Shut Up Joe
- The city’s internal watchdog has found the agency that investigates misconduct by Chicago police officers has improperly — and inconsistently — ended some of its inquiries without coming to a conclusion.
The Office of the Inspector General issued its advisory findings Thursday, saying that the Civilian Office of Police Accountability’s practice of “administratively terminating” misconduct complaints “is ill-defined and frequently misapplied.”
The OIG said the misuse of administrative terminations “represents a risk that an allegation of police misconduct is improperly disposed of without ensuring either accountability or vindication for a Chicago Police Department member.”
And just how does Ferguson think the investigations are terminated "improperly"?
- Some COPA investigations, however, can be closed without an investigative finding, such as when a complainant does not give a sworn statement or when COPA opts to end an investigation administratively.
Oh, you mean when they follow State Law and close an investigation when a Sworn Affidavit isn't obtained?
Anyone here ever been to Court? (that's sarcastic) You remember what happens before you testify?
Anyone here ever been to Court? (that's sarcastic) You remember what happens before you testify?
- You're sworn in....under oath....and if you perjure yourself, you risk fines, firing and jail
But Fergie thinks that baseless accusations should be treated as if received from a Burning Bush, chiseled in stone and delivered to COPA. This is exactly why every cop and agency statewide should be fighting efforts to gut the Sworn Affidavit law.
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posted by SCC at 12:02 AM
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Ferguson saying other agencies aren't doing their jobs? Are you kidding me. The cheating on the Lt's test was blatant, there was so much evidence available that he probably destroyed several shredders getting rid of it. But it would have been very uncomfortable for so many merit people of a certain demographic that it wasn't politically expedient. Ferguson, do your job just once in your career. How is the investigation into a certain swat sergeant who seems to have lost so many weapons going? Not well I'm guessing since he is still there. Wonder how much the city will be liable for when one is found on a crime scene. I hope the media doesn't find out about it. But please keeping being the city's lapdog. Once you leave here you can always go work for McDonald's with all your achievements.
He is nothing but a leftist stooge for Groot.
I was at COPA a couple years ago. When I went in I asked if I was accused, they told me no. I said who is accused. They told me nobody. A rental car was reported stolen 9 months earlier. The company got it back but never cleared it up. The initial car stopped it as a stolen vehicle and detained and cuffed both occupants. We found a valid rental agreement from a couple days earlier and the driver told us it was an insurance rental because his car was in an accident. We explained to him to call the company and let them know his displeasure, and to make sure they clear the vehicle, but we would try to do it on our end as well. The driver's complaint was that he didn't believe the car was reported stolen because we didn't show him the pdt. When I asked why we were all being notified when nobody is accused of any wrongdoing, they just said they still have to investigate. Now with nobody accused, why shouldn't that be administratively closed? Big waste of time.
I truly believe proactive policing should stop. I’m not gonna be the guy that berates it but cmon. Answering calls is dangerous enough .
Retire joe... oh u cant because you are democrat bullshit
Go an investigate climate change or global warming on a government grant... and put your findings in a shredder cause no one gives a fuck
Hmm Mayor Ferguson
Off topic. Fuck whoever came up with these training times of 0600 and 0700 at far south locations for northsiders
Please stop calling that corrupt lying Chicago muthafuckah "Fergie".
There has to be a sworn affadavit. To eliminate that would be saying police are less than a citizen.
What qualifies this douche to be the ultimate authority in this matter? He obviously doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground and can’t investigate for shit. Hello, Lieutenant cheating scandal! As reliable a reputation as a Greylord Judge.
Maybe someone with no career ambitions should file an ARDC complaint. It has to be someone involved, not just our bystanders...
Link is here for knowledge:
https://www.iardc.org/htr_filingarequest.html
Not only fight that the Sworn Affidavit remain but that it be enforced. Seldom, if ever, do you hear of anyone being prosecuted for filing a false complaint supported by a signed sworn affidavit.
Fergi is a clueless POS. Political hack of the first caliber. Who investigated the investigator. Follow the money trail.
Typical Democratic Machine hack. Dumb as a box of rocks. Asshat of the first degree.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Off topic. Fuck whoever came up with these training times of 0600 and 0700 at far south locations for northsiders
The same people that probably used to send south siders to Near North High School for TARA and O’Hare Airport for Lemart.
