Finally, a Contract Demand
- Fed up with the 2 1/2-year wait for a new contract, the Fraternal Order of Police board has voted to put their demand for an 18% pay raise over three years in the hands of an independent arbitrator.
With his own union election just over four months away, Fraternal Order of Police President Kevin Graham accused Mayor Lori Lightfoot of “stalling” negotiations with a union with whom she has engaged in a cold war.
“We have gotten nowhere….City attorneys have come to the table and it has been the exact same thing. They are unwilling to negotiate any single item. They’ve offered us 10% over five years, but they offered the teachers 16” percent, Graham said.
As an e-mailer wrote to us and going strictly by the results Special Ed and Google-me released every damn month for the past three years, crime has gone down. And so have reading and math scores.
One is a positive, the other is a negative, and you shouldn't be rewarding the teachers for fucking up their jobs while we're succeeding on a year-over-year basis.
When does the Arbitration begin?
One is a positive, the other is a negative, and you shouldn't be rewarding the teachers for fucking up their jobs while we're succeeding on a year-over-year basis.
When does the Arbitration begin?
Labels: contract stuff
posted by SCC at 12:11 AM
153 Comments:
FOP needs to ask for a social worker and a nurse per sector 24 - 7.
OT: anytime a firearm incident is recorded. Force review unit watches video and looks for anything against department policy to either recommend training or initiate a log number. Check for yourselves in the clearnet dashboard...
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Just who the hell is this Adam Schiff looking k9 guy beat 4724 that likes to do traffic stops in 008 and then tries to pawn them off on us beat cars when he discovers it’s a 501 or warrant? Tried to tell the sarge that he’s a ‘support unit’ and can’t be tied up on an arrest. Newsflash asshole, don’t start something you don’t intend on finishing. don’t try to push off your shitshow on us guys, we’re busy enough out here. handle your business like a man not like a pimp. guys like you ruin units doin shit like this, just saying.
Kevin ain't going back to the watch should he lose the election. It ain't going to happen. Old timers would always say no FOP president goes back to the district to push a beat car. Do any of you need an explanation as to why that is...
Since we’re swiping how about getting paid for lunch, along with the 18%.
RIP Alex Valadez 14 years ago today is the first time I saw that big goofy smile of yours, I will never forget it. 05-5
Excerpt from the link.
“We have gotten nowhere….City attorneys have come to the table and it has been the exact same thing. They are unwilling to negotiate any single item. They’ve offered us 10% over five years, but they offered the teachers 16” percent, Graham said.
...and you empty headed fools(on the watch) still generate revenue with movers, parkers, anovs and then go out and find self initiated arrests. I'm looking forward to my RETRO check, then I'm out. Too many people afraid of losing their spot for the department to band together. When you walk into a district station it feels like (US vs.THEM)
They want us to do multiple job descriptions and keep trying to half-ass train us to be professionals in professions other than police. i.e. doctors, psychologists, electricians(taser), fathers, counselors, teachers, cameramen, directors, lawyers, emts, paramedics, defense attorneys...this list goes on. pay us!
Well it's about damn time. CTU got what they wanted and they did it by showing that they had a pair! Let's see what happens, hopefully it will fall in the favor of the PO'S.
This is great news! Way to go FOP! Enough is enough. You gave the new Lightfoot administration a chance but they played games. We have no other choice. Thanks for your efforts Kevin Graham. Now it’s time to present the best argument for the arbitrator whoever that may be.
Excellent Great news! It’s shameful that the city treats their police officers this way putting them on the back burner dragging their feet negotiating while they give the teachers everything they want right away. Good job FOP. Lets fast track this.
I just want to enjoy my retro!
Please don’t forget CPS logged over 500 sexual assault complaints from students over 10 years.
Must be election time and they want to trick you into thinking they are doing something. Don’t fall for it throw the bums out.
Good thing! Now let’s see what happens. It’s just tough time to be the Police. We have no choice but to go to arbitration.
how about day-off cancelled should be double time and a holiday cancelled triple time.
((10% raise while policing communism) OR(16% raise to brainwash communism to young people, can say kids, you know why))
But the raise was for the children, even though the city’s birth rate is in decline, more money to brainwash less👍
Anonymous Anonymous said...
RIP Alex Valadez 14 years ago today is the first time I saw that big goofy smile of yours, I will never forget it. 05-5
RIP- I too will never forget the huge smile sitting in vendenteria day one in our suits . 05-5
Sell back 200 hours a year would be great
Obviously we will never get 18% from any arbitrator. Even with a pro police arbitrator the best we can hope for is 12% over 4 years.
Sorry Kevin but FOP needs NEW blood!!
Arbitration is long overdue.
good luck to you...from a citizen who supports you.
12/05/2019 02:27:00 AM
that is why you fail...
They aren't teachers, they're indoctrinators. They have the easiest jobs there are.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Since we’re swiping how about getting paid for lunch, along with the 18%.
12/05/2019 12:58:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Good point. And pay us because we have to keep our body cams on. We shouldn’t have to do that for free.
Stick it to that clown in charge of city hall. .
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Just who the hell is this Adam Schiff looking k9 guy beat 4724 that likes to do traffic stops in 008 and then tries to pawn them off on us beat cars when he discovers it’s a 501 or warrant? Tried to tell the sarge that he’s a ‘support unit’ and can’t be tied up on an arrest. Newsflash asshole, don’t start something you don’t intend on finishing. don’t try to push off your shitshow on us guys, we’re busy enough out here. handle your business like a man not like a pimp. guys like you ruin units doin shit like this, just saying.
12/05/2019 12:43:00 AM
I agree.....I remember a lot of "unit" guys would try and pull that bullshit. I would say fuck no.....your stop.....your arrest....If you can't testify on probable cause because you were not there then you can't be in box 1...The other thing that burned me up was the assholes from Homan Square would do a buy bust or warrant and then ask for a transport from the district. Fuck that do your own transport....you have enforcement cars. They just didn't want some smelly asshole offender in their car.
It’s been 2.5 years and Lori just got here.
Kevin, why didn’t you move for arbitration years ago? You know, when Rahm was here! He fucked up the Dept in so many ways too.
The cost of living in Chicago has dramatically increased. Why do have to wait years for a pay increase?
