FOID Fees Going Up
And as far as we can tell, no exemptions for police:
- On May 29th, the Illinois state House of Representatives voted 62-52 to pass Senate Bill 1966, sending the amended version back to the state Senate for further consideration. Among other things, they would increase the fees and also impose a mandatory fingerprinting requirement for both new FOID and renewal applications. Please contact your state Senator and urge them to OPPOSE SB 1966. Click the “Take Action” button below to contact your state Senator.
The card will expire in 5 years instead of 10 and the fee goes from $10 to $20. There's also a $150 charge for the State Police to fingerprint and background check every applicant - all of this while the FOID card has been ruled uncontitutional and is currently in front of an Appeals Court.
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
156 Comments:
This bill just stalled in committee.
3 more years til I’m out of this godawful city and state
But asking for an ID to vote is unconstitutional and makes the askee feel marginalized and disenfranchised.
Well then.
So much for the dummies who have put themselves on record for that oh so precious ccw.
And for the idiots who proclaim to be constitutionalists, whilst enforcing unconstitutional infringements upon the dumb citizens of this fucking bent state.
Comply or be lynched by your own state government.
Criminals by unconstitutional law.
As for actual criminals, well, no need to think about them.
They vote democrat.
And thug every democrat vote out of whothefuckever.
Congratulation, illinois.
Send this crap to the U.S. Supreme Court!
This state law makers are out of control. They are raising a ton of fees.
And you need a FOID card to get a CCL license. All of this is waived though if your an illegal waiting for your immigration hearing in four years.
nope,bill is DOA
Retired to a state where you don’t need any FOID or CCL permits / licenses. It’s good to be a free person.
Just got mine. good for 10 more. process was slow. had to call and say I was a police department. left message with id #. cant get thru otherwise. gonna try to get ccl in case I get stripped for doing my job, want to keep my piece to protect myself/family.
These thieving politicians will do anything they can to generate revenue. They have zero shame.
Indiana Carry Licenses Are Now Absolutely Free
http://gunrightswatch.com/news/2019/05/13/indiana/indiana-carry-licenses-are-now-absolutely-free/
And again taxing the law abiding people.
It makes you wounder what they will charge for the 1st amendment licence.
Kathleen Willis is a nitwit trying to make a name for herself. She didnt even write the bill which will not pass in the spring session. She will try again next session . Funny how these people use PAC’s to create their bills. They dont have the brains to do it themselves. Just let anti gun people write them for,you and try and shove them down lawful citizens throats. NOTHING in this bill would have stppoed the Aurora shooter which was their crisis was . NOTHING in this bill will actually stop a criminal from getting or using a gun. But gee whiz it sure sounded like she was doing something . Idiots.
Increase FOID costs! That'll show 'em
It's really not a lot of money but I want to know what they're going to do with that money. Is this going to prevent what happened in Aurora a few months ago? Is it a quick money grab?
Probably the last one
My daughter had to get fingerprinted to be a CPS employee(speech path). She also had to be fingerprinted to get her CCL. Same place. She asked if it could be used for both. "No" was the answer, UNLESS she paid the fee for CPS-which she was reimbursed, and PAY a separate fee for the CCL.
My foster son worked at a local PD with live-scan. The VFW we belong to applied for legalized gambling machines. He offered to print the club officers at our local PD, same system. State said "NO". Had to go to a specified company. Probably Vanecko or Madigan Fingerprinting Services. All at some super high charge. FOLLOW THE MONEY!
Too many of their supporters ie criminal assholes getting blasted... they can’t have that, because then they won’t be able to legitimize thievery from the county jail to slush funds or foreign bank accounts. Gotta keep the number of criminals up so no One asks questions about the jail budgets
Is the price of syringes and hypodermic needles going up? I don’t think so. So take a hit if you got it.
Wonderful news, now all the shitheads will be turned down when there fingerprints are checked by the State Police.
Will the state refund all the FOID money when the card is ruled unconstitutional? There will be some sort of tax increase to raise the money for the refunds or state will be issuing an IOU. Jabba, are you paying attention, chance for another tax coming your way.
Wrong about lawmakers being out of control. The Democrats are now in complete control. Wait until next session they are just getting started. Think it is expensive now just wait. Fatso and friends are coming for ALL your money. That was ASS your money just in case you weren't paying attention. Leave the frigging state NOW. Your only hope of survival.
What chaps my asshole is I was already finger printed for my CCW. How about if I’ve once converted to being a CCW, the FOID is just included for free?
Somehow the bill didn't make it out of the Judicial Committee in the Senate. Some kind of miracle where pigs are flying around...
The whole thing was an abomination from the word "go":
* Shell bill used as the vehicle to sneak it onto the Floor of the House. Original name was "Public Defender - Bail", so they read that 3x, got it on the floor, then...
* Fatass Willis amended the bill to rip out everything in it, and change it to "Fix The FOID Act", and started loading it up with higher fees, reduced time for validity of the unconstitutional license, fingerprint requirements, apply for/renew the FOID in person at ISP facility ONLY, etc...
* When people started complaining that the cost of the FOID, further amendments were made to it to make it more 'palatable' but still kept the worst parts of it...
* Thousands were opposed. Few were proponents. Madigan replaced the "Pro-Gun Democrats" on the House Committee with true anti-2A J/O's... Abomination passes out of committee...
* Abomination hits the House Floor. Thousands still opposed, few proponents.... Passes the House.
* Goes to the Senate for reconciliation - somehow didn't make it out of Committee...
Bet your last $0.01 that these rancid turds will bring it back from the Dead to try and shove it through.
Leaving this ever-worsening State is really the only way to avoid this bullshit. Unless and until the Feds come in and drag the corrupt scum out of the Legislature and Municipalities, etc. this crap is going to keep happening... Other possibilities are even worse to consider.
In the meantime, I don't have time for this crap - I want to raise my kids, live my life w/o having the loss of my house under constant threat due to insanely burdensome property taxes, and w/o having the loss of my life or that of my family due to insane unilaterally-imposed "restorative justice" policies imposed by those who are charged with upholding and enforcing the laws of the land. Time to sell everything, shut the business down, and move from the land where my family's been for 6 generations... Fucking shame... Democrats have destroyed this once Great State.
These democratic lawmakers continue to do everything to give more money to people and folks with programs, and free stuff. And the taxpayers who work pay for it all. All the permanent victim class has to do is vote democratic. And who does Lori think she is saying the casino won’t work in Chicago because it’s evidently not a big enough cut for her patronage army of unqualified democratic socialists and commies.
Illinois is billions and billions of dollars in the red. Anything to make more money. UNBELIEVABLE
It wont matter how much any gun fee is to a gangbanger.
Like always, just keep hurting the law abiding citizens.
