What's This BS?
Forced compliance?
- [Situational Decision Making] is an hour long "training" that the district is making each PO go to during their tour of duty. At the academy, not city/dept required training. It's Univ of Chicago civilians doing it. It is a "shoot-dont shoot" type scenario that you get put in. At the end of it the instructors give the POs a consent form to sign. In order to allow them to use what your decision was in their study. POs have been refusing to sign, and now a Sgt has been coming down to "order" us to sign. This whole thing seems completely wrong , but sadly typical.
How "legit" can this "study" be if (A) you're forced to participate and (B) you're forced to sign off on the results? Is there some federal grant money attached to this with CPD as the guinea pigs?
Anyone know what this is supposed to accomplish, given that the U of Chicago faculty is notoriously "progressive" and decidedly anti law enforcement.
Anyone know what this is supposed to accomplish, given that the U of Chicago faculty is notoriously "progressive" and decidedly anti law enforcement.
Labels: un-fucking-believable
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
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Tell them you need to have your lawyer, union rep, and Rabbi look over the form before you can sign.
Oh HELL noooooo
Blow me I don't sign shit
What does our POS union have you say?
Oh right nothing !
Just like everything else
Turn on your body camera and get everyone present including the merit sergeant on tape giving you a order to sign a form under duress and threat of job forfeiture. Then call a high priced attorney and file suit against the City, Police Dept, University of Chicago and personally all the persons involved including the merit sergeant.
Enjoy your new house.
Publish the suck ass sergeant’s name!!!
The U. of Chicago faculty is woke. Obviously the CPD is not.
i can’t help but think that the results of this study will be used later to screw officers involved in shootings.
I'm not a cop but I wouldn't sign anything that I didn't have to that could be theoretically used in court at a later date if there's a shooting. Certainly not any sort of "study."
Wild guess? "In a scenario where police were definitely not supposed to shoot the black male, they shot xx% of the time!"
The university would get the grant money and then go out to get subjects. Often the subjects are paid. In this case, I'm sure the city stands in the shoes of the subject and gets the payment. This will then be someone's article in a peer reviewed journal. Wait...conclusion will be that cops are too slow to talk offenders into co- operating and too fast to squeeze their triggers with their racist fingers. Now u don't have to read the article when it comes out!!!
Do not sign it Sgt cant force you to sign anything!
If true it should be reported to the U of C IRB, which reviews, approves, and monitors all studies with human interaction
It's a useless "study" since it's easily subject to manipulation and bias because you KNOW you're being tested. There's NO control.
So introduce anomalies into the data, and they'll have to toss the whole thing.
Some ideas:
* First PO through shoots EVERYTHING... The walls, lights, floor, people, criminals, etc...
* Next PO shoots NOTHING... no criminals, no people, nothing.
* Next PO shoots every other thing - no matter what...
Walk out and "sign under protest"...
Figure out who's funding this crapola and let them know of the inherent bias and lack of control...
After a few of these, anomalies this nonsense will come to an end.
ORDER to sign...
whose the Sergeant?
DID you notify FOP?
A signature carries legal weight and if you are ordered it would be under duress.
Unless you were compensated by the school separately then the City just used you in an experiment without you knowledge.
OR
you can post a vague topic on a blog
DONT SIGN SHIT SCHOLAR!!! CANT order you to either study up i hope U AINT a white shirt.
I am confused.How can a Sergeant order me to sign a Consent Form from a University conducting their own training initiative?Why is there a Consent Form associated with Chicago Police Department required training.Are there going to be Consent Forms with all training now?Is this a Consent Decree requirement.Who will be the 1st to refuse to comply with this unlawful order which has nothing to do with an Officers duties?A Consent Form to me indicates that one has a choice not to consent.
Do not sign and no way a Sgt can order you to sign a consent form.
Don't sign shit, make them order you, sign under duress
Go through the motions and do not shoot in any scenario, even in the most obvious of shootings. Then leave. You can make be there, but you can’t make me give a genuine effort on a study that’s likely to paint our profession or department poorly.
Nobody shoot in the scenarios. Let yourself be killed. Sign form and the info that goes to the study group will be completely tainted. When they finish study and release to public it will say the police do not shoot anyone and get killed themselves. Treat it like the Call of Duty video but with no shooting and all dying.
Here.. I'll sign it; "REFUSE TO SIGN".
There ya go kid.. ah, I mean sarge.
And the forced consensual decision will be FOIA'd anytime you are involved in something to prove your poor decision making ability to the federal jury.
Maybe the invisible institute can put up another database or the fuckers from channel 5 can win another award based on the results of the scenarios.
I'd like them to compare the officers results with those from the civilians that they used to run through the shoot/don't shoot scenarios.
