Hey Graham?
You might want to think about filing for arbitration.
Immediately.
We're just saying, after watching the City Council meeting and reviewing Lightgroot's statements this past weekend, we'd all be better off.
Immediately.
We're just saying, after watching the City Council meeting and reviewing Lightgroot's statements this past weekend, we'd all be better off.
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
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Since arbitration is unavoidable, let's get it done. Get is a fair contract and give us our raise!
Don't tell the hardcore Bernie supporters that the getting is good thanks to Trump, but the economy has been right for a descent contract for some time now.
Relax, Rahm promises he will fund the Pension Fund.
Another proposal the F.O.P should look into is that any holiday and the two days before and after that are mandatorily canceled should be paid at triple time. This should be considered a job and not someones life. We would like to spend time with our families on the rare occasions we are off holidays. Holidays are not emergency events.
We got fucked last time with 1 and 2%while other city unions got better.
What are we paying you people for?
Lightfoot cuts down Alderman Ed Burke at first City Council meeting. She should have nicer to him because he could introduce her to his tailor, she would look so fine with a pinstriped suit and a white fedora!
They’re too stupid. They won’t. Vote them all out. And please don’t vote the Donahue/Doherty idiots back in, either.
I heard the City is going to throw in more cars and even cameras to sweeten this contract!
We better get all the pay increases we can! They are raising taxes and fees! Also they want to increase the minimum wage, which decreases our buying power! We will be the losers if we don’t get a huge pay increase!
Keep voting DemocRATS! The DemocRATS party is not the same party as it was in the 70’s or 80’s. They are walking you all into the poor house! You are all going freely! Oh and your house isn’t going to be worth anything! Wait, when they build all those prefabricated house for 40% less, if the taxs doesn’t drive the value down enough, than new homes being built for just about half will.
What everyone reading the blog no longer has is much time! Sell, rent, retire, move and vote another party!
1st and 16th and Netflix in between boys. You got the police you wanted aldermen.
"While dealing with violence remains a top concern, Lightfoot also announced a new push for accountability for police officers and aldermen alike."
"It's long overdue that the City Council act swiftly in the first 100 days to pass the ordinance proposed by the Grass Roots Alliance for Police Accountability, or GAPA, to create civilian oversight of the Chicago Police Department." (ABC7 News reporting)
The Democrats are brilliant at creating strawman situations. They can't and won't hold their base accountable and responsible for the violence because they need their votes, plus if they said anything about the community there would be even more hell to pay. Just remember poverty is causing crime. It even causes rapes! Send in even more money to the community, that will fix the problem! Create a diversion go after the police, blame them, hold them accountable, stick it in their ass, they will take it and do nothing about it.
I really need the retro check to help my family...I mean racetrack.
Sell the store for a hearty pay raise! Lets take the money and run. Nothing worth fighting over, the city is lost. Get payed and make it worth it. When moving take everything with you. Leave nothing. I so badly want to retire and leave.
15 years and I’m counting the days.
need big raise in this environment.
Fat neck refuses to go to arbitration.. this is the FOP of “we should have done this”. Like we should have tried to get involved in the consent decree but we sat on our hands.. now they again are gonna play games and sit on their hands now and get US burned again. File NOW!!
With the Federal minimum wage at $7.25 and Chicago wanting to increase the minimum wage to $15.00 an hour we should get a hefty raise. We should get double the National average. Are liquidity potential is being negatively affected when we pay more for services or purchases with such a high minimum wage. We should be up to 150,000 a year at 9161, to keep up with the costs that are put on us. As far as the contact goes who cares. Just pay us. The city is not going to be around in 50 years. The dam politicians messed the place up.
I don't understand his reasoning for delaying arbitration. If you are naive enough to believe that the City is going to negotiate in good faith, you are going to vote for Kamala.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
Both parties have to make a reasonable attempt to negotiate before an impasse can be declared. Then you can go to arbitration, they have been trying recently. It probably will come soon. They have to present us an offer before arbitration begins.
Another proposal the F.O.P should look into is that any holiday and the two days before and after that are mandatorily canceled should be paid at triple time. This should be considered a job and not someones life. We would like to spend time with our families on the rare occasions we are off holidays. Holidays are not emergency events.
Last time around duty availability was stripped from us and the city agreed to buy new squad cars as a "benefit." As if the city wouldn't need to buy new squad cars at some point anyway. So triple pay more than likely is out of reach.
My partner hits the medical each time his RDO is canceled. I can't blame him for it, he always says WTF is the point of pushing a beat car in patrol if the city violates the agreement anyway. Patrol is shit on and abused like any other unit in this Department.
We need to top out at 4.5 years like settle 106,000.00.