The demorats want to provoke a civil war. Just wait until the spygate criminal trials start, and Trump is re-elected. The screaming of the seditious bastards and their media whiners will be heard 24/7.
Why is the department especially Googleme sending hate emails to Cpd employees. Please take this retard with you when you're shown the door miss fenner.
Well that FOID sure starting to feel more like a noose than a permission slip.
The rumor is there were not enough Senate Dems willing to vote for Willis' bill. If it had passed, can you picture the meltdown? You know that JB the Hutt would have signed it.
This bill had SO much going wrong with it, there's no way. Be on the lookup for Willis Lite (well, not the person), peices of this bill one at a time...
If any one of the pieces of this bill or the current FOID Act had been put up to stop voter fraud, can you hear the howling? Fee, card, fingerprints, background check, no felons, no minors with a misdemeanor, permission from the parents if under 21, etc.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
This state law makers are out of control. They are raising a ton of fees.
6/01/2019 12:41:00 AM
All the fee increases, even though the TRUMP economy is giving everyone, including the state, more money???
Just ignint Democrats, doing the only thing they know, tax and spend!
The legal fees on the challenges will eat up any revenue increase.
I absolutely can not wait until the day I leave IL for good. Jay Bee the Hut is about to shove a tax/fee increase right up the working man's ass. The idiot voters in the state keep voting these democrats into office election after election and nothing changes. No other state even has a FOID card. Illinois has some beautiful land outside the Chicago metro area; however, I can not wait to move to a red state for good!
Hahaha! I got lucky for once. Just got my renewed foid. It's good for 10 years and by then, I'll be retired and out of state.
Her proposal would have increased the cost by a factor of 19 times. Go from:$10/ 10 years to $190 for 10 years.
I bet that the increased costs would keep the gang bangers from getting guns and our streets would have been safer. We could go back to sleeping with our doors unlocked at night.
As soon as you pay a permit fee for a Constituionaly protected Right, you enter into a contract that is revokable. You go from God given inalienable Right to protect your family from harm to asking Springfield for permission to own a tool.
1.4 million FOID card holders.
109 fingerprint vendors in the state charging $30 per applicant (according to the bill this is the fee to be charged) equals $42,000,000 dollars.
I am sure some legislators are going to be getting a nice campaign contribution or maybe it is just coincidence.
Legalize pot and punish gun owners. Fuck you Illinois.
You do not have to get fingerprinted to get an Illinois CCL. It just takes longer to process if you don't.
Fuck the State. Buy Ammo and weapons in another state. What is the point 2 follow the law, when u got a SA who don't prosecute violent offenders? We need more political assholes 2 be victims of the same people they release! PERIOD...
Yup, punishing and taxing the legal gun owners will make the crazy people (and folks) shooting and killing people in Chicago disappear.
It's like making all the priests in Chicago pay a tax so the devil goes away.
So they’re also legalizing marijuana... just saying how can they drug test CPD for weed if it’s legal. Booze is legal, can’t drink “on duty.” So off duty in the privacy of our own homes???
Remember, Illinois is billions and billions of dollars in the red as well as Chicago. State NEEDS revenue.
Can't wait to retire. 3 more fuck'n year's of this SHIT HOLE !
Raise more fees and taxes on the workers in order that those who choose to do nothing can have more and keep coming back to the democratic voting trough. Never mentioning we need to shore up our Police Pensions.
Keep voting democrat
One year to go and the madness ends.
Hey 2:06 AM, as soon as you put this line in, "Probably Vanecko or Madigan Fingerprinting Services" you just called bullshit on yourself. GET OVER IT ALREADY!
So, if you already have your prints on file for a CCW, do you need a new set for FOID?
I realize the bill is dead, but what about the next one?
City was blowing up literally with people shot and killed Friday night into Saturday morning.. what a shit show. Let go hey jackass get the stats updated. Waiting for hours for ET’s to come process scenes backlogged with 15 plus shootings
The card will expire in 5 years instead of 10 and the fee goes from $10 to $20. There's also a $150 charge for the State Police to fingerprint and background check every applicant - all of this while the FOID card has been ruled uncontitutional and is currently in front of an Appeals Court.
Labels: gun issues
Yey another burden the average shithead thug doesn't have to deal with...
Off topic: P.O,s stripped from a 2015 off duty bar incident?
It’s allied gun control folks. What pisses me off is why doesn’t the number of ILL STATE RIFLE ASSOCIATION equal the number of gun owners in this state? This is the organization that fought for and got CCW in the state and sue the state for our 2nd amendment rights. Yet most gun owners sit on their ass and let some one else do the footwork. Fine, at least you could join and donate so they can continue the fight.
Of course no exemption for the police, that's 12,000 × 150.00 for fingerprints duh
Whew, I renewed my FOID just in time.
btw, I wish some intrepid ::cough:: 'journalist' would ask any of these gun-grabbing politicians three simple questions: ......
-- 1) How are Universal Background Checks going to prevent any criminal from getting a gun and shooting someone?
-- 2) Why are you now using the Orwellian term 'Gun Safety Law(s)' for your proposed Gun Control Laws? The laws have zero to do with the Safety of guns so why the switch? Is it becasue you think the public will be more easily fooled by the softer terminology, or did some poll find that the American People are way past leery of the Government CONTROLING more of their daily lives?
-- 3) If a Universal Background Check Law was passed and it was subsequently proven to be completely ineffective in reducing any type of 'gun violence', would you favor it being Repealed?
Naturally this will never happen. I swear that today's 'journalists' are all products of Special Education Classes.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
It makes you wounder what they will charge for the 1st amendment licence.
6/01/2019 01:41:00 AM
Oh no Dont give thrm more ideas! Good one though. Here's what they'l do: Some crooked 1/4 brain will attempt it, several 1/8 brains will pass it.
A full brain will challenge it in court, netting lawyers a multi year income, then taxpayers another huge bill from the resulting payout, whilst the original card processing and the state refund processing companies walk away with billions lining the 1/4 and 1/8 brain's pockets because of kick back paddy whack steal the tax payers blind...
How much are they raising fees on the criminals? That's right they don't pay any fees.
Once again only law abiding citizens will comply and pay
If they actually think criminals will obey gun control laws, They are a special kind of stupid
FOID is Unconstitutional. Why do you need to pay for a RIGHT or get finger printed for a RIGHT??????
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/chicago-officers-handcuffed-8-year-old-outside-cold-rain-40-n1011951
Even if half is true... WTF?
Common guys, get your shit together.
Shows lack of training and ZERO keadership.
This is why they pass stupid laws.
https://www.alloutdoor.com/2019/05/31/new-york-state-police-arrest-64-yo-homeowner-killed-2-home-invaders/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_content=2019-06-01&utm_campaign=Weekly+Newsletter
I No longer care. I am moving out of Illinois as soon as my home sells. Illinois has some serious LONG term problems. Term limits should be the first priority, not tax revenues. Good luck. I'm OUT!
