Consent Decree Unit Strikes
Rumor out of 006:
- Today in 006, the Consent Decree Unit made its first stop on a whirlwind tour. They advised Captain KM (since the Commander was not in the District) that at any given time, NO SUPERVISOR (Sgt) shall have more than 5 cars.
If the District does not have the necessary Supervisory staff the WOL will down the cars and those officers should work the desk.
Might explain the cancelled “hush hush” order moving 54 Sgt’s to the D Unit.
No more than five cars to supervise? We're sensing a lot of sergeants grinning at their workload.
Down the cars to work the desk? We're sensing a lot of community outrage when 007 ends up with 20 officers on third watch sitting around inside and street manpower cut by 40%.
So are they canceling the 54 sergeants moved to the Detective Division or are they promoting 200 more names off the list?
Down the cars to work the desk? We're sensing a lot of community outrage when 007 ends up with 20 officers on third watch sitting around inside and street manpower cut by 40%.
So are they canceling the 54 sergeants moved to the Detective Division or are they promoting 200 more names off the list?
Labels: department issues, dumb ideas
posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
162 Comments:
good how about our retro check is part of the consent decree. pay up NOW.
Great , So no more time due for Sergeants ever
I'm about 175 out, let's hope this is true!
I have a crazy idea. Just hire more sergeants and give promotion exams more often then the current every 7-10 years or so.
They will never put me in charge.....
Is this a joke?
Shit goes in— shit comes out; that’s this department
That’s awesome 20 people on the desk.
Hooooo...
This... Somehow...
Seems to have potential for being LOTS
of fun if it's played right.
Jiffy-Pop, a 750ml Tripel Karmeliet
and lots of pointing & laughing as
"tha' communerty" chews it's collective
tongue in outrage.
"Where all da Poleece at? Dey needs to
stop summa dis crime up in heah..."
Oh, yeah - this is going to work out just fine....
Perfect excuse to sit at a desk and not offend “community” members who don’t want to be “harassed” by the police. It’s a great chance for the “community” to take care of itself.
Duck and cover....
This is great news.
Perhaps (if true, of course) this will help to tamp down the fire that too many “skulls full of mush” still carry.
Many need to learn that hard lesson.
Let's play make-believe...like we always do. Let's say the 026th district 3rd watch has only one Sgt for the watch, on a given day, and 20 cars to supervise. On paper the Field Lt will take 5, the Sgt will take 5, and then the tact Sgts will take 5. In a pinch 2660 and 2600X will also take cars...in our make believe world. In reality 2620 will handle all those cars and attend to their needs. "Chicago ain't ready for reform yet"-Alderman "Paddy"Bauler.
LOL!! They got what they wanted! Enjoy the shit Show!
No f’n way that they’re making 200 more from this list
The sgt's may be grinning at their workload but they will grimace at their chance of getting elective time off.
Go to 400 be nice
Sounds like a lot of Sgts are not going to be getting much CU.
No way this can be true
Not only are they cancelling the shots moved to the D Unit they sent several back who were only “detailed” there recently within the past 90 days. Major accidents had 4 sets sent back to district who were just recently detailed there. I’m guessing a lot of acts in Cush spots who are only detailed are gonna be going back to districts soon.
Can we use our comp time when we want to now. It would help me mentally to take off my earned time. Hire back district officers if you need the bodies.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Don’t worry officer. Deputy Chief Lemmer will make sure that he does a GPS check if you and the rest of the district to see what time you are going in before check off. This moron is worried about nothing else but his gold star and that’s it. Never mind about the officers on the street. Never mind that an extra few minutes being out of that car and out of the station and in the comfort of your own home can do a ton to not burn a guy out and make home life a little better. Instead, GPS a whole watch and tac teams to see where everyone is because you are worried about burglaries and robberies in the ghetto. Listen, those aren’t gonna stop. 9 for 9 and the last 1 or 2 and I’m stationary in my car not doing a single proactive thing. Never mind lemmer that morale is already at an all time low and officer auicide and stress is at an all time high.. knowing that let’s screw with POs even more. Let’s make their life harder. Let’s make home life harder. You may not realize it but every change you try to make effecting peoples work hours can drastically change and damage something at home. Keep burning people out and keep beating them down for the compstat numbers you idiot. It just shows how disconnected this idiot is with the everyday street level working copper. This guy hasn’t been in Cush spots his whole career and now has the gall to make everyone else’s life harder just because he wants to keep that gold star on the rise or position himself for an outside agency job when he retires. Leave people alone. You are effecting morale more than you know. Also, stop having your little boy toy inspector Dave Harris go out and spar entire watches like he did last week. Harris sparred the entire 2nd watches in 004,006 and 007 for checking off early. Dave Harris, another guy who has never had a hard day at work and had good spots. Dave has never worked a full day on his career and now he’s out there dinging people.. this department gets more and more anti blue shirt by the day.. just like the rest of this city hating cops our own department now does the same.
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Does this surprise you?? The guy has never worked the street. More clueless bosses trying to impress everyone with how they are gonna change the world and have a better idea. Keep beating us down jag off. By the way lemmer, if you haven’t heard a detective just took his own life. Did you read this above post from the poster?? This is real life. There are real stresses and they all mount. It’s not some compstat video game.
I can't stop laughing. routine for 1 sgt up north to log the whole watch by himself and sometimes the whole tact team as well. 17-25 cars on 1 sgt's log and this happens all the time, especially during summer months.
How does one get in touch with the Consent decree unit ?
Is there a Hotline like the DOJ ?
