COPA has Confidential Informants?
And their trolling your social media, copying inordinate amounts of files and failing to sign affidavits in violation of state law:
- During a recent FOIA request, COPA informed a requestor that there is information that could not be released due to it compromising the identity of their confidential source. So apparently COPA gets to now have “CI’s” and run covert investigations.
One minute they’re getting Search Warrants for Officers property, the next they’re working with Confidential Informants.
This same FOIA request also revealed that the same “confidential source” went back as far as 2013 to report a social media post that was made by an Officers family member. Yes, they are now not only spying on us, but our family members, as well and have every intention of holding us accountable for what others post to social media.
Here's the relevant portion of the reply to the FOIA request (click for larger version):
Sounds like former alderasshole Arena's little helper Leslie Perkins was busy downloading a lot of social media postings. By the way, those 12 CD's would hold roughly 8.4 GIGAbytes of information - about 4.2 million pages of printed material, which works out to 840 boxes of paper (10 paper reams of 500, 5000 pages per box). That a lot of information for a so-called "oversight" agency. It certainly sounds like a lot of government overreach, too.
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
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Regardless of this issue on this post, if you’re on social media, just get off of it. If you’re not going to do that, don’t put anything on there that says you’re the police. Use your head.
Considering you would have no reason to request anything from a public facing facebook page, as anyone could access it and record what is needed... Am I correct in understanding that COPA is somehow attempting to get information in private messages or other non-public facing portions of officer's facebook data? So they're attempting to penalize private conversation?
Keep voting democrat
Sure sounds like an illegal First Amendment investigation. That order is upwords of 30 pages long. I doubt they followed any of its restrictions. Ah well, as COPA says, "Rules are for thee, not me."
Sue to get that info. That is not a burdensome FOIA
That's why I have two FB accounts. One being the real one that is strictly sunshine and lollipops, then there's the fake one for the dark side of me.
So COPA contends that copying the information on 12 CDs would be 'unduly burdensome '.
How long does it take to copy 12 CDs?
About 2 hours?
"They're" trolling
We are unwittingly voting our Rights away. FOIA requests can be denied if overburdensome. Who determines that? What is the criteria for determining overburdensome? The appeal process is a joke. If this OP doesn’t get cops to get off of Facebook, Twitter, etc, etc, etc then they got holes in their head. It only takes ONE INCIDENT on the job or off whether you’re a hard charger or not......... The fact that your accounts are being surveilled (spied on) tells you how laser focused the powers that be (SJW) to nail your ass.
So busy taking information that it did not keep track of the bs for inventory purposes lol
Delete all the social media wait until you are retired!
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Copa smopa, they couldn't find a pile of fido's wolf bait in a plastic grocery bag.
That is how China keeps their people in line. Welcome to the CPD Comrades..
Guess you all thought they would play fair? Tell the wife to stop the Facebook posting
Thanks for the math on the paper.
I would hold them to it then. We just can't have spot
downloads. You can't pick and choose. Watch everyone
or watch no one at all, preferably the latter.
A Spy Agency, so you say?
COPA Chicago CSI
COPA Chicago CSI
They are one nasty group.
Rule #1 you should never befriend your co-workers or strangers on social media. Your account should be super private. You can’t trust anyone on this job these days and why would you want your bosses and coworkers knowing you every move? You should want anyone on this job or associated with this job knowing that much about your private life.
stacked with morons out to get you. thought this was to include former leo's? how the fuck does this 'pre investigation information gathering' can stand scrutiny? this is is bad as the impeachment nonsense.
Looking in the Facebook post, how big of a budget how many employees do they have with nothing to do it’s the Chicago way we all know it get paid for doing nothing. Ridiculous and a total waste of money, what kind of people do they employ? Again and again it’s proven the Chicago way is nothing but corruption lies anything to pretend they are working.
They call it 1st amendment investigations
WHEN
a GOVERNMENT agent (aldermans flunky) records protected speech to suppress that speech.