The left wants firearms out of our hands because they have plans for us, and they ain’t good.
Wonder how many offenders were legal gun owners?
Burst of violence leaves 31 shot in 22 hours in Chicago
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-met-chicago-shootings-violence-20190601-story.html
Ok Eddie you still be havin more questions than answers? Surprised reforming Lori who in her own words says she was elected “to get shit done!“ So Lori your move are you going to dump all of the exempt to rank positions or are you going to just keep doing as it is always been done and let the killings in their bodies keep dropping on the floor?
Thieving, corrupt, one sided, mush for brains politicians soaking every nickel from the law abiding, tax paying public.
It’s no doubt that ISP is overwhelmed with the mismanagement of the nonsensical FOID, even more so now then ever before with the advent of the just as stupid bs called the CCL.
Nothing of the FOID is cross referenced, old transient addresses are not keep up to date verified, and WHY isn’t it still not linked to State DL or ID, State Entitlements LINK?
The IROCC is a whole other joke, necessity and cost wise, but otherwise a well run system.
Nothing but financial burden albeit rather small for the proposed FOID fees, it does NOTHING to quell the uncontrolled armed violence being perpetrated by the lawless feral of Sanctuary Illinois, Cook County and all those bordering, including Chicago.
Democrat Liberals : Can’t efficiently run any government agency, can’t run any form of prosecution, can’t run a balanced judiciary, can’t run an strict penal system. What exacting do they think raising the FOID to $20 is going do to keep feral thugs shooting at one another or committing armed crime?
Until these bullshitting politicians and the looney lib groups open their eyes and figure out who is committing all the gun crimes and who allows these armed assailants to go unpunished, the clueless pandering liberal elected should get their heads out of one another’s ass before pushing added fees just because a crazed lib group is yapping.
I wish they’d keep their fuvking hands out of my pocket.
Here is what else is so damn stupid,the fact that retirees have to pay EVERY YEAR 100.00 to qualify for their weapons,who the hell was looking out for us when they decided..
Hurry and purchase the "Unconstitutional FOID" as a collector's item so you can frame it and put it on the wall.
Then tell grankids, "That's from back in the day, lemme tell ya, things were so messed up then, get this, I was legal, but the system WASN'T, but I paid into it anyway gol durnit! Don't ever move there kid, chicago just isn't worth it. All the retired government workers living in government housing there..."
Would be nice if the IROCC cards could eliminate the need for an FOID.
Or combine the two somehow?
Oh wait, it’s Illinois so it’s about grabbing the money.
Retired, 30+
Money Grab..
After Jan 1st I’m gonna start eating pot edibles and forget all about the increase.
Well, now that law-abiding citizens are going to have to defend themselves against privileged-class criminals, the number of FOID applications will be skyrocketing, so Illinois is just trying to capitalize on the market that Kim Foxx and the rest of the “restorative justice” idiots (including our new mayor) have created.
Next will be a per-bullet fee for defending yourself against felons who were released from prison after serving a tiny fraction of their sentence. And a death-registration fee if you kill them, not to mention street cleaning fee (cleaning up the blood), hazardous material disposal fee (bloody bandages) and a cemetery assessment, to cover the gala funeral the city will give the hoodlums.
Just part of the cost of living in the Windy City.
Yes! That's it!
Tax the citizens into morality!
Now, about those bad guys.....🤔
OT. 015 is a pilot for NARCAN all officers and civilians have to be trained. OD on heroin get blasted in the nose, refuse any further medical attention be on your way. Don't have to give a name, show I.D. or anything. Get brought back from the brink of death and carry on with the rest of your day trying to score again. But you better get fingerprinted for that FOID card, get a fishing license you have to show I.D. and give your SSN. P.S. "commander" Cato pull your head out of your ass, you can't force in-service training on officers without giving ample notice. YOU fucked up own it, once again a CPD "commander" promoted way beyond his abilities.
The antiquated, useless, will-not-prevent murder FOID system ought to be abolished. None of the killers this weekend in Chicago or the rest of Illinois had a FOID card. And if anyone of them had such a card, that did not stop the killer from killing. By the way, there are a lot of good, non-violent gun owners who do not have a FOID card. They may not have applied for one,or the card may have expired. Yet, Aunt Susie, who never had a FOID card, is not riding around with her "piece" hunting for victims. But don't attack her at the bus stop or invade her house. She will shoot you "grave yard dead."
Firearms are not the problem. If they were, then all police officers, armed security guards, private detectives, CCW licensees, hunters, and armed fishermen -all of whom are armed- ought to be disarmed. Because, if guns are the problem, these people should get rid of their guns. The violent crime rate would dramatically drop. One problem. These people are not responsible for the violence. Go after Thug, who source of the violence. Ponder that.....
Communist bastards!
That's why I don't even write Parkers as a police officer unless it's a handicap one. Never even got pulled over for driving off duty over the years but sure as shit I get about three camera tickets a year at the bullshit parks. Keep doing parkers, Isrs, and Movers you suckers.
Can't tax a constitutional right, hopefully the courts agree.
Well, lets see. If fees are going up 100%, then I would imagine that would be a good starting point for a salary increase in our next contract. Right?
Don't we already pay taxes so the State Police can fingerprint and do background checks? I thought this was standard police work. Or does Officer Fife have to send out for a new fingerprintin' kit? I can go online right now and do a background check on anybody for way less than $150 a pop! Money grab!
Taxes and fees will skyrocket.
This is what Illinois voters want. They made that clear in last year's election.
SCC thanks for the publication, first time I’m posting. We received an email of the thanking kind. The first line read-I normally try to avoid y’alls because we (the police) shoot unarmed people. It then went on to thank 2 officers for helping a person on the blue line. Now another story the other day my wife was getting ready for a party, she looked gorgeous and I let her know, I also said BUT your backside looks a little large in that dress. Well 2 minutes later I woke up, I was on the floor and my left eye was black and blue and growing fast. The truth is I didn’t have a black eye because well the story with my wife not being true, I still know that would not be a smart thing to say. Point I’m making is that the email may have been an oversight on someone’s part but by no means do I believe it was complimentary. In fact I think it was a slap in the face to our department. Good job to the 2 officers, I’m not taking that away. The point I’m making is I just don’t think it should have been posted. Btw I’m leaving my name because I tried to reply but it the email does not allow me to reply to all. I took a screen shot just don’t know how to download to your blog. Thanks Dan OBrien
$170 IL FOID RENEWAL
$ 75 IL CCL RENEWAL
$ 50 IL THREE HR REFRESHER CLASS
$ 92 FL CCW RENEWAL
Not sure if I missed anything. Pretty expensive, just to protect yourself.. legally.
