There Are No Shortages
Unless you live north in a "quiet" neighborhood:
So that's nine officers total patrolling the entirety of the 017 District. Four High Schools have six officers. Five other inside people....and they still managed to send someone to "implicit bias" training. But hey, no bid openings and no plans for any.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:02 AM
97 Comments:
Not on my watch. CPD officer's are smoked.leadership works Monday through Friday.These 6 fig fellas are a joke. Working policeman and woman only.
No wagon either, eh?
17 has been the laughing stock of the CPD for years. It’s the shortest staffed district in the city. which is unbelievable! How does 20 get more POs than 17? Puzzling. Days is a joke. It’s a fucking skeleton crew. 17 has a new commander but it won’t matter. No manpower for you! No one wants tact unless you have 2 years on. Blue cards and bust outs is what the old(never been the police) tact Lt wanted. Good thing the commander saw the incompetence there and made a quick change. Time will tell, but unless there’s manpower it won’t matter. Good luck 17
The solution is easy peasy. Steal bodies from Tact. to do 2nd watch, in costume, for the 13th period. Just have an over-supply of Kleenex for all the crying!
You should see 022. Absurd.
Now that’s utterly embarrassing. It’s not even the popular Christmas vacation season. Wow. How many police officers does that station have? Apparently not many Nice job Aldermen
Stop the complaining, if it means being able to get time due when you want it so be it. It is what it is, wait for back up plain and simple.
Is this a joke?
Looks like a place I wouldn’t want to live. No police
Isn’t that where Barney Rubble works?
That’s actually pretty good compared to 016
Sheets can be FOIA’d and the names will not be blacked out.
Always in a RAP too. For whatever reason headquarters won’t send them manpower Oh well
Bids? Open spots?! Ha! Look at the recent personnel order that just came out. Look at how many PPO’s are getting sent all over the south and west sides. Venture north a little. Look at 025, 018 and 019. Now look how many are going to 017 and 016. You’ll be shocked at what you see...well not really. But hey! Let that little weasel Arena keep lying and saying there are enough cops!
Afternoons and midnights aren’t much better.
The order that came out yesterday had the recruits going all over the city but yet again 017 got 0 bodies. 018/019 combined got about 40 people.
I'm a resident in the 17th district. Can someone clarify what is the ideal number of police officers that should be patrolling this district per shift/watch? Or does anyone know what the overall shortage is for this district?
Thanks.
That’s pathetic. Mismanagement .
Hey those look like 019 sheet almost everyday.
You have no say. The squeaky wheel gets the grease. As long as certain parts of town complain, they get their way.
and only 1 street supervisor assigned to those beat cars
The good is that the 011 district has people tripping over each other. Durring my tenure there, we had 3 roll calls full of p.os with 3 working wagons. All for nothing, protecting what assholes, all day just managing one asshole or another who refused to act like a human. Rarely came across decent people but I know there where some out there. And not to mention all the outside units working as well and VRI. What a waste of manppwer.
If the general public only knew just how many beat cars are up and running on any given midnight shift in 016 - it is scandalous. Thus, the reason it is so hard to find out the number. Rahm can’t have the tax payers finding out they are getting absolutely nothing for their tax dollars.
It’s every man for themselves in the “quiet” districts because there are no police for you. All the cops are protecting the south.
017 has a good crew but good luck getting a day off. Lots of shootings too.
019 is just as bad. 1-5 cars a day, on all watches
Down one more of those cars for IOD!!!!
Cpd needs to pull out Board of Ed and Cta. They can hire whoever they want
or start their own police forces, this is a real disgrace. Cpd via city hall
has no ball to say no.
This is nothing new in the fighting 017th. The district has been shafted for manpower for at least the past 8-10 years. 016 is in the same boat. Commanders have tried to get more manpower with no results. The north end of 017 is getting killed with burglaries. Stop with all the bullshit foot patrols, park checks, and positive community interactions. Have the cars ready and available for assignment before you get someone killed.
You are looking at it from the wrong perspective,there are only 2 Sgt.'s so the "span of control" under current policy takes precedent.Everyone else had to be given the day off or placed in the office so the limit of 7 units per supervisor is adhered to on the street.
And crickets coming from the the Aldercreatures office about this !
Where are the 1000 new police, minus the retirees,minus the new Sgts,and minus the new detectives ?????