18% over three. Ha ha ha ha ha. Is weed legal yet?
Anonymous said...
Please don’t forget CPS logged over 500 sexual assault complaints from students over 10 years.
12/05/2019 02:55:00 AM
Why is there no police investigations into these sexual assaults hello detectives????
Good job FOP, she was never going to be fair with us. And also thanks CTU for raising the bar.
Be very careful when throwing stones your living in a glass house. Those CPS sexual assaults' can be countered by a very large number CPD screw ups this year and last.
Besides what does that have to do with a contract.
Arbitration is a bad move they may take away Officer contract protections don't do it.
Well put SCC, very well put!
OMG. Blah blah blah. Did Graham send her a strongly worded letter?!
Get rid of this bloated baffoon!!!! Kevin looks out for kevin. You cant believe
ANYTHING he says.
Why did the teachers get 16%?
It was because they went out on strike and made parents have to deal with their kids, as opposed to CPS.
Coppers cannot strike, but you sure as hell can take the day off at work.
Unless it is shooting at you or gets run over by your car, just let it go...they get what they pay for.
10% for us??!wat a joke!! Libtard teachers arent worth a dime
Anonymous said...
I just want to enjoy my retro!
12/05/2019 02:27:00 AM
PLEASE DON'T PUL A JOHNSON! Think with your big head and do not sell our souls for pennies of "retro" Do not allow them to have us pull it out only to give up any(every)thing and get nut'n
Anonymous 008 2/w said...
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Just who the hell is this Adam Schiff looking k9 guy beat 4724 that likes to do traffic stops in 008 and then tries to pawn them off on us beat cars when he discovers it’s a 501 or warrant? Tried to tell the sarge that he’s a ‘support unit’ and can’t be tied up on an arrest. Newsflash asshole, don’t start something you don’t intend on finishing. don’t try to push off your shitshow on us guys, we’re busy enough out here. handle your business like a man not like a pimp. guys like you ruin units doin shit like this, just saying.
12/05/2019 12:43:00 AM
Maybe some of you coppers forget the West side of 008! Get your a$$e$ out here and police our West end
Just to clarify the issue: didn’t the teachers’ 16% include two years of no raises? So it really needs to be spread out over those additional years to come up with the actual annual raise. So we need to be very careful in the language regarding a raise.
Any troops read this blog? What’s with this? Sounds like ISP has the same BS as us going on. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.chicagotribune.com/business/transportation/ct-biz-state-troopers-tollway-corruption-lawsuit-20191204-e2m3xt2qtvfm5ka6wzuukbtqne-story.html%3foutputType=amp
Just who the hell is this Adam Schiff looking k9 guy beat 4724 that likes to do traffic stops in 008 and then tries to pawn them off on us beat cars when he discovers it’s a 501 or warrant? Tried to tell the sarge that he’s a ‘support unit’ and can’t be tied up on an arrest. Newsflash asshole, don’t start something you don’t intend on finishing. don’t try to push off your shitshow on us guys, we’re busy enough out here. handle your business like a man not like a pimp. guys like you ruin units doin shit like this, just saying.
Jag*** is probably trying to get vri activity.
The letter notifying the city of the FOP’s intent to file for arbitration, was sent over a year ago. In a bid to save himself,Kevin delayed a demand for arbitration until right before the election. Too late Kevin, you’re toast. Kevin is the only person on the job dumber than Eddie Johnson, who played Kevin like a fiddle. Kevin has exactly 1 board member running on his ticket. That’s how hapless he is. It’s time for the Squire to retire to his estate in Lincolnshire.
Kevin ain't going back to the watch should he lose the election. It ain't going to happen. Old timers would always say no FOP president goes back to the district to push a beat car. Do any of you need an explanation as to why that is...
Well to quote Ray Casiano, he’s acquired too much knowledge to be wasted on a beat car.
How about making a baby furlough day a full f**king day. Also more v days. Never have the police been subjected to so much s**t you want us fresh and focused then give me 3 months vacation like the teachers.
Anonymous 008 2/w said...
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Just who the hell is this Adam Schiff looking k9 guy beat 4724 that likes to do traffic stops in 008 and then tries to pawn them off on us beat cars when he discovers it’s a 501 or warrant? Tried to tell the sarge that he’s a ‘support unit’ and can’t be tied up on an arrest. Newsflash asshole, don’t start something you don’t intend on finishing. don’t try to push off your shitshow on us guys, we’re busy enough out here. handle your business like a man not like a pimp. guys like you ruin units doin shit like this, just saying.
12/05/2019 12:43:00 AM
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Speaking of old K9 guys did anyone ever find Rick King's dog Bear? Heard that the dog is asking for asylum from Homeland Security and Witness Protection from the feds. How do you lose two dogs?
Fop Pres wants to keep his spot and the big lunches and dinners. Almost FOP election time... Just noise no action shitshow.
Just stripped the second Officer from slam dunk! They are on their own due to their own fault, why are you stopping anyone? See what it gets you!
I only care about another crime reduction ribbon for my uniform. Two more and I'll be a 3rd world general!
Regarding 4724, he would fit right in on PH1. Loves the radio, he was kicked out of the mounted unit for a reason. Total boot licker!
They want to judge job performance by statistics. Isn't crime down 20% and they offer us a shit raise. Are the test scores up for CPS students, which is the proof of a teacher doing their job. Highly doubt it. The raise we were offered and what the teachers received is a slap in the face
Maybe mention a request for a few new cruisers?
Lets hope we don't get fucked like the Sgt's union did with there contract. 6 year term 2.5% increase for health care and without the me too raise the sgt's are getting 8% over 6 years or 1.3% a year with the increase in insurance. Yikes
I as a citizen who appreciates what CPD does for us everyday, like postman, but twenty four hours a day including Sundays. A raise should not even be an issue. I te my officer friends that fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq had got to be easier than what police officers deal with everyday. Mentals, piss bums, little old ladies and killers, criminals and jags in all flavors. When we got off the chalk we knew what we were going to face, CPD, not so much. Thinking about this makes me want to pour a two finger bourbon, but I usually don't drink until after ten thirty a.m.
And all this time and talk from Rahm and assholes etc, I thought my tax dollars were going towards a raise. Get your long overdue raise and fuck this crooked city.
