Coming Soon to Illinois
- Under New York’s " justice reforms," criminals must be provided with the names and contact information of victims and witnesses involved in the case against them.
Effective January 1, 2020, prosecutors will have just 15 days from the time of arraignment to hand over all evidence pertaining to a case – including victim and witness information, WSTM reported. Cases can be dismissed if prosecutors fail to meat [sic] the deadline, Albany County District Attorney David Soares told the news outlet.
“’By the way, I have to provide your cell phone number to his lawyer in a few weeks,’” Soares used as an example of what he will be forced to tell crime victims. “I don’t know how I’m going to have these conversations with a victim.”
Under the law change, the court can also require crime scenes to remain unchanged so that defendants can be allowed to visit them, the New York Daily News reported.
COPA already tries to do a lighter version of this, and anyone who has been to a deposition knows these types of questions get asked all the time. Corp Counsel "objects" but you still have to answer and it's still in the record.
Pretty soon, the public is going to insist on their own version of being "fetal" and there won't even be a report generated.
Pretty soon, the public is going to insist on their own version of being "fetal" and there won't even be a report generated.
Labels: dumb ideas, out-of-state
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
66 Comments:
“Meat” a deadline? How about ham?
No worries, as a victim or witness I’ll probably be transitioning to the opposite sex with a different race and adjust my age (just tell me I can’t...I’ll file a beef) with a non functioning phone number. Even better, I may identify as my offender as a form of therapy and supply their info.
Vigilante justice will emerge.
Nature abhors a vacuum.
Wow... making it almost impossible to convict assholes
Defense attorneys won’t have to ask clowns like ofc_aggz when it’s time. They’ll simply visit his social media pages for everything they need to know about him and some things they don’t particularly need to know... like that he’s a self-proclaimed ‘DILF’.
LOLOLROTFLMFAO!!!
"anyone who has been to a deposition knows these types of questions get asked all the time. Corp Counsel "objects" but you still have to answer and it's still in the record."
Illinois has evidence and discovery deposition both - a real goofy state. The two types play out in civil matters mostly. Only in a discovery deposition can some questions asked possibly not get answered.
Criminal matters are the evidence sort where answers are always compelled, with objections just noted.
It can be fucking brutal. Seems at times the system is slanted against you uh?
Illinois amended the constitution for victims' rights.
Section 8.1 of the Illinois Constitution
Wonder how this balance of victims' rights vs the rights of the accused will play out statewide...
Girl gets raped, has to give her unlisted cellphone to the lawyer of the man accused of raping her. All lawyers are 100% honest and won't pass that data along, ever. Should be fun...
Chicago is usually third to follow the advancements in social and criminal justice of its coastal sisters.
Imagine you shoot a burglar in your home or a burglar advances up the career ladder and rapes females in home or worse murders them, does this mean the crime scene is to remain as is for later visitation by offender? Sure sounds like it if court so rules.
Isn’t voting democratic so rewarding and uplifting to the spirit?
Exactly how is a defendant or defense lawyer going to provide an adequate defense without being able to communicate with the victim?
No Snitches is now the state law!
NYC has already released most of the criminals involved in the Hannukah attacks on Jews. No bail or pre- trial incarceration unless someone bleeds. Insane!
One of them has already tried to murder Jews again.
And PRESTO!! Lower crime rates!!
Look on the bright side -- once Crimesha gets her paws on this strategery there will be no need for bonds, cash or imaginary. Tim Evans can lay off all the judges. Tommy Dart can tell the last convict to turn out the lights when he leaves jail.
No witnesses will ever admit to being a witness for fear of reprisal before the trial date. No one will risk dropping a dime on any criminal act, so violent criminals will never be arrested.
Policing will become a form of library science, nice and quiet.
The ultimate way to have the crime rate go down as the crime rate goes up. EUREAKA !!!!!
"anyone who has been to a deposition knows these types of questions get asked all the time. Corp Counsel "objects" but you still have to answer and it's still in the record."
In a nushell, most privilage does not apply until to you get into court. The objections keep these statements from becoming waived or admissions.
This will make it very convenient for the criminals to locate and intimidate their accusers.
You communicate with the victim through the state's attorney, which in Cook County is just like communicating with another defense attorney.
I have a P.O. Box a no contract phone no Facebook no instagram no twitter just me and my Mossberg’s whistleing the tune fro Kill Bill .
