No West Side Casino?
Instead of turning down what was obviously the worst location for a casino, the Cubs provide a way for Groot to back out:
The Chicago Cubs are stepping to the plate with a development plan for a long-vacant site in Lawndale that was the centerpiece of a political scandal in the 1990s.
The team’s charitable arm is interested in putting a baseball-oriented training center for youths on a roughly 21-acre site at Roosevelt Road and Kostner Avenue. Team spokesman Julian Green said the Cubs this week will submit a proposal to the city, which owns the property.
We recall this being described as a dumping ground for the Dan Ryan reconstruction debris in the 1990's. A few 011 District cops we met described it as a fifty foot high mountain of concrete boulders the size of refrigerators covering a few full city blocks. The EPA may even have declared it a Superfund site at one point.
Perhaps now, Groot can give proper consideration to either a McCormick Place casino or something on Northerly Island.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
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Yeah, a training center for yutes. We need more kid baseball
stars that went on to become CPD tyrants because they were
spoiled to death.
Oh yes, let's put a casino in the middle of the ghetto. That should work out just fabulously for the 30 dead tourists that are stupid enough to show up to get robbed by these predators. Then, the word will get out and no one but local public aid recipients and drug dealing high rollers with their violent tendencies will kill the casino. Is there ANY intelligent life here?
I remember a bunch of old ranges and refrigerators and drywall and lumber scraps fell off my truck over there in the late 80s… seemed like an improvement then.
Legalized drugs won't save Chicago. Neither will a casino.
The country is saturated with casinos. Even Atlantic city is a ghost town. Too many casinos that can't compete with each other or slots at the local bar.
Chicago is dying.
Circus-Circus Casino-Casino.
Hey, why not, in this pandemic world.
People with money to burn.
Didn't that location have something to do with Silver Shovel?
Ah, Silver shovel. I remember the mountain on the north side of Roosevelt right in front of Chandlers office.
Sgt Cooper said she will head up the security at the new casino!
Sounds like a pay off. I wonder what the Cubs will get from the city. Groot put the arm on them to help clean up her beloved west side. Because after all it is only about the South and West Side. The rest of the city is just out of luck.
This is the biggest no brainer in Chicago’s history. Build the damm casino downtown where the people are(were)and it will make lots of money. Of course these democrats would have to stop with the Covid crap for it to work.
it was alot higher and bigger than you describe. back then i worked for the shitty and bounced down west roosevelt in equiptment almost ever day and watched that mountain rise. at the time polution in general and fly dumping in the community was a hot topic. being in the trades i often wondered how they were getting away with that, there were no signs or anything that made it look legit. alderdork henry was railing against it at monthly meetings blameing the white devil on the fifth floor. during the fbi silver shovel expose it came out ole boy henry was getting 15.00 a load, typical hypocritical ghetto democrat. he died before he could vacation at club fed. fun fact : that wasnt the only one, walsh and kenny were dumping all over the southside including one just northeast of the kedzie bridge over the beltline tracks east of nabisco and one east of cicero and 71 st. the city paid twice to haul a couple million tons of debris from the ryan rebuild. water dept commissioner went to jail for bribery on that one too. somebody remind me........why isnt that criminal daley in prison ? he paid his buddies to haul that shit to the dump at great expense, instead they dumped ski hills of it in the ghetto, gave him millions in donations, and as a lawyer and former prosecuter din no nuffins ? you young guys missed it, it was fuckin epic hahaha.
“A few 011 District cops we met described it as a fifty foot high mountain of concrete boulders the size of refrigerators covering a few full city blocks.”
This area, bounded by Roosevelt, Kostner, Fifth Avenue and Kildare was affectionately known as “Mount Fillmore”.
It served as the ultimate “hole”: naps, firearms range, impromptu gin mill and rendezvous point for meeting “extracurricular paramours” were just a few of the benefits reaped by third and first watch personnel, complements of the crooked-assed politicians snared by “Operation Silver Shovel”.