COPA acts on speech by intimidating said person and family.
Its a lawsuit but who has the cash? alot of officers spent thousands and on a SGTs test but will almost never have money for a lawyer to protect their lively hood.
Good luck north siders.
Fishing expedition?
Sounds like big violations of the 1st and 4th Amendments........SUE the city, and the politicos PERSONALLY.......
Call the DOJ.....they are violating your civil rights, and that’s a big federal NO-NO.....
Plus, Trump don’t be liking these anti-cop peoples and folks.......
I believe it’s called a “Franks Motion”. We need to start sueing.
Sounds like former alderasshole Arena's little helper Leslie Perkins was busy downloading a lot of social media postings. By the way, those 12 CD's would hold roughly 8.4 GIGAbytes of information - about 4.2 million pages of printed material, which works out to 840 boxes of paper (10 paper reams of 500, 5000 pages per box). That a lot of information for a so-called "oversight" agency. It certainly sounds like a lot of government overreach, too.
She did all of this on the taxpayer's dime and Clubfedfoot just approved an increase in the aldercreature's funds too...
Saw this coming a long time ago, before even getting on the job... I can honestly say I have Never, Ever, with absolute certainty, had ANY social media accounts Ever!
COPA another insider threat to our privacy and protections specified in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Spying on citizens, collecting and initiating illegal investigations and attempting to chill free speech - that's COPA. Democrats have institutionalized spying, Confidential Informants, and conducting illegal operations against police. Its right out of the criminal's playbook as used by the FBI HQ's Small Group on FISA and spying operations against the President. Now its here and being used by the Democrats to stifle citizen's free speech.
Hey Charlie Beck, here is another example of politics and targeting free speech the Chicago Way. The imp mayor is the driving force behind this effort and is part and parcel of her war tactics on police. And you and the imp talk about building trust. Yeah right, we are going to trust you and the imp. We got your trust right here.
Why would anyone be surprised that COPA would stoop to this level.
They are just following the playbook of the Jugear administration that used illegal surveillance, and weaponized government agencies against citizens and political enemies. They learned well.
If a non police family member has their face book stuff being investigated perhaps it's time
for the FOP to retain the Seven Savages law firm to sue the living fecal matter out of the individual who violated any family members First Amendment right to free expression ..
Sue them as individuals in federal court ..There is a restraining order that prohibits the city of chicago and it's agents from spying on and interfering with constitionaly protected
rights . Let the festering anal warts from copa live on Imodium when the fecal scroll is handed to them .....Old Arky Sgt.
Fuck copa
The only people involved in this shitshow of a CR #, that actually posted hateful comments to Social Media, are Arena and Leslie Perkins themselves, yet they are rewarded for their bias and hateful behavior.
Strong source tells me a former police officer from the detail unit who was caught trying to shake down an illegal worker at his friends resturant for $2500 but not charged criminally and was fired,then retired but I dont know if they allowed it is working with COPA and engages coppers at Functions who have open CR's with small talk and tries to extract info to use against them. Poor guy is desperate, house is in foreclosure, owes everyone big time. RM is his initials.be careful.
So Ms. Tyra Sherese says call Mr. Kwame Raoul if you don't like your COPA FOIA.
What happened to diversity?
Of course they CI's. That guy riding next to might be one. Feel better now.
It’ll be easy pickin’s for the COPA twats the way these millennial wanna-bes are constantly on that bullshit social media. Raised as gamers, their whole social existence and interaction with others revolves around computers and smart phones.
How far we’ve come from being told “The only thing you use a department phone for is making notifications and ordering pizza“ regarding technology and the job.
They ARE going to make examples of people over this.
Side thought...
Funny how the attempted carjacking/robbery of a COPA employee arriving for work in the wee hours a few weeks ago got absolutely no media coverage. Perhaps the “Coffee thrown in the face of one of the young male black would-be attackers” was less than truthful? I am on furlough with no access to department computers, but do a location history/check of 1615 W. Chicago Avenue on (IIRC) 04 or 05 December, 0500-0730 hours. Karma is a bitch. It’s just too bad they weren’t successful.