NY is completely out of control with their new criminal justice reform and Bail reform program which goes into effect Jan 01. NY and California are leading the Country in their stupidity and pro criminal anti police stances. They are both Socialist states. Illinois and Chicago are way left, But we re not socialist , yet. I don’t see how we would get anyone to cooperate under these rules, and I wouldn’t want them too either. Have you see all the crimes that judges can no longer ask for cash bonds for in NY starting Jan 01??!
https://defensemaven.io/bluelivesmatter/api/amp/bluelivesmatter/news/new-ny-law-eliminates-cash-bail-for-many-violent-crimes-sex-offenses-nNkM2NhGU02zPFBXzluxHA
Then this coming now
Here’s a look at tax and fee increases coming to Chicago in 2020
https://www.chicagotribune.com/politics/ct-lori-lightfoot-2020-tax-fee-hikes-20191230-fgsfalgvzjgofa6lbtdkashchy-story.html
Excerpt:
And there’s still the question of the $163 million worth of ambulance reimbursements the city’s counting on from the federal government as a major piece of Lightfoot’s package to close the financial shortfall.
While the mayor says she’s confident the approval will be coming soon from the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, critics worry Lightfoot eventually will need to seek another tax or fee increase if federal officials under President Donald Trump deny the request.
*so Lori you are the other democrats disrespecting the taxpayers and the office of the President the greatest economic President Trump in history refusing to meet air force 1, when it landed your social justice program allows criminals to run wild like Kim Toni and the rest, and you think we are getting federal cash? Your already allowing illegals in droves to come here and more federal money is not coming as you totally disregard federal laws,
No mayor the taxpayers are being forced to pay more due to negligence on the part of democrats. Why is it liberal publications are calling Illinois cook county Chicago the most corrupt city state county in the country. The feds are starting to grab people but nothing when we see them being paraded into the federal building on the buses it will be a great day for the honest law-abiding citizens. And to the people that disrespect the police the thin blue line just a thought we are all there is between you and total utter chaos. The police are being bastardized being put down being handcuffed by the elected Democrats on a constant basis how much more can I demoralize the hard-working blue shirt Chicago police officer? May God bless the police!!
Uhmmm, if the crime scene remains the same (in homocide cases) how is the coroner suppose to do his job? If the crime scene is your bedroom (non homocide cases), do I sleep in the bathtub or on the street?
Americans use to be respected for their common sense, practical solutions now that idea has gone the way of the hula hoop.
One reason a community member got away after assaulting me was my fear he and his fellow baddies would obtain my information. He saw me hesitate and took his sprint run away.
Weve truly lost our nation. Prayers up
Exactly how is a defendant or defense lawyer going to provide an adequate defense without being able to communicate with the victim?
12/30/2019 01:53:00 AM
List the reasons you think a victim would want to communicate to help the defense. How the fuck are there actually people who think like this? A murderer should have the address and phone number of the witnesses against him in case he has some questions for them? What could possibly go wrong?
This is how you get more vigilantism, mob, gangs, folks. People will find someone to administer justice and protect the neighborhood. The guys who step in to fill this role aren't held accountable like police officers are.
Thats bullshit ~ what witness would ever want to come forward?? Why are the victim's rights being taken away??!
I have always know that eventually the defense would get the complainants info. When signing complaints the victim would ask "Will he get my home address?" I always told them the truth. Yep.
Our country is going to hell
No, the 'public' won't go fetal. We'll just handle things ourselves. Including justice.
Their new bail reform program is just as dangerous. Take a look at the crimes that now Will he all I Bonds.
https://defensemaven.io/bluelivesmatter/api/amp/bluelivesmatter/news/new-ny-law-eliminates-cash-bail-for-many-violent-crimes-sex-offenses-nNkM2NhGU02zPFBXzluxHA
I don't get how Democrats don't think they sell AR-15s and high-capacity handguns. This is marketing material for them.
IDIOTS, IDIOTS, IDIOTS. Why get involved with the legal system. Take matters into your own hands when you are victimized. If you are attacked, DO THE RIGHT THING
This would really be the ticket to kick the Illinois Exodus into high gear.
Good grief. Time to buy an AK 47 and a couple of shot guns, hand guns and get a concealed carry permit. NOW.
Shakespeare was right. "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers."