There are several things going on in our unit that need to be addressed.
5 cars for each Sgt. Squad/Team policing coming soon.
Im sensing slot of Sgts not getting time off
Great more supervision
16 doesn't have more than 5 cars up
Who will supervise the desk people when there is no DSS on duty...LT? Hope they have enough chairs!
So all the activists will be screaming when the summer violence occurs...where are the po po's? Residents in the shit neighborhoods have been bitching there's no police service like we do in the "Good" neighborhoods. Im sure this new policy will work out well...now who are we going to blame?
this is gonna be great!
i got no time for sergeants.
To the poster about Lemmer: spot on. He has zero clue about being a beat cop and just doesn't give a shit about beat cops. Trying to kiss ass to set himself up with next mayor. Guys a clown
Downing cars means less cars on the street to respond to your emergency or 10-1. Officer safety takes a hit.
Response times will increase, people will die
KM in charge?...What could go wrong?
Ha!! Study harder next time. You’re lucky list has gone this high!
I had 32 cars a few nights in the late 90’s
Ain’t shit working the desk, get ready for a ton of 4 man cars on the street.
Untrue.
You are looking at this from the wrong perspective, look at it this way, only three sgt.'s available? Only 16 blue shirts needed, UNLIMITED TIME DUE!!!!! No more 15% limit! "OK guys we only have 2 Sgt.s working Memorial Day who wants the day off holiday"! To paraphrase Saul Alinsky "Use the city's stupidity against it"
Please, please, please come to 017. We are short staffed as sh!t.
good how about our retro check is part of the consent decree. pay up NOW...
OUR contract and our raise is WAY over due!
I’m assuming that the masses that thought the police were out of control never thought that this type of nonsense would happen. I can’t wait til the endless back log occurrs and the bosses scratch their heads and try to brainstorm on how to fix this problem. I hope I get to sit on the desk and do nothing.
Anonymous said...
4 or 5 years on the job and working tact what is this job going to
3/10/2019 11:09:00 AM
It’s the only people who the bosses can force to work it. Tac is useless, but hey they can wear jeans and tell one bag dope pinch war stories at the bar. The 003 district 06 and tac cars are average 3 years otj a person. Sgt RJ and Lt MM trying to pad their numbers off the backs of clueless ppos who think they’re the real police.
This is great, I’m tired of other trash sergeants constantly taking off fucking over everyone else, hire more create overtime!
Rahm and the machines girl Maggie Hickey, failed Illinois Inspector General, will only do what the community and the machine wants. While state inspector general hickey never investigated any of the myriad of ethical abuses and corruption perpetrated by madigan/machine and organized crime associates placed in state positions. She is not to be trusted to be independent.
I've been a Sgt for 5 years. I couldn't tell you a time I didn't have at least a two page log. Even when I was a Tact Sgt I usually watched two teams. I had a beast of a time getting CU then. I would say I just became an endentured servant to CPD after this. No CU for you ever SGT!!!!
Jesus H Christ,, when I was working I often had 3 sheets of cars for my log. Admittedly I couldn't supervise properly, all I was doing was recording cars but this new way of doing things is ridiculous.
Lol, Lemmer at it again ! Ol’ Chompers.
If true and I have giant doubts, this is a frontal attack on the fop contract. It starts by making unreasonable demands and then removing union protections to meet the unreasonable demands. Like bid spots on a desk! Adios FOP.
Total B.S. No such unit. Also, how many sgts are they short in the budget? Not that many. Can't just wish 200 more $120,00 a year jobs into existence.
This is pretty funny stuff. The city literally asked for this decree now they’re going to c y they don’t have the funds to meet the minimums. I guess that you as the idea now they can ask for a bigger budget. Promote everyone!!!
Lemmer called out Commander RD at Compstat for 009 having the most excused/time due in the city. Command says thank you. Lemmer had puzzled look on his face. RD says I guess that’s a compliment to my Sgts trying to take care of the troops. Room goes up in laughter. Lemmer was not amused and got pissed. Ever since then the inspectors have been im 009 everyday. Just when you thought morale couldn’t get any lower. This coming from a hack deputy chief who’s probably never put handcuffs on anyone.
Has the former attorney general started working for them yet?
Well, Well, this is starting to get good. Bring more popcorn.
Just make everyone a Sargent!!!! No more problems
Wow: Feral ACTUALLY sentenced for battery against a PO:
http://www.cwbchicago.com/2019/03/7-year-sentence-for-parolee-who.html
Thanks CWB for travking and publishing.
Am I dreaming?
Excellent! think the rest will learn any lessons?
Ok Pollyanna time again
Stay safe and fetal Prayers and many thanks to boys and girls in blue and one judge who did something instead of turning them loose.
This is what happens when you have change forced on an organization that has no clue as to how it operates and the only 'qualifications' they have is a hatred for the police and a big mouth.
Sorry tsking the pollyana commentback regarding guilty feral Feral
Got so excited one off the streets, then read the article. Disgusting. He's soon back out and only smacked on wrist.
Hey Crimesha and Kwimmy: POLICE LIVES MATTER YOU MORONS. START PROSECUTNG AND DO YOUR JOBS. Chicago is truly lost
Former Pollyanna
We all know the truth about what's gonna happen here...CPD had never followed the rules to the letter. There is, in one corner the rules about how we are supposed to do things. Then there in the other corner is how we actually do things. The rules only come in to play when someone gets jammed up. Everybody knows this, and it has been done this way since I was a recruit. They always quote the rule book (General Orders) when things look like they are going sideways, and everyone on paper starts to pucker. This is the "Old Chicago Way" I'm glad I retired. You young gunslingers are going to see a lot more of this in the near future. They will make examples of some people. So do your due diligence in the way of legitimacy.