I can’t believe three-plus decades have already passed. G-damn, I miss the good ol’ days.
ya know...........if the taxpayers knew..........how they were getting double and triple fucked............week in and week out........year after year.......they would revolt...........and the money machine would dry up overnite. thats why the p.r. arm of the demoncrap party doesnt report anything resembling real news, ever. the machine knows all and the legacy pravda knows most, they just dont want you to know. you cant handle the truth ! now lets turn on wgn and watch another cat in a tree story.........
I vote for McCormick Place. Makes sense.
that's a good neighborhood
Whats the City going to sell the property for...$ 1??
Just opening another can of worms. The city will be every ‘underage’ Jackie Robinson ‘all-star’ wanna-be suing the city for asbestos poisoning. ‘My baseball career was cut short cause you knew that was tainted land and you wanted to poison us!’
Daley's doing. On WTTW the City Club of Chicago runs an ad where at the end it shows about 100 prominent Chicagoans all in a Zoom like combination screen, and not a Daley in the bunch. It's like they never existed. They should name Daley Plaza after DuSable, the College after Woo Woo and bury their existence in historical correctness.
A casino is the solution for nothing good except more corruption for the connected few and the bangers pimps and hoes which we have enough of already how about a fiscally managed state and city government by the people and for the people let’s try
that for starters grasping for straws as usual smmfh
I vote for McCormick Place. Makes sense.
12/23/2020 04:59:00 AM
Sure does. And if they can make it a hospital at warp speed, they can make it a casino at the same warp speed. All they have to do is cut all the bullshit and get down to brass tacks.
That was Operation Silver Shovel-- Jesse Jetstream led a protest there in the mid 1990s. I was assigned there that day.
No one will come to the casino but bangers and ghetto rats on welfare. It will not be safe. Don’t even think about it.
Yes, I can see the headlines now, " Cubs players shot at while driving to training facility on the WestSide".
Who the hell would go to a casino in chicago? no other casino charges for parking but i would bet Chicago would charge 25.00 plus risk driving to and from or followed and get carjacked,see where im going?
I used to go up to the top of Mt Fillmore, it was very peaceful. Someone from the community had actually dragged a picnic table up there and a small parking area had been carved out on the east side of it. It was the quietest place in 011.
I won’t even go downtown to shop and eat because it’s too dangerous and she wanted to put a casino on the west side ?! Holy shit , the same west side that has the most murders out of any other district in the city ? Wow !!!! Groot you’re a genius . That would be the only casino to lose money . God damn Lari you are so dumb.
Splendid! Running the bases and fielding fly balls in body armor will really strengthen their little legs.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Legalized drugs won't save Chicago. Neither will a casino.
The country is saturated with casinos. Even Atlantic city is a ghost town. Too many casinos that can't compete with each other or slots at the local bar.
Chicago is dying.
12/23/2020 12:16:00 AM
Maybe but Rivers Casino in DesPlaines does about $500 million a year. Every year.
I remember a bunch of old ranges and refrigerators and drywall and lumber scraps fell off my truck over there in the late 80s… seemed like an improvement then.
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They're still there.
Remember the mountain, was amazing.
I'm not much into pod casts but at a wake while recalling the good old days, someone mentioned the mountain. Yeah we get boring as we get old.
Someone mentioned the pod cast "The City".
10 episodes explained the story from start to finish, mentioned all the companies and politicians involved.
Listened to it on Sundays while driving to Kenosha to screw fat ass out of gas tax.
Made the trip much more pleasant.
Have they broken ground yet on the new west side police/fire academy? That thing won't be completed until 2030 at the earliest.
We need more Aldermen like Wild Bill Henry.
Ah, Silver shovel. I remember the mountain on the north side of Roosevelt right in front of Chandlers office.
12/23/2020 12:25:00 AM
Um that would be Alderman "Pimpin" Bill Henry's office. And that nickname was given to him by his constituents. So many great stories about Bill and his wife Wheezie.
"The Chicago Cubs are stepping to the plate with a development plan for a long-vacant site in Lawndale that was the centerpiece of a political scandal in the 1990s."