Funny. In not a sibgle media story on the FOID bill have i seen the fact that the old FOIDact was ruled unconstitutional and the current bill puts the old one on unconstitutional steroids.
Media protecting dumb dems like usual....
"It's really not a lot of money but ...."
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But hell! Since when is it OK to be charged for exercising a right??? You wish to attend some church other than the state-sponsored "Powerhouse Church of the Holy Madigan?" That'll be $250 annually to get into the church of your choice. You want access to news outlets other than MSNBC or CNN? Another two-fity. You want to buy books/magazines other than those published by the official US of A Printing Department? Show your permit.
Bullshit democrat hypocrisy. Voter ID is too much of a hardship but reaming law-abiding gunowners is perfectly OK. Willis is an asshole tool for Bloomberg. And she's proud of it.
Anonymous said...
Just got mine. good for 10 more. process was slow. had to call and say I was a police department. left message with id #. cant get thru otherwise. gonna try to get ccl in case I get stripped for doing my job, want to keep my piece to protect myself/family.
6/01/2019 01:08:00 AM
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You may want to ask the State or a lawyer about LEO getting CCL. Was told from ISP not to do that because once you get CCL you no longer are carrying under LEO status and must follow CCL statutes.
The shooting that happened that the democrats are pinning their reasons on for doing this was not the fault of the FOID process, it was the fault of the national name check process which ran the subject's name on three occasions and failed to flag him. The gun grabbers are looking for any excuse to either ban guns or make it just much harder for the law abiding citizen to have a firearm. With over 250,000 FOID cards in Illinois, the fingerprinting line will be lonbg
I think this bill discriminates against migrants especially members of MS13 or those previously deported in violation of federal not state laws. You don't need an ID to obtain a LINK card. You don't need an ID to vote. You don't need an ID to get free healthcare in an American citizen funded hospital or be eligible for free health care. You don't need an ID to enroll your child in a public school or be eligible for the free lunch, breakfast and after school snack programs. Why should you need an ID to obtain a firearm FOID or conceal carry when all the felons in Chicago conceal and carry firearms without any legal consequences in Cook County?
What if your a senior, disabled, an SSI recipient or from a privileged class, exactly how can you afford to pay these fees when everything else government provides is free with no strings attached except your promise to comply vote for the democrat official who makes free stuff possible without interruption.
OT. Mayor Lightfoot gave a shout out to Hey Jackass on John Kass' podcast #190 from 31 May around the 36-39 minute mark when talking about Accountability Monday's for CPD.
this passed the house. it's been floored in the senate. for now.
i've renewed my ccl once and neither time did i submit prints. mot required.
if you don't see leaving soon, join isra. please.
I am totally against this FOID card thing. These laws first are not enforced in a Cook County courtroom with the exception as a justification to confiscate firearms. State photo identification cards are not needed to vote in state, local and federal elections. Voting rights are guaranteed in the Constitution just like firearm ownership namely, the 2nd Amendment Right to Bear Arms is. How selective governments have become. I do believe in prohibiting guns from felons, assorted criminals and those who exhibit mental instability. That's just common sense.
Requiring identification to vote discriminates against minorities whom we are told are unable to afford or even obtain these state issued ID cards. How is it that identification for firearm ownership which requires a state mandated identification card not equally discriminatory and racially biased against minorities? With these high FOID fees it seems that these costs target minorities since state ID cards for voting cost under $20 or so are out of their financial reach and we are told prohibits people from voting. Twenty dollars ($20) for an ID card to vote and $150 to exercise the Right to Bear Arms seems excessive to me. Democrats as a matter of their long held convictions stereotype and profile minorities as poor and unable to sacrifice Twenty Dollars for a state identification card to vote and suggest they are intellectually incapable of solving this problem without government's direct intervention.
How are the poor communities able to defend themselves for a minimum of $150 in costs when they have to rely on government for housing, healthcare, nutritional assistance, utility subsidizing and the like? (Assistance must be a condemnation of eternal poverty and government reliance for poor people who cannot spare a mere $20 for an ID to cast a vote legitimately.)
One hundred and fifty dollars must be prohibitive and discriminatory given the democrat advanced notion of fairness when it come to state imposed fees for firearm ownership and concealed carry licenses. If only LINK cards had had pictures and were accepted as a state identification card for voting and be substituted for an FOID card and the like.
As a bonus a photo LINK card would cut down on fraudulent use saving taxpayers money just like letting criminals out of jail early on parole saves lots of taxpayer money leading to lower taxes for those who contributes to the overall financially stability of the country. And the photo biometrics, like the stuff on driver’s license photos, may identify fraud on these LINK cards by using facial recognition to eliminate redundant fraudulent enrollees and add to the state/national facial recognition databases used by government authorities for permissible purposes.
To get free money and assorted benefits from the state you don’t not need a photo ID. But purchase a firearm/ammunition requires both a state ID or D/L and that FOID card which costs lots of money and inconvenience. You would think with the advancement of computers, your D/L would serve as a proof of identity in a state criminal database to purchase firearms under penalty of perjury. But the inconvenience, harassment, purchasing documentation in another database along with an additional revenue stream is what the FOID is all about.
Can't wait to retire and get the f--K out of this shit state. Make sure to vote to keep the flat tax or due you trust our politicians not to raise our tax base next year?
I hope everyone remembers all of the increases in taxes and fees. The best way to hurt these Reps and Senators is to run someone against them. Even in the primary. This is because the closest thing to them is the money they will have to spend even if they know that they will win.
Once again law abiding citizens pay higher fees and taxes to support the criminals. The same criminals that Foxy refuses to prosecute. ♠️
FOID is all about the money. Fingerprinting at a private establishment? was their a lieutenant or above who left this job as an executive for one of these fingerprinting service companies,
When applying for an FOID, a criminal history is run through a private database we all use. This database and company providing this service is owned by the insurance industry for risk mitigation. Your insurance rates will now factor in legal firearm ownership aa and well as your hunting licenses. The collection of all information is to be used a business intelligence. Apply for a hunting license and this company conducts an inquiry in to your child payment status as required by they law they crafted to ensure your payments are up to date. Even if you don't have child support, your record is rolled into the numerous databases and information services they provide to private business for a fee and government entities for a fee resulting in a subsequent profit. It is a clever trick to pass a state law to check on child support and verification through their private databases to obtain your information when exercising your rights as a hunter and firearm owner.
Without your consent or knowledge, one is placed into [private databases which you don't know about and quite frankly cannot make any inquiries on. And information forwarded now becomes their business record which you cannot view, appeal or make a self initiated inquiry into. Government records can be accessed in a F.O.I. but this private held database cannot be accessed and requires legal action and subsequent court order to even inspect their records whether accurate or not. Its just another intrusion in your privacy and your lifestyle as as a United States Citizen ruled legal by the courts, Your personal lifestyle information can be accessed by unknown people who pay for subscription and are governed by this company's self serving privacy agreement and policies of silence under penalty of civil litigation with monetary damages.