Be safe, Richard
Remember " ITS ALL FOR THE CHILREN"
Only “demanded” by Kevin because of election coming up soon. Best part is no one wants to run with him. He has tried asking numerous people and they all said no.
There was a lot of “I’s” in one of the recent articles. “I” negotiated the day off schedule. “I” negotiated the 4 and 2. Just around election time he is saying everything HE did. How about YOU allowed the city to go back to Thursday for change day without getting anything in return!!! How about YOU failed to intervene in the Consent Decree. Any god that may have happened during his tenure happens because it was already in the works.
How about getting duty back for the new guys since they get fucked with the most. It wouldn’t even affect me I voted no for that last contract. Stick together and stop giving stuff up
Anonymous 008 2/w said...
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Just who the hell is this Adam Schiff looking k9 guy beat 4724 that likes to do traffic stops in 008 and then tries to pawn them off on us beat cars when he discovers it’s a 501 or warrant? Tried to tell the sarge that he’s a ‘support unit’ and can’t be tied up on an arrest. Newsflash asshole, don’t start something you don’t intend on finishing. don’t try to push off your shitshow on us guys, we’re busy enough out here. handle your business like a man not like a pimp. guys like you ruin units doin shit like this, just saying.
12/05/2019 12:43:00 AM
Typical pussy move. He’s probably too lazy and not confident in his report writing so he wants someone else to tell his story while he and his doggy go home and snuggle. You can stop this by having the supervisors hold him down processing his arrest.
Just who the hell is this Adam Schiff looking k9 guy beat 4724 that likes to do traffic stops in 008 and then tries to pawn them off on us beat cars when he discovers it’s a 501 or warrant? Tried to tell the sarge that he’s a ‘support unit’ and can’t be tied up on an arrest. Newsflash asshole, don’t start something you don’t intend on finishing. don’t try to push off your shitshow on us guys, we’re busy enough out here. handle your business like a man not like a pimp. guys like you ruin units doin shit like this, just saying.
I call them -“shit diggers”, if I were you I wouldn’t never take this crap over, it is your stop , it is your observation, you are the police
How in the hell I am suppose to testify based of your observation
Anonymous said...
Kevin ain't going back to the watch should he lose the election. It ain't going to happen. Old timers would always say no FOP president goes back to the district to push a beat car. Do any of you need an explanation as to why that is...
12/05/2019 12:54:00 AM
Ummmm..No. The reason we are going to arbitration is because Graham and the FOP fought hard and said no way to all the city’s crazy demands. It’s also been 2.5 years so arbitration is a no brainer.
Since the angry,volatile, hostile, always temperamental GrootLoafer isn’t going to get any of her wicked disciplinary measures implemented it’s reasonable to believe Grout will snub, slow roll the contract process even more - just like Rahm, just like ShortShanks and shop arbiters...well, actually they probably already have several city connected favorites. It’s not a fair and square contest and Larri LightLoafer gets to poor mouth and finger point.
FOP is always at a disadvantage because Democrats have done their due diligence in vilifying the police.
We get to keep what we already have and hope for CPS-CTU preferred package (98% voted to Strike, 94% voted to accept contract) with the exception of Groot appointees violating the current Contract as they try always do. That means changing hours days off willy-nilly, same merit process, yada yada yada.
Questions: Does CFD have any contract urgency concerns or are they just going to be piggybacking on a Me Too clause?
Seems a one-two donkey punch would be a better approach to combat the wombat.
Stay Slumped
Anonymous 008 2/w said...
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Just who the hell is this Adam Schiff looking k9 guy beat 4724 that likes to do traffic stops in 008 and then tries to pawn them off on us beat cars when he discovers it’s a 501 or warrant? Tried to tell the sarge that he’s a ‘support unit’ and can’t be tied up on an arrest. Newsflash asshole, don’t start something you don’t intend on finishing. don’t try to push off your shitshow on us guys, we’re busy enough out here. handle your business like a man not like a pimp. guys like you ruin units doin shit like this, just saying.
About time and glad you said “tries” and that Sgt stood by you. Never accept a job another officer initiated, especially now with the cameras and citizens video. You gave no idea what transpired prior to the K9 guy calling you. If he needs a transport fine or assistance fine, but it’s his job. If he is a support unit, then support don’t initiate any stops
This is horrible news......The fop failed. Asking for 16% with the city offering 10.5% is madness. The arbitrator has to synthesize the consent decree/our current contract/and each sides offer. The result at this point will be for an arbitrator to rule on the cities side for consent decree and discipline and fop side for pay increase.
The fop needed to demand an instant 25-30 raise for any officer on the street due to the complete change in use of force policy, bwc's, and consent decree related changes. The entire patrol risk model has changed.
Solution.....vote for Canrazarra and his team. They will undo the mess, It's not too late because an arbitrator has not been chosen, Go back to the drawing board.
Anonymous said...
Kevin ain't going back to the watch should he lose the election. It ain't going to happen. Old timers would always say no FOP president goes back to the district to push a beat car. Do any of you need an explanation as to why that is...
12/05/2019 12:54:00 AM
First, we all know your insinuation is that Kevin Graham will get some sweet spot from Lightfoot if he’s not re-elected. Why? He’s been a thorn in her side being a strong president for the members. This is what we want. This is why we’re going to arbitration. Graham didn’t give in to the city’s demands while asking for all kinds of enhancements for the members. Also, Kevin Graham has been on TV and in print media defending us more than any president I’ve seen in 22 years. FOP gave the new Lightfoot administration a chance, but it’s gone on too long. Second, if Graham were to lose, the reason he’d probably retire would be because he’d have a target on his back for fighting so hard for the police. He definitely didn’t play ball with city hall. That’s obvious. Remember, he’s the only one that met President Trump at O’Hare thanking him for supporting Law Enforcement. City hall didn’t like that. And you think he’ll get a spot from Lightfoot? Those spots are reserved for John Arena types. Good job Graham and FOP!
In other news:
How is the City going to manage 4000 people taking an oral part 2 in March? Will it really be over multiple days? How do they plan keeping people from sharing?
Anonymous 008 2/w said...