Seriously, grow the fuck up
Why the grandstanding Joe? Something else coming out about you?
Chicago citizens have concluded without a lengthy investigation that the Inspector General's failure to release emails to the general public that show cheating on the Lieutenant's IS A COVER UP and clearly demonstrates that the IG is yet another illegitimate city department.
I was at COPA a couple years ago. When I went in I asked if I was accused, they told me no. I said who is accused. They told me nobody. A rental car was reported stolen 9 months earlier. The company got it back but never cleared it up. The initial car stopped it as a stolen vehicle and detained and cuffed both occupants.
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The lesson:
Do NOT do traffic stops or any proactive police work as long as the communists are running things.
"C'mon man! Are you a junkie?"
- Joe Biden
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Off topic. Fuck whoever came up with these training times of 0600 and 0700 at far south locations for northsiders
9/13/2020 01:07:00 AM
You get there in 11 minutes tho, beats chugging along at 20 mph and getting caught in the crossfire of honor students in the act of debating politics an the Ryan. At least going 60 you stand a chance.
F*ck Joe Ferguson. His big caper was coppers parking in 19 to go to the ballgame. What a complete asshole.
Which Joe is more senile? Biden can't string three sentences together. Fergueson can't find a corrupt contract involving thr south side Irish.
Mary Mitchell had an interesting column in Sunday's Times. Her reasoning is that since the police cannot stop all of these shootings and murders, we should consider defunding the police and put the money into social justice areas. She goes on to say that other avenues are needed to stop the crime besides the police who are so ineffective. Mitchell never talks about the fact that black people have been killing black people in large numbers for over 100 years and it runs in cycles. Then the fact that the police have been defanged and all of their tools taken away from them and they have been hammered into the ground by the liberals where they are afraid to do anything pro-active. So, now they are ineffective and the crime rate is the proof. Wow! What twisted thinking
Retire
Big Pension for Him
Big Retirement Benefits for Him
Maybe a second career at the 14th Ward or 13th Ward Offices
Maybe a second career with Cook County Government
"There has to be a sworn affidavit. To eliminate that would be saying police are less than a citizen."
Just passing through, but out in the Golden State affidavits have, to my knowledge, never been required.
The fucks on the 9th Circuit ruled 25 or 30 years ago that making a false report of police misconduct cannot be charged as a criminal offense. Their reasoning is that it's in the public interest to encourage complaints, when the complaint is found "unfounded" the cops is vindicated so there is no harm done. No harm no foul. the Court said that these complaints are investigated by the police agency that is expected to do a professional job and find the truth. If people face prosecution for filing a complaints there will be a chilling effect and people will be fearful of filing a complaint.
All departments have to accept anonymous complaints and complaints from third parties. All complaints have to be investigated and the complainant notified in writing of the result.
The only recourse for the cops is to sue the person making a false complaint in small claims court.
This is just FYI...so you know that other major jurisdictions don't require affidavits, or even requiring the fuck to tell the truth.
If people think cops have bad attitudes now just wait and see what happens if they gut the requirements for sworn affidavits. Nobody will do shit. They'll just count the days til retirement.
Anonymous said...
There has to be a sworn affadavit. To eliminate that would be saying police are less than a citizen.
9/13/2020 02:10:00 AM
That determination was made ages ago by the liberals.
Isn’t this the same clown who couldn’t find a scintilla of evidence in the Lie-Tenant cheating scandal.
Types of evidence that Ray Charles could’ve found yet Joe couldn’t find anything.... just like his handlers told him to come up empty.
A hearty Fuck You Joe.
Anonymous said...
Off topic. Fuck whoever came up with these training times of 0600 and 0700 at far south locations for northsiders
9/13/2020 01:07:00 AM
Kinda like south siders who for years had to go to near north or wright college???