I think the figure was that 1 in 100,000 "community center" neighborhood basketball players will actually get on the NBA and cut a multi-million-dollar path for themselves; the rest are showing great moves and getting lots of exercise.
Sports, the military, politics, and opening your own church can only take so many people so far.
Industrial production is what creates wealth - and we have lost so much of ours. "Restaurants and consumer spending" are the basis of the whole economy today; it used to be that eating and buying stuff was made possible by wages earned at PRODUCTION - the metal stamping places on Lake St., on Cicero, on Western Ave. going like hell, the smell of that hot sulfurized cutting oil and the BANGBANGBANG of all those punch presses coming out the open windows on a summer night until the neighborhood kids didn't like to walk past because of the racket...
That used to be Dad in there paying for the house - and their older brother just graduated high school and got started there too..
Today?
[empty chip bag blows down street]
There's your problem.
Why does everyone think a casino solves problems? Casinos create problems. The money they generate is at the expense of those duped into gambling. Taxpayers then end up bailing those people out. They will sell the $400 LINK card for $200 cash and then gamble it away. And then carjack you.
Until there is welfare/public aid reform and unemployment <1%, it is irresponsible to build casinos that only make the rich politicians and their connected friends richer.
"Walsh and Kenny were dumping all over the southside including one just northeast of the kedzie bridge over the beltline tracks east of nabisco and one east of cicero and 71 st. the city paid twice to haul a couple million tons of debris from the ryan rebuild..."
Chicago Stories!
(I love it)
We Called it Mt Fillmore, it was an enormous rock pile which added to the general ambience and feel of an Oklahoma type dust bowl, throw in the hoe stroll on Cicero and Arthington and the dope boys up and down Kostner dropping each other regularly and you had the prequil to the walking dead. I will never forget those crazy days!!
Well where did the mountain of debris go? The area is flatland now. And who paid to move it/where? Why move it twice?
Putting a casino on west side is like putting a waterhole next to a lions den. Even McCormick place there will be risk. That south loop has become a crime infested hole. Those poor trust fund kids can’t come out after night so who’s going to gamble? I wouldn’t spend one dime at any casino in chicago.
How about turning Wrigley Field, or what's left of it, into a casino? Nobody watches baseball in that BLM ass-kissing beer hall anymore.
Remember this: A casino (or a lottery) doesn't create wealth. Seriously. It does not increase the size of the "pie." All it does is make one slice larger and another slice smaller. A casino only redistributes wealth.
On the other hand, manufacturing jobs where you take raw materials and add labor? That creates wealth. It increases the size of the pie.
In like manner, government does not create wealth, either. Politicians forcibly remove wealth from those that have it and put it somewhere else. They don't make the pie any bigger. Maybe that explains why they're clueless about what it takes to actually create wealth. Maybe that's why mfgrs are leaving IL.
Along that same line, unions don't increase wealth, either. Blunt truth. Their wage and pension efforts don't really make the pie any bigger. Somebody's piece gets larger; somebody else's piece gets smaller.
Wealth creation means creating something that is more than the sum of its parts. In Chicago, it means scamming money from the taxpayer and putting it in someone else's pockets.
This is the biggest no brainer in Chicago’s history. Build the damm casino downtown where the people are(were)and it will make lots of money. Of course these democrats would have to stop with the Covid crap for it to work.
12/23/2020 01:26:00 AM
Bwahaha! Yea, it'll be packed! Everyone enjoys the wildings. No problem. Show up with $100, win $100, and go home broke with a cracked skull. Can't wait!
Be real: no sane person is gonna invest to develop a casino in Chicago because the dirty, greedy, grubhanded, corrupt, mouth foaming city, county and state politicians will tax the living shit out of any revenue the casino owners would generate. Zero return on profit after taxes. Greedy fucks. Even the mob knows better. Play bingo instead.
I'm fine with it being in the ghetto. Moving the Casino will just force the ghetto residents/super predators/urban youths to travel to the site at McCormick or wherever to rob and murder the patrons. A casino just means more crime for the city and more taxes stolen by these corrupt politicians. It won't fund your pensions or back pay.