We all knew how bogus and corrupt COPA was when they started putting up lamppost flyers soliciting witnesses.
COPA is a failing operation that’s not seeing the traffic they hoped for.
Their budget was increased on lies but the now it’s not getting all those gotcha numbers their very own compstat liars projected.
Digging through 1st Amendment protected material that even social media platforms permits?
COPA is a lowlife employer where former bike messengers, street performers, scooter riding starbuck baristas go when then fired for tardiness and scholarship money runs out.
Democrats get to alter rules to fit their needs.
Are they operating under one persons law degree (e.g. client/attorney privilege) for a so-called whistblower?
COPA is not a legitimate organization with power to withhold information in a court of law.
Unfortunately we don’t have a legitimate court of law here either.
Make COPA obsolete
FIND A STEERING WHEEL & STAY SLUMPED
Awesome times we have here now with Secret Police files (entirely separate from street police) and spying endorsed by the powers that be and you have no right to defend yourself from the insane charges.
In partial agreement with @ 12:11:00 AM
"Regardless of this issue on this post, if you’re on social media..." Chinese wall EVERYTHING. Accounts in false names only (the funnier the better IMHO). No personal photos. Use a dedicated email (even a separate provider than your personal email accounts).
Protect yourself. No one else will protect you.
COPA, the arm of the New commie party.....
Anonymous said...
Sure sounds like an illegal First Amendment investigation. That order is upwords of 30 pages long. I doubt they followed any of its restrictions. Ah well, as COPA says, "Rules are for thee, not me."
12/16/2019 12:41:00 AM
ABSOLUTELY!!!!!! As long as you don't reference the department or show you are the police, you can say whatever you want. Freedom of Speech. I highly recommend for anyone that gets popped with an investigation that brings up your personal social media sites to seek out a lawyer and sue these SOB's.
Do they get 1505 funds...
Always have.....rats everywhere.....
Apparently Ms. Petersen does know how to redact confidential information/names from a FOIA request. I hope the requester asks for a review by the AG's PAC, although the Democrat AG will probably quash the request. If that doesn't work, I hope the requester seeks relief in the courts.
What is this world/city coming too. Maybe someone needs to remind these incompetent employees that they are part of a government agency and as government employee, they must operate within the provisions of the constitution.
Since you brought up Arena on of his socialist ass hole friends is running against Jim Gardiner for committeeman
Please please remember to vote for Gardiner. It will be another step towards running Arena and his friends out of the ward
where did COPA get it's marching orders from. schiff for brains?
Cd’s or DVD’s
The scourge of the Arena Legacy is is still alive and well.
right to free expression
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No one's right to free expression is being violated. you can still say what you want on social media.
If you do not want what you post to be seen by someone else, don't post it.
Former Alderman Arena, this evil bastard who wants to strip you of your Constitutional rights, will be running for the 38th ward. Will you get off your couch to campaign against him? Or will you just bitch and moan on the internet?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
That's why I have two FB accounts. One being the real one that is strictly sunshine and lollipops, then there's the fake one for the dark side of me.
12/16/2019 01:12:00 AM
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What don't you understand? You have two too many already. Probably on other sites as well. Jeeze!
https://www.policeone.com/legal/articles/ny-state-police-subpoenas-used-to-sift-employees-private-data-face-challenge-P1NTsMrFQfegMHMJ/
Anonymous said...
Awesome times we have here now with Secret Police files (entirely separate from street police) and spying endorsed by the powers that be and you have no right to defend yourself from the insane charges.
12/16/2019 11:30:00 AM
Just like the C5 guys from the 70's informants working with then iad and jamming up coppers after setting them up. Be careful of who you work with and bring slices of cheese if he/she go for it you found that rat!!
The fix for COPA is civil rights lawsuits. Bunches of them. under 28 USC 1981, 1983, and 1985.