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Just who the hell is this Adam Schiff looking k9 guy beat 4724 that likes to do traffic stops in 008 and then tries to pawn them off on us beat cars when he discovers it’s a 501 or warrant? Tried to tell the sarge that he’s a ‘support unit’ and can’t be tied up on an arrest. Newsflash asshole, don’t start something you don’t intend on finishing. don’t try to push off your shitshow on us guys, we’re busy enough out here. handle your business like a man not like a pimp. guys like you ruin units doin shit like this, just saying.
12/05/2019 12:43:00 AM
Real simple put him in box 1 or in the witness box for tickets. Write everything that 4724 observed and related to R/O but due to the elite nature of his assignment could not process arrest etc. let him have fun at court explaining it
How about 25 years at 50 and out at 75% with insurance! If they would do the math it makes financial sense.
I want what is fair 2% a year. Yes, we had some bad officers lately in news that will be used against us.
Anonymous 008 2/w said...
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Just who the hell is this Adam Schiff looking k9 guy beat 4724 that likes to do traffic stops in 008 and then tries to pawn them off on us beat cars when he discovers it’s a 501 or warrant? Tried to tell the sarge that he’s a ‘support unit’ and can’t be tied up on an arrest. Newsflash asshole, don’t start something you don’t intend on finishing. don’t try to push off your shitshow on us guys, we’re busy enough out here. handle your business like a man not like a pimp. guys like you ruin units doin shit like this, just saying.
12/05/2019 12:43:00 AM
Be an adult and tell the guy yourself. I wouldn’t handle someone elses mess. How are you fo believe what he says happened actually happened? Probably didn’t have a camera activated.
Anonymous said...
how about day-off cancelled should be double time and a holiday cancelled triple time.
You would not last a day in the real world... hahaha
Putting an addition on the house. What's up with the retro check?
Anonymous 008 2/w said...
O/T Just who the hell is this Adam Schiff looking k9 guy beat 4724 that likes to do traffic stops in 008 and then tries to pawn them off on us beat cars when he discovers it’s a 501 or warrant? Tried to tell the sarge that he’s a ‘support unit’ and can’t be tied up on an arrest. Newsflash asshole, don’t start something you don’t intend on finishing. don’t try to push off your shitshow on us guys, we’re busy enough out here. handle your business like a man not like a pimp. guys like you ruin units doin shit like this, just saying.
12/05/2019 12:43:00 AM
Get in his GD face about it and make a scene, if you got a problem about it. Fuxk some azzhole making your job harder. Dam.
How about making getting rid of residency a top priority. If u have to lobby to have a law change, fuck it, so be it. Just get it done. I’ll commute the extra half hour if it allows me to raise my kids in a nice area with much less violence and good schools. Not to mention, a place where we don’t have to live on top of each other.
City knows that we cant have any type of job action so we will get the usual 2 percent a year for 4 years. Graham and Prieb need to go
This is the history of Chicago labor, first it was a struggle to gain labor representation, captains with clout announcing at roll call, my father and grandfather didn't need a union, only to be booed after we had worked through the CFD strike as they fought for a contract. Thankfully Mayor Byrne gave us that opportunity and treated us decently. I recall being assigned to traffic control when she came out to a neighborhood to speak. Her driver called us over to the limo where he offered us hot lunches that she requested they stop for on the way. We had nothing before she came in.
City will give you 5% over five years, if you’re lucky.
"When does the Arbitration begin?"
When Santa visits FLOP Lozenge 7 on December 7th.
K9 unit punk has to make his own arrest if he makes the stop
call your sergeant
Everybody’s commenting on how great this is going to arbitration did you ever stop to think that the arbitrator will not find in our favor at all and we may get fucked I’ve been on for sometime now arbitration has always been a part of our negotiation it has never been negotiated on the table it has always gone to arbitration and the arbitrator always sides with the business with the business owner in this case the city we’re going to get fucked
How is this for outrageous 3 of eddies drivers being reassigned, the clout still helps “keep yo mouf shut,” going to midway airport! Guess being “silent mouse” not “talking rat,” helps! Hey Motocross tough guy Beck look over here “watcha gonna do when they overrun you brother?”
Follow the bouncing ball and looks like “kissing face,” girl getting another great spot! This is like a bad old time Batman script “pow boof wham” Charlie you looking through your glasses or eddies beer goggles?
the difference between the teachers and the police = the teachers CAN STRIKE. Also some year back didn't the FOP go to arbitration comparing the fact that the teachers got a higher salary than the Police and the arbitrator said different jobs, different circumstances.
Groot says Chicago’s broke no more money then here you go vault opened again:
Eyewitness to Laquan McDonald shooting settles lawsuit with city for proposed $125,000 payout
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/criminal-justice/ct-laquan-mcdonald-shooting-lawsuit-settled-20191205-63gw4h2elrbkbjfhxggcovdpcq-story.html
Read the story bullshit meter on overload!! Who’s the connected attorney?
FOP better ask for an 18% raise over five years, along with enforcing beat size limits and a commitment to put nurses and social workers in every district by 2023. And lastly they should push for lifting residency (including the Rahm effect) and giving every PO a take home squad.
Seems unlikely to happen but unless you put it on the table it wont happen.
Bad move no way arbitrator gives that much. Look around the country at what other departments got not one has even got over 10 percent over 3 years. Teachers are irrelevant to this because they arent police.
Anonymous 008 2/w said...
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Just who the hell is this Adam Schiff looking k9 guy beat 4724 that likes to do traffic stops in 008 and then tries to pawn them off on us beat cars when he discovers it’s a 501 or warrant? Tried to tell the sarge that he’s a ‘support unit’ and can’t be tied up on an arrest. Newsflash asshole, don’t start something you don’t intend on finishing. don’t try to push off your shitshow on us guys, we’re busy enough out here. handle your business like a man not like a pimp. guys like you ruin units doin shit like this, just saying.
12/05/2019 12:43:00 AM
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Speaking of old K9 guys did anyone ever find Rick King's dog Bear? Heard that the dog is asking for asylum from Homeland Security and Witness Protection from the feds. How do you lose two dogs?
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Rick is probably the most useless union rep in the FOP. He’s in charge of GOP stickers- lol
One word, gentlemen.
Residency.