I am a young officer (otj over 2 years). I still do some proactive police work( I know the veterans will say I’m stupid). I am starting to contemplate about becoming fetal. With the ungrateful city council and some of the citizens in this city why should I go out there and bust my ass and rick losing it all for nothing. Because I am starting to realize that this city and department will throw us under the bus like it was nothing. I love this job, it’s all I wanted since I was a kid. I still believe it’s the best job in the world. But with this anti police city Council I am losing hope. This city Council acts like we are the ones committing the crime. So like I said earlier, I truly believe that being fetal is in my near future, it’s the best thing to do for my livelihood and future, until we get a city council that supports us.
So F.O.P. Get off of your lazy asses and get us a fair contract or we will vote you out.
Also stop siting around doing nothing while we get blasted in the media all day long. # DO SOMETHING!!!!
Get us 100,000.00 or more after 5 years otj. That outdated pay scale needs to go.
The cost of living in this city just keeps going up.
We deserve it with all the excessive accountability and more responsibility that they keep throwing at us.
Graham has to cut his deal for post-president spot with Lori first. New boss means new deal.
Forget about it. Whens the golf outing?
What we need now is unity and not in-fighting. Most of the members do not have the slightest idea what goes into contract talks. I recently retired but was involved in the discussions until I left and I gotta tell you the talks were confrontational and loud many times. We went back and forth and this has to be done until you reach a point where there is no meaningful discussion. When that happens you file your intent to go to an arbitrator. If you file too early you will be told to go back to the table and try again. I dont have the same horses in the race as you working guys/gals but no matter who is in the hot seats at FOP, they need our support. Be Safe!
P.O. John Catanzara was front and center again at the city hall speakers forum . This guy stands up for the police on his own time too. He got my Fop vote
Time for active 9161s to form own union. We need better pizza.
Don't tell the hardcore Bernie supporters that the getting is good thanks to Trump, but the economy has been right for a descent contract for some time now.
5/30/2019 12:14:00 AM
The contract negotiation process has been in descent for some time. Bring back decent pizza.
The entire FOP from the prez to the board and trustee's are the disfunctional organization ever to be in the public spotlight.
What a joke!
At board meeting in October 2017, a motion was brought to the floor by greg bella to not intervene in the consent decree. This after Kevin Graham had been told multiple time by board members that Lisa Madigan was on bullshit from the get go. A motion was brought to the floor by Greg Bella to not intervene and leave as is. This vote speaks for itself:
VOTED TO NOT INTERVENE:
Jay Ryan - 3rd Vp
Mike Garza - financial sec
Greg Bella - recording sec
John Capparelli - treasurer
Jim jaksavitch - sgt / arms
Bill Burns - sgt / arms
Dean Angelo
Harold brown
Andy Cantore
Carlos Salazar
Mike Mette
Sergio Escobedo
Joe Gentile
Dan Gorman
Frank Quinn
Ron Shogren
Pat Duckhorn
Ken Hauser
Rick King
Voted TO Intervene
Murray - 1st Vp
Prieb - 2nd Vp
Trevino
Mike Underwood
Bill Dougherty
Mark Donahue
Mark Tamlo
Fernando Flores
The bottom line was this: Lisa Madigan had full control and we had none unless we got involved. Now we are stuck with this for years to come.
How about spending money on a spokesman, Graham comes across as not prepared
Arbitration now! Before GAPA and the newly elected AlderCreatures figure out which way the Earth revolves.
Retired.38 spl +P
Except for a pay raise, we are better off under this contract.
As to FOP "looking into" any new proposal, it's too late. There is a system here. All of the proposals were voted on at the beginning of negotiations almost 2 years ago. Also, we have bigger things to worry about rather than a day off being cancelled. Haven't you heard about the new Discipline Matrix the city gave FOP? Okay, let's get paid triple time for a cancelled day off but get suspended for 21 days for profanity. Wake up people.
What's the saying??? "Keep what we got, don't give nothing up.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I really need the retro check to help my family...I mean racetrack.
5/30/2019 01:31:00 AM
Finally an honest guy
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Since arbitration is unavoidable, let's get it done. Get is a fair contract and give us our raise!
5/30/2019 12:08:00 AM
Easier said than done. There is a process and it takes forever. Meetings have to take place and after nothing has been done, you have to establish one side is not meeting their obligation of negotiations. Only then can you ask for arbitration
Easy to stall. New negotiating team, new mayor, trying to make a proposal, etc
Sell the store for a hearty pay raise! Lets take the money and run. Nothing worth fighting over, the city is lost. Get payed and make it worth it. When moving take everything with you. Leave nothing. I so badly want to retire and leave.
15 years and I’m counting the days.