Also start filing complaints with USDOJ that a non-law-enforcement agency is filing false search warrant applications (because COPA has no legal authority to apply for, or execute search warrants under Federal or Illinois law or the COPA Ordinance). In addition, if any City lawyers are seeking OR approving such warrant applications, file complaints on their law licenses with the Illinois Attorney Registration and Disciplinary Commission for committing the crime of Official Misconduct as City employees, because they should know COPA cannot apply for or execute search warrants.
NOTE: COPA can subpoena witnesses, documents, and other items under the COPA Ordinance, Section 2-78-125.
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What Is Traversing a Warrant (a Franks Motion)?
What Is Traversing a Warrant (a Franks Motion)?
Suppose your home or office was subject to a police raid using a search warrant. You knew you had nothing illegal inside, so you were not alarmed, but you were still annoyed at the disruption. However, police emerged from the search with two kilograms of methamphetamine, a large sum of cash, several firearms and a few hundred rounds of ammunition. You were certain it was planted and therefore the affidavit supporting the search warrant must have been falsified.
What can you do to have the evidence suppressed? One option it to traverse the warrant. What does this mean?
Traversing a warrant means challenging the affidavit and the information therein as false. Franks v. Delaware (1978) 438 U.S. 154, 155, 98 S. Ct. 2674. This is a limited right and must be based on reasonable information or else such challenges can undermine the prosecution of the case, as well as other cases. People v. Panah (2005) 35 Cal.4th 395, 456, People v. Lewis (2006) 39 Cal.4th 970, 988.
As the reader of this article may be well aware, a search supported by a warrant is presumptively reasonable, so overcoming this presumption can be a tough argument. Moreover, even an insufficient affidavit does not require suppression of the evidence obtained if the police acted in a good faith belief that the warrant was valid. U. S. v. Leon (1984) 468 U.S. 897, 104 S. Ct. 3405.
This “good faith” exception is unavailable, however, in four limited circumstances outline in Leon at 923; see also People v. Camarella (1991) 54 Cal.3d 592, 596. They are: 1) when the issuing magistrate was misled by information that the affiant officer knew or should have known was false; 2) the magistrate wholly abandoned the judicial role of neutrality and disinterest; 3) the affidavit was so lacking in indications of probable cause that it would be entirely unreasonable for an officer to believe probable cause existed; and 4) the warrant was so facially deficient in failing to particularize the place to be searched or things to be seized that the executing officers could not reasonably presume it to have been valid.
How about Arenas other buddy , self appointed Senator Rob Martwick. Sgt Danny O’Tole from Narcotics is running against him. Vote O’Tole.
Hey groot, I thought nobody was above the law? Or is that only for those you target?
Just because you post something that is open source doesn't mean it isn't protected speech. If the government monitors your social media without a predicate such as an RD# then it is a 4th amendment violation. Even if the branch of government isn't the police department, lawmakers should fall under that umbrella as well.
I heard the list of people include retired and fireman.
Anonymous said...
Since you brought up Arena on of his socialist ass hole friends is running against Jim Gardiner for committeeman
Please please remember to vote for Gardiner. It will be another step towards running Arena and his friends out of the ward
12/16/2019 02:26:00 PM
Got a name?
Part I:
If they're claiming that burning 12 CD's is too burdensome for a single request, then they're counting on the requester complaining to the AG PAC and that'll take time. Take note of the fact that the pricks didn't say there weren't any records - there are some. They just don't want to provide them all at once.
So fine, do this:
Give them 12 requests for the information, each request asking for a particular CD in the sequence (1...12). File each request separately over a period of 16 days. File the first 6 requests the first week, the remaining the next week. Net result is that they get to produce the same friggin information, but it's technically different requests.
At that point you can count on the pricks claiming you're a "Recurrent Requester" and demanding to take additional time, but it doesn't qualify as a "Recurrent Request[er]" the way it's being submitted (5 ILCS 140/2(g)).