Graham played his cards properly. Everyone bashing him probably didn't see how Seattle negotiated with their city for the 18% and 2% body camera stipend. That's what he wanted to negotiate on our behalf. The city (shocker) told us to piss off. Well, we have Seattle police and the CTU to compare to AND court dispositions against the city for unfair labor practices. Let's see how this plays out. The supervisor's union leaders need to be castrated.
This is horrible news......The fop failed. Asking for 16% with the city offering 10.5% is madness. The arbitrator has to synthesize the consent decree/our current contract/and each sides offer. The result at this point will be for an arbitrator to rule on the cities side for consent decree and discipline and fop side for pay increase.
The fop needed to demand an instant 25-30 raise for any officer on the street due to the complete change in use of force policy, bwc's, and consent decree related changes. The entire patrol risk model has changed.
Solution.....vote for Canrazarra and his team. They will undo the mess, It's not too late because an arbitrator has not been chosen, Go back to the drawing board.
You sir, are an idiot! You don’t understand how the process works, you don’t know the statutory factors an arbitrator must consider based on Illinois Labor Law. The teacher’s raise has 0 impact on the police raise. Based on your illogic, why stop at 25-30? Let’s ask for 100% raise and end up halfway between 16% and 100%.
Putting an addition on the house. What's up with the retro check?
12/05/2019 12:23:00 PM
Hear ya buddy! Been living out the garage in 112th and Spaulding five years since the attic fire. Blue tarps expensive.
We had nothing before she came in.
12/05/2019 01:18:00 PM
Wrongo. We had the Rochford files.
Its a little late don't ya think!
Should have held the little midgets feet to the fire before the teachers contract!
Go after Lightfoot now with everything Graham. It’s about time for arbitration.
5/2019 01:46:00 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
K9 unit punk has to make his own arrest if he makes the stop
call your sergeant
U must be talking about the fake tough guy with the toothpick in his mouth. What a clown MO.
Anonymous said...
I want what is fair 2% a year. Yes, we had some bad officers lately in news that will be used against us.
12/05/2019 12:04:00 PM
FUCK YOU! I'm sure you work for, or might be lori! I want the same amount the teachers got and not a damn dime less! So fuck you and 2 percent
Lighten up Francis !!! Just tell the canine car 4724 "You catch um you clean um" !!
Anonymous said...
Everybody’s commenting on how great this is going to arbitration did you ever stop to think that the arbitrator will not find in our favor at all and we may get fucked I’ve been on for sometime now arbitration has always been a part of our negotiation it has never been negotiated on the table it has always gone to arbitration and the arbitrator always sides with the business with the business owner in this case the city we’re going to get fucked
12/05/2019 03:31:00 PM
It’s sure better than what the city offered which is NOTHING. Also outrageous discipline restructuring. What choice do we have? Wait another 2 years and still no progress?
I want what is fair 2% a year. Yes, we had some bad officers lately in news that will be used against us.
12/05/2019 12:04:00 PM
Are you a crackhead or are you commenting on behalf of City Hall?
Working days in a Northwest side dist one days when other cat and I got a job to handle accident with a DUI. The caller was on duty caps officer who witness the whole incident. When we pulled up he said here is your DUI. I told him no he is your DUI arrest I will transport him in for you. He yea but I'm going to lunch. We told him will wait for him to get back.
To the beat car complaining about doing a transport for Homan- suck it!
You probably rode that transport job for an hour right into lunch anyways.
You do realize that you have a CAGE CAR securing the arrestee in the rear, and the Unmarked enforcements don’t have a cage, right?
So aside from it being an officer safety issue, and it’s also a DEPARTMENT ORDER that arrestee’s are to be transported in a vehicle with a protective divider or squadrol ONLY.
Reference G06-01-01 “Field Arrest Procedures” if you’d care to maybe know what your talking about one day, or maybe enjoy passing a promotional exam someday.
And on top of that, you’re right. Sometimes team members ride in the back seat of an enforcement car. Why would I want to sit where dirty dude just parked his ass?
Sorry to hear doing your job “burns you up.”
Anonymous Anonymous said...
How about 25 years at 50 and out at 75% with insurance! If they would do the math it makes financial sense.
12/05/2019 11:57:00 AM
If it did they would have done it a long time ago letting an officer leave at a younger age, with a larger percentage of his pay and insurance as he lives longer makes a lot of sense
Maybe in your world but not in the real or financial world
Our pension is in trouble now, this would bankrupt in a few years. Have no idea of how you think it makes financial sense
Real simple put him in box 1 or in the witness box for tickets. Write everything that 4724 observed and related to R/O but due to the elite nature of his assignment could not process arrest etc. let him have fun at court explaining it
Not simple. Simple is simply saying it’s your job, you made the stop, you handle the paper and arrest Nothing more to say. Up to him do it or let him go. You cannot release a prisoner you never arrested or stopped
Anonymous Anonymous said...
"When does the Arbitration begin?"
When Santa visits FLOP Lozenge 7 on December 7th.
12/05/2019 01:46:00 PM
Takes a long time. Just picking an arbitrator is a job. A list is compiled of 7 arbitrators. Then the city eliminates one, then FOP eliminates 1 until only one remains. Takes a while not done in a few days like the NFL
Makes no sense at all Pension would be broke. Guessin you must have been absent some of those math classes
Anonymous said...
Everybody’s commenting on how great this is going to arbitration did you ever stop to think that the arbitrator will not find in our favor at all and we may get fucked I’ve been on for sometime now arbitration has always been a part of our negotiation it has never been negotiated on the table it has always gone to arbitration and the arbitrator always sides with the business with the business owner in this case the city we’re going to get fucked
12/05/2019 03:31:00 PM
Wrong! Doesn’t work that way. Under the Lightfoot administration arbitration is a much better path. We will be fine. It’s the only way to go at this point. City is stalling and low balling. FOP made the right choice and only choice
Kevin Graham is the biggest liar in the history of the FOP. He’s delusional and the majority of the mess we are in is because of his inability to make a decision and when he does it the wrong one . His field reps from day one told him to intervene in the consent decree . He led the board not to intervene and then blamed them . I , I , I, that’s what it’s all about . He’s a coward who never spoke up for anyone . Go back to Wilson Avenue where u belong !!!!
Anonymous said...