Even a Liberal witness/victim will see the illogic in this course of action. I cant wait to tell Larry and Lucy Liberal that their information will also be provided to the perp who victimized them. The police will now have to let offenders go if they don't cooperate with the states case against them. Good plan. NOT!
What has happened to Policing in America? Just when I thought a neer do well's rights couldn't be coddled any further, they find a way.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Vigilante justice will emerge.
Nature abhors a vacuum.
12/30/2019 12:39:00 AM
No shit! Not only for criminals, but for their mouthpieces and enablers too. Not "restorative justice" but "restoring justice".
All you can do is pension out and move to a law and order state, like Texas. People out here drive a little crazy, but police are well liked. The political landscape here might change due to Northerner and Californians fleeing, bringing their bullshit here, so let's encourage conservative voters to make the move. El Paso elected one of the biggest nitwits to hit politics in years, "Beto". I even put my FOP stickers back on my car.
Closing on my house in fifteen short days and finally moving to central Indiana. Lived in Chicago for 43 years. I just can’t take anymore of the results of these ridiculous libtard policies that have increased gang violence, murders, assaults, thefts, urban youth wilding, etc. etc. Not to mention what is still to come.
Flee this doomed state if you are able to. Stay safe and God speed to the CPD thin blue line and to those that can’t.
One of your posters said in the past that the answers lie in the book of creedmore. I’m beginning to think they are right.
As if appointed, Dem Party corrupt judges and attorneys allowing multiple continuances and victim/witnesses having to make many time consuming trips down to shitsville 26th & Cal isn’t enough.
If the Cook Co plea-down deal doesn't work, drag it out until the plaintiff finally fails to show up.
I’d expect any case to be tossed as soon as the victim refuses the defense motion.
Until the people responsible for this nonsense and/or their family become victims nothing will change and it will just get worse for everyday working stiffs. They have their armed body guards, 8’ gates and walls protecting their property where they sit and come up this stuff. They all need to be victims and watch how fast things change.
These communists are systematically destroying our institutions and way of life for the purpose of creating a crisis. The crisis will then be used as an excuse to implement communism by military force. Soros is funding and directing most of the people involved and he owns the democrat party.
And for 2020
Arrest Warrants (SB 1583/PA 101-0406): Provides that in Cook County, in cases of probation violations, warrants would become inactive after 10 years when the underlying conviction is for the offense of theft, retail theft, or possession of a controlled substance unless the agency seeking the warrant has the State's Attorney file a motion to extend the warrant.
Remember folks, vote democrat! Elections are right around the corner.
New York and any other state that adopts this nonsense is forcing the public to take matters into their own hands. I have a feeling a lot more criminals with a history of burglary and home invasion will start to go missing, and their bodies of will later be found by police after being dumped. The public needs to wake up and start voting the idiots responsible for these ridiculous laws out of office.
What cell phone? I don't have a cell phone Officer... *hip buzzes*
"What's that?"
A cell phone.
"Thought you didn't have one?"
I don't.
"Gotcha" *checks box on ISR form saying "NONE" next to cell phone*
Can't give out what they never get in the first place. Fuck 'em.
Come gather evidence, take pictures, swabs, fibers, whatever. Then GTFO - I'm cleaning the carpet, replacing doors and windows and getting back to semi-sub-normal. Not going to leave a window smashed out for 9 years while they screw around with the case.
Get a Google Voice # - free, points at "google", block whatever you want from whomever you want. Set up a voice mail system "Hello, if you're an attorney or work for an attorney, press 1 now. Thank you for pressing "1". Good bye" *click*
"What's your phone #"
847-867-5309
"Name?"
Jennie
Maybe show these thugs pictures of victims/witnesses houses and kids too.
Well there goes the anonymous hot lines. Homicide just cratered to 5%.
One reason a community member got away after assaulting me was my fear he and his fellow baddies would obtain my information. He saw me hesitate and took his sprint run away.
Weve truly lost our nation. Prayers up
12/30/2019 06:44:00 AM
Oh please. "We've truly lost our nation". Stop drama queen. There are a zillion places to have a better life in the U.S.
If I am a victim of a crime, I will need to deny the crime, not report it, right?
Therefore the crime never happened, right? Meaning I now am like the victims on the South & West sides of Chicago, Nothing happens, no crime. No criminal statistics. Wow,
killing crime by legal intimidation of victims & witnesses. This is how you kill crime in the City of Chicago, State of Illinois, & the rest of the United States, eventually.