Should an Officer, at some later date be involved in a shooting (OIS), would the result of his/her actions on the day of training be used against the Officer? If there is anything, that every Chicago Police Officer needs to accept it is this: Anything documented by the Chicago Police Department, will be retained in perpetuity! And those records, documentations, etc., may be subpoenaed at a later date. FOP contract, prior assurances; it all means NOTHING! The Chicago Police Department has surrendered its authority to Progressive Democrat Political Operatives, ACLU and their favorite law firms. Rahm and Lisa Madigan via the Consent Decree destroyed any discretion or independence that CPD might have had. This is a documentation, that at a later date could serve as a form of Self-Incrimination. What is the purpose of this? If an Officer performed badly in the Exercise, is he/she given a chance to correct their actions? Or is this just a set-up to prosecute cops at a later date? Be Strong and Be Careful. Baby "G"
If this is true it’s bullshit. No direct order should ever be given for your person information to be used for third party bullshit. FOP?
Document if you are given this order. You can’t be forced to participate in a study,it’s not world war 2 Germany. It’s also unethical to be given the consent form after. Refuse the order. Let them attempt to discipline you, get paid by the city and university.
SGT is gonna get a promotion
Refuse to sign call an Attorney Sgt. can't order you to sign anything!
Just sigh a great, big X
You refused to sign your name to a document you don't agree to? Sounds like fraud to me. Sign something completely illegible. Wile E. Coyote. Obi Wan Kenobi. Wonder Woman. What are they gonna do to you, SPAR you if you don't sign your name?
Again with the University of Chicago. What's the common denominator? Malinowski. Something stinks here. Word is the university helped him with his application for superintendent. Even flew techy people in from overseas. Why all the hoops and spending money to help him be super? What's the pay off?
This whole disrespect for law enforcement officers is wrong !!!! The system allows this type of abuse to continue by making it either mandatory or direct order . dismeaning law enforcement officers is the future of this department and no defends us . The sadness is we elect a president of Fop for show only. We need transparency and knowledgeable and strong skin who is not afraid to stand up and defend what is wrong !!!!
In the end they will say the CPD is trigger happy no matter what the numbers are. You could shoot every time or don't shoot every time just to screw with them. Don't shoot might be safer for your career though. At some point this study might be used agents you in court if you are labeled trigger happy. Don't believe them if they tell you different they just like your leadership will screw you over if you don't have clout.
I didn’t go.
It says it’s voluntary, so even if the city makes you go to the location, ask the administrators if it’s voluntary, and if the answer is yes, don’t participate.
How did we become forced to participate in a private study? So a government agency can force you to participate in a private research experiment? Nope, sorry.
On top of that, have you done your homework on the main person conducting the experiment?
Google the name of that “professor” and you’ll see the outcome is already pretty much determined before the “experiment” takes place.
And if you read the fine print, it states that paper results are kept for 10 years and then destroyed, digital copies of your results are kept indefinitely. And the results are to be shared with federal agencies and other agencies interested in the data.
So if 3 years from you you are involved in a shooting, and the G looks at the data from this study and says “according to his/her participation in this study, he/she was proven racist in use of force incidents- so he/she MUST have acted with bias in this shooting.”
Please brothers and sisters, do yourselves a favor and don’t feel compelled to participate.
They give you paperwork saying it’s voluntary- HANG ONTO THAT PAPERWORK.
If you want to participate, go ahead.
If you don’t want to participate, don’t
If some merit initiates a beef, you have paperwork saying it’s voluntary.
As for me? No thanks.
Signed,
Someone who was was told to go and didn’t participate.
Don’t sign it. Laugh in the sgts face and tell him that you completed the training as directed but you don’t want your results public. If he makes you, then tell him you want his sgt test results public to see how terrible he did and how much a merit hack he is.
“Order”. Either the Sgt did or didn’t.
It's a confession of some kind. Signatures are required when future consequences are anticipated. The only reason you confirm the past is to harm the future.
I went down last week. I was informed by the male geek I was seated in front of that the “survey” was voluntary. I informed said geek that I don’t volunteer for anything and won’t sign. I was told I still had to do the scenario but could leave after, which I did.
“Signature provided under duress and direct order of Sgt douche.” - Andrew Sipowicz #737
Participate at your own peril. You aren’t being forced to sign anything. You can opt out and once you do you still have to participate in the scenario. The university just won’t be able to watch you or use what you did in their study. Officers are opting out and when the guy next to me said he didn’t want to participate the university tried to convince him to. He still said no but was told he had to do the scenario. You take a survey and don’t sign anything. Don’t trust this university to be honest and when you agree you can bet your decisions will be in their final report.