Arbitration is a bad move they may take away Officer contract protections don't do it.
12/05/2019 07:08:00 AM
So the FOP says we want this and that and the city says FU over and over. What’s your plan of action? Keep asking for another 2 years? What route would you take genius? There is no other option but arbitration. That’s how labor negotiations work. If you were in charge we’d be out of a contract for 10 years
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
how about day-off cancelled should be double time and a holiday cancelled triple time.
You would not last a day in the real world... hahaha
Real world? Like in a real world where people have holidays off?? Or a real world where union building engineers make double time on a holiday or people working for an airline make double time and one half working on a holiday. Because police and first responders aren’t the only ones working holidays but are the ones who don’t get a damn thing in pay for it.
Anonymous said...
Kevin ain't going back to the watch should he lose the election. It ain't going to happen. Old timers would always say no FOP president goes back to the district to push a beat car. Do any of you need an explanation as to why that is...
12/05/2019 12:54:00 AM
First, we all know your insinuation is that Kevin Graham will get some sweet spot from Lightfoot if he’s not re-elected. Why? He’s been a thorn in her side being a strong president for the members. This is what we want. This is why we’re going to arbitration. Graham didn’t give in to the city’s demands while asking for all kinds of enhancements for the members. Also, Kevin Graham has been on TV and in print media defending us more than any president I’ve seen in 22 years. FOP gave the new Lightfoot administration a chance, but it’s gone on too long. Second, if Graham were to lose, the reason he’d probably retire would be because he’d have a target on his back for fighting so hard for the police. He definitely didn’t play ball with city hall. That’s obvious. Remember, he’s the only one that met President Trump at O’Hare thanking him for supporting Law Enforcement. City hall didn’t like that. And you think he’ll get a spot from Lightfoot? Those spots are reserved for John Arena types. Good job Graham and FOP
Lol
I’d be happy with just a cost of living raise. And lower the retirement age to 45.
Only “demanded” by Kevin because of election coming up soon.
Should have sunk Johnson when he could have Whys that...
Hes in bed with the city
Just send my retro check to my Texas address I’m Retiring in August 2020
Keep up the pressure. It's been to long without a contract.
Jut curious if you all think Merit promotions are bad why are they not a contract issue. Would solve an awful lot of CPD problems if any promotion required a test to earn it.
Arbitration is a bad move they may take away Officer contract protections don't do it.
Sit back and watch kid, o viously your three years experience shows how enlightened you are to the ways of arbitration. Wow
Good Job Graham? Are you delirious 2.5 years with no contract and you pat the turd on the back. COME ON MAN.
FOP should have gone to arbitration the day after Rhambo announced he wasn’t running again.
Now the city/consent decree wants us to render aid like a paramedic/nurse/doctor. One 8 hour LEMART class and we can apply bandages tourniquets chest compressions etc... They should pay us more just based on that alone. The order is going to say we will have to render aid and not just an ambulance.
How is the City going to manage 4000 people taking an oral part 2 in March? Will it really be over multiple days? How do they plan keeping people from sharing?
12/05/2019 11:27:00 AM
Oral during part 2? A blumpkin! Our subject matter expert for oral exams was just forced to retire.
Anonymous said...
Arbitration is a bad move they may take away Officer contract protections don't do it.
12/05/2019 07:08:00 AM
So what are we suppose to do then just wait another 5 years??
Can’t you see the City ain’t budging.Arbitration is the only way
Anonymous said...
I’d be happy with just a cost of living raise. And lower the retirement age to 45.
12/05/2019 08:12:00 PM
More like raising the retirement age to collect pension to 63!
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Arbitration is a bad move they may take away Officer contract protections don't do it.
12/05/2019 07:08:00 AM
So the FOP says we want this and that and the city says FU over and over. What’s your plan of action? Keep asking for another 2 years? What route would you take genius? There is no other option but arbitration. That’s how labor negotiations work. If you were in charge we’d be out of a contract for 10 years
12/05/2019 07:37:00 PM
Well I hope your happy when we get a raise and lose all our protections to the consent decree.
Off topic WOW!!! Former President Barack Obama and former first lady Michelle Obama have purchased a nearly 7,000-square-foot home on Martha’s Vineyard in Massachusetts for $11.75 million, according to a report.
Sounds like white flight , could’ve bought a few square blocks on south side of Chicago
Why all the hate for teachers? The CTU showed you how to get what you want. The difference is, your ego and your "respect" is always tied to whatever raise you guys believe you deserve. People in this city don't respect CPD anymore than they respect CTU members...until they need us. If you can't strike-- then "blue flu" it and anyone else on the street go fetal. Organize and demonstrate downtown-- whether you mock it or not, it works!! If you want to control the media talking points, you have to do things that are "media-worthy". Why not have photo opportunities with politicians? Use social media! Get Trump back here...he'd do it in a HEARTBEAT!
The difference is, Rahm's Missing Finger actually wants the CPD to get all it can and more. You wouldn't BELIEVE the raise I'm gonna see by the time I hit the end of this 5 yr contract... significant six figures!!!! Now you can keep whining and bitching about teachers or you can follow our lead. The most pathetic thing you keep doing is sitting in the corner and flicking your bean in tears while the CTU aka "Big Daddy Longstroke" is handling business raw dog without a bag!!! Either jump in and get yours or leave the room...either way, the city coffers and taxes we share are gonna get screwed. The uncontrollable whining and sobbing from this site reeks of weakness. Man Up!!! Take your Nugenix and do some push-ups.
CPD needs some tough love and Rahm's Missing Finger will help you get through this...because I care.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
One word, gentlemen.
Residency.
12/05/2019 04:44:00 PM
Give that pipe dream up, the city will never lift residency, and it is a good thing they don’t. You would see a quicker decline of the city if they did get rid of it.
Kevin "Teddy Bear" Graham is getting tough for the election. Rahm's friend. Lori's friend. Nice guy. Wrong person to be president. But nice guy.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I’d be happy with just a cost of living raise. And lower the retirement age to 45.
12/05/2019 08:12:00 PM
You gonna be sad the rest of your life
Anonymous said...
I want what is fair 2% a year. Yes, we had some bad officers lately in news that will be used against us.
