Stop Using Your Phones
Your personal phones that is. You think it isn't going to be subpoenaed? You think it isn't discoverable?
Be sure you see who and what Loevy and Loevy are demanding to be produced, and when it isn't produced, demanding $1,000 per day fines for contempt.
Labels: info for the police
posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
82 Comments:
They can have my phone. All they’ll find is my 76 visits to SCC, Fox News, my solitaire game, and my word cookies game.
That’s a Pandora’s box, where does it end. How far down the rabbit hole will they be allowed to go.
In the near future, everyone is going to be issued a department phone. Has been in the works for some time.
Bring back pagers and pay phones on the corners!
Excellent post, SCC!
This is exactly what I was referencing in my comment in the thread below.
Perhaps being raked over the coals by the likes of Loevy & Loevy, Sam Adams or James Montgomery regarding the content on their phone is the wake up call some of these jackasses need.
If you’re on scene of a heater case in any capacity - paper car, assist car, crime scene car, supervising sergeant, field lieutenant, assigned detective, ET, PFI... you’d best prepare for the likelihood of your electronic communications being entered into evidence. A slick defense attorney knows that painting the police to a jury as corrupt or incompetent could mean all the difference in the world.
And it doesn’t necessarily end with those on the scene. Emails and text messages of Evidence Coordinators, ISP lab techs and latent fingerprint examiners are also fair game. And speaking of fingerprints, ask anyone in the know just how much weight the knowledge of our folks in the latent unit holds in court since there’s no officially recognized SOPs they adhere to when making comparisons.
There’s a relatively newer detective on the floor where I work. She got all of 6 or 7 years on the job and lives on social media. M.R. posts pix on FB declaring herself the “real police” and west side “til I die” (or something along those lines) after working in 011 for 3 or 4 years. She also routinely posts nonsensical ramblings regarding cases she’s involved with, disclosing details that could easily compromise a case and identify of victims. Her partner and others have tried to school her on why detective work ain’t high school, but she summarily dismisses them.
You can bet your sweet ass that examples WILL be made. Don’t say you weren’t warned, kiddies.
They are still demanding phone records and texts from Escalante and McCarthy!
And it seems that judges are giving them leeway to secure these records.
If you read the entire documents you find that this will continue anytime an officer is accused?
They have full rights to demand all documents and records that the accused transmitted or received.
Also others involved in supervision of the alleged member at time of incident to present!
If asked state you do not have a cell phone? Let them get search warrants
If you do that and they find any phones you could be held in contempt of court......
So do not use phone for any work connected matters!
Come and get it ass hats
Why do anything extra.
I say fine Escullente 10k a day. Make it from his personal bank or retirement account too if he can’t pay or refuses to pay
I agree but these motions are not to take your phones and download them. This is only a discovery phase question telling the officers to search your phones and if you still have any emails or text messages still on your phone to print them up and sumbit them to the case. If Corp council asks you if u have any text messages or anything relevant to the case on your phone you respond that you conducted a search and have nothing on your phone pertaining to the case. End of discovery. Later on if they want to push the issue and have information that they know you have something on your phone then they may be able to change your phone copied but held in its original form under seal. If a judge then rules on what specific things can be looked at.. IE messages that were sent between and PO and a commander 3 hours after a shooting and a message between the PO and a detective the next day after the shooting. It doesn’t mean that they look through every shred of your phone dating back 5 years. The judge sets boundaries of what can be looked at. It happens sometimes but it’s not too common. It’s a very expensive process for a lawyer to go through to have it done.
Just do what Hillary Clinton did hammer the phones!
How many tact coppers use their personal phones to communicate with each other when conducting covert surveillance??? Under discovery, it all comes in.
How many coppers call each other during a chase in order to stay off the air??
Again, it all comes in
Any of your cell tower hits, phone calls, text messages, photos, or google searches immediately before, during, and after your surveillance or chase will be turned over for discovery
Did Rahm ever have to turn in his phone?
Good SCC Hunting on that document, man, all 108
pages of it. We have met the enemy and he is us.
I really don't know a way around that. Use burners?