Five Officers at early roll call, and four at the late one. No rapids. One Two man car. Must be a quick, quiet, and lonely Roll Call. Oh-man, am I glad I retired...
With manpower like that, why even bother to pretend we are fighting crime? Can 9 officers hold back the devils horde?
Looks like 020!! Getting time due is a joke
I hope they were running short that night because they were having a Christmas party or something like that. Oh wait that couldn’t be it. Only the suck ups on days go to those
Not surprised. People paying the freight in this city have been getting screwed so illegal aliens and the Great Unwashed Democrat Welfare Voter gets everything.
I retired from 017 a short while ago. They've been stripping manpower through attrition for over 10 years now. Make dicks, no problem, new sgts, Ok, couple of retirements, wonderful, PO's bid out, fine. What, you want them replaced? No. They're so short of PO's for the last 5 years, it's dangerous to work there.
No sympathy.
The taxpayers get what they vote for.
But practically speaking: This photo should be retained and used as “Exhibit A” for any civiiian forced to defend themselves via deadly force up in those parts when the Westside comes a knockin’.
Meh...ask and city worker living there their opinion on the city's residency policy and watch the reaction you get.
No sympathy whatsoever for those who pay some of the highest taxes in the city and accept this level of service in return
fu & your implicit bias, aholes
How about allow POs in 017 to work their RDOs in the district like other districts do. It’s BS that white shirts can take a day off whenever they want and the bosses just let others work their RDO or borrow one from another district. But for lowly POs it’s “Time due denied!” How fair is that?
I'm a resident in the 17th district. Can someone clarify what is the ideal number of police officers that should be patrolling this district per shift/watch?
Look at the daily assignment sheet attachment.
Ideally, all those empty boxes should be filled.
White neighborhoods don’t get police. Period. It’s part of our privilege.
I learned my lesson about 10 years ago. Saw an asshole trying to kick my neighbors garage door. I called it in and chased him for a couple blocks. He got away due to a combination of his youth and my frequent consumption of pizza. A sergeant showed up 45 minutes later. We talked about lack of manpower and he apologized. So, be warned if you live in 016 or 017. Sad, their city service doesn’t equal their property tax rate..
What are you talking about? 017 just had 2 openings, that's going to fix everything.
Thanks for posting that lineup.
Wonder what the A&A’s and PCAD shows.
13,000 my ass.
You got to do more with less, this comes from Jugghaid’s Bloated HQ HouseMouse Central, and don’t forget the bulging and needless internment camp called ARP 3-1-1, a complete waste of manpower. The public doesn’t even realize that there’s an entire District is housed there.
And really, are there only 2 Admin Clerks?
Are they Police or Civillian?
Review is a required daily spot too, Unmanned, so who’s fooling who here.
They don’t list “DOWN” anymore ?
(I’ll never forget the dispatcher calling and calling for ‘17xx,Ofc. Down’, 17xx, Ofc. Downs, anyone seen him at roll call...’.)
Lying sack of suds Special Ed’s Transparency is as clear as mud.
Time to put him down.
Be careful out there 016/017 .
Someone in 016 should get SCC the sheets for an entire period !
022 is just as Bad!!!
Anonymous Jiminy Cricket said...
Bids? Open spots?! Ha! Look at the recent personnel order that just came out. Look at how many PPO’s are getting sent all over the south and west sides. Venture north a little. Look at 025, 018 and 019. Now look how many are going to 017 and 016. You’ll be shocked at what you see...well not really. But hey! Let that little weasel Arena keep lying and saying there are enough cops!
12/01/2018 03:01:00 AM
How about continuing to send PPO’s to the south and west sides and letting the po’s out there come up north. Let them go west and south and learn to be the police and then come north.
Call Pam Zekman.
I used to work Security in a medium sized Mall and we would regularly have more people than that working! Kind of shows you how much the city values it's fine, upstanding, tax-paying citizens
Anonymous said...
I'm a resident in the 17th district. Can someone clarify what is the ideal number of police officers that should be patrolling this district per shift/watch? Or does anyone know what the overall shortage is for this district?
Thank
Let me put it this way. In the late 90 s most district, when there were 25, had over 300 in each district.City is budgeted for 12,500 ofcers. Lucky if we have 9000. Between 16 and 17 district u might have a little over 400.. Maybe ask ur alderman where all the money is going.Because the big taxed district sure are not getting its money s worth..
Stop whining and do what you NEED to do. If there are only 7 people and they simply talk amongst themselves, then the Department needs to address it. Grow a set children.