Lonndale has been in continuous urban renewal ever since ‘68. Always room for improvements, including a new polices academy to the north in Garfields’s toxic dumping ground.
A west side casino there was never going to happen, no investor group was signing up to lose before they broke ground and hand 40% off the top to the corrupt city and state. Anyway, the shuttered McPier & MacCormick’s are both destined for a $1 liquidation sale pending JB’s abrupt retirement.
The Cubs West Side Grounds - West Side Park circa 1885-1915.
(If they build it, they will come. If they shoot, watch them run.)
Cheap land is hard to come by, just ask TIF beneficiary Sterling’s Bay Lincoln Yards.
For the Cubs, It’s a write-off.
Daylight little league, maybe some midnight basketball, all seasonal and offer little for the developer - unless City gets to pick subs. But where are they going to re-dump all that dumped toxic waste? Won’t be cheap so that land is worth less than it’s weight in tainted dirt. Only Sterling Bay Lincoln Yards can make money on EPA detoxification using city upfront colonization money.
Larri is having a crisis right now. She’s thisclose to being turned over to the nervous hospital. Cubs need a way to cut 2021 losses and charity always is a solid place to drop reportable income.
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“This area, bounded by Roosevelt, Kostner, Fifth Avenue and Kildare was affectionately known as “Mount Fillmore”. It served as the ultimate “hole”...”
– if 011 ever had a dogpatch (014) that boundary in 011 sure was unique. I was dumped into new fillmo Harrison after academy, this life long northsider trying to learnt the new skreet names. One that stuck was Fifth Avenue. Thought I was being bullshitted when doe told me ‘he stayed on Fifth Avenue’. My only relocation of that street name was in Midtown Manhattan NYC and the name of a janky candy bar. Wonder what the City Planners had in mind when they named that 1 mile stretch. They certainly didn’t consult Fredrick Olmstead.
Cmon, you mean people that can afford to go to a casino don’t want to risk their lives doing so???
Who would have thought....
This is the biggest no brainer in Chicago’s history. Build the damm casino downtown where the people are(were)and it will make lots of money. Of course these democrats would have to stop with the Covid crap for it to work.
12/23/2020 01:26:00 AM
Sorry the biggest no brainer is between you ears. Downtown/Mag Mile is a cesspool that isn't going to get any better unless Guiliani becomes Mayor. Pretty likely huh? Check out the CWB website. 22 guns seized by CPD downtown in December. Massive brawl in the middle of the day at Nieman Marcus which spilled over into Saks. Sure let me bring the wife down for fine evening in your downtown casino. We'll be shopping for a casket the next day. Don't even have the mob around anymore to provide security. Have fun!
Puts slot machines in both airports. When we get our lives back, it will make money. Downtown isn’t safe at night. .. or during the day much either.
"He said the Cubs Urban Youth Academy and campus would help fulfill the longtime goals of the Ricketts family, which owns the team.
“Our goal through Cubs Charities is increasing access to diamond sports — baseball and softball — in underserved communities” while helping youths with social and academic progress, Green said. He said the team also wants to reverse the decline of African Americans playing professional baseball."
They should call it Social Justice Field, or perhaps BLM Park. Since demographic proportionality is so important in sports, I wonder if the Bulls will open up a basketball facility in the suburbs "to reverse the decline of whites playing professional basketball."
Anonymous said...
Puts slot machines in both airports. When we get our lives back, it will make money. Downtown isn’t safe at night. .. or during the day much either.
12/23/2020 04:44:00 PM
The slot machines at both airports was a gold mine idea and would make money NOW, but as usual this stupid city politicians screwed that up!
There is a gold mine of out of town travelers looking for things to do and spend money on!!!
Chicago could have made millions of dollars already like Las Vegas does NOW!
Hell, even the new MMF Car Rental place has been open for two years yet out of town travelers can't get a cup of coffee while waiting to do car rental business!
Stupid fools running this City of Chicago, while loosing millions in sales and tax revenues!
Then again, I rather go to Las Vegas then stay in Chicago!