If you are naive enough to believe that the school won't use the results in the negative, you are going to vote for Bad Touch Joe.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
I hope the FOP wakes up on this one. And also hope someone does indeed record this and then consults an attorney about being ordered to sign. I do like the idea of not ever shooting during the scenarios. And to justify it say you were concerned about the mental state of the individual and waiting for the "expert" from the new unit to show up.
Wasn't it the Univ Of Chicago that has done studies before that we participated in and NEVER heard back on the results? Fuck Them and The Sgt making people sign it....REFUSE and don't be afraid not to.
Just sign an unreadable name, or someone else name, like a Scottie Pippen or fill-in-the-blank
FOP...Hello??? Put an end to this! Since this is NOT city training and we do not get any credit for it make it only by optional involvement. Sick of this Citys Bullshit. Fuck the Liberals over at The UOC as well.
I went to this training on the first day it was being done. When I walked in Robin Robinson was there greeting everyone. She acted like this was her project and like she organized the entire thing. How much does she get paid again? This is the first time I’ve ever seen her do anything for the enormous salary she is making. Also, shocking, it was completely unorganized.
I refused at stage 1, when I got there. Then, walked away. Peace out
Same way they order you to sign the form at COPA
It's make believe. Don't shoot.
Those U of C snowflakes are going to get their feelings hurt.
Grants | National Collaborative on Gun Violence Research
https://www.ncgvr.org/grants.html
This is a dissertation project, so why aren't we being compensated for participating in it?
I hope that while I am FORCED to participate in this project that I don't get injured diving for cover.
Sounds like The Restorative Justice project in Chicago public schools. Not meant to fix anything. Just pass everyone, have no accountability for your actions and if it’s not reported it didn’t happen leaving no data. So all fixed now nothing to see here. Dumbing down of America by liberals.Another University ofChicago study/production.
Shoot or don't shoot in every scenario, then sign with an X.
Another class were going to have to go to is handcuffing techniques, to be taught by people who have never used their handcuffs, ever.
If they made this study strictly voluntary and did not identify the officers involved, possibly even paid you as a research subject ( which is common), then I say why not? But, identifying the officers, ordering them to participate and ordering them to sign a waiver? Not only do I think that this is unethical, but illegal. No one can order a person to waive their rights. Where is the union? The city can order you as an employee to attend this class, and participate but not sign a waiver.
Retired now. One of the best days I had on the job was telling a lt/wc, "sorry pal, I'm not signing that". He was at loss for words when he realized I knew that I knew I did not have to sign.
Another great moment, filing a grievance against a captain, who also learned that I was not quiet so dumb.I went through all the proper steps, had kept the paperwork necessary, faxed daily, attempted the in district chit chat to no avail. It finally ended up back on the captains desk with my win and a note from above saying that he was "silly" for allowing it to get that far. (the desk sgt gave me copy.)
Learn what you need to, protect yourself, keep copies of EVERYTHING. When that 1st pension check arrives, crack a beer and have a controlled burn.
And continued prayers for the pensions future
We should be asking is it CALEA certified, if not don't participate. By that I mean don't shoot anything.
If you are signing your name, you are personally liable, and it can be used against you personally. It seems like they are amassing a file on officers, versus on CPD, to be used if and when needed in a court of law. Under no circumstances should you sign your names. This is not a “study,” not a CPD academy requirement, but, or do it seems, it is going into public record. Do not sign it. Where is the FOP?????
If forced to sign then don't even bother upholstering and everybody get a 100% no shoot then the study will show we never shoot...hahaha Fuck you SJW assholes at UIC
I say go to the study...no one shoot a damn thing, take it up the ass, officer down, etc etc and then still refuse to sign the form. Screw that kiss ass sergeant looking for a promotion on the backs of others and screw the cop hating Univ of Chicago. Let them shove the data right ip their ass, everyone wants to be an armchair quarterback.
ITS COMING DOWN TO A " Wild Cat Strike " Boys & Girls We have to take our CITY back from the Libtards and Striking is the " Only Way " to get the MESSAGE ACROSS TO THESE ASSHOLES !
They wont fire 10000 coppers if we could EVER GET ORGANIZED ! We could bring the City and State down to their knees !
All you have to do is READ the introduction/information sheet they give you before the start of "study". I bet 90% don't bother to look at it, but it must say at least THREE times it is your decision to stop participation. So tell them you do not wish to participate in any part, it is your right. Also, is it really anonymous? you sit down in front of a laptop with camera looking right at you, your star number/name is visible and you mean they can't access your full info from that???? Don't trust any part of it.
If you take the surveys and are given a yellow ticket with a number on it, you have consented to be a part of their research study. If you do not want to participate tell them immediately, otherwise they will talk fast, not give you all the information, put a computer screen in front of you, hand you a yellow ticket, and sen you in your way and before you know it you are part of their study.