There are exemptions to the "Recurrent Requester" time extension, here's the text of 5 ILCS 140/2(g):
"(g) "Recurrent requester", as used in Section 3.2 of this Act, means a person that, in the 12 months immediately preceding the request, has submitted to the same public body (i) a minimum of 50 requests for records, (ii) a minimum of 15 requests for records within a 30-day period, or (iii) a minimum of 7 requests for records within a 7-day period. For purposes of this definition, requests made by news media and non-profit, scientific, or academic organizations shall not be considered in calculating the number of requests made in the time periods in this definition when the principal purpose of the requests is (i) to access and disseminate information concerning news and current or passing events, (ii) for articles of opinion or features of interest to the public, or (iii) for the purpose of academic, scientific, or public research or education.
For the purposes of this subsection (g), "request" means a written document (or oral request, if the public body chooses to honor oral requests) that is submitted to a public body via personal delivery, mail, telefax, electronic mail, or other means available to the public body and that identifies the particular public record the requester seeks. One request may identify multiple records to be inspected or copied."
Expecting the arrogant fools at COPS to claim you're a "Recurrent Requester" or subject to some kind of fees, claim one of the exemptions to that in your requests by including this language in EACH REQUEST (or if you really want to make them insane, in one request):
"I would like to request a waiver of all fees under 5 ILCS 140/6(c) because a principal purpose of the request is to access and disseminate information regarding the health, safety and welfare or the legal rights of the general public and is not for the principal purpose of personal or commercial benefit. Further, that that pursuant to 5 ILCS 140/2(g) a principal purpose of the requests is (i) to access and disseminate information concerning news and current or passing events, (ii) for articles of opinion or features of interest to the public, or (iii) for the purpose of academic, scientific, or public research or education. This request is made by the >insert whatever name you want< Educational Foundation for Better Government."
Part II:
Note that the ">whatever name< Educational Foundation for Better Government" doesn't have to be any 'official' entity whatsoever, not even a filed DBA. "Academic, scientific, or public research or education" was never defined in the FOI Act, so it can be whatever you want it to be. If COPA responds that they want documentation of the official filing of the entity, respond that you don't have to provide it to them. Then file a complaint with the IL AG PAC because they've unlawfully delayed or denied your lawful request.
FYI - the text of the FOI Act is here: http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs3.asp?ActID=85&ChapterID=2
Finally, entities subject to FOIA are required to keep particular records that can be very revealing. Try this request:
"Dear Mr. >records officer<:
This is a FOIA request for the following information:
* Pursuant to 5 ILCS 140/4(a) - a brief description of Citizens Oversight Police Authority (COPA), including a short summary of purpose, a block diagram giving functional subdivisions, the total amount of the COPA operating budget, the number and location of all of its separate offices, the approximate number of full and part‑time employees, and the identification and membership of any board, commission, committee, or council which operates in an advisory capacity relative to the operation of the public body, or which exercises control over its policies or procedures, or to which the public body is required to report and be answerable for its operations.
* Pursuant to 5 ILCS 140/4(b) A brief description of the methods whereby the public may request information and public records, a directory designating the Freedom of Information officer or officers, the address where requests for public records should be directed, and any fees allowable under Section 6 of this Act.
* Pursuant to 5 ILCS 140/5 a reasonably current list of all types or categories of records under the control of COPA. Please also detail the dates this list was first created and last updated.
* Pursuant to 5 ILCS 140/6(b) detail the actual costs of reproducing public records. Provide copies of paid vendor invoices as necessary in support of this claim. Scope: Years 2017 to Present.
* Pursuant to 5 ILCS 140/6(c) provide a list of all requests for fee waivers of approved FOIA requests which were denied. I want to know how many fee waivers were requested, which were subsequently denied by COPA. Scope: Years 2017 to Present.
* Pursuant to 5 ILCS 140/9(b) provide a copy of the single central file containing copies of all notices of denial, and its required index. Scope: Entire contents of file.