What is the attraction shitty haul has with plunking
stuff on top of toxic waste sites?
001 Dist.
On top of a junkyard on top of the ancient
bottom of Lake Chicago/Lake Michigan which means
all that toxic grease/solvent which has percolated
through the ground which explains why the building
is pulling itself apart from the foundation up.
H.Q.
Old dump/junkyard, the same thing as 001.
"New CPD Academy" Chicago/Kostner & Tripp/Ferdinand.
Old but not forgotten industrial site.
Harrison Park. 18th & Damen.
Dump/Junkyard. Former 19th century stone quarry?
(The old man taking us with to Bishop's Chili
on the N.E. corner of 18th & Damen is a fond memory)
U.S. Steel South Works Site.
All kinds of pie-in-the-sky projections
that went over like a Lead Zeppelin because
NOBODY wants to be on the hook for the Chicago
version of Love Canal if residential housing is
ever to be plunked down on top of that nasty piece.
They would have to excavate and haul to an unholy depth.
And of course that would be below the water table.
>Lake Michigan filling the hole... Rapidly<
And much much more...
Speculators, middle-men and Lick-Hitters
all shanking the shit out of each other
trying to get money and GTFO before anybody
gets wise to what's really happening.
Heh... Seeing the lot of them laid out with stupid grins
on their faces, their dicks in the dirt and sharpened
spoons protruding from between their shoulder blades
would actually make for some timely comic relief.
Facilitated on an accelerated scale by Shortshanks,
Rahm al-Ghoul and Sir/Ma'am Lightfoot.
You know... Since the feds have been energetically
looking at every-damned-thing-else but this bee-yes...
Michigan Avenue and downtown will never be the same. Walking down the abandoned streets and boarded up buildings and your head is on a swivel waiting for something to break out. Beetlejuice tore down a once a great city in record time.
Sorry the biggest no brainer is between you ears. Downtown/Mag Mile is a cesspool that isn't going to get any better unless Guiliani becomes Mayor. Pretty likely huh? Check out the CWB website. 22 guns seized by CPD downtown in December. Massive brawl in the middle of the day at Nieman Marcus which spilled over into Saks. Sure let me bring the wife down for fine evening in your downtown casino. We'll be shopping for a casket the next day. Don't even have the mob around anymore to provide security. Have fun!
12/23/2020 04:27:00 PM
Anonymous said...
This is the biggest no brainer in Chicago’s history. Build the damm casino downtown where the people are(were)and it will make lots of money. Of course these democrats would have to stop with the Covid crap for it to work.
12/23/2020 01:26:00 AM
Sorry the biggest no brainer is between you ears. Downtown/Mag Mile is a cesspool that isn't going to get any better unless Guiliani becomes Mayor. Pretty likely huh? Check out the CWB website. 22 guns seized by CPD downtown in December. Massive brawl in the middle of the day at Nieman Marcus which spilled over into Saks. Sure let me bring the wife down for fine evening in your downtown casino. We'll be shopping for a casket the next day. Don't even have the mob around anymore to provide security. Have fun!
12/23/2020 04:27:00 PM
At least I’m not sitting on my brain asshat. They are building a casino in Chicago at some point. Where do you suppose they build it? Just because you’re scared doesn’t mean the entire population is. You have no sense.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Have they broken ground yet on the new west side police/fire academy? That thing won't be completed until 2030 at the earliest.
12/23/2020 09:43:00 AM
Good. It will be empty anyway when no one signs up to take the job. Who will they train?
I worked in 011 when that garbage heap kept growing. We called it the Fillmore Ski Hill
A casino only redistributes wealth.
12/23/2020 11:44:00 AM
Isn't that what the democrats want, to redistribute YOUR "wealth" to their constituents?
rb
Just put gaming machines in the bars and restaurants and problem solved. A casino in this shithole city will never make a profit. You can take that to the bank!!
Better to go with machines just like the suburbs.. limit them to bars if you like.