Off topic. Fuck whoever came up with these training times of 0600 and 0700 at far south locations for northsiders
-- This is no coincidence. You can bet that whoever is behind these decisions has a full time job trying to find ways to screw over officers. There's literally hundreds of perfectly good schools around the entire city that are closed and not being used by the vermin marxist indoctrinators that we call teachers. CPD could use ANY of these buildings for training, but which one do they pick - some shitbox in 003 district. And I'd bet that this/these same person/people do not have to attend any of these commie reprogramming classes disguised as in-service training. And btw, we don't need a seminar on officer wellness and resiliency-- if you want us to be well and resilient then stop canceling days off, stop the 100-140hr work period without rest, and stop being administrative department jagoffs who are worse than the ones among the general citizenry.
how about meeting halfway? ....hold complaint pending sworn affidavit?
Because he is a DEMOCRAT......
And that is within the socialist DEMOCRATIC playbook.......
Keep investigations going,
Keep everything shut down,
Panic the public into voting DEMOCRAT so that THEY can save the nation
from the racist police, racist white privilege, and the Chinese plague......
And make america into a third world country so THEY can rule evermore.....
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Off topic. Fuck whoever came up with these training times of 0600 and 0700 at far south locations for northsiders
9/13/2020 01:07:00 AM
Welcome to the party, pal.
Inspector General are just agencies for political hacks to get a job. You think it’s a coincidence that the Office of the Executive Inspector General for Illinois is run by the wife of the guy that runs the Tollways Inspector General? You think the investigators for OEIG work there because of their lengthy and successful careers in law enforcement? If counting parker’s, loud noise complaints, domestics and duis yeah. They’re the same thing as investigators for the SAs office or AG. Cant investigate their way out of a room with two doors. Copa is the same only worse
I believe Joe’s term ends October 2021. He has to stay relevant...in these challenging times of historic first appointments.
When there was OPS (1974) and even early IPRA (2007) there weren’t Sworn Affidavits. They pretty much knew what a bullshit case was, a precursor to civil suit. The IPRA first annual report stated 40% of CR’s were shit-canned due to no affidavit, no complainant found. I think COPA is merely looking to create a tremendous backlogs just expand its budget. They count complaints phony, frivolous like IL counts covids cases...before actual confirmation. A frightened FergieSoy is always looking over his noodle-armed shoulders these days, wondering when Larri will say “yo’times up”.
ShortShanks appointee Fergie with the thumbs up from stoolie Larri (worked with USAtty FergieSoy) the ineffective director of OPS (didn’t last 2 yrs) that led to the new and improved IPRA, which Daley appointee Rosenwieg ran before Rahm picked Sharon Fairly (2015) another insider stooge, the angry toad Larri was appointed to the Police Board and police reform task force.
Not to mention Fairley also worked for Joe Fergie-Soy, the Failey’s gave heavily to KmmFxxxUp, Fairley’s husband worked at Arial Investments that controls CPS pensions (they actually made money when we lost funds)...and Joe DontKno’Nuttin FergieSoy sees no conflicts. Quite a web of connections.
Things have been f+cked up ever since...it’s all politics. Keep the constituency happy so they vote.
This affidavit issue and agenda sits well with and on JB Pigster and AG Kwamte 21st Century reform ideas. The pension is next.
Stay Fetal - No Stop = No CR’s.
Ferguson let the LT cheaters get promoted and now the are running this organization in a ditch !
Now with nobody accused, why shouldn't that be administratively closed? Big waste of time.
9/13/2020 12:15:00 AM
It should be, but instead of letting it end at that point, they want to make sure no wrongdoing of any sort is purposely or inadvertently revealed in your statement that they can use to discipline or discharge someone. They cannot go on a fishing expedition, but if someone offers it up by saying something stupid, they can make a move on it and will make a move on it. COPA is a snake pit.
Also, somebody most surely was used as an accused. Are you sure no member was served with an allegation(s)?
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/09/trump-hating-drudge-report-continues-hemorrhage-readers-breitbart-takes-reins-largest-conservative-website/
Ahhh I remember when I got on the job many moons ago & we had no affidavit just like it was yesterday... my CR# file was packed with bogus allegations and back then didn't go anywhere. I'm sure an audit now would put me in the personal concern list, But funny how after the affidavit my numbers dropped, hmmmm.
Anonymous said...