Im ok with everything. Ive been working there for years. I think the foot posts need to handle some jobs. Foot posts were fine when the citt had over 13k officers. It's an optional spot that needs to be erased. You cannot clear back Logs with foot patrol. Paw Patrol is only okay in the central business district because people constantly have some questions to ask.
You’ve heard the liberal idea of “redistribution” of wealth?
This is the liberals “redistribution” of CPD resources..... the majority of which go to a handful of “community” districts.
Georgas and his merry band at it again.
Https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/ChiCops.pdf
14 midnights used to run with less than that for entire summers.
17 has been the laughing stock of the CPD for years. It’s the shortest staffed district in the city. which is unbelievable! How does 20 get more POs than 17? Puzzling.
Oh, boy. When are you ever gonna stop bitching? Tell me how many CHA housings and high rise buildings with condos/apartments in 020 compare to 017? You obviously have something personal against the Lieutenant. Get over it and be happy. You act like an old salty dog.
They should be offering lots of OT
019 is bigger and just as bad. No loss of manpower when they combine districts HA HA HA
This Will tell you how many officers are assigned where. On the far right, click the officer icon for number and the star icon for average length of service.
https://informationportal.igchicago.org/cpd-sworn-officer-unit-assignments/
Other interactive dashboards for information tracked by the OIG and updated regularly:
https://informationportal.igchicago.org/dashboards/public-safety/
Anonymous Anonymous said...
17 has been the laughing stock of the CPD for years. It’s the shortest staffed district in the city. which is unbelievable! How does 20 get more POs than 17? Puzzling. Days is a joke. It’s a fucking skeleton crew. 17 has a new commander but it won’t matter. No manpower for you! No one wants tact unless you have 2 years on. Blue cards and bust outs is what the old(never been the police) tact Lt wanted. Good thing the commander saw the incompetence there and made a quick change. Time will tell, but unless there’s manpower it won’t matter. Good luck 17
All the districts have those problems it’s not just happening in the 17th District. That’s what one should expect when assigned to patrol.
Fascinating: the people who hate the police somehow get the vast majority of Chicago's (scandalously understaffed) policing.
Hey Mike Nolan! Nudder story fer ya.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Call Pam Zekman.
12/01/2018 11:50:00 AM
Don't bother. Rat Face has lost her edge. She just phones it in now.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Sheets can be FOIA’d and the names will not be blacked out.
12/01/2018 02:29:00 AM
The names of the Officers working the cars isn't the point, stupid
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I hope they were running short that night because they were having a Christmas party or something like that. Oh wait that couldn’t be it. Only the suck ups on days go to those
12/01/2018 08:56:00 AM
Spoken like a true asshole!
I've made practically every Christmas/Retirement party in my 32+ years.
I go to the parties to honor and show my gratitude to my fellow Officers that they've successfully made it to the finish line.
There were years I've had a total stroke for a D/C, but I went anyway because its not about THEM!! It's to congratulate my fellow Officers.
You must be one miserable prick
I work there and really don’t give a fuck. 1 year to go.
And the crazy traffic car guy in 017 on days spends most of his time in 020 at his house. I remember when he was in 024 and set his locker on fire and it had ammo in it. What a loon!
Cant get a day off, 15% blah blah blah. Maybe our new leader can go to the 7 Alderthieves and inform them of the police shortage in 017 and how violent crime is soaring, daily RAPS, officer safety concerns.
I remember mids in 013 on weekend summer nights years ago we'd be lucky to have 6 cars and "zero" wagons.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Afternoons and midnights aren’t much better.
The order that came out yesterday had the recruits going all over the city but yet again 017 got 0 bodies. 018/019 combined got about 40 people.
12/01/2018 03:54:00 AM
019 got them because the alderman constantly bugs Kidney Bean about his promise, in front of a room of community leaders, to get the district back to 400 officers. He also gives KB and Rhambo’s email addresses and phone numbers weekly in his newsletter and asks residents to use them to join him in demanding more officers. You think Deb Mell or Arena are doing that?
When is wearing jeans gonna be looked at just that.....wearing jeans. There’s people that would suck a dick to wear jeans on this job. I worked in Near North where there was a whore car appointed by Walsh. Two chick that wore what they wanted, grabbed whores(shooting fish in a barrel on Weed Street)and then Walshy would let em go home. Three hours was a long tour for these girls. Yes, a three hour tour.