Sgt's can forget about time due in the near future, and look forward to some mandatory overtime. Day's off etc...That should boost morale. If you have the time on to retire, I strongly urge you to do so. You can easily work for another department where things aren't so "messed" up. Military veterans can buy pension time from their deferred comp. (up to 3 years) It's well worth it! Leave now before they restrict retirements to comply/meet with mandatory department strength orders. Yeah, like that will happen! I have to say, it has all been a carnival dog and pony show for years. But is has been a front row seat to the shit show, and a glass bottom boat ride through the sewers of this city.
If you are going to stay, have a good partner you can trust, and stay fetal. Now more than ever!
It is called " unintended consequences" and I think that you will see a lot more of this as these untrained and law enforcement inexperienced" monitors" start giving orders. It should take a lot of pre-planning to implement this decree and the orders should come from the Superintendent, not some civilian monitor who shows up in the station. I would have refused that " request" from the monitor absent an order from the Superintendent to follow the orders of any monitor. This could turn out like a laurel and Hardy movie.
promote more sgts.....wtf.....get that list to OVER 600
All I can do is grin. I am so glad to have the opportunity to retire. Sit back, give it time, and policy will change...again.
Retired LT that made road trips all over the city to be a WC said:
I call this BS.
Someone walks into 006, identifies themself as part of the CD,
and tells all the the WC these "Rules."
WC says "OK."
It doesn't work this way.
Desk crew... “ we re gonna need to order more pizza!”
There will be more po’s in the district than on the street. Maybe some can replace the station security that won’t be needed, others could hand out radios and a few could help reduce the work load of the overworked front office po’s. Just what the department needs, more po’s inside, less on the street. As a final thought, I thought ratio was 7 to 1, not 5-1
Sounds like a VRI assignment, sweet.
Squad policing is coming
More teams perhaps, but where are they going to find the cars? Too many squads down on repair running at 130,O00 miles on the meter
If the upper echelon plays with this rule, contact the monitors.
They need to dump all of the sergeants out of HQ and IAD.
This is amazing. Seen multiple times 1st watch in 011 with only 2 Sgt’s. 10 cars for a warm summer night in 011? these people are geniuses. I say implement this feverishly. This is wonderful Hahahaha.
There’s a secret list floating around with the sgts detailed to various Bureau of Detective units. It’s so secret and sneaky that it was not posted anywhere. Same old story. The clout moves just get worse and worse. A very small percentage of the people placed have actual, significant detective experience. Then there are the even more secret moves of sgts that are not on the list. But if you check the department databases, the detailed sgts are right there.
There are supposed to be even more sgts getting clout moved soon, so stay tuned! Earned not given!
Where was the consent decree unit when street deputy driver's was caught in a 006th District gambling den?
I love it. Down the cars, we don't have enough Sgt's to supervise 5 cars per Sgt. Lets all work the fuck'n dest. What a joke!!!!
I'm loving it !!!!!!
You can find a surplus of Sergeants hiding at Homan square. There are teams made up of 2 and 4 P/O's to a Sergeant.
Dust off those uniforms and prepare for 12hr. tours sahge.
DSS, CAPS, Tact, Mission, and Admin Sgts all will be utilized, assigned to a Beat for the A&A’s, go back inside and hide.
Absolutely nothing new same old-same old same on paper bullshit.
Either way this is going to be the start of a expensive window dressing on both sides.
Who knows, 21st Century Task Farce could requisition additional merits to level the playing fields.
Stay Fetal
most studies have shown that supervision is generally ineffective when a single supervisor is trying to supervise more than 5 to 7 people.
A lot of puckered buttholes in special units
Lemmer is using the cover of compost to cast a wide net and get back at every copper who dared to stand up to him. And as an inspector, Dave "I never passed a promotional exam, but I'm the shit" Harris is doing the same. Between the 2 of these cancers, it just makes hitting the "submit" key all that much easier.
There should be no reason that tact sgts cant supervise beat cars when need be also on double team days or nights a tact team and Sgt should work the watch when need be along with taking jobs whenever. Sorry rockstars but it is what it is.
5 cars per sgt is no big deal, there is more space on thier log for more cars. But with new young millenials they xant handle stress. Their bloodlines are fragile,sorry but us old timers rock you little kids. We know our stuff.
what authority or rank(none I hope) does this consent decree person have. What happens if the Lt or Capt ignores him?
Hmm this could be great for blue shirts and not so good for sergeants especially with the long hot summer coming where the shootings and killins be goin crzay bro! True we definitely need more supervision to help make any decisions, now at laest you will not have to wait up to an hour for 1 to arrive! This could also help with handling jobs more sergeants cos more jobs, if in a rap sergeants will be available to ride this makes perfect sense!
This will also be in units the airports have already been told, along with narcotics there are no "special units," more supervision everywhere, the millennial police really need to this put down that smart phone,and stop texting like school girls and finally pay attention!
There’s no way for this to work without stacking districts with a lot more sgts. Plus, with this most sgts would never be able to use CU.
nonymous Anonymous said...
