Squad Policing Schedule
This was released to the boys and girls in 006 for next year (click for larger version):
The way it is explained to us is there are only three day off groups - 61, 63, 65 or 62, 64, 66. Certain start times are unique to the entire day off group. Sergeants will bid (?) for their day off group/start time and then officers will "apply" (or bid?) to work with a Sergeant. This team will be on the same schedule except for furlough, which will still be bid by seniority. There are allowances being made for School Officers, CAPS and House Mouses. It's a disaster in the making.
- It failed in LA, which is looking to abandon 12s and return to three 8-hour shifts;
- It failed in NYPD over ten years ago;
- A similar schedule failed in San Francisco;
- It failed here in 003 and 012
There are only two districts in the city that have a reasonable shot at making this succeed:
- 007 and 011
And the only reason it might succeed is because they have over 400 officers per District. The key to Squad Policing is over-staffing. You need approximately 33% more manpower than is currently budgeted per district to have even a reasonable chance at success. Groot can't afford to overstaff and is hoping to bring the numbers down to something like Houston (8,000 or so).
Strap in 006 - it's going to be a bumpy year.
Strap in 006 - it's going to be a bumpy year.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:04 AM
91 Comments:
In 006 you need 2.5 years to make days. What does that tell you about that place.
Where’s a PAR form? I’m bidding in to 006!!!
By the way, where is 006?
Just trying to jam a square peg in a round hole as usual around here.
006 will have 47 SGT. So in order to work in other districts where the fuck they getting all the Sgt??
The city don’t provide the resources there won’t be enough cars or radios or tasers or. This is the shit that was tried in 012 under that goof McDope
What’s the rotation? Similar to 10 hr days?
CPD tried this in the mid 70s.
I'm not sure if it went citywide, but 010 did it for about a year.
At the time there were 4 sector teams and two flouting teams
to cover the rdo of the sector team.
There were 4 roll calls. 0700, 0730, 0800, 0830 etc, etc, etc.
Each team had 10 POs. Sit handled roll call, approved/denied time off.
WC lost some power.
Each sector was a mini district.
You were not to be assigned jobs out of your sector.
A rap could occur in one sector, other sectors were not to take up the slack.
Exceptions were 10-1, bonified man shot, car or foot chase, etc.
It failed because the city would not fully staff the 4 street Sgt and desk Sgt
for each watch, every day, on 3 rotating shifts.
So who covers 11’s beat when the A Team is RDO.
Will this elaborate plan work in 016 or 017? I believe each of those districts have less than 140 officers total.
The schedule is the least of their problems, we need cars, we need training, we need a new set of written down rules about encountering people with knives/bats and what else is expected of us. Its a new progressive world here in Chicago and we are being set up to take more of the blame than usual.
Every day I hate this job more and more.
SCC said...
"And the only reason it might succeed is because
they have over 400 officers per District."
Over 400 officers?
That's within shouting distance of the
late 80's through mid 90's assigned manpower totals
WITHOUT the extra outside units to help out.
We remember ALL the primary beats being manned...
We remember wagons for every sector...
We remember the "early rapid response" -40 cars...
We remember the "late rapid response" -50 cars...
We remember the mini-vans that came in handy for putting out
the random community brush fires i.e. snatching a defiant
law-breaking m/fer out of his shoes and getting him/her off stage
before and audience had a chance to form and become part of the street theater...
You cannot cut the throats of The Police and have expectations
of them keeping a firm two-hand grip on the streets that very
necessary if public order, public peace, public safety and the
reasonable expectation of being able to go about your own damned
business mostly free of any two-legged encumbrance...
...Or have we and many others been horribly wrong
all along about the whole "Bein' tha M/F'in' POLEECE" thingy?
"You old guys are just pissed because it isn't
Chicago 1960 anymore, so stop trying to be
all rough, tough, manly and assertive because
those don't reflect OUR Chicago values!"
Right?
Typical for leftists like Groot: If a policy, plan, system, etc., has failed everywhere it has been tried, then you know they are going to rush to implement it in their domain because, “It’s a great idea, nobody but me can do it RIGHT!”
Who can figure that out?
What ever they are selling, I don’t want!
It failed in the 024th District. No cars on the street during shift change....just plugging holes. If only the taxpayers knew.......
They're drinking drano.....