Know any geeks? In that Sacramento thing, Apple
refused to tell police how to backdoor the phone.
Then some nerd hacker does it for free. We're
paying out the nose for cell service vs. other
countries. Could it be we're paying for our own
co-location costs?
Carry a burner at work only.
Wow!
If you don’t have this covered already or aren’t in the process of doing so...you’re an idiot.
This subpoena also includes "private e-mail accounts", and is not just exclusive to cell phones texting, and Twitter accounts.
Time to get a disposable cell flip phone, keep it in my locker, and use it only for work. Even that may be too little, too late, and I may have to go back to a pager...
Bottom line...If you are standing at a crime scene using social media and texting, and sending pics about what you are doing, that info is discoverable. Big Brother is watching.
btw...Why does JE have to turn over his records personally? Why can the subpoena be sent to the cell phone company directly? or Twitter? or the e-mail provider. I don't think it is right that the officer may be responsible for gathering this information. Where is the FOP on this? For that matter the ACLU?
Phones are good for only one thing-- ordering pizzas.
old retired guy
They put the squeeze on Robert Kraft to make an
example of him. Ever hear any other names?
Sheeeeeit, just do what their hero, Hillary Clinton did with her phone and email! If it is ok for her to do it, must be ok for the average cop. Amirite?
even got Jeanine Pirro on the run
Big Media is a Tracker and Punisher
What about all the telephones involved in the LIEtenant's test??
Minnesota Public Radio drops Garrison Keillor.....
Goodbye Prairie Home Companion
(Just a con man; the new Mister Rogers you ain't)
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1984 Redux: ....and so it shall come to pass,
Corporate America will change the communications
model (consumers will think it a Godsend, embrace it,
and make sacrifices to afford it) by largely elimating the
residential land line and public pay phone
....Oh how smart and advanced we have become....
instant 911 service, stock quotes; local, national,
international news; built-in GPS that can work for you or
against you. Imagine that! Citizens will pay for their
own tracking data only to be exploited by advertisers,
marketers, law enforcement
I have a little useful info on this. I was given what is technically just a letter from Charise Valente. head of legal affairs? THe letter requested I hold my personal phone for any evidence of one of the big investigations that happened in Chicago recently. It specifically said personal phone (and the city phone). It did not YET request I submit my phone to the city, but just hold it and any evidence (text/ pictures). This legal affairs letter was initiated just by a written request from the law firm of the plaintiffs in the case. (The city was being sued - wrongful death). Let me clarify a bit here - THERE WAS NO COURT ORDER. It was just a request by the plaintiff's attorney. Charise Valente could have told them to go screw (or the city attorneys could have told the plaintiffs attorney to go screw). But they did not. THey honored a written request by the plaintiff attorney and passed it on to me. That is, apparently, how it works. The phone was never requested to be examined because, I think, the city settled the case. Was a court order required for them to go to the next step and actually take my personal phone? I don't know.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
They are still demanding phone records and texts from Escalante and McCarthy!
And it seems that judges are giving them leeway to secure these records.
If you read the entire documents you find that this will continue anytime an officer is accused?
They have full rights to demand all documents and records that the accused transmitted or received.
Also others involved in supervision of the alleged member at time of incident to present!
If asked state you do not have a cell phone? Let them get search warrants
If you do that and they find any phones you could be held in contempt of court......
So do not use phone for any work connected matters!
3/24/2019 01:43:00 AM
Use burner phones at work, something you can take a hammer to regularly. Leave your own phone at home. If Dept. wants you to use a portable phone they will give you one. Fuck Loevy & Loevy, I've been in there giving a deposition. Lot's of time, lot's of bullshit. I won in Federal District Court and also in 7th Circuit Appeals Court. I was hoping they would try and take it to SCOTUS. Let them waste more of their money.
My favorite is for Ralph Price. He just fell off the face of the earth apparently. Classic Ralph. When the going gets rough, Ralph hides.
At least the others had the balls to step up. What a coward.