I can assure you that a professor was no where to be found in this Clash of mental midgetry.
It was almost as if you went up a grade in The Brave New World if you were wearing jeans.
The whores were transported to Central D so the whore car operators didn’t even have to do that. A guy who recently had triplets was the guy they made go back & forth all night.
Walshy
Could out drink veteran college kids was calling a lot of the shots. His punishment for not keeping his hands to himself in another State was the bar detail. Ouch! Anyone else would be begging for lube, but not Walshy. Walshy(should have been C/O of Major Accidents)then got out of the penalty box and back to A/3(2nd watch btw)suddenly forgets or misplaces a file that effectively ended his career.
As long as Walshy is off the gig he’s still getting Lt’s pension.
Walshy(do they have Highlife)cuz that’s all he gave a crap about.
Ask him once goofin around how many prime numbers there are?
Response “999” and I shit ya not. That’s a test taking Lt for ya.
Duplicitous old man
Jiminy Cricket said...
Bids? Open spots?! Ha! Look at the recent personnel order that just came out. Look at how many PPO’s are getting sent all over the south and west sides. Venture north a little. Look at 025, 018 and 019. Now look how many are going to 017 and 016. You’ll be shocked at what you see...well not really. But hey! Let that little weasel Arena keep lying and saying there are enough cops!
12/01/2018 03:01:00 AM
How about continuing to send PPO’s to the south and west sides and letting the po’s out there come up north. Let them go west and south and learn to be the police and then come north.
12/01/2018 11:40:00 AM
Yeah...unfortunately there’s no such thing as the police anymore. Pay attention to those roll call trainings and refreshers. The old ways are dead. It’s all about community interaction and being punching bags for the entitled libs and shit heads. You can learn to do that anywhere in the city. May as well spread the love so we can get some goddamn days off to spend with families.
I'm a resident in the 17th district. Can someone clarify what is the ideal number of police officers that should be patrolling this district per shift/watch? Or does anyone know what the overall shortage is for this district?
Thanks.
12/01/2018
At least all the cars should be up and available, meaning two officers on each car, plus a wagon. So, maybe 20 police officers a shift. Give or take.
If and when the shit hits the fan, back up is not coming for a while. Be smart stay safe. The bosses don’t give a shit they are safe! So happy to be retired !
Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I hope they were running short that night because they were having a Christmas party or something like that. Oh wait that couldn’t be it. Only the suck ups on days go to those
12/01/2018 08:56:00 AM
Those are the sheets from 2nd watch.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Cant get a day off, 15% blah blah blah. Maybe our new leader can go to the 7 Alderthieves and inform them of the police shortage in 017 and how violent crime is soaring, daily RAPS, officer safety concerns.
12/01/2018 08:36:00
The 15% guarantee is a benefit. The more seniority you have, the more likely you can take time whenever you want (at least if you request it 1 week in advance). They used to be able to deny all time off. At least now they have to give you three days notice if you're denied. If you don't like it, request they bargain for more or less during contract negotiations. Just decide what trade-off will be worth it.
Sauganash rsidents were in habit of calling Lincolnwood cops even in the 70s to respond to stuff. What's new here?
Nine coppers working the street and five on the desk, yep, sounds like 017. Big fire, bad wreck, shooting, there goes all the manpower. Gambling works in vegas, not with peoples lives. GET MORE MANPOWER IN HERE BEFORE YOU GET SOMEONE KILLED OR SERIOUSLY INJURED !!!!.
C'on the City of Chicago,closed 3 police districts and two Area's. Yes the city is low on manpower. CPD is a JOKE!!!!
I worked 017 in the '80s. 3rd Watch would have all 2-man beat cars, 2 wagons, a traffic car, in good weather 2-3 3-wheel motorcycles, 4-5 STRAC (rapid response) cars, 2-3 Sgts and a Field Lt just about every day.
“I'm a resident in the 17th district. Can someone clarify what is the ideal number of police officers that should be patrolling this district per shift/watch?
Look at the daily assignment sheet attachment.
Ideally, all those empty boxes should be filled.“
Wrong. The fact is that we really don’t know how many police officers any district, or the entire department, should have. The City doesn’t want an actual study because it might show that we’re short; the FOP doesnt want a study because it might show that we’re not short.
The arbitrary creation of beats is in no way empirically based.