Allowances for a school officers? A job that comes with no training, a job that has no union protection that basically doesn’t exist since the unit was disbanded and the assignment became a patronage one? Ha-ha FOP shame on you for letting this go on year after year for 10 +years. School officers do more hands on work than youth on a daily basis with and for the children of Chicago. Wake up people. Demand to be compensated for what you do!.
squad pilot program ruined 024.
Believe it or not the CPD tried this concept back in the 70s and guess what? Yep, it failed.
No wonder cops are so mean
2019 MURDERS BY DISTRICT (through Sunday, 17 November)
Each "x" equals one murder.
NOTE: The 11th District also leads all other CPD districts, all 78 NYPD precincts and all 21 LAPD divisions in Murders, Total Violent Crimes and "shooting incidents". Of the 121 police subdivisions in the nation's three most populous cities, CPD's 011 is the only station in which the number of Total Violent Crimes surpass the Total Property Crimes in Part I Index Crimes.
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SOURCES: Chicago Police Department, NYPD and LAPD
“There are only two districts in the city that have a reasonable shot at making this succeed:
• 007 and 011”
They’ll soon have to ride 6-deep in 011 at the rate those morons total squad cars.
But on the bright side, these ‘Fillmore’ Rangers will be able to regale their families with tales of being “the real police” over Thanksgiving dinner.
#fhreeyearwonders
That looks horrendous! What a mess. In typical CPD fashion it will be an epic failure.
I work on the northside and we have no time on the job kids on the early car.Does this mean the guys with time will be able to dethrone the millennials on the early cars?
Couldn’t have happened to a better district, glad I got out.
Interesting...I'm at 35th st and was day off group would is changing to either 62, 64, or 66 effective A.S.A.P.
“ICEBERG RIGHT AHEAD!!!!”.......gurgle gurgle glug
It’s a dog eat dog department and we are all
wearing milk bone underwear.....
Everything FAILS in 003.
rotating was the best
Oh yeah, Lightfoot is sooo much smarter than everyone else - obviously no one ever thought of squad policing before (eye roll)
It would seem that Mayor Lightfoot and her staff are micro-managing every department. The problem is they have no idea how the police department is run, how many people it takes to run it, the logistics of getting these people where they need to be and then having enough equipment (cars, radios, etc) for all these people.
Hire 33% more people and this will work. The problem is no one wants to be the police anymore, because of people like Lightfoot and her SJW ilk.
I wonder what other 1970s style innovative policies are on the way.
So glad I’m gone, but worried for you all. Stay safe.
Holy Shit, Batman!!!!
Who is the genius behind this latest disaster in the making? Which boss signed his or her name to this?
Because going back the squad schedule after its spectacular failure years ago is
The
Very
Definition
Of
Insanity
Sgt will be wolfpacking entire tour with the squad.mission driven.no more zero activity.check off times enforced.no say on partner.you are a squad.
Activity will be posted to encourage “squad competition”. Squad side is the best side.
This was attempted back in the 70’s.
4 start times, days 0700, 0730, 0800 and 0830, 4 start times for afternoons and the same for midnights.
The “ squad” concept failed miserably, not enough manpower.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again yet expecting different results.
In real life, what happened in 012 and will happen elsewhere, is that when the 10 and 30 sectors both go in for the day, the 20 sector will be left for an hour or more to hold down the WHOLE F*CKING DISTRICT. Because there will be no 40 sector, because there isn't the manpower. Each watch, look on your sheets. There hasn't been a rapid car in years in some places. The situation was akin to being left to fight a hopeless rear guard action you had no chance of winning or surviving.
And if you can't man a 40 sector, who are you going to get to work the sector cars WHEN A WHOLE SQUAD GOES RDO?
Imagine 3 or 4 cars and a sgt for the whole district. Things grind to a standstill, gridlock and backlog ensues.
This was a complete disaster in 003
Won't work. The most active people are the youngins. They don't stay on the beat. They go to teams and units. All you will have left are the dogs and geezers on the team. And with swiping in and out, the Riamlo Effect, and rotten cheated promo tests, there is no motivation anymore. Survival is the key. Don't get killed or indicted or fired. That means don't do shit. It will be fun to watch it fail, tho. 🍿
Anonymous said...
The schedule is the least of their problems, we need cars, we need training, we need a new set of written down rules about encountering people with knives/bats and what else is expected of us. Its a new progressive world here in Chicago and we are being set up to take more of the blame than usual.