Don’t worry officer. Deputy Chief Lemmer will make sure that he does a GPS check if you and the rest of the district to see what time you are going in before check off. This moron is worried about nothing else but his gold star and that’s it. Never mind about the officers on the street. Never mind that an extra few minutes being out of that car and out of the station and in the comfort of your own home can do a ton to not burn a guy out and make home life a little better. Instead, GPS a whole watch and tac teams to see where everyone is because you are worried about burglaries and robberies in the ghetto. Listen, those aren’t gonna stop. 9 for 9 and the last 1 or 2 and I’m stationary in my car not doing a single proactive thing. Never mind lemmer that morale is already at an all time low and officer auicide and stress is at an all time high.. knowing that let’s screw with POs even more. Let’s make their life harder. Let’s make home life harder. You may not realize it but every change you try to make effecting peoples work hours can drastically change and damage something at home. Keep burning people out and keep beating them down for the compstat numbers you idiot. It just shows how disconnected this idiot is with the everyday street level working copper. This guy hasn’t been in Cush spots his whole career and now has the gall to make everyone else’s life harder just because he wants to keep that gold star on the rise or position himself for an outside agency job when he retires. Leave people alone. You are effecting morale more than you know. Also, stop having your little boy toy inspector Dave Harris go out and spar entire watches like he did last week. Harris sparred the entire 2nd watches in 004,006 and 007 for checking off early. Dave Harris, another guy who has never had a hard day at work and had good spots. Dave has never worked a full day on his career and now he’s out there dinging people.. this department gets more and more anti blue shirt by the day.. just like the rest of this city hating cops our own department now does the same.
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This stroke had the nerve to say our numbers were great, but that leaving a few minutes early was unacceptable. As an officer who actually brings something in week to week you can enjoy your zeroes sans VRI activity you incompetent merit hack.
Re:
I'm about 175 out, let's hope this is true!
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You still wouldn’t get the call. 200 dicks will only be 160 off the list. Don’t forget the 40 who will make merit. Lucky for you, the test didn’t consist of math problems.
Lots of suburbs taking laterals and testing for new hires. I reccomend looking for other options. Out of state looks really appealing too. This city is a dumpster fire.
The people who wrote the terms not knowing anything about police work becomes readily apparent
They are making 200 more off this list and cancelling the moves to the D Unit. Request for Sgt Merit packages will be sent out this week. This list ain’t going no where anytime soon. Expect classes of Sgt’s (200) and Det’s (200) split between May, October & December 2019.
I wrongly keep on thinking they can't get any dumber.
Wow , boy toy on the loose ?
Time to clear all the sergeants from headquarters that are nothing more than an overpriced office manager with a gun .
It’s a joke . Leave the backbone of
Anonymous said...
Lemmer called out Commander RD at Compstat for 009 having the most excused/time due in the city. Command says thank you. Lemmer had puzzled look on his face. RD says I guess that’s a compliment to my Sgts trying to take care of the troops. Room goes up in laughter. Lemmer was not amused and got pissed. Ever since then the inspectors have been im 009 everyday. Just when you thought morale couldn’t get any lower. This coming from a hack deputy chief who’s probably never put handcuffs on anyone.
3/11/2019 09:02:00 AM
Not a fan of RD by any stretch of the imagination, but anyone who can put lemmer in his place is alright by me.
When the winds of change blow,
some people build walls and others build windmills.
---old Chinese proverb
They need to dump all of the sergeants out of HQ and IAD....agreed--along with the full duty blue shirts and most of the other white shirts.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
You can find a surplus of Sergeants hiding at Homan square. There are teams made up of 2 and 4 P/O's to a Sergeant.
3/11/2019 01:12:00 PM
And we are hearing that Homan is going to be a ghost town since most of us P.O.’s are going back to districts.
Anonymous said...
Shit goes in— shit comes out; that’s this department
3/11/2019 12:25:00 AM
So much of what inspires and drives CPD policy seems to be
sourced from the South Park episode where people were tied
together A2M?
Marketing genius!
what authority or rank(none I hope) does this consent decree person have. What happens if the Lt or Capt ignores him?
The court has authority dumbass.
Why does the Camaro have to be black:
Catalytic converter thieves target vehicles across South Side
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/catalytic-converter-thieves-target-vehicles-across-south-side/
So this car has been spotted in numerous locations its a late model camaro would look like this:
https://www.google.com/search?q=2015+camaro+black&client=firefox-b-1-d&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiRy9r4lvvgAhWHIZoKHaJeBR0Q_AUIDigB&biw=1440&bih=767#imgrc=RPEmh4LNwAshsM:
Wait small trunk how many can they take and still not be caught?
Close areas , station dicks just like the 40’s .
CAPS should be staffed by civilians , when was the last time a CAPS Officer made an arrest or worked a full tour of duty ?
Beat cars , Tactical Teams run it .
Two more years until I turn 63 and I’m gone , unless they raise the mandatory retirement age .
Build the wall !!!!!!! The one around Chicago.....................
This is gonna suck for the chevron sleeved.