I bet mt greenwood has plenty of cpd officers on duty
The alderman doesn't care because she's a lame duck.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I'm a resident in the 17th district. Can someone clarify what is the ideal number of police officers that should be patrolling this district per shift/watch? Or does anyone know what the overall shortage is for this district?
Thanks.
12/01/2018
At least all the cars should be up and available, meaning two officers on each car, plus a wagon. So, maybe 20 police officers a shift. Give or take.
12/02/2018 03:18:00 AM
Well, 20 years ago, there were over 300 Policemen in the 017th District.
"A guy who recently had triplets was the guy they made go back & forth all night."
How many licks does it take to get to the center of a disgruntled blow pop?
five on the desk.....don't civilians work the desk...and isn't the lockup in 017 closed?
Walk into 016 on afternoons and there are 4 officers and two civilians on the desk. They hide the officers as station security. Mean while the district is in a back log and the shit birds are stealing everything they can. Your tax dollars at work. Nobody cares.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Walk into 016 on afternoons and there are 4 officers and two civilians on the desk. They hide the officers as station security. Mean while the district is in a back log and the shit birds are stealing everything they can. Your tax dollars at work. Nobody cares.
New commander will take care of that
That's nothing , there are 4 po's and a sgt who started training 15 people since June 1st. they are now down to only 9 people and are still training them. There is an order that says training is 14 weeks ! The kicker is these trainers hide out at a swimming pool at a dilapidated former CPS high school aka Near North. These remaining 9 people in training just swim and all involved work mon thru fri with weekends off. This is a major farce being pulled off by the sgt in charge who thinks he is the real David Hasslehoff of Baywatch. A promotion to a marine unit officer never took this long and these candidates as they are being called ( like new firemen ) are being strung along for one big shit show led by one of the most incompetant and dangerous sgts to ever wear chevrons !
8.32pm Nutball didn’t set his locker on fire, it was another copper he had a beef with. Only his sister’s boyfriend saved him from felony Agg Arson charges
He fucking nuts !! Called a 10-1 in his house when he had a disagreement with a tradesman
Officer DH couldn't care. He'll keep selling bubbleheads!
eliminate 1st watch in districts
assign a CW unit to patrol , respond to in progress calls
hold all paper jobs
baby mama , baby daddy drama can call back after 0800hrs
Anonymous Anonymous said...
And the crazy traffic car guy in 017 on days spends most of his time in 020 at his house. I remember when he was in 024 and set his locker on fire and it had ammo in it. What a loon!
12/01/2018 08:32:00 PM
Is that the whack job that works 0500 start CTA and NOBODY wants to get stuck with him?
Looks like the shitheads are finally catching on! There was a car-jacking tonight at 6239 N. Lemont, heard it on the scanner! Way to keep your citizens safe, rahm, you cocksucker!!!
Don't you mean a Tradeswoman? He had a beef with a prostitute...She's in the Pipefitter's Union..
Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
And the crazy traffic car guy in 017 on days spends most of his time in 020 at his house. I remember when he was in 024 and set his locker on fire and it had ammo in it. What a loon!
12/01/2018 08:32:00 PM
Is that the whack job that works 0500 start CTA and NOBODY wants to get stuck with him?
12/03/2018 03:54:00 PM
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I write his name in every election for an elected office. I can't vote for a republican so I vote for the good old 017 Traffic Man. He'll never win, but he couldn't be too much worse than these collectivist totalitarians that run this gulag. And they interview millenials and they think Joe Stalin, the murderer of maybe as many as 62 MILLION of his own countrymen is just a fine old fella to look up to. IDIOTS ALL. Hell, even Walter Williams acknowledges that the Nazi's are in a distant 3rd place for mass murderers, behind Communist China and the former Soviet Union. The communist Pol Pot killed more of his countrymen than Hitler killed Jewish people. I wonder why these little tidbits of info never seem to be widely heard? But oh yes! Leftist ideologies will save us all! Well, maybe those of us not murdered by them
Anonymous said...
I worked 017 in the '80s. 3rd Watch would have all 2-man beat cars, 2 wagons, a traffic car, in good weather 2-3 3-wheel motorcycles, 4-5 STRAC (rapid response) cars, 2-3 Sgts and a Field Lt just about every day.
12/02/2018 09:36:00 AM
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I worked in 017 at the turn of the millennium and that's what the manpower was then, also. They let the district deplete itself with retirements, sgts, dicks and PO's bidding out that were rarely replaced.
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