...Youre stuck if you own a house who the hell would buy it
you have a long five yrs to half a pension the state can half$ you
Ask for the world!!! More V-days P-days big raises etc. How about a fat COLA for forced residency???? Times have changed. Living in Chicago isn’t what is was 20+ years ago. We need to be compensated!
Anonymous said...
I heard the City is going to throw in more cars and even cameras to sweeten this contract!
5/30/2019 12:51:00 AM
Hahahahaha!!!! That’s something Dean Angelo would have jumped on. What a joke that was. Equipment has nothing to do with us. If the city doesn’t want to equip us that’s their problem. All the city has to do is take away the entitled take home car people. Instantly add 100+ cars to the patrol division.
Wanna bet City Hall posturing attorney pool already shopped an arbiter.
LightLoafer will ignore the Contract as it is, demand massive pro-commurnity rework - but willing to bend over just like Rahm for the CTU-CPS next month deadline.
Need to cut the CPD in HAlf Put more officers and supervisors on the street
End the perks the take home cars etc
Martin will write his book about JVD and have it published with movie rights sold before the contract gets settled. Graham will be 29 and a day before long as well. So long suckers!
Another proposal the F.O.P should look into is that any holiday and the two days before and after that are mandatorily canceled should be paid at triple time. This should be considered a job and not someones life. We would like to spend time with our families on the rare occasions we are off holidays. Holidays are not emergency events.
5/30/2019 12:29:00 AM
Amen. The FOP is complicit in this. Not an emergency. How about restricted time due and if you are RDO, then you’re RDO. Open up an overtime initiative a month in advance so people can volunteer to work it if they want. Add the triple time and you’ll fill the sheets.
You are probably not going to see any meaningful contract negotiations for at least a year. Not that there have been any so far.
Lil Lori needs to get settled. She has to find her way around. She will have a battle with the aldermen over perks. Not as lively as Council Wars. Much more subtle.
The Police are the unwanted bastard step-children of the City. When the City does get ready to talk contract, look for the media to spew its anti-police spiel.
There is no money to give you. Everything of value has either been sold off in a sweetheart inside deal or stolen.
The crew at FOP suck. They need to go. Graham is a huge disappointment. It's like the Democrats in this city and state. The same shit keeps getting recycled. Elect new faces. Dump this shit we have now.
This fop sucks all suburbs have a 2.5 % increase each year, trust me I know I’m getting the fuck outta this city and have looked at many departments
Mr. Graham............The general public in this city has a distorted view of the CPD because we are inundated daily with negative media stories about the police especially when an officer has to shoot. Since the obvious leftists in the media will never defend us, YOU SHOULD GET UP THERE EVERY TIME THE MEDIA GOES AFTER US AND "TELL THE REST OF THE STORY"................We voted you in for a reason. Now earn it. WE NEED A PIT BULL NOT A TEDDY BEAR.
If we wait and the economy slips into recession what do you think the city or an arbitrator will offer as a wage increase ? 2 years nothing productive . I wont be voting for Kevin or anyone from that team.
Based on history, experience and the current economy and a new mayor FOP should of filed already! Most of us don't give a sh!t about the picnic and golf outings, we got bills to pay and kids to raise!
We’re not getting anything from Lori so file for arbitration.
I retired 18 months ago and I want my retro!!
You still expect FOP to do something in the way of fighting for the Coppers? Wake the fuck up. FOP was full of shit and useless the day I started on this job. And now since being retired... They are even more useless and full of shit. You want change?? DUMP THOSE IDIOTS. And get a Union. FOP is not a Union, It's a circus full of bargaining dingbats.
Yo will fight to the death over a start time, a female officer or a certain car or to even get on Tac. But for a contract your balls shrivel up??? I never understood this? What an absolute joke.
VOTED TO NOT INTERVENE: what the hell do you pay dues for??
I'm leaving in 10 years and if my house value sinks anymore my wife and have already said we will just let it go and bank that money. We already have our retirement house out of this state.
Anyone have history of ET Sgt. CT? Wow, what a pain in the ass who is trying to reinvent the wheel. After the addition of Sgt. MS it is a feeling of hopelessness around 277. If they bring back Sgt. JD from 022 I’m out of here!
To 2:12 pm stop talking and start walking put this behind you and file t as bad experience. Good for you getting out but hope it is also out of Illinois because there is about to be the perfect tax storm to hit the state. Fat Boy governor Wants all your money and will stop at nothing to get it. Just read he has 19 more tax and fee programs on tap besides the tax the rich scheme. Reserved the U Haul now.
DA was spotted hugging Lori Lightfoot at a city club luncheon and has done nothing but cause problems with the current FOP group upstairs .A vote for anyone associated with him means bringing back Danny boy !
Anonymous said...