As you see this is a clever way of putting your information in a non public database where this company can sell your information without your consent without your knowledge. This is the same company who has the proprietary software in every courtroom in the country as to nationalize criminal information. Big brother in the private industry utilizing laws and court rulings to infiltrate into the lives of law abiding Americans without any oversight by the everyday people. Money talks people and this company boasts billions in revenues with their numerous affiliated information collection and business intelligence services companies.
the message....get out of Illinois, anyway, anyhow
Anonymous said...
Wonder how many offenders were legal gun owners?
Burst of violence leaves 31 shot in 22 hours in Chicago
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-met-chicago-shootings-violence-20190601-story.html
Ok Eddie you still be havin more questions than answers? Surprised reforming Lori who in her own words says she was elected “to get shit done!“ So Lori your move are you going to dump all of the exempt to rank positions or are you going to just keep doing as it is always been done and let the killings in their bodies keep dropping on the floor?
6/01/2019 10:21:00 AM
The updated 31 shot in less than 12 hours Eddie should be terminated immediately if not sooner, along with the laughable exempt band of clowns.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-met-chicago-shootings-violence-20190601-story.html#nt=oft13a-1gp1
When you get printed for the CCL you have a choice, paper or electronic. Paper takes longer and costs less, electronic is quicker, but you go into the FBI database just like a felon. Now you're in there forever. Now you gotta remember to bring gloves or wipe up after any altercation.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Hey 2:06 AM, as soon as you put this line in, "Probably Vanecko or Madigan Fingerprinting Services" you just called bullshit on yourself. GET OVER IT ALREADY!
6/01/2019 08:53:00 AM
Hey it’s nice to see R.J. reads the blog! Hey bud, been in any bar fights with guys 1/2 your size lately?
FUCK YOU, MADIGAN AND VANECKO.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Just got mine. good for 10 more. process was slow. had to call and say I was a police department. left message with id #. cant get thru otherwise. gonna try to get ccl in case I get stripped for doing my job, want to keep my piece to protect myself/family.
6/01/2019 01:08:00 AM
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You may want to ask the State or a lawyer about LEO getting CCL. Was told from ISP not to do that because once you get CCL you no longer are carrying under LEO status and must follow CCL statutes.
6/01/2019 01:24:00 PM
Just because a ISP is well groomed and dressed immaculately doesn't make them experts in law. I have a CCL after I was stripped and I suggest everyone get one. 22 states recognize Illinois CCL including Wisconsin and Indiana so there's no confusion with those states even though we have a badge.
You may want to ask the State or a lawyer about LEO getting CCL. Was told from ISP not to do that because once you get CCL you no longer are carrying under LEO status and must follow CCL statutes.
6/01/2019 01:24:00 PM
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Maybe you’re retarded, but he said IF HE GETS STRIPPED. IF HE GETS STRIPPED HE’S NOT CARRYING UNDER THE DEPARTMENT’S AUTHORITY ANYWAY.
Also anyone who would advise you that if you get a CCL you’re not carrying under LEO status (for those who aren’t stripped) is a moron. What the hell sense does that make? Identify yourself as a police officer before you shoot the cocksucker and viola- - you are acting as the police, Powers which we enjoy 24/7/365. Having a CCL has no bearing on it.
But hell! Since when is it OK to be charged for exercising a right??? You wish to attend some church other than the state-sponsored "Powerhouse Church of the Holy Madigan?" That'll be $250 annually to get into the church of your choice. You want access to news outlets other than MSNBC or CNN? Another two-fity. You want to buy books/magazines other than those published by the official US of A Printing Department? Show your permit.
Speak you opinion while it is allowed, next year it might cost you a fee..after you pass the background check and your prints clear.
P.S. Is the address you have listed with the State current and do you have a fourth amendment permit ?
Anonymous said...
"It's really not a lot of money but ...."
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But hell! Since when is it OK to be charged for exercising a right??? You wish to attend some church other than the state-sponsored "Powerhouse Church of the Holy Madigan?" That'll be $250 annually to get into the church of your choice. You want access to news outlets other than MSNBC or CNN? Another two-fity. You want to buy books/magazines other than those published by the official US of A Printing Department? Show your permit.
Bullshit democrat hypocrisy. Voter ID is too much of a hardship but reaming law-abiding gunowners is perfectly OK. Willis is an asshole tool for Bloomberg. And she's proud of it.
6/01/2019 01:22:00 PM
Bloomberg best buds with Hellary Clinton. IMO He's evil personified.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
This is why they pass stupid laws.
https://www.alloutdoor.com/2019/05/31/new-york-state-police-arrest-64-yo-homeowner-killed-2-home-invaders/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_content=2019-06-01&utm_campaign=Weekly+Newsletter
6/01/2019 09:34:00 AM
All - we should start a go fund me for all gun owners. Wow this isn't even the ghetto lottery. crazy
Burke flew to LA this morning out of O’Hare on American, was seen checking multiple hard suitcases. Was with the guy Dick Wolf from Law and Order and some attorney I recognized from tv. What’s that all about?
Breaking news...…
Illinois is now considering taxing you for polluting the air each time you fart.
Anonymous said...
What chaps my asshole is I was already finger printed for my CCW. How about if I’ve once converted to being a CCW, the FOID is just included for free?
6/01/2019 06:11:00 AM
NO - additional costs - this is Hellinoys the big pocket picking state. Nothing is free unless you're illegal or feral.
Some input about legalizing marijuana. Ask yourself? Will city and state employees been able to join the party? Will liability insurance skyrocket? Who will hire people that can’t pass a drug test? Do you want, people that reek of weed, to represent your company? Do you want to buy stuff or negotiate with a person that’s buzzed? Who wants to enter an apartment that’s one big reefer cloud?there will be more accidents related to this also. This should be kept in the privacy of your home. Plus, all revenue generated will be quickly pissed away by the spendaholics.and, people in the city don’t have enough brain cells to burn....
It doubly pisses me off when people who have absolutely no self-control (Jabba, Willis, vis eating disorders) try to tell us law-abiding citizens who have practiced a lifetime of self-control and restraint how to live our lives. Yeah, I went there. Sorry, I would be a fat pig too if I did whatever I wanted to do. It takes a lot of effort to reign in those desires. People with self-respect rise to the challenge. Try putting down the fork once in a while. No, I'm not sorry for pointing out the obvious. People with no self-control seem to have a tendency to project their shortcomings on people they disagree with.
O/T: Sound Familar?