This will be great for desk crews..... it’ll be like musical chairs at the desk.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Don’t worry officer. Deputy Chief Lemmer will make sure that he does a GPS check if you and the rest of the district to see what time you are going in before check off. This moron is worried about nothing else but his gold star and that’s it. Never mind about the officers on the street. Never mind that an extra few minutes being out of that car and out of the station and in the comfort of your own home can do a ton to not burn a guy out and make home life a little better. Instead, GPS a whole watch and tac teams to see where everyone is because you are worried about burglaries and robberies in the ghetto. Listen, those aren’t gonna stop. 9 for 9 and the last 1 or 2 and I’m stationary in my car not doing a single proactive thing. Never mind lemmer that morale is already at an all time low and officer auicide and stress is at an all time high.. knowing that let’s screw with POs even more. Let’s make their life harder. Let’s make home life harder. You may not realize it but every change you try to make effecting peoples work hours can drastically change and damage something at home. Keep burning people out and keep beating them down for the compstat numbers you idiot. It just shows how disconnected this idiot is with the everyday street level working copper. This guy hasn’t been in Cush spots his whole career and now has the gall to make everyone else’s life harder just because he wants to keep that gold star on the rise or position himself for an outside agency job when he retires. Leave people alone. You are effecting morale more than you know. Also, stop having your little boy toy inspector Dave Harris go out and spar entire watches like he did last week. Harris sparred the entire 2nd watches in 004,006 and 007 for checking off early. Dave Harris, another guy who has never had a hard day at work and had good spots. Dave has never worked a full day on his career and now he’s out there dinging people.. this department gets more and more anti blue shirt by the day.. just like the rest of this city hating cops our own department now does the same.
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Does this surprise you?? The guy has never worked the street. More clueless bosses trying to impress everyone with how they are gonna change the world and have a better idea. Keep beating us down jag off. By the way lemmer, if you haven’t heard a detective just took his own life. Did you read this above post from the poster?? This is real life. There are real stresses and they all mount. It’s not some compstat video game.
3/11/2019 01:40:00 AM
Lemmer is, and always has been, a stroke.
Way back in the day when he was in 009 he made a “stellar”arrest for public fornication.
That’s the kind of hand job he is.
They need to dump all of the sergeants out of HQ and IAD.
And all the FULL duty admin officers (Armed Secretaries) from HQ and Homan !!!!
Why continue stirring the pot with this magical “200” number? Ain’t happening! Study for the next test.
They’re implementing a pilot program, but they don’t have to abide by the 1 Sgt for every 10 POs ratio until 2022 (new test).
Only one more small class of Sgts will be made from this list.
IT’S OVER. MOVE ON.
read the facts who is this clown connected to in copa? Politically? Who does he payoff?Shooting a mentally challenged kid no marches no outrage from the fake "men of the cloth?"
City watchdog found shooting of disabled teen by Chicago cop unjustified but recommended only 90-day suspension
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-chicago-police-shooting-discipline-20190309-story.html
8 for 8, 9 for 9 and 10 for 10 is here and it didn’t take swiping. It took SPARS.
In the know...or NOT said...
They are making 200 more off this list and cancelling the moves to the D Unit. Request for Sgt Merit packages will be sent out this week. This list ain’t going no where anytime soon. Expect classes of Sgt’s (200) and Det’s (200) split between May, October & December 2019.
3/11/2019 03:19:00 PM
Ladies and gentleman, here’s another pot stirrer trying to create unnecessary drama. You guys are unbelievable!
Per the Consent Decree!!!
The department will need to have at least one sergeant for every 10 officers on every watch in every district
Ineffective supervision was one of the main defects singled out by the U.S. Department of Justice’s damning 2017 report on the department’s problems. It is unclear what the current officer-to-sergeant count is, but a news release from Madigan’s office last year described the new ratio as lowering the number of officers per supervisor. The consent decree gives the city until 2022 to hit that ratio.
Old retired guy said:
I don't believe this is true, but if is:
1. Each WC could designate ACTING Sgt's for the street.
This has been done before when there was a Lt's test and all the 2nd watch Sgts were taking the test.
FOP would demand seniority. It would be funny if all senior officers refused and someone just off probation was the pretend Sgt.
or FTO's could be designated as the actor. Then PO's would work as acting FTOs.
(Face it, we're all just acting anyway.)
2 Open up citywide special employment for Sgts to work their RDO/furlough. District Sgts could use CU whenever they wanted provided they gave reasonable notice. All the street Sgt's in on a district watch could be outsiders. Would anyone sign up? At time and a half even Sgts in the D-unit and special places would.
(But there would be no quality supervision. LOL, where's the quality in a three page log?)
With either of the above, the assigned district/unit Sgt's would still handle CR#'s and court dev's.
Lots of suburbs taking laterals and testing for new hires
I did and it was the a great decision. Better quality of life. Though going out of state is my ultimate goal.
But yes leave CPD, plenty of decent burbs that pay well with no residency.
Anonymous said...
When the winds of change blow,
some people build walls and others build windmills.
---old Chinese proverb
Confusious Say.....
Man who go to bed with itchy but,
Wake up with stinky finger
Anonymous said...
Why continue stirring the pot with this magical “200” number? Ain’t happening! Study for the next test.
They’re implementing a pilot program, but they don’t have to abide by the 1 Sgt for every 10 POs ratio until 2022 (new test).
Only one more small class of Sgts will be made from this list.
IT’S OVER. MOVE ON.
3/11/2019 06:19:00 PM
Again they have to announce the new test, prep the test, give both parts then score it, and make new list. That’s about year and half away so they probably will make more classes of sergeants.
Anonymous said...
promote more sgts.....wtf.....get that list to OVER 600
3/11/2019 09:54:00 AM
List is at 530 something so it’s very possible since if exam announced , it will be a while for new list to bump the old one.
OT will have to open up in these districts for sergeants to meet the new manpower needs of the department
The department isn't gonna make a bunch of sgt promotions like many are hoping. They will either allow OT and/or detail sgts from neighboring districts.
Consent Decree Unit?
Damn...
Any openings?
The job has become so fake and synerhetic. It’s purely about blue cards and isr’s which is fake news.
It's all good, 014th District downs all 30sector cars every night.
Compliance!!!!