From the Loevy & Loevy home page: Feb. 9, 2019
"BREAKING: CPD Officials Hit for Not Producing
FOIA'd Emails About City Business Including Van
Dyke Case"
(this is still available on the Internet for all to see)
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I agree but these motions are not to take your phones and download them. This is only a discovery phase question telling the officers to search your phones and if you still have any emails or text messages still on your phone to print them up and sumbit them to the case. If Corp council asks you if u have any text messages or anything relevant to the case on your phone you respond that you conducted a search and have nothing on your phone pertaining to the case. End of discovery. Later on if they want to push the issue and have information that they know you have something on your phone then they may be able to change your phone copied but held in its original form under seal. If a judge then rules on what specific things can be looked at.. IE messages that were sent between and PO and a commander 3 hours after a shooting and a message between the PO and a detective the next day after the shooting. It doesn’t mean that they look through every shred of your phone dating back 5 years. The judge sets boundaries of what can be looked at. It happens sometimes but it’s not too common. It’s a very expensive process for a lawyer to go through to have it done.
3/24/2019 03:13:00 AM
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so when 25 officers respond "no, there's nothing on my personal phone" that's the end of it? No more investigation? They take our word for it? So what if the case happened 2 years ago? They search through two years worth of you phone's crap?
What is the standard that has to be met before they hold you in contempt for not turning over your phone? Preponderance ? Just wondering here.
STOP! Let me sell my house to a sucker before you wake them all up!
NPR Planet Money Blog, March 22, 2019
Episode 901: Bad Cops Are Expensive
(spoiler: way to mitigate risk: insurance coverage)
Lawyers can ask for whatever they want, with a million a day contempt fine. Doesn't mean it's going to happen.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Come and get it ass hats
3/24/2019 01:46:00 AM
They will, Asshat.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I agree but these motions are not to take your phones and download them. This is only a discovery phase question telling the officers to search your phones and if you still have any emails or text messages still on your phone to print them up and sumbit them to the case. If Corp council asks you if u have any text messages or anything relevant to the case on your phone you respond that you conducted a search and have nothing on your phone pertaining to the case. End of discovery. Later on if they want to push the issue and have information that they know you have something on your phone then they may be able to change your phone copied but held in its original form under seal. If a judge then rules on what specific things can be looked at.. IE messages that were sent between and PO and a commander 3 hours after a shooting and a message between the PO and a detective the next day after the shooting. It doesn’t mean that they look through every shred of your phone dating back 5 years. The judge sets boundaries of what can be looked at. It happens sometimes but it’s not too common. It’s a very expensive process for a lawyer to go through to have it done.
3/24/2019 03:13:00 AM
The rule of law means nothing to the judiciary in Illinois.
Or,the Feds,for that matter.
Weird don't see many exempts names on the list?
NOW i Know why GOO-lie_EMMY has his staff actually call the area for cases like JESSIE the MAGA hat smullett.
Dont worry media affairs i write down what you ask for while my partner listen next to me. YOU pricks love leaking shit then i have to do to/from about leaks.
They’ll still want your phone regardless if you used it or not. Just don’t do anything work related on it.
Anonymous said...
In the near future, everyone is going to be issued a department phone. Has been in the works for some time.
3/24/2019 12:35:00 AM
Wake Up!!! The City phones have already been issued in some districts.
All I want to say is, if you think when you retire you are out of the woods... WRONG! They still can subpoena you're phone records. They are allowed by judges to get you're records. Phones are a double edge sword. You need them in the field but be aware folks. Three years retired, three lawsuits. Second city ( whomever you guys/gals are) keep up the good work.
I'd like to subpoena Loevey n Loevey;s phones and emails too . I'm sure they would reveal some extra ordinary criminal stuff.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Good SCC Hunting on that document, man, all 108
pages of it. We have met the enemy and he is us.
I really don't know a way around that. Use burners?
Know any geeks? In that Sacramento thing, Apple
refused to tell police how to backdoor the phone.
Then some nerd hacker does it for free. We're
paying out the nose for cell service vs. other
countries. Could it be we're paying for our own
co-location costs?
3/24/2019 06:48:00 AM
That “nerd” you speak of is actually an Isreali company called Cellebrite; that charged the FBI one million dollars to access the Apple phones which the terrorists possessed.