12/05/2019 12:04:00 PM
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that's not even a raise because inflation is around 1.8% YOY. there are plenty of personal finance videos on youtube you should check out next time you're hiding in the hole or on a hospital detail
Working days in a Northwest side dist one days when other cat and I got a job to handle accident with a DUI. The caller was on duty caps officer who witness the whole incident. When we pulled up he said here is your DUI. I told him no he is your DUI arrest I will transport him in for you. He yea but I'm going to lunch. We told him will wait for him to get back.
12/05/2019 06:21:00 PM
Smart move. Never take someone else’s job, especially a DUI. you have no idea of what transpired prior to you arriving on the scene
Kevin Graham will get some sweet spot from Lightfoot if he’s not re-elected. Why? He’s been a thorn in her side being a strong president for the members. This is what we want. This is why we’re going to arbitration. Graham didn’t give in to the city’s demands while asking for all kinds of enhancements for the members. Also, Kevin Graham has been on TV and in print media defending us more than any president I’ve seen in 22 years. FOP gave the new Lightfoot administration a chance, but it’s gone on too long. Second, if Graham were to lose, the reason he’d probably retire would be because he’d have a target on his back for fighting so hard for the police. He definitely didn’t play ball with city hall. That’s obvious. Remember, he’s the only one that met President Trump at O’Hare thanking him for supporting Law Enforcement. City hall didn’t like that. And you think he’ll get a spot from Lightfoot? Those spots are reserved for John Arena types. Good job Graham and FOP
Lol
12/05/2019 08:11:00 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Hello Peter White,
I know you are planning on running with Kevin in the next election and you have taken the captain spot of the cheerleading squad for Kevin. Great! Reality will hit kevin very soon as he is living in denial. Kevin thinks he does a tremendous job. This guy fucks up everything he touches due to his denial. To name a few:
Consent decree- should have intervened
Mayoral election- should have backed a candidate
Pension board trustees election- backed wrong candidates.
Kevin has said more kind things about eddie johnson than his own membership.
Kevin comes in dead last... take it to the bank. Fucking embarrassment.
With us being used as punching bags, we should have a mental health officer and a nurse assigned to every unit.
With arbitration filed it will be at least 12 months before a decision is arrived at....
Good luck, your going to need it.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Off topic WOW!!! Former President Barack Obama and former first lady Michelle Obama have purchased a nearly 7,000-square-foot home on Martha’s Vineyard in Massachusetts for $11.75 million, according to a report.
Sounds like white flight , could’ve bought a few square blocks on south side of Chicago
12/05/2019 10:15:00 PM
Geez, did you hear the Beatles broke up? This is very old news. Happened about 5 months ago.
Anonymous said...
Everybody’s commenting on how great this is going to arbitration did you ever stop to think that the arbitrator will not find in our favor at all and we may get fucked I’ve been on for sometime now arbitration has always been a part of our negotiation it has never been negotiated on the table it has always gone to arbitration and the arbitrator always sides with the business with the business owner in this case the city we’re going to get fucked
Chicken little sky is falling goofs like you are the reason the last shit garbage contract was ratified
I want what is fair 2% a year. Yes, we had some bad officers lately in news that will be used against us.
12/05/2019 12:04:00 PM
2% ,,,,,We had some bad Officers lately ???? You are an idiot. Is that before or after the Officers who have been killed in the line of Duty, injured or been shit on by the idiots at 35th and Michigan or Mayors at City Hall ? Do me a favor,,,Shut Up.
Mayor answered the question this morning. She stated the FOP will wait their turn until the city settles with the supervisors. Plain and simple
Also stated there is a process before the contract can go to arbitration. You just can’t say I want arbitration
This is how it works. City and FOP meet for negotiations and agree on all kinds of issues until only a few issues remain usually, salary, healthcare and a few other. It should be noted that as long as the parties are negotiating in good faith no arbitration and that can take a year or more. After that when certain demands can’t be agreed on they list the issues and request arbitration. That list is usually not very large. The arbitrator does not arbitrate the whole contract issue by issue. At that point the process starts to pick an arbitrator from a list of 7 with city and FOP alternately eliminating one at a time until only one is left
That is usually a timely process and only then does the actual arbitration began
Arbitrator then sets up days for city to list there demands and days for FOP to list theirs. Meeting can be weeks to months apart. After each side studies the others demands they request meetings to respond to the other sides filings which take weeks to months
At that point the arbitrator takes all that info into consideration, studies it and finally makes his decision. Not sure exactly how long he gets but is no less than 30 days nor more than 90 days before he announces his decision. It takes time like court appearances, they don’t set these meetings and replies a few weeks apart
Sorry to say but we are a long way off from getting a decision if it goes to arbitration
Anonymous Anonymous said...
With arbitration filed it will be at least 12 months before a decision is arrived at....
Not a chance in 12 months. Meetings have to be started arbitrator picked
Go for arbitration. Leadfoot is playing hard ball and vindictive as ever regarding the Police. Force the issue and roll with it. The last almost three years of none sense from Rahm and the imp were futile. She will milk this and continue to bad mouth the police. Beck will smile and nod in agreement, say something meaningless, take his money and run. Lightfoot will grand stand and make her choice for the new Superintendent, talk about change, trust and reform. This slug will be no better than the drunken goof that got dumped. Waiting for "hope and change" doesn't work. We tried that once before, you see how well that worked out. Why should anyone think the next Superintendent will make things better for the rank and file.
The change isn't designed to help us, provide a better work environment or better protect the citizens. Its really all about them and maintaining their control, corruption, power and the status quo. We know this and so do they. Its time to call them out.
Why all the hate for teachers? The CTU showed you how to get what you want. The difference is, your ego and your "respect" is always tied to whatever raise you guys believe .
Yeah right u socialist twats. The only reason u guys got a contract is because A) U CAN STRIKE
and B) she is 1 of u. Not like the contract is tied to how u perform. Please.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Off topic WOW!!! Former President Barack Obama and former first lady Michelle Obama have purchased a nearly 7,000-square-foot home on Martha’s Vineyard in Massachusetts for $11.75 million, according to a report.
Sounds like white flight , could’ve bought a few square blocks on south side of Chicago
12/05/2019 10:15:00 PM
Geez, did you hear the Beatles broke up? This is very old news. Happened about 5 months ago.