Since EVERY SINGLE SUPERVISOR at the academy is merit just refuse. If they have to leave paper on it they won't be able to put a complete sentence together.
Can't our union file a restraining order for this bullshit? We keep letting them screw us because nobody takes a stand. A bias university, a biased scenario, and were the pawns. The university of Chicago will establish guidelines for lethal force based on this and there agenda for anti police social justice agenda. I'm sorry, but they are not the experts to decide on my safety in real street situations.
I will help you pass....
Answer all questions with "Don't Shoot".
They dont care if the LEO dies, just as long as someones feelings dont get hurt when lil "insert douche title here" gets smoked for doing gang...er i mean community activist work.
REFUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FOP Hello Private University Study?????????????
Just Like Clines Charity Pressure Recruits and on our uniforms
The study needs to be approved by an IRB (institutional research board) at UC if human subjects are involved. Informed, voluntary consent of participants is required. This likely violates the IRB agreement and could get UC in hot water with the feds and whoever is funding the study, which could cost UC money. Universities care about money. Someone needs to complain to the UC VP of research.
This scenario they put you in, is it a video? I don't think a bad guy in a video poses any danger to the PO watching it. So, the PO in this situation should not fire on the defenseless video screen. Just say, "Sorry but I never felt in danger".
You're in a brightly lit room, watching tv with a bunch of egghead snowflakes. Do they allow you to even bring your gun to this "training". Without your gun, it quite possible that the correct response to being threatened would be to run take cover. It wouldn't take much effort to make a mockery of the entire exercise.
Just go in and screw up any practical portion of this cluster.
Make the city pay for re-training. Ever notice how it is never asked
how often the city conducts hands-on training for basic police procedures.
Also, write on any form for u of c you sign, that you were ordered to with threat of termination.
Throw the gun on the floor and try to engage in conversation. Sign form then leave.
Is this the Invisible Institute at work? Maybe you should call the ACLU and ask them their opinion on forced compliance and forced consent.
Anonymous said...
Turn on your body camera and get everyone present including the merit sergeant on tape giving you a order to sign a form under duress and threat of job forfeiture. Then call a high priced attorney and file suit against the City, Police Dept, University of Chicago and personally all the persons involved including the merit sergeant.
Enjoy your new house.
1/28/2020 12:10:00 AM
What are you suing for exactly? What are your damages that you are going to collect enough to buy a new house? Is this like the ghetto lottery?
Anyway, this is part of the Malinowski, egg head, bullshit civilian push to tell the police how to do their job even though they've sat in a classroom their entire lives. Having this Malinowski goof as superintendent is going to be like having Lewin in charge, lots of pie in the sky ideas with no chance of actually working in practice. But he'll pad his resume and take all the credit for his "great ideas".
“Nobody shoot in the scenarios. Let yourself be killed. Sign form and the info that goes to the study group will be completely tainted. When they finish study and release to public it will say the police do not shoot anyone and get killed themselves. Treat it like the Call of Duty video but with no shooting and all dying.”
Doing my best Dennis Miller head swim...”Ya know...I kinda like the way this cat thinks!”
Det. Tim NOLAN (Ret.)
What does FOP say about this program ????
Can anyone confirm or deny this?
I'm know I will lose my job and go to prison like vandyke. So I won't shoot anything. See how they like the mess they made.
If true, the UChicago Members would be violating their IRB rules when it comes to research/consent on human subjects. For more information see: https://sbsirb.uchicago.edu/
A copper that was forced to sign can probably file a complaint with the IRB.
U of C is an institution that is hostile towards the Police. Why on Earth would the Department agree to this?! Tell Craig Futterman to take my shots for me because no way am I pulling the trigger even once for these people and I’m certainly not signing anything. Go ahead and dish out whatever punishment you think you can get away with Academy Sgt.
Well I'm reading all this conjecture as to what to do. Well? FOP? Any attorneys? What do we do?? I like the idea of not shooting or even "actively" participating in any of the scenarios and I'll probably go that route. What are our legal options for signing anything? Wish FOP would chime in. Can we get the name/number of a lawyer willing to take up this case beforehand? I'm willing to take a stand and say "Sure sarge, I'll sign under protest, what's your name & badge#, I need the names of everyone presenting this document to me please...You'll be hearing from my attorney." I'd do that, but I don't want to start shopping for a lawyer AFTER all that! Good chance for a lawyer taking on the case to present themself on the blog.
Flawed data collection. Useless research. Read the Belmont Report for more on academic research. Contact the U of C Social and Behavioral Sciences Institutional Review Board and let them know you are a forced subject in a UC study. Ask the IRB to investigate. If that doesn’t work contact NIH who funds a lot of UC research and tell then. Demand the name of the primary researchers and print them in the blog. Google human subjects research for a lot of information
What does our POS union have you say?