Best answer? Leave your cell phones in your personal car during shift. When radios says "Call the Sergeant, tell them you will have to meet him/her at the station as you don't have a cell phone. It's quite liberating actually.
As long as you don't have any police related content you should be fine.
same thing with photo's
That Iphone hack was a gift from the Israeli secret service.
It works by cloning the whole phone and then using brute force to break the password.
Pretty expensive to do.
Just delete the stuff off your phone at the end of the day. Better yet, get a cheap phone you only use at work. I was invovled in a lawsuit, where the complainant's attorney wanted my text messages from almost 3 years ago! I was like, sure, have at it. I also told them that it wasn't my job to gather evidence for them, so subpeona my phone carrier! Best part is, my cell carrier only keeps records of calls and text (and not the content of the text) 18 months back. SO anything they got was way out of the time frame they were looking at. Hahahahahaha!
I recommend all the time to friends in law enforcement to use Signal - https://www.signal.org/
Make crystal-clear voice and video calls to people who live across town, or across the ocean, with no long-distance charges. Signal messages and calls are always end-to-end encrypted and painstakingly engineered to keep your communication safe. We can't read your messages or see your calls, and no one else can either Keep your chat history tidy with messages that you can set to disappear. Choose different disappearing message intervals for each conversation. Everyone in the thread shares the same setting. Good memories will last even if the words vanish.
Something to consider, given the subject.
Grand jury subpoena for Signal user data, Eastern District of Virginia
04 Oct 2016
In the “first half of 2016” (the most specific we’re permitted to be), we received a subpoena from the Eastern District of Virginia. The subpoena required us to provide information about two Signal users for a federal grand jury investigation.
We’ve designed the Signal service to minimize the data we retain about Signal users, so the only information we can produce in response to a request like this is the date and time a user registered with Signal and the last date of a user’s connectivity to the Signal service.
Notably, things we don’t have stored include anything about a user’s contacts (such as the contacts themselves, a hash of the contacts, any other derivative contact information), anything about a user’s groups (such as how many groups a user is in, which groups a user is in, the membership lists of a user’s groups), or any records of who a user has been communicating with.
All message contents are end-to-end encrypted, so we don’t have that information either.
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This is common sense we constantly see coppers glued to the dam phones,always gossiping your worst enemy is yourselves. Leave the dam phones and your personal computers in your locker, your not school kids even though many of the millennial act like it, on facebook and twitter trying to show "we be the real police!" Get with it the real police have sailed they are from an era where police demanded respect and got iy\t. You work for broken down morons carrying a gold badge who are scared and cowards to back up the coppers.
What copper from any past era would let a thug go after being threatened? this is so dangerous and jeopardizes so many coppers showing your scared,and a coward,leadership shows you how to do this and you should immediately resign and get another job. your next sound should be "sir you want fries with that?"
But the department just recently sent us an email with an app to use to help with doing our job using our personal cell phones.
Scratching for something, anything and I don’t think the motion will fly.
If you used your phone, laptop etc. “during work hours” you are subject to turning over the phone or the data?
No, I did not use my phone/laptop/etc. during work hours. I don’t recall.
What was the crime again?
Surrender personal property for the purpose of what?
Phaaaaaaaaaa- Q.
Surrender nothing.
I lost my phone. I don’t recall when.
Want to know the content...get a warrant and dig for it.
This is overreach. The same shit the Dems did to Roger Stone.
We can only assume Gmac and Rahm had more to do with the LacQuan matter, including SpecialEd et al, why is Bros. Loovey focused on Mr.Six?
And for a Corrupt Cook Co Democrat judge to approve such a confiscation shows what biased m-fers they are and the wrath of spineless T.bag Evans.
Oh and wait for the Juicsy Swoll’it case to come up.
Letting this motion be granted, there will be plenty to scour over too.
Then only PO/Dets will have to turn over phones, not SpecialEd, KmmmFxxxUp, Rahm or any stalactitic obamatites.
Remember, your personal opinions matter.