* Provide details of the number of times that COPA has been a party to a lawsuit for injunctive or declaratory relief due to denial of access to inspect or copy any public record.
Please provide these records in Adobe PDF format, via email to my address. If this is not possible, please provide the records on CD-ROM or DVD-ROM. In the event they are not available electronically, I request copies of them on 8.5" x 11" white paper, and I would like to request a waiver of all fees under 5 ILCS 140/6(c) because the principal purpose of the request is to access and disseminate information regarding the health, safety and welfare or the legal rights of the general public and is not for the principal purpose of personal or commercial benefit. Further, that pursuant to 5 ILCS 140/2(g) a principal purpose of the requests is (i) to access and disseminate information concerning news and current or passing events, (ii) for articles of opinion or features of interest to the public, or (iii) for the purpose of academic, scientific, or public research or education. This request is made by the >insert whatever name you want< Educational Foundation for Better Government.
Thank you for your time and kind consideration. If you have any questions, please contact me.
Sincerely,
>your name<
>address<
>phone< "
For what it's worth.. the person looking for these records is a nut job. Stop posting on social media, stop generating RD numbers for your fellow detectives to investigate. No ASA is going to touch an alderman/former alderman.
COPA also is keeping their own files on POs containing COPAs finding on complaints they investigated on POs EVEN THOUGH THE CITY HASNT AGREED WITH THEIR FINDINGS sustaining the complaint. So when the shit head and his shit head lawyer tell the ASA that his client filed a complaint against the PO for the case they are on, the ASA requests the info from COPA who then sends the ASA their file on the Officer NOT the offical file with the findings from the city which are what the Officers jacket contains. Total BS they are keeping their secret files on POs. The union is useless on the matter too.
Anonymous Anonymous said... 12/16/2019 02:26:00 PM
Got a name?
The Arena flunky running for 45th Ward Dem Committee(man/woman/person) is Ellen Hill.
Anonymous said...
Former Alderman Arena, this evil bastard who wants to strip you of your Constitutional rights, will be running for the 38th ward. Will you get off your couch to campaign against him? Or will you just bitch and moan on the internet?
12/16/2019 04:52:00 PM
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So is he moving to the 38th under its present boundaries, or are you predicting they map him in come 2021 after they reset boundaries and Sposato retires in 2023?
COPA has Confidential Informants?
And their trolling your social media, copying inordinate amounts of files and failing to sign affidavits in violation of state law:
During a recent FOIA request, COPA informed a requestor that there is information that could not be released due to it compromising the identity of their confidential source. So apparently COPA gets to now have “CI’s” and run covert investigations.
One minute they’re getting Search Warrants for Officers property, the next they’re working with Confidential Informants.
OPS, IPRA, COPA and IGO have ALWAYS run confidential investigations. Why would you think they didnt? They are/were investigative agencies. CCSA, FBI County Sheriffs office does it too. Arrest of a CPD member is a feather in all their caps
This is clearly a 1st amendment violation and the Feds should be investigating COPA. We all know , however; that FBI famous but incompetent!
At least some of the complaints filed by ex-alderasshole Arena have been ruled "unfounded".
http://nadignewspapers.com/2019/12/18/copa-documents-show-racially-charged-comment-allegation-unfounded-against-several-officers/
3 Bricks short of a Load Says:
COPA =
Communist - Operated Police Antagonists
"...This is clearly a 1st amendment violation and the Feds should be investigating COPA. We all know , however; that FBI famous but incompetent!..."
A COPA lackey reading a post a couple of weeks ago babbled about COPA getting increased funding, incrased hiring, blah blah, blah...
What this inept asshole didn't post was
COPA is going to be under intensified watch. The Public Safety IG and the Chicago OIG will be breathing down their necks to oversee any inept or corrupt investigations. That means these two IG agencies will have their work cut out for them.
If you think COPA is breaking the law, or personnel policy while investigating you, file a complaint against those assholes. If one of their legal staff is misbehaving file a IARDC complaint him or her.
And FOIA their investigations.
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