Oh right nothing !
Just like everything else
The FOP is not a Union. Unions have the power to strike. FOP is a bargaining unit. Similar, but not the same. Maybe if you realized the difference someone could take your silly childish post seriously.
Just like you should do in a CR investigation when you are ordered to answer question by a supervisor.....put the disclaimer in: I am signing this under duress as I have been order by Sgt or Lt or Capt XXXXXXXXX to sign this statement, or whatever it is.....
University of Chicommie? Nothing good will come out of there until Communism is outlawed. Petition the federal government today!
Here is what is in the hearts and minds of kids educated by the likes of the U. of C.
Ya gotta love our progressive "educators".
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/01/okeefe-releases-part-4-expose2020-two-bernie-field-organizers-in-south-car
Makes me wonder which of the mayor's friends is using this for her PhD?
The end game is that CPD will be portrayed negatively in this BS study. I would like to see one of those U of C students confront offenders at night in the hood and have CPD as "observers" to second guess them.
What type of researcher would conduct a study that involves subjects being ordered under duress and threat of punishment to sign the consent form???????????
Some how some way those signed papers will be us e against you by COPA mark you words. Request FOP attorney when pressed to sign or note on document signed under duress by whoever making you sign.
Do not sign it Sgt cant force you to sign anything!
1/28/2020 12:32:00 AM
There is a reason he's being sent in to give a direct order! Ignore the order & you'll be in the world of shit! "Signed under duress & threat of termination by sgt name & star#" take a pic of it after. Get an atty, file suit name all involved
Have sgt sign form that he is ordering you to sign.... hmm, bet he will not sign , enuff said !!!!
Libtards and their conformation bias studies.
State I was ordered to sign by Sgt name. I complied. Thank you
Here is a link to an article about the grant:
https://chicago.suntimes.com/2019/7/25/20726567/u-of-c-researchers-awarded-1-2-million-study-police-shootings-behavior-cops-high-stakes-situations
From the U of C website:
For questions, concerns, or suggestions about human subjects research, or for questions about the rights of research participants, please contact the Social & Behavioral Sciences (SBS) IRB Office. Both contacts below provide a way for research participants, potential research participants, or members of the community to contact someone in the organization other than the research team.
Phone: 773-702-2915
Email: sbs-irb@uchicago.edu
I urge everyone who feels pressured to sign a consent form to call or email the IRB. Even one complaint will trigger an investigation and multiple complaints could result in the project being shut down.
I took the study and before the subject could say a word...I let the simulated firearm slide lock. Then all I heard was "cut". I was asked what I would have done differently, I simply replied "I would have used my rifle instead " 🤷🏽♂️
The whole affair is being video recorded by the University as well. Very disconcerting.
Signing anything puts us there. If the study shows poor results isn’t the city now liable for our actions if we get sued. We are not born with the skills needed to pass these scenarios. So it boils down to more training. More time at the range using their ammo. I kind of like it.
I went. Refused the survey . The sgt came down and she didn't force anything . She was understanding.
The department is being dishonest by labeling this exercise training. It’s not training but a study. Can one be SPAR’d if one refuses to attend?
Here are the details... make your complaints to the IRB at U of C.
https://www.ncgvr.org/grants/2019/situational-decision-making.html
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Refuse to sign call an Attorney Sgt. can't order you to sign anything!
FOP should be on top of this. Why should have to call an attorney and have to pay for the advice or a retainer? Attorneys aren’t free
At 1145AM 28Jan there’s currently a table set up in the front entryway of the academy where this study is being conducted. UofC students behind laptops and across from them uniformed officers in chairs, big bosses overlooking the entire thing.
Is that following pride and proven true scientific true research methods? Are these the accepted methods of research accepted by the esteemed and globally recognized University of Chicago. Or is this more along to a Hitler or Old Soviet Gestapo?
Stand there dont point, hell dont even unholster.
Don’t sign and just point the gun to your head
I sign this form because I am being ordered to by Sergeant John Doe Star 157 not because I give consent. Signed.
This will do the trick.
Someone disclose the scenario so the study will be destroyed
If there is any federal grant money involved the Code of Federal Regulations require that the study by approved by an institutional review board (IRB). The regulations forbid coercion. you must read and sign an informed consent form before participating in the study, and any questions you have must be answered to your satisfaction before signing and agreeing to participate. Put the lawyers on them.
Not an attorney just a sgt with almost 30 years. I would never order anyone to sign a non-department form because I don’t believe I have the authority to do so. We need a solid legal opinion on this so you can be confident saying “no thank you.”
You signed in to the class on the official department training sign-in sheet and that’s it. (Name, pc#, emp#, etc, then all the way on the right we sign).