12/06/2019 09:02:00 AM
Any bets there are not any section 8 buildings in his new neighborhood??
Any bets the demographics are mostly white??
Any bets a white person would be called racist for wanting to live in a mostly white neighborhood??
that's not even a raise because inflation is around 1.8% YOY. there are plenty of personal finance videos on youtube you should check out next time you're hiding in the hole or on a hospital detail
You should look at Illinois Labor Law the next time you are sitting in the van on Michigan Ave for VRI while tourists are being robbed.
The “raise” is designed to keep us up with inflation not to beat inflation. Cost of living is what the “raise” is designed to maintain not exceed.
The demand didn’t seem to scare her. She stated FOP will have to wait until after supervisors contract is settled
I just want to enjoy my retro!
That’s because your a dumbass. Fight for your rights while on job and after ugly are retired it’s coming faster than you think.
Anonymous said...
One word, gentlemen.
Residency.
12/05/2019 04:44:00 PM
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I don't get what the allure of lifting residency is. The entire state of Illinois is in enormous financial trouble, it's all going to take a shit eventually. The surrounding suburbs, any which would be feasible to drive to and from Chicago every day, are either expensive, shit holes themselves, or in the process of becoming shit holes. If you're going to move, you should just pack up and get as far away from this state as possible. And if living here is that unbearable for you then there's a simple solution to your residency problem; QUIT. Go find another department. You people trying to bargain residency (which will not be lifted in our lifetime), are just taking attention away from other, more important bargaining issues that we will get fucked on. We get fucked on Tuition Reimbursement, fucked on insurance, newbies get fucked on DOA, day off cancellations with no extra compensation have become the norm now, consent decree shoved up our ass, but let's keep bitching about residency, while we get it shoved up our ass some more.
I will never understand why the people on this dept are so stupid. If she wants to fuck us on the contract, and we can't strike, then use your discretion for a week. Give every mover, parker, anov a break. Zero revenue, only those arrests that you have no choice on. If after a week she doesn't get the message, then a month. The answer is right there in front of everyone. Unity is all we need. The dogs have been doing this their entire careers, the newly promoted merit sgt price has lived by the do nothing creed. If you want a fair offer from an anti police administration, you will have to play dirty like the CTU. Use their contract, their low pension contribution, their lack of performance, their sex scandals, their constant manipulation of testing and horrendous overall performance in the poor areas as a reason for us to get a fair offer. The arbitrator is not our friend, has too many ties to the democratic power structure in Chicago. No justice, no peace. One summer with the police using their discretion and things will change quickly.
Give that pipe dream up, the city will never lift residency, and it is a good thing they don’t. You would see a quicker decline of the city if they did get rid of it.
12/05/2019 10:31:00 PM
Newsflash, nobody cares. This place can rot while I live in the suburbs for all I care.
019 09:02:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Everybody’s commenting on how great this is going to arbitration did you ever stop to think that the arbitrator will not find in our favor at all and we may get fucked I’ve been on for sometime now arbitration has always been a part of our negotiation it has never been negotiated on the table it has always gone to arbitration and the arbitrator always sides with the business with the business owner in this case the city we’re going to get fucked
Chicken little sky is falling goofs like you are the reason the last shit garbage contract was ratified
Jeezus !! Pal I’m just stating facts arbitrator never in my history been here a little over 20 has shaken out well for us
No need for all your bullshit I’m on my way out I’m looking for a good deal for insurance so I can get out but what ever
Your a bit of a jag off but all I can say is that no time on the job having mouthernfuckers like you is how the camaraderie and brotherhood
In this job went to shit good job now slick your hair back and put your skinny jeans on and go give some head I mean go get a head
Chicken little sky is falling goofs like you are the reason the last shit garbage contract was ratified
12/06/2019 09:05:00 AM
No, it was the l don’t give a fuck, I want my retro fucks that blew the last contract. If you remember, they even screwed the new people out of their duty availability, just to get their fucking retro. Gotta make the payment on your ugly, too expensive Jeep?
Just for the sake of clarification the teachers raise was actually crap. After 2012 when teachers get their COLA raise its always based off last years salary not this years. So my 3% raise is $300 because I don’t get a get a raise on this years step bump. Hopefully you all do better!
Look FOP can and should question every assignment of any Police Officer that is not assigned to a Beat ,Tactical or street ,gang tactical narcotic unit .
All inside , unauthorized assignments by patrolman must end . Political and now we find out sexual favors get police women a no show assignment with a cell phone and take home car . EJ SUV , Office Furniture is the black version Harvey Weinstein’s casting couch .
Tactical Secretary is a do nothing , no show assignment .
Next maybe Sergeant, Lieutenant PBPA will do the same . Supervisors falling all over each other at Fort Fellatio while the Beat Sergeant can’t get a day off .
Sworn officers should not be doing the work of a civilian,getting paid twice the salary.
No, it was the l don’t give a fuck, I want my retro fucks that blew the last contract. If you remember, they even screwed the new people out of their duty availability, just to get their fucking retro. Gotta make the payment on your ugly, too expensive Jeep?
12/07/2019 08:59:00 AM
Guess enough active police who worked for that retro decided they wanted to get paid rather than worrying about the lack of duty availability for a few years for people who had t been hired yet. You do know that the new hires are also on a tier two pension where their pension is computer on the last 96 months instead of the 48 months. Why always the Jeep, why not a Mercedes, I love my SRT
Anonymous Anonymous said...
019 09:02:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Everybody’s commenting on how great this is going to arbitration did you ever stop to think that the arbitrator will not find in our favor at all and we may get fucked I’ve been on for sometime now arbitration has always been a part of our negotiation it has never been negotiated on the table it has always gone to arbitration and the arbitrator always sides with the business with the business owner in this case the city we’re going to get fucked
Not sure about an arbitrator always sides with business or the city although it may seem so he doesn’t give you everything you want. I’m sure you are aware that when an arbitrator is picked both parties are given a list of 7 arbitrators and then alternately eliminate one at at time until only one is left. He then becomes the arbitrator. If an arbitrator ever gets a reputation as always ruling for the city, it’s simple the FOP eliminates him and visa versa. Each side gets to eliminates 3
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