11/23/2019 12:59:00 AM
Just wait folks, Charlie Beck is coming with a whole bag full of changes as well as simply beginning to enforce some long forgotten General Orders. We won’t know what hit us and we will be begging for EJ to come back and save us. Beck has been given his orders by the Mayor and he will carry them out along with putting his own personal touches on the CPD.
Anonymous said...
Interesting...I'm at 35th st and was day off group would is changing to either 62, 64, or 66 effective A.S.A.P.
11/23/2019 04:34:00 AM
Of course you are at 35th St................You can't form a complete logical sentence, which is evident.
But on the bright side, these ‘Fillmore’ Rangers will be able to regale their families with tales of being “the real police” over Thanksgiving
^^I worked ghetto districts for more than a decade. It's not as easy as you think to shut off the adrenaline. I'm encouraged by seeing the youngsters in action. Last I saw a $10 bag is still a felony arrest and a lot of 501's turn into felonies. If I was about 75 pounds lighterweight, I would be right out there with them.
They tried the squad concept back in the early 70's.. Don't know why but it didn't work
They are going to make it work in 6 and say it is a great thing. 6 is going to get so many resources it's not funny.
What's the rumor ,new firefighter schedule 10 hour shifts , overlapping hours , no more sleeping , running a business , screwing on the job , you will be alert for the entire 10 hours . Might lower budget and hire part time suburban firefighters for less money
Arrest and Jail is so long gone.
This squad thing is NOT about pro-activity.
These current batch of ass-kissing eggheads coming up with these 20th Century (Clinton Crime Bill H.R.3355 / Together We Can) ideas should be fired. Someone is pulling the wool over the inept LightLoafers monocular orbs, who doesn’t seem to remember the program she adopted with the rest of the The 21st Century Policing founders.
Jugghaid SpecialEd dint have any input on this unless it’s been in the works for the past year, more likely his personal choice successor pool brain stormed in hopes it can pass the Magnum C.B. muster.
Call it Larri LightLoafer’s Squad Policing, but it’s nothing more than blaming the Blue Shirt for lack of performance, a gateway to discipline and basically a way to deny time off, create an erratic schedule just to screw with the lowly Beat schmuck.
Bet there won’t be many, if any Bid Openings Vacancies during most of 2020 just to keep Beat troop levels consistently miserable. Withholding Vacancies been done before especially during hiring lulls which is very likely coming.
Advice: Transfer while you can and don’t defer or turn down a promotion if you get the chance.
If they can keep a flunky sad sack as Superintendent for almost 4 years and won’t admit that failure, this new old rehashed program will be around for a while too.
That was a terrible program. God help you if you got stuck on a late car on midnights. 3 cars for the entire district for a good two hours.
it failed before as they dredge up the old failures and expect different results gee whiz would that be the definition of insanity?
Wouldn't it just be easier to have a Sgt assigned to a sector then put P.O.s assigned to that sector in the same day off group as their Sgt. Problem solved. Everyone else can backfill.
My fear is that they still implement it citywide despite the fact that it will be a complete failure in 006. They will probably throw as much time and resources as they can to get it to work, further damaging the structure and morale of this department. This is a low point for CPD, and the first time that I would truly say to prospective recruits, DO NOT TAKE THIS JOB.
Every year is a bumpy ride in 006.
I saw a couple posts about this and forget squad policing was just tried in 024 a couple years ago. Anymore officers or supervisors care to chime in about it?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Interesting...I'm at 35th st and was day off group would is changing to either 62, 64, or 66 effective A.S.A.P.
11/23/2019 04:34:00 AM
What are you trying to say??????????????
Like a dog returning to its vomit, the CPD returns to failed policies and plans....
The team that designed all this shit might be nice people, but come on! When this fails in 5 months get ready for the 6-2 again. I don’t understand what’s so hard about designing a 4 on 2 off schedule or any rotating 8 hour schedule for that matter. we are salary employees we don’t have to have exacting 2080 hours, it’s the price of doing business 24hrs a day 365 days a year.
Just heard that all districts will now be mandated to three tac team and one mission team only. It will be 61,62,63 and 65. 06, 64 and in some districts 66 and 67 teams gone. The manpower back to watches. Tac teams will have 10 as they are now and the mission teams will still have 8 and work directly with violent crimes detectives. The current 65 teams will move to an 8am start time to align with day violent violent crime detectives hours. First period this will start.