You can be ordered to participate in department training even if it’s conducted by some one else but that is a far cry from having to sign a form that implies you give permission for something unless you choose to give that permission.
Also, whatever “participate” means is up to you. As some have suggested you can shoot everyone or no one, what does it matter, it’s training and if you fuck up that’s what training is for. If they say you fucked up have them show you how it’s done. Otherwise if they said you fucked up and didn’t show you the “correct” way to handle it then it’s their issue.
More likely they are just trying to intimidate officers to sign.
University of Chicago conducting a shoot no shoot training. How many of them been in a real life shoot scenario and they’re going to be judging results. Unfucking believable.
Just sign it, Juan Epsteins mother.
Of course there’s alway a Fed grant tied to these studies, but UofC could be doing it on behalf of someone’s who’s connected to boost their thesis, which shouldn’t matter because they draw the bulk of their opinion, arguments and conclusions from Dem pols, trends and social media.
What to do, what to do.
When confronted with the everyday barrage of lawlessness and dealing with Sanctuary City tolerated violent ghetto affairs (i.e. dilemmas of situation decision making), just axe’ yourself... Should I stay or should I go?
Trust the City, the Dept of LightLoafer....ooooooh for sure.
This is another psychological assessment profile they’re developing.
Are they training you with their logic on Shoot-Dont Shoot? Giving their opinions and solutions?
What material is being provided? Are you allowed to keep a handout, copy anything?
Cellphones confiscated (yet)?
Must be mighty secret and important to have to send in a Merit Hack to keep order.
Just answer their scenario(s) as completely opposite of your true, logical decisions.
Up is down, left is right.
Even if you truly believe in leprechauns, the earth is flat, cow farts are bad and Epstein hanged himself...go with the opposite.
And...
Like your giving your real phone number or email to department stores for baloney reward programs...NEVER provide personal info to a liberal non governmental organization....NEVER.
Always alter that public accessible signature/identifiers too - so it can be challenged on some Democrats nominating petition later.
Screw with these egghead provocateurs working on behalf of Team LightLoafer.
Simply write "Under Duress" on the signature line if forced to sign; otherwise, don't sign (and don't ever talk on a recorded phone line).
I'm retired so I can talk tuff said:
If it is a shot don't shoot "test" I would not shoot anyone.
No matter the situation, I would not shoot anyone.
If ordered to explain I would say I was afraid I would get trouble or fired for
shooting someone in this "game."
I would call FOP if told to sign anything.
As a last resort I would write In the signature line "under duress...see to from report."
The to from would be like the universal disclaimer:
"Under duress . I object to this test and object to its use and results.
I sign only because I have been giver a direct order by
Sgt name # and know I will loose my job if I disobey a direct order."
Also I want a copy of everything.
Oh, what were the results of LT Michel E moral survey done about 15 years ago?
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Since this is a university study using human subjects, it has to be approved and monitored by the university’s Institutional Review Board (IRB). It is ABSOLUTELY forbidden by the Neuremberg Laws to coerce a study subject to sign the consent.
If any officer has been pressured by their supervisor to sign the consent for this study, they should report that to the university’s IRB (should be listed in their website or call the main number) and file a complaint. Stuff like this gets entire universities barred from federal research money.
If order by the SGT or above Sign (if you choose) but add next to signature "forced, ordered, bullied, or under duress, or similar comment by "SGT Shitz". You could just not sign - unlawful order. Use body cam identifying all concerned, state your under duress. Are there rules and regs or directives, that specifically mandate training study and signatures. Why mandated signatures for this University of Chicago Lab "study". Will your specific study be linked to you. Will results be published, if so, will we get results of our participation. Does/will the university profit from our participation. Will results of participation be used against you in admin/court proceedings. You already know the answer to that one. Will all Department personnel - from PPO to Superintendent (if packing) be required.
In other words all personnel with guns including Staff Mutts, Dicks, the Imps security detail, everyone sworn and carrying including all those with sworn political fucks like Burke and the rest of the slugs. If you have a gun and you shoot somebody the city is liable for your actions. Take the study and sign the paper numb nuts.
Purposely conduct all participation by doing nothing - take no action, delay any actions during each situation, document test with camera, make the study in any way useless. Also a big Fuck You to Beck, Malinowski, the FOP and the University of Chicago. We don't trust you.
They are watching and recording how fast you pull out your weapon with the given job information and which weapon. They will conclude that police responding to a certain call pull their weapons out and use that to add to the narrative that we are trigger happy. Read all questions very very carefully. Do not answer personal questions about your perceived mental health
It's just a study for an upcoming class at the academy. Relax everyone.
so let me get this straight
"Sgt, you are giving me a direct order to give consent against my will to participate in a study that is on a volunteer basis?" I'll take that beef and see you on the grievance and in court
I can't wait to "participate" in this study....