I'm leaving in 10 years and if my house value sinks anymore my wife and have already said we will just let it go and bank that money. We already have our retirement house out of this state.
5/30/2019 05:43:00 PM
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That's exactly what I said 15 years ago. Then my kids got married and started having kids and they moved back into the area (because this is where their friends and family are and they love it). Low and behold, my option was to move to Orland, Palos or Tinley and then I looked up the real estate taxes and realized I would be paying double or triple what I am paying now for all these suburban kids to go to Sheppard and Sandburg and I already paid for my kids to go to McCauley and Marist. The grass is not always greener on the other side. Be careful what you wish for! But thank God you don't have to consider your wives, children and grand children. Hasta La Vista!
I agree. We should go to arbitration!
Graham, Stop the fighting to keep CPD "chicago royalty and connected" cops to work Lightfoots security detail. We don't give a shit about if CPD protects her, she can have her own people, lets keep the connected cops OFF the detail and put their asses back on a beat car. Instead of fighting for BS like this, fight for a new contract and immediately apply for arbitration instead of wasting time pretending that the current city council gives a shit about us and our expired contract. they do not!. Lets do arbitration now. And lets get the entire old ravenswood house and Ex-MAYORS Rahm detail done, and back into the patrol. Why are they still protecting a no body, ex-mayor,?????? Get these dozens of cops back on the beat cars in 019!!!!
Come on FOP, get us a contract, I’ll vote for anything. I just want my retro check cause I’m itching for a new purple suit, some cool tribal tattoos, and a brand new Harley.
Hate to say this but FOP is a JOKE. In the best interest of the members, please go to ARBITRATION.
FOP are you listening ???? Arbitration is the way to go !!!!!
Why is Lightfoot ALWAYS shaking. Pay close attention, you will see.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
I'm leaving in 10 years and if my house value sinks anymore my wife and have already said we will just let it go and bank that money. We already have our retirement house out of this state.
5/30/2019 05:43:00 PM
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That's exactly what I said 15 years ago. Then my kids got married and started having kids and they moved back into the area (because this is where their friends and family are and they love it). Low and behold, my option was to move to Orland, Palos or Tinley and then I looked up the real estate taxes and realized I would be paying double or triple what I am paying now for all these suburban kids to go to Sheppard and Sandburg and I already paid for my kids to go to McCauley and Marist. The grass is not always greener on the other side. Be careful what you wish for! But thank God you don't have to consider your wives, children and grand children. Hasta La Vista!
5/30/2019 10:20:00 PM
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Taxes are about 2% in Illinois. 1% in Indiana, capped by law. So if you have a $600k house in Illinois you are paying $1k a month in proerty tax. In indiana its $500. You look in McHenry COunty and the property values have not risen in 20 years. I have a multi unit on my block in Portage Park that LOST value since the early 2000's LOST VALUE. It's a nice building too. I can go on and on. In North Center they had a big story - if you have a $1.2 M home, which happens there, you are paying $24k PER FUCKING YEAR FOR THE PLEASURE OF LIVING IN THIS SHITHOLE CITY. Then turn on the news and find out how YOU are responsible for the crime rate. ANd the first thing our diabetic Governor does is legalize pot. Really?? Liberals ruin shit, that's what they do.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Since arbitration is unavoidable, let's get it done. Get is a fair contract and give us our raise!
5/30/2019 12:08:00 AM
Easier said than done. There is a process and it takes forever. Meetings have to take place and after nothing has been done, you have to establish one side is not meeting their obligation of negotiations. Only then can you ask for arbitration
Easy to stall. New negotiating team, new mayor, trying to make a proposal, etc
That’s how it goes but you forgot the point of the city and FOP have to agree on about 95% of the contract before you can start arbitration. Aribitrators only rule on a very small number of issues. Usually pay, healthcare, many a few issues on discipline and seniority.
Another thing the 10 year working day furlough, how has it been possible for all these years? The city is charging me a vacation day on my RDO for a day that I am not even scheduled to be here. it takes me 10 years of service to be able to have a regular furlough in which I am not charged a vacation day on my RDO. This makes absolutely no sense. Also we are the only police department in the nation where it takes 25 years to top out at maximum salary this is absolutely absurd Kevin put that sandwich down pick up the phone and start doing your job.
Lts and Sgts both sent their impasse letters, no reason to wait
The FOP has been in for almost 40 years. Look at the eye-leet leaders we’ve had over those years. Not much has changed in those 40 years.
Time for a change, decertify, can’t be much worse.
Time for a different union. Who do state police have ??????
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Time for a different union. Who do state police have ??????
6/01/2019 11:57:00 AM
Look it up. FOP 41
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Time for a different union. Who do state police have ??????
6/01/2019 11:57:00 AM
FOP
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