Quis custodiet ipso custodes. Google it. More than 40 years ago I had a professor ask the class...Who can say that America will have only one civil war?
Anonymous said...
“5 cars per sgt is no big deal, there is more space on thier log for more cars. But with new young millenials they xant handle stress. Their bloodlines are fragile,sorry but us old timers rock you little kids. We know our stuff“
You’re a stroke hahaha
Solution to a supervisor for every 5 beat cars , keep current sgts .
Create rank of Corporal , one corporal for every 5 beat cars .
One Sgt. For every five corporals .
Eliminate the useless Captain rank
One Lt. Runs watch , one Lt . Runs the field operations.
If necessary, one field operations Lt . Could cover two districts if necessary.
Captains could replace district commanders
Pay Corporal , same as a detective, but offer Corporal the half hour comp time and quarterly pay
Problem solved, gives More Police Officers a chance to earn a promotion and stay in Patrol .
New schedule coming in 2021. Sup. Sent out an email that in 2020 in order to facilitate proper span of control and team policing they will be piloting new schedules in 6 11 and 15. I'm sure one of those schedules will be 12 hour shifts like Los Angeles.
Ok , what sgt came up with that idea? And how did they convince the w/c that they were with Calea?
Don't give two flying rat asses what kind of ratio that is required by the consent decree whatever that made up term is anyways. The PO's want a fair contract with a retro check. Who gives two shits about a decree it's not our problem. By the way your beat is down blue cards wouldn't want to break u and ur partner up lol ok boss.
It’d be nice if they promoted 170+ off this Sgt list to make up for every one of merit picks that skipped over them. There is no excuse for promoting people who score in the 2,000’s plus if they weren’t shot while on duty.
Finally Sgt Sep will be able to achieve his lifelong goal of 128 hrs OT every week.
Does that mean when Sgt grumpy (024 Third watch) goes home early every other day. can we down the 5 early cars?
Dumb question, but I know many teams in OCD ride 99, especially the covert units.
If you have 4 covert cars and 2 enforcement cars- that may only be 6-8 officers- but it’s still 6 cars.
So now 2 Sgts per team? Smaller teams?
Lots of suburbs taking laterals and testing for new hires
I did and it was the a great decision. Better quality of life. Though going out of state is my ultimate goal.
But yes leave CPD, plenty of decent burbs that pay well with no residency.
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Is there an age requirement? I have been entertaining the thought of a lateral move, but I am in my 40s
They wanted a Consent Decree and now the have one. If half of what I read in the above comments are correct about manpower, Sgts, Lts, availability of cars etc. This will truly be "Krazy Town". Add in the murders, shootings, rapes, robberies; throw in summer festivals, parades, Mag Mile, Grant Park, court time, and so on, will leave the city depleted and eventually unprotected.
That means "Mr. Chalkie" gonna be busy. That also means as the body count increases, more pressure on PD Brass and the new Mayor. There going to have to hire more Officers, add Sgs/Lts; cars that are drivable and maintained and the additional training and a very expensive Training Academy, to go along with Decree requirements. The boys and girls administering to the Consent Decree are going to get lots of surprises about how this Department has been mismanaged and clout driven all these years under the Daily's and Rahm.
Lastly, everyone will be paying MORE Taxes to finance the Decree and maintain it for about 10 years. All brought to you by the master political criminals who have either left office or after the election, will leave office. This is called "Progress". Its the Chicago Way.
Old retired guy said:
I don't believe this is true, but if is:
1. Each WC could designate ACTING Sgt's for the street.
This has been done before when there was a Lt's test and all the 2nd watch Sgts were taking the test.
FOP would demand seniority. It would be funny if all senior officers refused and someone just off probation was the pretend Sgt.
or FTO's could be designated as the actor. Then PO's would work as acting FTOs.
(Face it, we're all just acting anyway.)
2 Open up citywide special employment for Sgts to work their RDO/furlough. District Sgts could use CU whenever they wanted provided they gave reasonable notice. All the street Sgt's in on a district watch could be outsiders. Would anyone sign up? At time and a half even Sgts in the D-unit and special places would.
(But there would be no quality supervision. LOL, where's the quality in a three page log?)
With either of the above, the assigned district/unit Sgt's would still handle CR#'s and court dev's.
3/11/2019 07:47:00 PM
Number 1 wouldn't work. The whole point of the "more supervision" recommended by the bullshit consent decree is more actual supervisors, not P.O.s "acting" as supervisors. They have to make more sergeants and assign them based on actual supervisory needs, instead of how they do it now, just sending everyone but a select few to the shithole districts. There's no reason one district should have one sergeant on the street while another has 11 or 12. Manpower will never be appropriately distributed as long as the morons in charge keep thinking more cars on the street will solve the problems of the ghetto. It's all nonsense, and however they choose to handle it will undoubtedly be completely fucked up. But the bottom line is more sergeants will be made.
Niles is taking laterals now.
Anonymous said...
8 for 8, 9 for 9 and 10 for 10 is here and it didn’t take swiping. It took SPARS.
3/11/2019 06:35:00 PM
And what is wrong with working required hours for the over $100,000 per year?
Pay attention! They moved the Sergeants, they just detailed them instead of a transfer order. Smoke and mirrors!
The CD whiffed pretty bad on the whole issue of supervision.
First off, you have to take into account the quality of the POs being supervised. A good PO can monitor himself and avoid getting into trouble without being checked on at all. On the opposite side, there's hard chargers who would need a Sgt to literally sit in their vehicle the whole night to prevent them from F'ing up.