Signed, “James Bond 007”
FOP woke up today after reading the blog. Thank you SCC if it wasn’t for you these clowns have no idea. The brain trust Graham, Preib, Bartlett and Mumbles Murray went to the academy this afternoon for a meeting and saw them walk out after as confused as when they walked in Talk about clueless they didn’t get any answers. And I thought those guys turned on Graham. Must be some kind of big conspiracy going on. What say you Marty?
Here’s the skinny ! While at the academy members of the Fop legal defense team went to the academy to investigate in the University of Chicago study Situation decision making baseline training . We were told that The training was mandatory but participating in the study was not . After speaking with supervisors involved in the study we learned that your disciplinary history will be available to the doctor conducting the study . We suggest you do not actively participate in the study conducted !
I’m going to make a gun with my pointer finger and run around the room
shooting at everyone not in play. Bang bang bang. I’ll probably have to reload too. Click click bang.
It's just a study for an upcoming class at the academy. Relax everyone
Study someone else not me!!
My scenario was No cars available, your 99. Call of burglary in progress. Upon arrival you hear sounds coming from inside. Then a male subject carrying boxes appears. Your to act as you would in real time. Subject is evasive, refuses to comply with verbal directions yelling and argumentative. The subject Tina puts the boxes down on a table and keeping one hand from sight suddenly displays a empty hand. The subject continues to refuse to comply appearing as though he will lay on the ground but instead turns grabs a crowbar and raises it. That’s when I popped him.....
There are no safeguards in place to keep these non department members from releasing the information from this training. Including names and how you reacted to the scenarios. What if you get into a shooting ? What's to prevent these social justice warriors from releasing how you reacted during this scenario? If you are being ordered to participate simply dont do anything in any of the scenarios just stand there. Game over.
I would just walk out and see what that idiot does.
At 1145AM 28Jan there’s currently a table set up in the front entryway of the academy where this study is being conducted. UofC students behind laptops and across from them uniformed officers in chairs, big bosses overlooking the entire thing.
They were there last week when I refused to sign.
Nothing was done then. I went back to my district and related the “survey” was voluntary so I didn’t sign. I said I didn’t volunteer so I don’t agree to participate and left.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
It's just a study for an upcoming class at the academy. Relax everyone.
1/28/2020 04:00:00 PM
Study for an upcoming class, what class? Is the U or Chicago doing that too? But why would someone be ordered to sign a consent form? This I don't get. Ordered to sign? Why such a big deal. And could such a thing be pulled and used against an officer down the road referencing the shoot don't shoot scenarios? I wouldn't doubt it one bit. You can't blame people for being a bit paranoid over everything these days. The U of Chicago are not our friends, nor are the merits in charge of this leaky ship. Beck and his pick for new puppet sup (Mr. U of C Lab Rat) are certainly not friends either. Of course Groot and her new community civilian police body want to sink the ship altogether.
You aren’t ever asked to sign anything. You also are not required to participate in the study portion. I was told they’re doing this before the class starts in February and again after its over, comparing people who went through the training to those who didn’t. Seems like if we’re going to be forced to go through more training, it’s probably better if it’s actually effective, no?
Sounds like some Academy Sgts could be in some very hot water over this. Hope Beck is reading this. What say you sir?
Simply refuse to take part, say it causes anxiety because you are a non binary cisgender male or female that identifies to the gender label you were assigned when you were born.
Are all police departments doing this,or just CPD ??????
CPD rather have the police officer dead, and the criminals alive. So sad it comes to this. Stay safe and God Bless you. Don't jeopardize your life!
"Anonymous said...
It's just a study for an upcoming class at the academy. Relax everyone."
1/28/2020 04:00:00 PM
No it isn't, stop bullshitting. If U of Chicago is involved, someone is getting big bucks for it. Don't do it, plain and simple...don't
Contact the University of Chicago Institutional Review Board and file a complaint that test study subjects are being forced to sign. It’s an ethics issue. Its taking seriously because if they try to publish that work they’ll be torn to shreds by peer reviewers from other institutions
it used to be in the fop book, but the first line should be "this statement(signature) is not being given voluntarily but under duress per the order of sgt. ---------------"
Period.
You can't do research on human subjects without IRB approval. If they are doing research, the methodology has already been approved by the school's ITB panel. The horse is out of the barn.
It's just a study for an upcoming class at the academy. Relax everyone.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Really? Ya think so? Tell us then, why is the UofC doing it? If they need input for training, why isn't the academy staff conducting this survey? Why not use an outside subj matter expert? They are plenty of reputable trainers out there in firearms, tactics, and situational decision making. I call bullshit.