As a retired cop-if I am reading this correctly
2nd watch a-f. 6 sgts 38 officers
Backfill 3 sgts 18 officers
1st watch a-f. 6 sgts. 58 officers
3rd watch a-f. 6 sgts. 58 officers
Relief g-h-i. 1st 3 sgts. 30 officers
Relief g-h-i 3rd. 3 sgts. 30 officers
27 sergeants total
232 officers total
Around 172 but still the shortest staffed in the city.
I want to go to days in 16 but I do not have 29 years on.
God, the shit we do for fucking health insurance.
Ya know why it'll work? Cause Godsell and Rowling, 2 people who never worked a beat car, said so
Square dance in a pigsty
If they worked it right the 12 hours shift worked great where I retired from. Every other weekend you were off.
Long week worked Monday Tuesday Off Weds Thursday Work Friday Sat Sun
Short week Off Mon, Tues Work Weds Thurs Off Friday Sat Sun
....Yada yada yada lobster bisque
Interesting...I'm at 35th st and was day off group would is changing to either 62, 64, or 66 effective A.S.A.P.
11/23/2019 04:34:00 AM
My bad, the 6yr old was throwing up all night... I was informed that my day off group would be changing effective immediately to either 62, 64, or 66!
This failed horribly in 003, mostly due to same old things: manpower, lack of Sgts, cars & radios. Now you have those same problems but also tasers, phones and all the other crap that takes 5 mins per car to sign out. No matter what you did not take a job out of your sector, including domestics. At change time or during a rap there were domestics being held for 45 mins. It could literally be on the border between sectors and they were not allowed to dispatch it. The whole same partners and sergeants was a joke. Never happened because of furloughs, iod, medical, comp time, partners splitting up, people bidding in & out. It slowed everything down and delayed calls from being dispatched. With arrests and tvb’s the entire sector could be down with maybe one rapid working. The rapid would be smart and grab a tvb if their own so they didn’t have to handle the entire sector. And if you haven’t noticed, it takes the newer officers, even the ones with 3 or 4 years on the job close to 3 or 4 hours to do a misdemeanor arrest. (That’s not an exaggeration)
Let’s see who is gonna want to bid in 012 (3rd watch) to be under Sgt. L or Sgt. A. D.O.G. Something is definitely wrong with you! Or maybe you’ll end up reverse seniority. OH WAIT, is there such a thing as seniority on 3rd Watch? LOL - our watch is a joke thanks to these 2, Even other districts heard about the seniority dilemma.
Around 172 but still the shortest staffed in the city.
11/23/2019 04:52:00 PM
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No, 017 is probably the shortest staffed in the city, somewhere near 135 PO's. The only good thing is some of the non producers bid to 016 to share their insights into effective policing closer to home.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I want to go to days in 16 but I do not have 29 years on.
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Yeah, like you need that much to get days in 016. I hear the radio and those familiar voices I hear have nothing like 29 years on this job.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
In real life, what happened in 012 and will happen elsewhere, is that when the 10 and 30 sectors both go in for the day, the 20 sector will be left for an hour or more to hold down the WHOLE F*CKING DISTRICT. Because there will be no 40 sector, because there isn't the manpower. Each watch, look on your sheets. There hasn't been a rapid car in years in some places. The situation was akin to being left to fight a hopeless rear guard action you had no chance of winning or surviving.
And if you can't man a 40 sector, who are you going to get to work the sector cars WHEN A WHOLE SQUAD GOES RDO?
Imagine 3 or 4 cars and a sgt for the whole district. Things grind to a standstill, gridlock and backlog ensues.
11/23/2019 09:10:00 AM
Which was when property crimes spiked in 012. Having Bubblehead as a commander didn’t help seeing as he didn’t think the 10 sector existed.
I work in a North side District and based upon the bid results last week we would need 9 Sergeants and 58 PO’s (at minimum with Medical Roll and people detailed out) to staff this schedule. Looks good on paper, but not enough manpower to function properly. Did the City set this up to fail on purpose, to use the excuse we do not have enough money to hire Police Officers or make Sergeants?
Anonymous said...
squad pilot program ruined 024.
11/23/2019 01:47:00 AM
And now you have Flounder as your commander
2:24 AM
So out of the 121 station houses in the NYPD, LAPD and CPD, is Fillmore #1 or #121 in murders and violent crimes?
Obviously, 011 is the worst of the worse. Yet no shift differential and/or hazardous duty pay. Yet empty holstered clout babies "working" inside shuffling papers out of harm's way get the same pay.
