installed a series of deliberate
circumvention(s) of state statute(s).
How so?
By the cynical employ of various artfully crafted
municipal ordinances, consent decrees, ruinous civil
litigation and Police Department rules & regulations.
The "Police are out of control" narrative looms large...
These things have the expressly designed purpose of separating Policemen
from the rightful cover and shielding of Police Use of Force as defined
and enshrined by state statute(s).
This therefore exposes Policemen who actions ARE wholly reasonable
and in agreement with said statute(s) to knee-jerk jackpot discipline,
mainstream media doxxing and the like.
Officer Darren Wilson...
Officer Robert Rialmo...
And many more.
Justified Use Of Force according to their training
and according to State Statute but according to the
liberal left and the perpetually aggrieved though
politically empowered/politically weaponized urban
constituencies have deemed their actions as "wrong,"
"excessive" and somehow indicative of some kind of
deep seated racial/cultural "bias" that can only be
rooted out "if only enough time, resources and tax
payer treasure" could be burned on the pyre of P.C.
Progressivism = White-Guilt Liberal Fuckery Run Amok.
The sooner those possessed of the mental acuity
and clarity of common sense retake the controls,
the better off and SAFER everyone would be.
Knock resisters down/knock resisters out for
Officer Safety.
Policemen DO NOT HAVE A DUTY/CONDITION OF EMPLOYMENT
TO INCUR/RECEIVE INJURY OR HARM as a show to white-guilt
liberals and the perpetually aggrieved of how inoffensive,
"self-restrained and disciplined" they appear to be.
Put the onus of "self-restraint" and impulse control
upon those whose actions result in The Police having
to close with them and put hands on them.
You, a jury-of-one, take it upon yourself to UNLAWFULLY
resist/assault/batter an Police Officer in the performance
of their sworn duty?
You, a jury-of-one, MUST bear the FULL brunt
and painful cost of your UNLAWFUL action.
Don't want to get knocked-the-fuck-down and or
knocked-the-fuck-out by THE Police?
Don't resist. Don't assault. Don't batter.
The redress for your perceived aggrievement
is via the court The Police compel you to appear
and via a clear-eyed, un-fucked-with complaint
process free of agenda and political considerations.
Sign your name.
Attest under criminal and civil penalty that
what you allege is factual and not an agenda
or flawed narrative driven fiction.
Let "Police Reform" start there.
Or is that way too much to ask?
Unfortunately the ones who are fleeing that shithole state bring their left looney politics to onec nice states. Same with the people who leave Chicago. They go to nice places and turn it into crap if they are allowed to.
Anonymous said...
I actually said out loud “ You’ve got to be kidding “ when I read this. It just gets crazier. My nephew asked me if he should take the job. He’s completed all phases.He’s a big , strong , smart lad. Criminal Justice degree. Perfect candidate. I told him to please go into another profession. I hope he takes my advice.
12/13/2018 03:43:00 AM
Huh?
Big?
Strong?
Smart?
What do you think this is?
Chicago 1960 or something?
The big, strong and smart Cop
is a relic of times never to be seen again.
Do this kid a favor and tell him to forget
about being The Police.
Especially here in Chicago.
Big, strong and smart?
He'll end up being the 60D nail
in a room full of hammers...
More so if he's a Y/T.
He'll never be able to "do anything right"
in this modern era.
Mean and hateful times to
aspire to being The Police.
I actually said out loud “ You’ve got to be kidding “ when I read this. It just gets crazier. My nephew asked me if he should take the job. He’s completed all phases.He’s a big , strong , smart lad. Criminal Justice degree. Perfect candidate. I told him to please go into another profession. I hope he takes my advice.
Good luck explaining to interviewers of any decent company why they should hire a CJ major over say Biology, Engineering, etc. Worse decision of my life studying CJ, absolute worse. Hope all works out for your nephew.
San Francisco is a nut farm. Junkies are allowed to shit everywhere, shoot up everywhere, and assault people just walking by without any repercussion from law enforcement. Street fairs and parades with people fucking in public, thousands of parked cars broken into, and bug eyed crazy mentals on every corner. And the cost of living there is beyond outrageous. Why anyone is still living there is unfathomable.
There's nowhere to sit with all the needles, piss and human feces all over the place anyway.
Next up will be that it's demeaning to handcuff a suspect, offender, defendant
These Libtools won’t address the crime what brought on the police intervention in the first place.
Having criminal folks upright makes for better....what?
If a standing street detainee bolts from the reasonable suspicious stop (if it exists anymore), there’s no authority to chase either?
Is it their standard also, that being chased by police is offensive and demeaning because the optic implies that the chased is involved in some unsubstantiated criminal act?