RH
as the flop is your agent you have given up all rights to personally change any work " rules ". sign nothing. if your bargaining agent bargains with the city it would have to be included in your contract. flop do your job. and as everyone said contact the i.r.b. and file a complaint. this city violates laws and its own rules because the end justifys the means kind of progressive thinking. this survey is not for you, it is against you. resist the gestapo and fight them at every turn.
Don’t sweat it. Sign it Roger Rabbit with your left hand
Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Refuse to sign call an Attorney Sgt. can't order you to sign anything!
FOP should be on top of this. Why should have to call an attorney and have to pay for the advice or a retainer? Attorneys aren’t free
1/28/2020 11:50:00 AM
Every Officer should have an Attorney on retainer in this anti Police climate!
Anonymous said...
Do not sign it Sgt cant force you to sign anything!
1/28/2020 12:32:00 AM
There is a reason he's being sent in to give a direct order! Ignore the order & you'll be in the world of shit! "Signed under duress & threat of termination by sgt name & star#" take a pic of it after. Get an atty, file suit name all involved
1/28/2020 10:11:00 AM
Sgt ordered me to jump off a bridge!
“ It's just a study for an upcoming class at the academy. Relax everyone.”
Uhhuh. Sure it is. You probably think strippers like you too.
I am quite sure that whoever has been ordered by this Academy Sergeant to sign the Consent Form wrote down his or her name and star number.How about helping your fellow Officers out and put their information out here.
Just an FYI... you don't have to sign anything. Yes, the scenario is mandatory but not a big deal. It was actually kind of cool compared to the lame shit we usually have to do that is mandatory. The pre and post survey is optional. The questions (strongly agree/disagree type) on them weren't of any significance in my opinion and definitely not of the nature to be used against us. And if you do the survey it's relatively short (couple minutes) and you don't sign anything nor does anyone force you to.
To paraphrase the immortal duo of Cheech and Chong:Sign Zee Papers!!!
Retired .38 spl +P
Worked with one of the U of C students in the district for awhile. He was in charge of organizing the camera rooms when they were new. Former military guy. Had a few conversations over time. Talked politics once. He self- identified as "Way further Left than Bernie" His exact words. Blew my mind. I had a problem with their involvement in influencing CPD patterns & practices from that point on. Through conversations, he had Plenty of ideas on how CPD should be changed and the bosses involved were "all ears". Good guy overall, but those philosophical views are inconsistent and dangerous with what the police dept. policies need to be. Also, Didn't have any other job, the grant money apparently funded his lincoln park apartment, among other things. Kept my distance from him and the program. As others say, they are not our friends.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Refuse to sign call an Attorney Sgt. can't order you to sign anything!
FOP should be on top of this. Why should have to call an attorney and have to pay for the advice or a retainer? Attorneys aren’t free
1/28/2020 11:50:00 AM
Every Officer should have an Attorney on retainer in this anti Police climate!
Yea right and of course you do
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Refuse to sign call an Attorney Sgt. can't order you to sign anything!
FOP should be on top of this. Why should have to call an attorney and have to pay for the advice or a retainer? Attorneys aren’t free
1/28/2020 11:50:00 AM
Every Officer should have an Attorney on retainer in this anti Police climate!
Yea right and of course you do
Has this actually been verified that there is a Sgt forcing you to sign? Can’t believe that is happening
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I went to this training on the first day it was being done. When I walked in Robin Robinson was there greeting everyone. She acted like this was her project and like she organized the entire thing. How much does she get paid again? This is the first time I’ve ever seen her do anything for the enormous salary she is making. Also, shocking, it was completely unorganized.
1/28/2020 05:59:00 AM
Shed employed as a Director, which is the civilian equivalent to Commander. Waste of money.
Ralph Papa Thorson Says:
This is what happens when egg-headed Communists are in charge....
"...I would like to see those U of C students confront offenders in the hood..."
Look where the University of Chicago is. The hood comes to them for confrontation. The score is 112,845 - 1.
People have to start betting their jobs on this kind of shit. They are gonna get sooner or later, call their bluff and say no! The punishment could be your ticket to better things. Trouble is the FOP might let you swing so, have somebody in mind to handle your action instead.
Fuck that noise. They can't order you to sign shit. It's an unlawful order so fuck it, you're not getting my signature. They can pound sand.
FOP should be on top of this. Why should have to call an attorney and have to pay for the advice or a retainer? Attorneys aren’t free
1/28/2020 11:50:00 AM
FOP signed off on this. In fact UofC was given every po’s discipline record.
Can we just not react, burn the hour, and be let go back to work?
The city would rather we do nothing, possibly get killed, and save them a bundle on a LODD vs shitbag sues for a few cool mill on a good shoot, amirite?
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