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"I say fine Escullente 10k a day. Make it from his personal bank or retirement account too if he can’t pay or refuses to pay"
3/24/2019 02:13:00 AM
I hope for the sake of a ' friend ' of his at Midway, Escalante doesn't have to pay that fine. Neither he or she can afford it.
No judge is going to issue an order for the search of your cell phone unless they can establish probable cause there is evidence there. Similar to private residence surveillance cameras where the owner tells you the cameras don’t record. No way is a judge going to grant you a warrant just to check.
Buy a cheap disposable prepaid phone and give them that one. Or say you don't take phone to work.
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But the pundits will stay on script and argue their points.
The cellphone business is just a small part of The Machine,
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Don't Give Up. Vote TRUMP. This Democratic Corruption Is
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Anonymous said...
I agree but these motions are not to take your phones and download them. This is only a discovery phase question telling the officers to search your phones and if you still have any emails or text messages still on your phone to print them up and sumbit them to the case. If Corp council asks you if u have any text messages or anything relevant to the case on your phone you respond that you conducted a search and have nothing on your phone pertaining to the case. End of discovery. Later on if they want to push the issue and have information that they know you have something on your phone then they may be able to change your phone copied but held in its original form under seal. If a judge then rules on what specific things can be looked at.. IE messages that were sent between and PO and a commander 3 hours after a shooting and a message between the PO and a detective the next day after the shooting. It doesn’t mean that they look through every shred of your phone dating back 5 years. The judge sets boundaries of what can be looked at. It happens sometimes but it’s not too common. It’s a very expensive process for a lawyer to go through to have it done.
3/24/2019 03:13:00 AM
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If they're going to take my phone, then I'm going to demand that they look at everything on it. Specifically, the dozens of pictures of my genitalia I have on there. And I want them to rate each picture on a scale of 1-10. And no generous ratings just to spare my feelings, I want the cold hard truth in this court of law!
Maybe Gerry and Escalante can get a payday loan.
I use it all the time. My $2400.00 check turns to 1700.00 Rate are fair for the 10 day loan I take. $ 700.00 in interest sustains the jobs of a lot of employee' at PayDay loans and juice. They always have free coffee and donuts for us customers.
There’s a relatively newer detective on the floor where I work. She got all of 6 or 7 years on the job and lives on social media. M.R. posts pix on FB declaring herself the “real police” and west side “til I die” (or something along those lines) after working in 011 for 3 or 4 years. She also routinely posts nonsensical ramblings regarding cases she’s involved with, disclosing details that could easily compromise a case and identify of victims. Her partner and others have tried to school her on why detective work ain’t high school, but she summarily dismisses them.
If that is the goof from 011....omg...she was the police alright....Biggest poser if I ever saw one.
Where does it end ? It ends with you not using YOUR phone to transmit any shitty of chitcago business. Request a Sgt and let them transmit what is needed.
and by the way who the fuck is Brandon Smith in relation to Laquan Mc D'.
As an attorney who has represented police officers on several occasions, I have been warning officers of this for several years. There was an opinion drafted by the Illinois AG office that officers cell phone records were discoverable if used during their tours of duty. There was a recent case involving another law enforcement agency in Illinois where the officer was sending instagram messages to another officer regarding an arrest. It was captured on his in-car camera system so the attorneys knew he was sending messages. Please, please do not be seen using your phones on a scene or while making an arrest as you can expect a subpoena for your personal phone records including apps such as Instagram, Snapchat or Facebook.
Be forewarned...
This is yet another lesson taught
and example being made.
Ignore the ugly reality of what's happening?
Be prepared to learn a costly lesson with
the price paid in skin knocked loose from
the inner parts of your nether regions...
Old Chicago street corner, rooftop, alley
and last car on an old cream & green "el"
car blowing through the electric sewer at
unholy hour in the AM hard knock wisdom
always held that a very hard head makes for
a very sad, sore and sorry ass...
Police Like You Have No Friends.
Everything new is old again.
On May 22, 2006, Studs Terkel, along with other plaintiffs,
including Quentin Young, filed a suit in federal district court
against AT&T Inc., to stop the carrier from giving customer
telephone records to the NSA without a court order.