Retire
Big Pension for Him
Big Retirement Benefits for Him
Maybe a second career at the 14th Ward or 13th Ward Offices
Maybe a second career with Cook County Government
9/13/2020 08:37:00 AM
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oh you mean how 2 of my wifes relatives-- from alderwhore Solis and Chuy Garcia are both distantly related-- had an election and oh my relative takes my spot as I go to cook county government. If Solis came to the family get together in Indiana I would remind of this. prolly record his response and send it to the feds
There are a lot closed administratively due to no affidavit, bwc shows complainant was lying, old case where the complainant is no longer cooperative, or the old cases where half the files are missing because they were reassigned 10 times in the past 5 years. As far as pursuing criminal charges against these shitheads..it will NEVER happen.
The IG does not understand these types of investigations nor is limited by time or budget. Fuck those weirdos.
How long has the Arena complaint been going on for? 3 years now?
"Fuck whoever came up with these training times of 0600 and 0700 at far south locations for northsiders."
They are trying to "revitalize" these areas. That means your car gets broken into.
Off topic. Fuck whoever came up with these training times of 0600 and 0700 at far south locations for northsiders
-- This is no coincidence. You can bet that whoever is behind these decisions has a full time job trying to find ways to screw over officers. There's literally hundreds of perfectly good schools around the entire city that are closed and not being used by the vermin marxist indoctrinators that we call teachers. CPD could use ANY of these buildings for training, but which one do they pick - some shitbox in 003 district. And I'd bet that this/these same person/people do not have to attend any of these commie reprogramming classes disguised as in-service training. And btw, we don't need a seminar on officer wellness and resiliency-- if you want us to be well and resilient then stop canceling days off, stop the 100-140hr work period without rest, and stop being administrative department jagoffs who are worse than the ones among the general citizenry.
I find it odd that they will not schedule a retirement seminar and the excuse is because of the Covid 19 Pandemic, but they have no problem putting 30 or more police officers in the same room for some dumb training to make the marxist but holes that cry the loudest happy. All of this unnecessary training is a ridiculous waste of time and money , not to mention unrealistic in a real time setting when making an arrest on a resisting subject.
"There has to be a sworn affidavit. To eliminate that would be saying police are less than a citizen."
Just passing through, but out in the Golden State affidavits have, to my knowledge, never been required.
The fucks on the 9th Circuit ruled 25 or 30 years ago that making a false report of police misconduct cannot be charged as a criminal offense. Their reasoning is that it's in the public interest to encourage complaints, when the complaint is found "unfounded" the cops is vindicated so there is no harm done. No harm no foul. the Court said that these complaints are investigated by the police agency that is expected to do a professional job and find the truth. If people face prosecution for filing a complaints there will be a chilling effect and people will be fearful of filing a complaint.
All departments have to accept anonymous complaints and complaints from third parties. All complaints have to be investigated and the complainant notified in writing of the result.
The only recourse for the cops is to sue the person making a false complaint in small claims court.
This is just FYI...so you know that other major jurisdictions don't require affidavits, or even requiring the fuck to tell the truth.
Simple question, Does the false complaint stay in your file for your entire career?
Or is it removed once the investigation proves the complaint to be unfounded or if the officer is exonerated ?
Simply put in Chicago every Complaint ever filed against me was nothing but a complete lie and had no truth to any of them, but they are still in my file for my entire career. So if a plaintiff attorney wants to say I am a rouge police officer all he has to do is look into my file and because I have been on the job as a working police officer for over 24 years, I will have at the minimum of 24 complaints. So the lying cheating Lawyer can make up lies about me so some scum bag criminal can get a payout for a blatant lie. So Mr. Golden State, do the complaints stay in your file for your entire career or are they removed at a certain point once they are proven to be false.
Fuck him, He is a jagoff.
Wiener claimed the existing law, which states oral and anal sex between an adult within ten years of the age of a consenting minor requires the adult to be registered as a sex offender, discriminates against LGBT individuals:
If Biden/Harris get elected, look for more of these laws that were just passed in California. Legalizing perversion. Unbelievable.
This bill is about treating everyone equally under the law. These laws were put in place during a more conservative time in California’s history. They have ruined people’s lives and made it harder for them to get jobs, secure housing, and live productive lives. It is time we update these laws and treat everyone equally.