Another "CROWN JEWEL" city seems to have a similar affliction to our own diamond in the midwest.
LAPD Fined Over $5,000 for Filthy Conditions, Rats at Downtown Station Where Officer Got Typhoid Fever; Union Says 5 Others Show Symptoms
https://ktla.com/2019/05/30/lapd-fined-over-5000-for-filthy-conditions-and-rats-at-downtown-station-where-employee-fell-ill/
Illinois is billions and billions of dollars in the red as is Chicago. Illinois needs the revenue.
Does the FOP have a position on this FOID bullshit???
Illinois is billions and billions of dollars in the red as is Chicago. Illinois needs the revenue.
6/01/2019 09:41:00 PM
Thank you, hog.
Hog insists on it's need.
It's need is more.
Always more.
Billions and billions more.
For hog.
Feed hog.
Hog hungry.
The financial criminals in Springfield along with the fat ass tax cheat Governor are progressively increasing taxes and will continue their feeding at the Public Trough. Madigan the self styled Soviet criminal politician got his way again. Don't wait for the citizens to wake up, they are generally compliant and will never change. Those that can will flee Illinois.
The best chance of any change in the Democratic Socialist style corrupt government is the Feds do a "Burke " on Madigan and the IRS do the same to the fat, sweaty, jowl like creature know as Jabba da Hutt.
https://www.alloutdoor.com/2019/05/31/new-york-state-police-arrest-64-yo-homeowner-killed-2-home-invaders/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_content=2019-06-01&utm_campaign=Weekly+Newsletter
The State of New York, like Chicago, does not follow the Constitution of the United States or SCOTUS decisions it doesn't agree with.
The democrats are full blown anti-American communists.
ccl: do they take your gun/guns if you are stripped? Would having a ccl prevent this and allow you to protect yourself like a normal citizen??? Are the ccl rules better for you than the the LEO rules. If you shoot a guy with a knife drawn and displayed, do you do time????? I would think Leo supersedes CCl in a police action incident. If they strip you without ccl, what gun do you have to defend yourself????
All these $millions in new revenue for weed, doubling the gas tax, FOID card increase. The more money you give to politicians the more they will piss away to stay in power.
Illinois is billions and billions of dollars in the red as is Chicago. Illinois needs the revenue.
6/01/2019 09:41:00 PM
...and the best way to get it, rather than slash budgets, and trim the fat, is to increase taxes on those with something to lose.
rb
And again taxing the law abiding people.
6/01/2019 01:36:00 AM
They're the only ones who will pay it, the ones with something to lose.
rb
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Thieving, corrupt, one sided, mush for brains politicians soaking every nickel from the law abiding, tax paying public.
It’s no doubt that ISP is overwhelmed with the mismanagement of the nonsensical FOID, even more so now then ever before with the advent of the just as stupid bs called the CCL.
Nothing of the FOID is cross referenced, old transient addresses are not keep up to date verified, and WHY isn’t it still not linked to State DL or ID, State Entitlements LINK?
The IROCC is a whole other joke, necessity and cost wise, but otherwise a well run system.
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Speaking of IROCC, anybody know of a certified rangemaster in Illinois who gives the LEOSA license test cheaper than the thieves at IROCC?
I am a retired LEO from a suburban department. I have qualified each and every year through The Illinois Retired Officers Concealed Carry Program (I.R.O.C.C.) My FOID card expired on May 8th. I applied for a renewal of my card in early April on line and received an e-mail confirmation from I.S.P. Department of Firearm Regulation that they received my application and $10 payment. They further stated that I would receive my new card in approximately 30 days.
I tried contacting via e-mail and telephone after a month and a half to find out why I didn't receive my new card. No response from them by e-mail and I spent over one and a half hours on hold on the phone and my phone battery died. The following day I tried to call them @ 0805 hrs, right after they supposedly opened for business and I got a recorded message saying "All our repa are busy serving other callers and call back later." The call was then disconnected.
Now it is going on nearly two months since my F.O.I.D card expired so I can't carry concealed or buy ammunition until I receive my new card and have no way to contact The I.S.P.. The question I have is, is this some type of new way to control guns by keeping law abiding citizens like me from having an F.O.I.D. card or is there another more sinister motive behind what is going on?
Does anyone out there have any ideas?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
It doubly pisses me off when people who have absolutely no self-control (Jabba, Willis, vis eating disorders) try to tell us law-abiding citizens who have practiced a lifetime of self-control and restraint how to live our lives. Yeah, I went there. Sorry, I would be a fat pig too if I did whatever I wanted to do. It takes a lot of effort to reign in those desires. People with self-respect rise to the challenge. Try putting down the fork once in a while. No, I'm not sorry for pointing out the obvious. People with no self-control seem to have a tendency to project their shortcomings on people they disagree with.
6/01/2019 09:08:00
He does look like that Monty Python character, Mr. Creosote, who explodes after eating a gluttonous meal.
Anyone remember when they wanted to control the emissions from gas powered lawnmowers. How about the proposed tax on all suburbanites coming into the city of chicago to work. Our new governor king fatso has his fingers stuck in the bread pudding and is drooling all over himself. He is even scaring stone face madigan who has been quiet lately. Was he talking to burke about the big tuna ????.
I love living in Florida! No state tax, no need for FOID card and best of all, I could be openly republican!!!
I am a retired LEO from a suburban department. I have qualified each and every year through The Illinois Retired Officers Concealed Carry Program (I.R.O.C.C.) My FOID card expired on May 8th. I applied for a renewal of my card in early April on line and received an e-mail confirmation from I.S.P. Department of Firearm Regulation that they received my application and $10 payment. They further stated that I would receive my new card in approximately 30 days.
I tried contacting via e-mail and telephone after a month and a half to find out why I didn't receive my new card. No response from them by e-mail and I spent over one and a half hours on hold on the phone and my phone battery died. The following day I tried to call them @ 0805 hrs, right after they supposedly opened for business and I got a recorded message saying "All our repa are busy serving other callers and call back later." The call was then disconnected.
Now it is going on nearly two months since my F.O.I.D card expired so I can't carry concealed or buy ammunition until I receive my new card and have no way to contact The I.S.P.. The question I have is, is this some type of new way to control guns by keeping law abiding citizens like me from having an F.O.I.D. card or is there another more sinister motive behind what is going on?
Does anyone out there have any ideas?
Answer:
I have been retired for 5 years,
And just stopped going each year to shoot!
They give CCL 5 years
But LEO only 1 year?
It’s only a money maker!
As for FOID mine was revoked and reissued two times?
Why?
When asked, the civilian had to transfer me to State Trooper Supervisor!
Who could not explain why, and re issued the FOID?
Why do other states have no problem using the state Drivers License as the form of record during gun purchases?
Again another money maker?