Even steve Wynn did not want to be involved with this fucked up city and that was before mayor shitfoot..
to the sun times intern who axxed wher did the debris go? who moved it ?where did it go ? why move it twice ? the answer is this isnt armpit kansas where you went to journlism junior college. political insider contibutors are given a billion dolla gubbmint contract to dig out and replace the dan ryan. dumps are far away and charge alot per truckload plus truck rental, fuel, driver and bennies. solution ? dump that shit in the nearest ghetto. win win. locals dump their own shit everywhere and no fucks are given. the scope and timeline of the project proves without a doubt that the people in charge of the city knew what was happening. it was a fucking mountain ! dont see alot of mountains here in the flatlands bunky. even the casual observer like me was like wtf is going on here. "why was it moved twice? " enter the sleepy once every ten years federal investigation. uumm, once caught they couldnt just leave it there now could they ? after all it was in an underserved community. " who moved it ? " you did silly ! the feds made it a superfund site and the city and the feds had to haul it all out to hazerdous waste sites and then pay to do a hazmat job on the site. " why did they pay twice ? well actually they didnt, after all the legal fees, fines, prosecutions, investigation costs, licensed hazmat excavators and hazmat trucking and disposal and restoration of this hallowed ground YOU probably paid 5 times the original cost of what it would have been to just do what they were paid for and dump it in stearns quarry, or lake daley, over on halsted. the city that works indeed. and that my young troll is how walsh construction went from being 2 guys with a pickup truck and a wheelbarrow into a global constructor in 30 years. dont teach ya much in those poisin ivy league schools now do they. silver shovel. look it up. funny story. had a foreman drove by there every day in an open door pie wagon type of crew truck. he would tape a 20.00 to his forehead and all the hoes at roosevelt and kostner would chase the truck down the street, broken heels and flying wigs would ensue, oh the humanity. the good old days, two different worlds, home at night, safe and sane, days in the somalia street market., people never believed our stories, thought we were making them up. you could never make up the stuff i saw in the hood in the 70s,80s and 90s. thats tonights story, now go to bed snowflake and dream of kamalas workers paradise.......
At least I’m not sitting on my brain asshat. They are building a casino in Chicago at some point. Where do you suppose they build it? Just because you’re scared doesn’t mean the entire population is. You have no sense.
12/23/2020 11:10:00 PM
You have no sense, DICKHEAD.... merry Christmas;)
As was mentioned about a month ago by an SCC Commentator... What about Gambling Cruise Ships docked in Chicago and cruising Lake Michigan? This could be done under State of Illinois Jurisdiction (Regulatory and Tax).
Let us use Gambling— a wager subject to the Laws of Probability
To build a Community of Opportunity
On a Foundation of Diversity
Of Equality and Inclusivity
—- For all the World to See!
“ Puts slot machines in both airports. When we get our lives back, it will make money. Downtown isn’t safe at night. .. or during the day much either.@12/23/2020 04:44:00 PM
– Slots machines would sure get a work out, but the rent/lease for floor space plus occupant limits wouldn't make this feasible. I believe it was proposed in 2015 or so in a future (now ongoing) Terminal expansion.
Any slots gambling at the airports would require a bevy of federal approvals. Big money doesn’t want to break even being not only overtaxed but over paying for space. Heck, the Post Office even moved out of O’Hare. ShortShanks wanted the City be to the owner of the casino/gambling license, imagine that. They can’t even provide for homeowners with revenues form O’Hare when times were good.
Good money returns are hard to find, if we (pensions) could invest just a portion in just one or two of the deals this city subsidizes with bids, TIF’s and infrastructure grants, it would pay dividends that only Warren Buffet could match.
A "U Haul " hub considering all the movement out of Illinois and Chicago would make better use of the space
There's probably dozens of dead hookers shitheads assholes and junkies, all strewn thru that massive lot of garbage. Training camp for baseball! HA! If they can dodge the rifle rounds as they whiz by!! What a joke. I wouldn't bring my kid there even if it were completely free, which it absolutely WILL be, like EVERYTHING on the west side is. Pathetic joke. Hello Cubs!!wtf
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