Existing state law allows judges to decide whether adults who have “penile-vaginal intercourse” with minors must register as a sex offender.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/13/gov-gavin-newsom-signs-bill-reducing-penalties-for-sodomy-with-minors/
Wiener said the current law targets these individuals because they do not engage in penile-vaginal intercourse.
Could you see what would happen if COPA was closed and the City IG did investigations.
Headline;
Bears kneel, raise fists for national anthem; others stay in locker room
Is the only state police still giving these pieces of shit escorts lights and sirens racing down the expressway to get them back-and-forth to their games? If you are you’re out of your mind your boss is there a piece of shit if they order you to do this God bless the police please don’t be pawns in their game.
Oh and fuck the bears and fuck you Larry and fat jb trust fund baby!
“do the complaints stay in your file for your entire career or are they removed at a certain point once they are proven to be false.”
9/13/2020 07:39:00 PM
I work in Massachusetts. We also have to investigate third party and anonymous complaints with no signed affidavits. Unsubstantiated complaints are kept in our files for five years.
Sergeants and lieutenants were ordered down to 35th street to discuss district operations with Dugan and McNaughton.Dugan was my sergeant for a short time. I Asked why nobody was ever charged with the state statute for signing the affidavit while knowingly lying. They both said they didn't have a winnable case. I said I have one with video evidence that was a slam dunk. They blew me off. Lost all respect for Dugan that day, never really had any for McNaughton.
J. Kass' legendary donkeys have gotten
in the cabbages and are now joyfully
braying and farting up a storm.
Fire Joe.
The IG has his head stuffed up his ass and he still can't find shit if it makes the politicians look bad. Correction-- Democratic Politicians not Republican just democrat pieces of crap.
"Simple question, Does the false complaint stay in your file for your entire career?
Or is it removed once the investigation proves the complaint to be unfounded or if the officer is exonerated ?"
I believe the answer is yes, depending on jurisdiction....but only the findings of sustained, unsustained, unfounded. The complainant does not receive a copy of the IA report, only the findings. Of course if they file suit, then that is a different matter.
Defense attorneys file a motion with the court to gain access to the files. The court will order the department to produce the officers records and then review the records and decide if the defense is allowed access. So, in the case of a excessive use of force, the court might order the release of any complaint dealing with use of force. The defense is ordered to not disclose the reports outside of court use. The defense is provided with the last known contact information for the complaint, the circumstances of the complaint, but not the entire file.
This is called a Pitches motion, named after the now imprisoned former sheriff of LA County, and is pretty routine. (https://www.google.com/search?q=Pitches+motion&oq=Pitches+motion&aqs=chrome..69i57.1164j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)
All this is changing, the Democrats run the state including the Supreme Court, so who knows, maybe it will be like Florida where the entire IA report is posted online for all to see. (Check out the officer who was fired for not disclosing he dated Casey Anthony before she was charged...the entire report was online.)
Never forget the fact that Joe traded any integrity he ever had for a political contract for himself. Shyster Joe is still the only person in Chicago who doesn't know that the last CPD Lieutenants test was totally rigged. He is a basically dishonest person and without a doubt a loyal democRAT
Mafioso capital of the US and can’t get a favor done. Sad
I see the A3 Commanders lawsuit Beef is coming to light!!
I worked in IAD in the 80's. I had a discussion which turned out to be an argument with OPS back then when OPS wanted an off duty police officer charged with rape for not paying a prostitute. I thought it should be " theft of services". I thought it to be funny but I know the accused was not laughing. In the end, the entire matter was shit canned, as it should have been. The OPS boss was a hard core leftist lesbian
The northsiders don't like traveling to the south side locations because even Starbucks is smart enough not to put a location south.
"...I worked in IAD in the eighties..."
Apology NOT accepted.
I worked in IAD in the 80's. I had a discussion which turned out to be an argument with OPS back then when OPS wanted an off duty police officer charged with rape for not paying a prostitute. I thought it should be " theft of services". I thought it to be funny but I know the accused was not laughing. In the end, the entire matter was shit canned, as it should have been. The OPS boss was a hard core leftist lesbian
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So you are saying the cop engaged a pro, failed to pay, and the investigation decided no punishment? Isn't engaging a pro a crime, regardless of payment?
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