FOID will soon be ruled unconstitutional. This I'd flash money grab by the state. If they can double the fees, then they will recoup some losses when no more FOID.
I qualified in Lombard on Thursday and my IROCC card was in my mailbox Saturday. Luck of the draw I guess.
Need to be fingerprinted and pay a fee for your right guarantee under the constitution, but you can vote for president with no ID. The democratic way.
Anonymous - There are cities, that tax people coming into them. Especially ones that are accessible only by toll bridges.
6/02/2019 01:13:00 AM
I went thru the same BS with the FOID crew in Springfield. Fuck it, don't let it bother you, you will get your FOID eventually. In the meantime carry. Nobody will ask for your FOID as long as you have your retired button.
*** Update ***
Fix the FOID is dead this session; Senate committee never held a vote on it.
The FOID case is before the Illinois Supreme Court, because it ruled the FOID Act unconstitutional because it requires a citizen to pay a fee to exercise a constitutional right, and dismissed the criminal charge for not having a FOID card while in her own home. The White County circuit judge's rulings here:http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?app=core&module=attach§ion=attach&attach_id=23213
Federal law does not recognize a citizens firearms rights. They leave it to the individusl states.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/chicago-officers-handcuffed-8-year-old-outside-cold-rain-40-n1011951
Even if half is true... WTF?
Common guys, get your shit together.
Shows lack of training and ZERO keadership.
6/01/2019 09:32:00 AM
And you believe ANY of this crap on NBC?
Moron.
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Speaking of IROCC, anybody know of a certified rangemaster in Illinois who gives the LEOSA license test cheaper than the thieves at IROCC?
6/02/2019 01:00:00 AM
The "certified rangemaster" doesn't charge the fee.
Goof.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Illinois is billions and billions of dollars in the red as is Chicago. Illinois needs the revenue.
6/01/2019 09:41:00 PM
They have plenty of revenue.
They just spend more than they take in.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Does the FOP have a position on this FOID bullshit???
6/01/2019 10:06:00 PM
Yep. Ignore it and maybe it'll go away.
Same position they take on everything.
Government a la carte'! Example: the fire department. We're already paying their salaries and benefits through our taxes, but if you call for an ambulance you are then billed AGAIN!
And every gangbanger, illegal and homeless person in need of an ambulance is paid for by us also!
United States Supreme Court will rule on the extreme left wing legislation doing away with the FOID requirement to exercise your 2nd Amendment rights!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I am a retired LEO from a suburban department. I have qualified each and every year through The Illinois Retired Officers Concealed Carry Program (I.R.O.C.C.) My FOID card expired on May 8th. I applied for a renewal of my card in early April on line and received an e-mail confirmation from I.S.P. Department of Firearm Regulation that they received my application and $10 payment. They further stated that I would receive my new card in approximately 30 days.
I tried contacting via e-mail and telephone after a month and a half to find out why I didn't receive my new card. No response from them by e-mail and I spent over one and a half hours on hold on the phone and my phone battery died. The following day I tried to call them @ 0805 hrs, right after they supposedly opened for business and I got a recorded message saying "All our repa are busy serving other callers and call back later." The call was then disconnected.
Now it is going on nearly two months since my F.O.I.D card expired so I can't carry concealed or buy ammunition until I receive my new card and have no way to contact The I.S.P.. The question I have is, is this some type of new way to control guns by keeping law abiding citizens like me from having an F.O.I.D. card or is there another more sinister motive behind what is going on?
Does anyone out there have any ideas?
6/02/2019 01:13:00 AM
My idea is to move to Indiana or Wisconsin.... both states with no tax on retirement and multiple ways to qualify for LEOSA PLUS no FOID..... and you can still carry in Illinois...
I retired from ISP and what has been posted is true about what we were told at a retiree qualification shoot.
According to ISP, do NOT get a CCL as you fall under the restrictions of Illinois CCL law and not under 18 USC 926c statute.
Whether this is true or not I do not know, but this is what was told to us and they said this opinion came from the ISP law department.
My FOID has been expired since April....it’s still “under review” wtf.
TO JUNE 2, at 1:13 a.m.
Gov Bruce Rauner signs bill to give FOID card holders 60-day renewal grace period
by WICS News Team/Fox Illinois News TeamFriday, August 17th 2018
AA
Gov Bruce Rauner signs bill to give FOID card holders 60-day renewal grace period. (WICS)
PRESS RELEASE —
SPRINGFIELD — Gov. Bruce Rauner today signed legislation that gives gun owners a 60-day grace period to keep their Firearms Owners Identification Card active while their renewal application is being processed, even if the processing period extends beyond the card’s expiration date.
Previously, FOID cards were deemed invalid if they expired during the renewal process.
“We shouldn’t punish gun owners who make every effort to get their renewal applications in on time,” Rauner said. “This grace period will ensure there is no interruption in their rights to keep their firearms.”
House Bill 4855 also gives Illinois State Police 60 business days, instead of 30 calendar days, to review and approve renewal applications that are received in a timely manner.
“This is a win-win solution to problems for both gun owners and the ISP regarding FOID card suspensions, revocations and renewals,” said State Police Director Leo Schmitz.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I am a retired LEO from a suburban department. I have qualified each and every year through The Illinois Retired Officers Concealed Carry Program (I.R.O.C.C.) My FOID card expired on May 8th. I applied for a renewal of my card in early April on line and received an e-mail confirmation from I.S.P. Department of Firearm Regulation that they received my application and $10 payment. They further stated that I would receive my new card in approximately 30 days.
I tried contacting via e-mail and telephone after a month and a half to find out why I didn't receive my new card. No response from them by e-mail and I spent over one and a half hours on hold on the phone and my phone battery died. The following day I tried to call them @ 0805 hrs, right after they supposedly opened for business and I got a recorded message saying "All our repa are busy serving other callers and call back later." The call was then disconnected.
Now it is going on nearly two months since my F.O.I.D card expired so I can't carry concealed or buy ammunition until I receive my new card and have no way to contact The I.S.P.. The question I have is, is this some type of new way to control guns by keeping law abiding citizens like me from having an F.O.I.D. card or is there another more sinister motive behind what is going on?
Does anyone out there have any ideas?
6/02/2019 01:13:00 AM
Walk into your State Reps Office with your Retired Credentials and tell them what's going on.
I had my dad do that last week and his Cred's showed up 5 days later with an apology note.
I am hoping, in fact I am praying, that there are many more federal indictments coming down soon on alderpersons and state legislatures and maybe one or two from the county board. The feds have over 9 thousand phone recordings on Burke and two years with Solis. The federal wiretaps can't keep going for more then a few months unless they are producing something criminal, so it looks like the feds have one large investigation going. I hope that Lightfoot cleans up the police department, takes the politics and identity BS out and start treating the police like human beings with some respect.