Warren? Warren? Warren? Ah! I can here The Fellow from beyond The Grave
He said
“Bring Lawyers, Guns, and Money. The Shit has hit the Fan!
Another fine example of why it’s not worth the time, effort and aggravation of taking the Sgts exam/position. What a shit show!
No, 017 is probably the shortest staffed in the city, somewhere near 135 PO's. The only good thing is some of the non producers bid to 016 to share their insights into effective policing closer to home.
11/23/2019 11:07:00 PM
So tell us superstar....what’s your definition of a “non producer?” What do you “produce?” Besides a brown nose. Goof
OT
Let’s see who is gonna want to bid in 012 (3rd watch) to be under Sgt. L or Sgt. A. D.O.G. Something is definitely wrong with you! Or maybe you’ll end up reverse seniority. OH WAIT, is there such a thing as seniority on 3rd Watch? LOL - our watch is a joke thanks to these 2, Even other districts heard about the seniority dilemma.
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Actually sgt A is not that bad. He does try to make things better.If I got into some shit I want him there before some of the other sgts. Sgt L sucks, Sgt F is moody, Sgt V he is scared, both Sgt Ms are good. And Sgt T is probably the nicest.
Only have 4 more years of this shit and I am out.
8:06pm , right on brother
that is the shift that will save marriages , improve family life , good working conditions
add to that rotation every month
Seniority does not count on the squad,you work with who we order you to work with.no more crying to the watch commander about a start time because I have child care issues.citizens at caps meetings will have input as to who works the beat.caps officers will be monitoring compliance.fasten your seat belts.no more hanging out by the desk waiting to be asked to go on a food run.cant work without a pdt,learn English and use the radio.
In 006 you need 2.5 years to make days. What does that tell you about that place
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In 001, the final bid spot for days took all of 2 years, 8 month.
Seniority does not count on the squad,you work with who we order you to work with.no more crying to the watch commander about a start time because I have child care issues.citizens at caps meetings will have input as to who works the beat.caps officers will be monitoring compliance.fasten your seat belts.no more hanging out by the desk waiting to be asked to go on a food run.cant work without a pdt,learn English and use the radio.
Hang on for the ride if you're my partner. I drive.
Signed,
Old timer's worst nightmare.
2 years 7 months OTJ.
You must still be wet behind the ears if you like Sgt. A... Knew him as.a P.O. and is worse now than ever cause that white shirt got to his head. He makes something BIG out of nothing. “Nothing better like those old school Sgt’s. Call me when you need me kid”. Now... Forget about it! Sgt. V.M by far still best Sgt out there. At least he won’t try and get a CR on you for any little reason.
I have known sgt a for over ten years. The kid has done more for 3rd watch as the rep then anyone I have ever known. Even as a sgt he still never forgot where he came from. He does piss people off but he sticks up for those not taken care. Must be an old 13th district guy still pissed about the merger. sgt a thanks for the study sessions for sgt. And sgt m, sgt v, sgt t, sgt f not to bad. sgt l is an asshole
Anonymous Anonymous said...
In 006 you need 2.5 years to make days. What does that tell you about that place
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In 001, the final bid spot for days took all of 2 years, 8 month.
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001 has always been “doable” on 1st watch. The minute I was bumped off 1st management I bid out.
2nd and 3rd watch in 001 both get ghetto high call volume, year round. No breaks in the winter either. Enjoy it.
"Overstaffing" in 011? Lol. Have over 19 years on and had multiple days off denied this summer due to "manpower shortage" First time in those 19 years. We're short almost every day.
The CPD calls it "duty availability" for extra $$$$ for ALL sworn including house mice. All other major PDs call it shift differential and/or hazardous duty for only some--the officers working the mean streets of high violent crime districts during tours of darkness.
It doesn't make sense. WHY?
“ Anonymous Anonymous said...
Interesting...I'm at 35th st and was day off group would is changing to either 62, 64, or 66 effective A.S.A.P.”
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Put down the beer Ed, you’re drunk.
Houston has fewer than 5,000 active officers.
In 001, the final bid spot for days took all of 2 years, 8 month.
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001 has always been “doable” on 1st watch. The minute I was bumped off 1st management I bid out.
2nd and 3rd watch in 001 both get ghetto high call volume, year round. No breaks in the winter either. Enjoy it.
Is this for real? Less than 3 years for days in 001
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