Secondly, you have to take into account the quality of supervisors. We had a new Sgt recently who had to be taught how to use a PDT during his shift. That Sgt hasn't been on the street for 20 years, if ever. And probably has zero interest in being out there at all, let alone monitoring 5 cars and going to domestics, mental health calls, ect.
Now there's nights (probably alot of night s) where even a good Sgt can't handle his workload. But solving the issue with quantity is like filling a punctured tire with more air. It'll get you a few more miles, but it's still just gonna deflate again. And when incompetence leads incompetence, bad things will always happen, even if the ratio is 1 to 1.
So when this grand plan fails, what's the next step in reform? A quality check of those meritoriously promoted to lead? And a quality check of those hired in the first? Nah, that'd make too much sense.
5 PO's per 1 SGT. I'm loving it !!!!
They are making 200 more off this list and cancelling the moves to the D Unit. Request for Sgt Merit packages will be sent out this week. This list ain’t going no where anytime soon. Expect classes of Sgt’s (200) and Det’s (200) split between May, October & December 2019.
Ah those Sgt’s are already in the areas. Lots of clueless never a Detective no time on the job clouted people. Ain’t life grand.
Total B.S. No such unit. Also, how many sgts are they short in the budget? Not that many. Can't just wish 200 more $120,00 a year jobs into existence.
That’s the problem. CPD is budgeted for around 1296 Sgt’s currently we have 1310. And we’re still way short. Need to increase the staffing numbers. See that’s what this consent decree was all about’ Rahm wanted it done then would ask for Federal dollars to pay for it. Small problem though, Hillary lost!!! Trump hates Rahm won’t give him a dime. That’s why Rahm tried to walk away from the Decree, he knew it would cost millions to implement. One more reason he walked away from the job. Rahm was a total failure. Only enriched himself and other connected people. He did nothing for the city or our pension.
No change. As long as it says there’s 1 Sgt for every 5 P. O’s on paper. Your good. There doesn’t actually have to be bodies.
Desk party!!!! What is that movie where snoop dog has a party on a plane. I imagine the same style desk party!
3/12/2019 04:26:00 AM
No thanks Niles, you have Terry Gainers old driver as your Chief.
Enjoy!
Stop with the lateral bs on here. The grass looks greener on the other side but all you have is different kind of problems. Drive around 8-10-12 hour shifts with nothing to do sounds good but that shit will get old real fast if your relatively young.
Suburbs are typically run by tight ass bossholes and asshole politically connected Chiefs.
Pick your poison.
Current Sargeants list is not going anywhere until 2020. Consent decree slows the process of writing a new test. The consent decree committee has 6 months to review past testing practices, before a new test is written. No vendor has been chosen yet. Earliest part 1 will be is early 2020. As far as money there is a separate budget for the consent decree.A lot of sgts retiring in May.
Anonymous said...
Finally Sgt Sep will be able to achieve his lifelong goal of 128 hrs OT every week.
3/12/2019 12:14:00 AM
Good olde diamond Dave
Anonymous Anonymous said...
what authority or rank(none I hope) does this consent decree person have. What happens if the Lt or Capt ignores him?
3/11/2019 02:06:00 PM
What authority? Your kidding. It a federal consent decree approved by a judge and agreed to by the city. They are letting paid like $450 an hour to oversee the implementation of the decree
Watch and see the Beats get enlarged. Imagine how 435 becomes even bigger and it will be the size of some districts like 007. A few other Beats in the city too. Larger beats means less cars needed. Problem solved.
SAD but I can see it happening.
Is there an age requirement? I have been entertaining the thought of a lateral move, but I am in my 40s
As long as your certified the 35 yoa doesn't apply in IL.
Out of state most don't have any age requirement. So your good to go with any move.
The first year at my new department I took a pay cut but now I'm making more then I was with Cpd and a hell of a lot less b.s.
Niles is taking laterals now.
So are a alot of other people. They are taking recruits right out of the academy after State certification. Even the new guys see little upside in staying on the job.
Lots of suburbs taking laterals and testing for new hires.
Yep, almost an entire class of ppo's "ghosted" the City. Better jobs offers from other places. Hint hint hint contract negotiators for the city. Pay and befits must be commensurate with _______.
Terry gainer was made by Edgar’s organized crime buddies.
The problem with law enforcement in Illinois is there are three pensions for law enforcement, Chicago police Pension fund, the Illinois State Police pension fund and the Suburban Police pension fund all with different rules and funding.
California has just one pension fund for all law enforcement and they can transfer laterally to any department that will hire them. Like Illinois they are all certified by the state as police officers and therefore can work in any jurisdiction in the state. The pension is the thing.
Hey Lateral guys, be careful what you wish for.
Smaller departments mean only 30 to 50 officers, and guess who gets to start on midnights and who will stay there for the next 10 years?
You.
Guess who doesn't have OT opportunities, 365 medical days, all the Personal days and vacation time like we do?
Suburban departments.
In addition:
You have to be your own evidence tech, breath tech, work 12 hour days, be expected to enforce traffic without cease (up to and including DUIs), and if you get on a boss's shitlist (which has been known to happen for something as simple as sticking up for yourself and not tolerating being talked to like a bitch), you can't bid to another watch or district. Because you're on a 30-man dept in the suburbs.
As to getting to live where you want, well, on what you make, you're not living in Naperville, Oak Brook, or Riverside if that's where you work. Your real estate taxes will be the same if not more than on the NW side of the City.