The lawsuit was dismissed by Judge Matthew F. Kennelly on
July 26, 2006. The Judge cited a "state secrets privilege"
designed to protect national security from being harmed by
lawsuits.
Source: Wikipedia (Studs Terkel)
Yep. Several ETs had their phones inventoried for the JVD debacle. And ask the boys in 011 involved in the Legreer/Jones shooting about having to turn over phones/info on phones. This s#%t is real boys and girls. Forewarned is forearmed.
Everyone should have burner phones for work.
Fuck those bottom feeding leeches Loevy & Loevy
Just another reason why Sir Mike Madigan has no cell phone.
This goes for everyone in the private sector, too. If you have family members who take emails, texts, etc. from their boss (and vice versa), that's all discoverable. Tell your wives to insist that the boss provide a work phone!
Cell phone companies can go back 10 years to retrieve your records, even if you delete them. I called my carrier to ask.
Anonymous said...
Best answer? Leave your cell phones in your personal car during shift. When radios says "Call the Sergeant, tell them you will have to meet him/her at the station as you don't have a cell phone. It's quite liberating actually.
3/24/2019 11:57:00 AM
How about this? Just don’t do anything work related on your phone! No need to leave it in your car. Just be professional and smart. It’s really simple. All this chatter and worry for nothing.
THey honored a written request by the plaintiff attorney and passed it on to me. That is, apparently, how it works.
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The reason they do this is so that you cannot claim you don't know that there is potential evidence on your phone. You're not allowed to destroy evidence or potential evidence. It's a crime. People go to jail for doing so on a regular basis.
So the wiser decisions is to avoid all electronic communication unless done so on a department phone for notification purposes only. Any and all electronic transmission on personal or department phone would be subject to discovery.
Just get a burner phone. Screw em.
stop using your cell phones for all the work B.S.
spread the word. no cell phones. spread the word.
Two words
Burner phone
while at work leave the personal life phone at home or in the glove box.
FYI don't forget if you are required to use your personal phone while working in IL now you must be compensated its that new 2019 law
Police Like You Have No Friends.
3/24/2019 04:43:00 PM
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your post has got to be one of the most exhausting things to read.
btw...Why does JE have to turn over his records personally? Why can the subpoena be sent to the cell phone company directly? or Twitter? or the e-mail provider. I don't think it is right that the officer may be responsible for gathering this information. Where is the FOP on this? For that matter the ACLU?
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if they go after the cell phone company they cannot get the substance of the texts, nor the pictures taken. Some cell phone companies keep the substance of the text for a max of three days. Most do not keep any at all. They need the actual phone for this information.
"The reason they do this is so that you cannot claim you don't know that there is potential evidence on your phone. You're not allowed to destroy evidence or potential evidence. It's a crime. People go to jail for doing so on a regular basis"
Unless your name is Hillary Clinton.
Ummmmmm, we have Department phones, why most people don't sign one out is beyond me.
016 has a problem with PPOs (and FTOs) snapchatting(videoing) while at homes and scenes for service call. Now theres a video of 2 PPOs fresh out of the academy in 016 bragging about "being in the streets without an FTO". Maybe it doesn't help that the FTOs promote this kind of behavior and engage in the antics as well. When some serious shit happens, like a shooting or officers involved in an accident. Maybe they'll learn when their phones are subpoenaed and its shows that they were texting or goofing around. Lesson will be learned by the FTO as well. FTOs are goofing off with the newbies, then everyone is scrambling to figure out what to do next when there's a real situation that needs police attention. 016, you asked for more officers to protect the homefront...you got them. And now they're snapchatting at your homes.
Two words
Burner phone
while at work leave the personal life phone at home or in the glove box.
Better yet: Leave personal phone in locker. Preferably turned off.
Texting, Twittering, SnapChatting etc are all dangerous distractions that may get you hurt or killed.
Your social life will wait.
Anonymous said...
Two words
Burner phone
while at work leave the personal life phone at home or in the glove box.
3/25/2019 04:50:00 AM
you can buy a cheap flip phone at Walmart for 25 bucks and get a months worth of time cheap. Worth it
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