Only the rich, on the Gold Coast of Chicago will be able to afford personal bodyguards, but of course, you too will have no crime, no report, no trial.
God help us all.
Is Eddie still in Dubai?
Are they nuts or what
Sad about the 21 year old hair saloon owner, Destiny Harrison, killed in Bmore. Got to give her credit for starting a business and had been doing well. She had been the victim of a theft of some 3k worth of hair extensions and when she asked the man and woman (who for her property back she was beaten up. Just two days later she was shot and killed in her business. She had filed a report and a protection order as she knew one of the scumbags to be quite violent. She told family she was scared. The two suspects were arrested and charged with assault, theft and burglary. No mention if they were released on bond or not. No one has been arrested for her murder. The worthless politicians don't care about this young lady. Black on black crime, they sound like Sgt Carter, "I can't hear you". She leaves behind a very young child. No mention of a grieving father. They held a vigil but nothing will change in that city.
As long as there is more CCL people to counter the mental imbalance of Liberals mindset!
Gun up. 12 gauge by the bedside. Your info is useless to a dead offender after a good ol dose of self defense administered lead poisoning.
Pretty soon, the public is going to insist on their own version of being "fetal" and there won't even be a report generated.
Reported crime drops. It'll be considered a win.
rb
Is Eddie still in Dubai?
12/30/2019 05:58:00 PM
He is in Buhbai, a suburb of Dubai.
It is so nice there, most do not return.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
All you can do is pension out and move to a law and order state, like Texas. People out here drive a little crazy, but police are well liked. The political landscape here might change due to Northerner and Californians fleeing, bringing their bullshit here, so let's encourage conservative voters to make the move. El Paso elected one of the biggest nitwits to hit politics in years, "Beto". I even put my FOP stickers back on my car.
12/30/2019 09:50:00 AM
Texas will flip blue within a decade.
Gutless rinos refused to do anything about immigration because big business likes cheap labor.
It won't be long before even in Texas "comon sense" gun control will start.
Also once Texas goes blue it will be nearly impossible to elect anyone other than a democrat for president.
Trump had the right idea to at least slow the invasion but the courts and rinos wouldn't let him.
And yet the city is pushing for cops to take any anonymous complaints and fully investigate them! Apparently we don’t have the right to face our accuser but shitheads do. Not surprised cause it is crook county after all. Unbelievable, our representation is our labor union which everyone keeps confusing for “union against consent decree” which actually gives us money for better training, more equipment etc. if we want to make a difference then we must use our vote to change the current FOP administration who not surprising have become politicians forgetting they have to return to their primary job, police officers. I’m voting for someone with experience, prior military, time on the job to have seen the changes within our dept., and a man of faith. Should he use the position for the wrong reasons it’s between him and the almighty. Learn about the people that will be running this next election and what their intentions are...sometimes we dont like honesty cause it may not be what we want to hear but it’s the best thing to do. I’m voting for RC. Stay motivated, stay alive ladies and gents. Semper Fi
OK, so seriously.... What state do we go to? Does anyone have useful data on which states are not currently being swept into this progressive thought shithole? I'm absolutely thinking that may truly be the only option. And I never would have felt this way even a year or so ago, but this shit is getting far to real...
He is in Buhbai, a suburb of Dubai.
It is so nice there, most do not return.
12/31/2019 01:14:00 AM
LMAO! There are some really funny people at CPD. It helps me keep my sanity!
Thanks for the laugh! Happy New Year & Be Careful.
rb
I've always said crime scene shootings should stay up. Let the citizens see what goes on all night. The city could run a tourist bus, serving liquor and weed, to all the crime scenes, with the tourist guide giving a breif description of each shooting.
Checked the NYPD LERant.
They describe their version of being "FETAL" as being a "POTTED PLANT".
"Hitting the hole" is called "cooping".
Loved the CCL people in the church in Texas who neutralized the shithead carrying and killed with that concealed shotgun!
Now that is justice coming soon!
If left up to Liberals, they want you to run and hide instead of fight and kill the bad guy!
Long live the 2nd Amendment!
I gave another $20 the the 2nd Amendment foundation!
Let’s adopt a “don’t ask don’t tell “ policy regarding victims cellphones. Just like immigration status.
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