Just give up any notions of Escape from Chicago. Embrace the Suck, Enjoy the Diversity, walk that tightrope between survival and getting eaten alive by the Alinskyite Cook County politician/alligators like the Circus Acrobat you are, relish the chance you'll have to say "Madame Mayor" next time you're on a detail somewhere and the Mayoress shows up for the photo op, stay for your 20, and then leave Chitcago far behind because your reward for eating a shit sandwich for 20 years is they get to pay you the rest of your life. The challenge then will be staying in good enough health that they'll have to pay you for at least another 20.
So I say again,
Be careful what you wish for...
“Stop with the lateral bs on here. The grass looks greener on the other side but all you have is different kind of problems. Drive around 8-10-12 hour shifts with nothing to do sounds good but that shit will get old real fast if your relatively young.
Suburbs are typically run by tight ass bossholes and asshole politically connected Chiefs.
Pick your poison.“
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You’re correct. I’ve know more than a few guys who have worked for suburban departments and still chose CPD. This includes guys with CPD over 10years who lateraled and came back, as well as guys who worked suburbs prior to becoming CPD. Imagine all the terrible micromanaging bosses in your career, that’s the suburbs. Or so I’m told from several friends, former suburban cops and current. Bosses are the worst. Includes Sgt’s. But, who knows, maybe it’s great. Depends on the person I guess.
Lots of suburbs taking laterals and testing for new hires
I did and it was the a great decision. Better quality of life. Though going out of state is my ultimate goal.
But yes leave CPD, plenty of decent burbs that pay well with no residency.
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Is there an age requirement? I have been entertaining the thought of a lateral move, but I am in my 40s
Really all depends on the department that is hiring and what their requirements are.
Hey Lateral guys, be careful what you wish for.
Smaller departments mean only 30 to 50 officers, and guess who gets to start on midnights and who will stay there for the next 10 years?
You.
Guess who doesn't have OT opportunities, 365 medical days, all the Personal days and vacation time like we do?
Suburban departments.
In addition:
You have to be your own evidence tech, breath tech, work 12 hour days, be expected to enforce traffic without cease (up to and including DUIs), and if you get on a boss's shitlist (which has been known to happen for something as simple as sticking up for yourself and not tolerating being talked to like a bitch), you can't bid to another watch or district. Because you're on a 30-man dept in the suburbs.
As to getting to live where you want, well, on what you make, you're not living in Naperville, Oak Brook, or Riverside if that's where you work. Your real estate taxes will be the same if not more than on the NW side of the City.
Just give up any notions of Escape from Chicago. Embrace the Suck, Enjoy the Diversity, walk that tightrope between survival and getting eaten alive by the Alinskyite Cook County politician/alligators like the Circus Acrobat you are, relish the chance you'll have to say "Madame Mayor" next time you're on a detail somewhere and the Mayoress shows up for the photo op, stay for your 20, and then leave Chitcago far behind because your reward for eating a shit sandwich for 20 years is they get to pay you the rest of your life. The challenge then will be staying in good enough health that they'll have to pay you for at least another 20.
So I say again,
Be careful what you wish for...
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Understandable but at least these suburbs are not under a federal concent decree.. And yea you actually have to work in a suburb. You can’t slack off and hide every night like the “stay fetal” people here. Some people still want to do this job and realize it’s impossible to do it in Chicago. I’ll take the micromanaging over a federal concent decree every single day. Did I mention more training and no copa?
Solution to a supervisor for every 5 beat cars , keep current sgts .
Create rank of Corporal , one corporal for every 5 beat cars .
One Sgt. For every five corporals .
Eliminate the useless Captain rank
One Lt. Runs watch , one Lt . Runs the field operations.
If necessary, one field operations Lt . Could cover two districts if necessary.
Captains could replace district commanders
Pay Corporal , same as a detective, but offer Corporal the half hour comp time and quarterly pay
Problem solved, gives More Police Officers a chance to earn a promotion and stay in Patrol .
3/11/2019 11:12:00 PM
Why would you want to add Corprals and pay them less then Sgt’s. Stupid idea stop trying to give away my pay and benefits. If you want to be a. Corporal join the fricken army.
Solution to a supervisor for every 5 beat cars , keep current sgts .
Create rank of Corporal , one corporal for every 5 beat cars .
One Sgt. For every five corporals .
Eliminate the useless Captain rank
One Lt. Runs watch , one Lt . Runs the field operations.
If necessary, one field operations Lt . Could cover two districts if necessary.
Captains could replace district commanders
Pay Corporal , same as a detective, but offer Corporal the half hour comp time and quarterly pay
Problem solved, gives More Police Officers a chance to earn a promotion and stay in Patrol .
3/11/2019 11:12:00 PM
Why would you want to add Corprals and pay them less then Sgt’s. Stupid idea stop trying to give away my pay and benefits. If you want to be a. Corporal join the fricken army.
3/13/2019 08:02:00 AM
Haha... this made me spit my beer out..
Hey Lateral guys, be careful what you wish for.
Smaller departments mean only 30 to 50 officers, and guess who gets to start on midnights and who will stay there for the next 10 years?
You.
Guess who doesn't have OT opportunities, 365 medical days, all the Personal days and vacation time like we do?
Suburban departments.
Somewhat true, yes you will most likely do some time on midnights. But plenty of OT and by working 12 hour days you get way more time off as it is. I can burn 20 hours and have almost 10 days off so your wrong there.
But yes you will have to do some work, it is a job after all, and DUI's are not hard. 9 times of 10 ten you don't even go to court for them because they are settled.
To each their own but yes sometimes a change is good for some.
Clueless.
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