Even then, if a standee is eventually arrested, CrazyCalifornio lets them go.
If the feral 21st century community made any effort to refrain from criminal activities there wouldn’t be an issue.
California - East Coast celebrates its criminals like no other.
Democrats like in achievable goals and sure like to talk them up.
California is not normal.
The abnormal become elected and re-elected by more abnormal.
Craziness cycle will never end.
There’s just no idea of how bad things can really get of the police began to ignore everything beyond the generation of a report.
I have friends whose daughter just went to SF on her honeymoon about a month ago. Upon returning they both said it was a huge mistake. Filthy, homeless everywhere, drug addicts shooting up, crap filled sidewalks. The young groom got hit on in the hotel bar by hookers with his wife sitting next to him. Upper tier hotel moved their room from the 6th floor to the 16th because of the street arguments by the junkies and bums going on all nite aka the "ghetto whisper". They stayed mainly at the hotel after sundown because they felt unsafe outside. Never again for them and anybody who asks about SF.
Consider that it's shithole San Francisco. Probably doesn't want the criminals sitting in the shit laying in the streets and sidewalks because it costs money to clean the wagons out when it is smeard on the seats. Always follow the money.
Hmmm...
It does appear that the French are fed-up
with the corrosive, nation-wrecking effects
of "Sanctuary" and "Open Borders..."
"French police kill man in shootout during search
for suspect in Christmas market attack"
...And then you have this little amusing nugget:
"Prosecutors opened a terror investigation. More than 700 officers
were deployed to find Chekatt, who had a long criminal record and had
been flagged for extremism," government spokesman Benjamin Griveaux
told CNews television.
Asked about the instructions they received, Griveaux said the focus
was catching Chekatt "as soon as possible," dead or alive, and to
"put an end to the manhunt."
Ain't it ironic?
The FRENCH, of all people, famous for their "Progressive"
mindset and wet-eyed, limp-wristed liberal hand-wringing
in allowing themselves to be swallowed whole by bad and
backwards people seeking to overthrow their way of life
because they've so horrifically shit the beds of their
native lands?
To actively seek to put an end to a dead-end, throw-away,
hyper-violent, throw-away m/fer who has demonstrated his
lack of regard for the trappings of civilized society?
Heh...
It cannot be that there are STILL upright, rightfully irate
men who realize that with Freedom, there are very necessary
constraints and DUTIES that come with said Freedom.
Motherfuck what a Progressive would mumble
under their stinking breath in the aftermath.
They have absolutely no credibility or standing
to inflict their peculiar brand of misery upon
the rest of everybody else because it sounded
like a good idea when it was rattling around in
their heads.
Vive La France.
One down.
Many more to go.
Real police work often mirrors what is seen on TV. That would explain why young CPD officers started using the word ‘perp’ when talking about a suspect or an arrest. After all NYPD Blue was popular at the time.
Who's stopping people/cars?
Labels: out-of-state, out-of-mind
8-12 years ago the wife and I use to enjoy stopping in SF for a few hours or even an occasional over-nighter on our way from Huntington Beach up to Rohnert Park / Petaluma to visit out daughter while she attended Sonoma State University. You couldn't pay me to stop there now, not even for gas.
75% of the city is the bottom of a giant filthy stinky garbage pail. We saw it deteriorate before our eyes. So, so sad.
All of the stories one hears about the aggressive homeless are 100% true. SF has become the nation's example of "How to totally fuck up a city in 10-years or less."
Side note: Believe it or not there are still some small pockets of sanity in CA. This past summer a group of pro-American vets, surfers, bikers and ordinary Americans got a permit and held a rally on the sand in Huntington Beach. The antifa crowd showed up and tried to intimidate the Americans and break up their lawful assembly.
When the antifa pulled out their bike lock chains to use as weapons the Americans beat the living shit out of about 10 of them. And HBPD joined in and kicked some black mask wearing snowflake ass too and hooked up several for assault.
It was awesome to see those punks turn and run like pussys when the coppers didn't let them get away with their shit as they do in Portland and Seattle.
Side note 2: This guy Scott is probably even more fucked up than Granny Clampet. Chicago beware....
If anyone is elected mayor except Vallas, this will happen here. Vote for Vallas before its too late. Daley will rob and let the people and folks run wild. Mendoza will empower illegals. Only Vallas makes sense.
I could be mistaken but I believe I read that those officers were given department issued folding chairs for their suspects to have a seat while being questioned. . Four to each two man car.
Ah yes, demeaning. Should probably forego the handcuffs, too. Wouldn’t want to humiliate anyone.
Unbelievable. Instead of this crap, how about borrowing from a model that actually has a positive impact on crime? Singapore comes to mind. Low crime and clean sidewalks.
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