Does anyone out there have any ideas?
6/02/2019 01:13:00 AM
I might have to agree with you on this one. I tried to renew my card on-line and it would not allow me to do so. I have to look at the law again as I did hear that your old card is still good while your application for renewal is pending, but I am not sure. Things will only get worse if we need to be printed every five years
Not to worry, the pension question will most likely be on the state ballot in 2020 to alter the constitution. The demand for this is rising from the public and from the media so it looks like there will be two questions on the ballot to alter the constitution. It looks like New Jersey is in the process of putting all government employees, except police, fire and judges, on a 401K and social security.
court rulings to infiltrate into the lives of law abiding Americans without any oversight by the everyday people. Money talks people and this company boasts billions in revenues with their numerous affiliated information collection and business intelligence services companies.
6/01/2019 04:03:00 PM
Yes, I am in that business and you are right on the money.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Federal law does not recognize a citizens firearms rights. They leave it to the individusl states.
6/02/2019 09:19:00 AM
Are you kidding me? I hope you are not a police officer. The federal government already recognizes a citizens firearms rights, it is called the 2nd amendment, and they arent referring to firearm ownership for hunting, it is there for protection from an out of control government. It is a GOD given right spelled out in the Constitution, not something the government allows if you jump through certain hoops so you can own a 12 gauge to shoot ducks.
And i bet you are one of those who think our form of government is a democracy too.
To the CCL holder with the expired FOID—-
When you get your FOID back; verify the status of your CCL. Most likely it will be revoked due to not having a valid FOID. Instant felony.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Government a la carte'! Example: the fire department. We're already paying their salaries and benefits through our taxes, but if you call for an ambulance you are then billed AGAIN!
And every gangbanger, illegal and homeless person in need of an ambulance is paid for by us also!
6/02/2019 09:46:00 AM
Yes and that ambo ride is NOT cheap. Neither is ER. They come after non-ferals with all kinds of legal stuff if you don't pay.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
- “Does anyone out there have any ideas?” @ 6/02/2019 01:13:00 AM
- “I might have to agree with you on this one. I tried to renew my card on-line and it would not allow me to do so.” @ 6/02/2019 02:36:00 PM
I renewed my FOID in ‘18 and since did the IROCC in ‘19 thereafter and got both cards in the mail quickly within the stated timeframes.
For FOID renewal, they may have purged old records or didn’t update when they transitioned the newer system.
With the FOID be sure you register or just re-register a new account of your online user and password.
If I recall it didn’t recognize my info so I established a new user/password and no problems with the renewal going through in late 2018.
The only cleaning up will be those stupid enough to be caught on tape will be replaced by those smart enough to avoid being recorded. The more it changes the more it stays the same. Chicago will never run out of the connected crooks. Will be un o watch those caught on the tapes. Bet there is a lot of lost sleep. Those few cooperating first will get the best deals, who knows could go all the way to 9.5 and Shortshanks.
Retired to Tennessee after 29 YOJ. I got a lifetime cll retired police officer for $100. No yearly qualification, good in 38 states not as good as irrocc. But I can do open carry down here or conceal carry. Works great for me.
Retire early
For the record, all answers to FOID/CCL are on their site -> https://www.ispfsb.com/Public/FOID.aspx
**if you're really lazy *** (you're welcome)
Illinois State Police
Firearms Services Bureau
801 South 7th Street
Suite 400 – M
Springfield, Illinois 62703
Telephone: 217-782-7980
Fax: 217-782-9139
ASK_FOID@isp.state.il.us
ASK_CCL@isp.state.il.us
Do keep in mind, all facets of ISP (and really every Illinois DEPT) is grossly understaffed/funded. I want to say there are maybe 5-10 people in there trying to process THOUSANDS of calls/emails/inquiries.. etc
Back on topic, SCC, I'd wager this is a knee jerk reaction to "kill" 2 birds with one stone -> raise taxes/fees (darn, no spending or saving ideas) and attempt to make it look like something is happening after the Aurora shooting (look what we can do, more laws instead of boots on the ground)
sorry, retired and had my coffee this morning...
stay safe folks
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I am a retired LEO from a suburban department. I have qualified each and every year through The Illinois Retired Officers Concealed Carry Program (I.R.O.C.C.) My FOID card expired on May 8th. I applied for a renewal of my card in early April on line and received an e-mail confirmation from I.S.P. Department of Firearm Regulation that they received my application and $10 payment. They further stated that I would receive my new card in approximately 30 days.
I tried contacting via e-mail and telephone after a month and a half to find out why I didn't receive my new card. No response from them by e-mail and I spent over one and a half hours on hold on the phone and my phone battery died. The following day I tried to call them @ 0805 hrs, right after they supposedly opened for business and I got a recorded message saying "All our repa are busy serving other callers and call back later." The call was then disconnected.
Now it is going on nearly two months since my F.O.I.D card expired so I can't carry concealed or buy ammunition until I receive my new card and have no way to contact The I.S.P.. The question I have is, is this some type of new way to control guns by keeping law abiding citizens like me from having an F.O.I.D. card or is there another more sinister motive behind what is going on?
Does anyone out there have any ideas?
6/02/2019 01:13:00 AM
ISP is a corrupt Agency, run by Socialists.
FOID Card requirements are UnConstitutional. Violation of the Infringement Clause of the 2nd Amendment.
I am a retired LEO from a suburban department. I have qualified each and every year through The Illinois Retired Officers Concealed Carry Program (I.R.O.C.C.) My FOID card expired on May 8th. I applied for a renewal of my card in early April on line and received an e-mail confirmation from I.S.P. Department of Firearm Regulation that they received my application and $10 payment. They further stated that I would receive my new card in approximately 30 days.
I tried contacting via e-mail and telephone after a month and a half to find out why I didn't receive my new card. No response from them by e-mail and I spent over one and a half hours on hold on the phone and my phone battery died. The following day I tried to call them @ 0805 hrs, right after they supposedly opened for business and I got a recorded message saying "All our repa are busy serving other callers and call back later." The call was then disconnected.
Now it is going on nearly two months since my F.O.I.D card expired so I can't carry concealed or buy ammunition until I receive my new card and have no way to contact The I.S.P.. The question I have is, is this some type of new way to control guns by keeping law abiding citizens like me from having an F.O.I.D. card or is there another more sinister motive behind what is going on?
Does anyone out there have any ideas?
MOVE OUT OF STATE LoL Stop voting for Morrooons
"Federal law does not recognize a citizens firearm rights they leave it to the states" whoever posted this stupid comment should look at how many times the supreme court has bitch slapped cities like New York, Chicago LA for violating citizens rights to possess firearms....oh wait you must be a libtard member of the far left that knows jack shit about our constitution specifically the second amendment. Carry on.
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