Personnel Question (UPDATE)
The blog has been pointing out massive shortages at the District level and the theft of manpower to supply these CST teams that aren't doing a damn thing about the near-constant backlogs burning out cops citywide.
We also wrote about Groot's soft "defunding" via a budget cut of 600 unfilled positions. This was while the Department was close to 1,000 officers short of the staffing of four years ago.
Then, a few days ago:
- Wait until Jan 16th, we will be 2,023 officers shorter on that day due to retirements. This is the single largest retirement in CPD history. You not only have the guys with the 30 years but now the numbers leaving in the 100’s are down to 10 years. I work at the Jive-ory Tower and it’s chaos. Brown is disinterested because he’s gone soon back to Texas and Carter is just to stupid to understand. At least the young kids trapped in patrol are exploring massive lateral moves or just leaving for the private sector. We could conceivably have manpower dwindle under 5,000 and no help in sight. Another summer like last year the whole city could burn.
We don't know where this "2,023" number came from and if it included the 1,000 the Department was already short. We have observed many more people leaving with 20 years rather than 25 or 29. We've also seen new officers leaving for other agencies at a record pace.
To retire with the insurance under the 55-and-out provision, you have to notify the city of your intent to retire by 01 October of the year previous. So if you intended on retiring in 2021, you should have notified the city by 01 October 2020 to get the full benefits of the 55-and-out. [corrected info]
A typical year is 400 Officers....+/- a couple dozen. We've heard three separate numbers in the past two weeks.
- 800 - 2 times the norm
- 1,000 - 2.5 times the norm
- 1,200 - 3 times the norm
Any of these numbers would spell trouble beyond anything the Department has seen in living memory.
UPDATE: The 2,023 appears to be the number of officers who could go tomorrow - as in twenty years of service (pension eligible) AND 50 years of age. We've still got people tracking down this number and trying to figure out how many people have already declared their intent to leave.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:04 AM
183 Comments:
Jive-ory tower is the best name to give 35th street. With the bosses there giving new spots just because they belong to a special fraternity, the name is very well fitting. You jive turkey! 👐
Groot must be happy as can be. She hates us!
Also not good for our pension. As it stands there are already more receiving pension checks than there are contributing to the pension.
Don’t forget about the people in call back or on medical too. Mr Texas (mayor) loves to take police powers away from people, so keep adding up the shortage. Anyone tell the Mayor F you lately.
OT: Why isnt anyone taking a 2nd look at POS Sgt Khalil Muhammad #960 (Case #: 19PB2956) who was given ONLY a 6 month suspension for basically committing a drive by shooting while off duty, in his personal vehicle, where a RING camera video shows him shoot a mentally challenged young man for basically looking suspicious while walking down the street.
Not only does his statement given not reflect what is seen on RING camera footage it should of been evidence enough for not only an arrest but surely a conviction.
Why wasn’t he charged criminally? Why did he NEVER spend a day at Callback while under investigation? Was he ever even stripped?
Truly is all bout who u know not what u know! He’s a perfect example.
Hello! Anyone? (Media - Mayors Office)
This was just a rumor from some guy who was running numbers. The number 2023 is the amount of people in the department who are over the age of 50. Many of these people.. if not 90 percent still have 2-3 years until they are 55 or longer until they get to 29 and a day. So what they really were saying, is in theory 2023 COULD retire now. This rumor got legs a few weeks ago. Untrue, we are not losing that amount.
This disgusting "beast" of a mayor is pure political evil. No cost of lives matter to this vindictive, miserable twerp. The Community is incapable of understanding this fool, she their fool and the price the Community pays for their fool is a costly one. Gut the police if you want. You're the Murder Queen. We give you nothing. You own all the horror, misery and blood letting in Chicago. Eat shit twerp - its all yours to eat.
Is there any talk about giving medical to the people who have 29 and a day on even if they’re not 55 years old? Has anybody asked if the FOP is asking for this in the next contract?
This is absolutely happening. Not sure about the numbers but it’s massive. Doomsday is coming for the CPD. I can’t believe the aldermen aren’t screaming about this looming danger. The numbers of young newly trained officers leaving is also massive. Lightfoot is crushing the department and putting the safety of it’s citizens at risk. There will be a huge recruiting problem to come. Law enforcement has become very unattractive and working for Chicago even more so. New kids are watching and listening to Lightfoot and it’s a huge turnoff. 4 years no contract and forced residency why would anyone want that when no other departments do that. Almost all other departments have lateral transfers to survive. Chicago doesn’t and they can’t with residency. No one will put up with residency. It’s very antiquated.
WRONG, you must notify the city before October 1st. NOT in October. SCC Please call personnel to verify this. I hope SCC posts an update so no one gets screwed in 2020. The only exception, I think, is if you are 60 years old.
Retired!!!! And enjoying it!!!!!!!
I do know that it’s a very large number going in January. Human Resources is overwhelmed right now. Cops are retiring early because the politicians have destroyed the job. It’s too risky with a hating mayor. I also know that there’s an unprecedented amount of cops leaving with under 7 years to lateral to other departments. Chicago is losing big on this because tax money trains them and certifies them. The department they lateral to reaps the benefits by not spending money on training and certifying. The number one reason they’re leaving is residency followed by being treated like garbage. Other departments don’t do that to their police officers. So how the hell is Chicago going to attract candidates?
I’m up north and we’ve had guys and girls <10 years, between 10-20 just walk away and many walking at 20 years. Few laterals. Not many waiting for the 55 with insurance. Many planning on bailing at 20 well under the age of 50 to collect. They just figure they’ll find something else till they can collect. LL has succeeded in destroying a major metropolitan city. Congrats. Should call her the wrecking ball.
If you can get out, then get out while your pension, your assets and, most importantly, your mental and physical health are good.
If you can't get out, then remember Chinatown: "Do as little as possible."
I'm an old retired detective. Looking in from the outside at what the job is now, if you have the time and age, take them pension. If you're young without too much time on the job, look elsewhere. They say this isn't your fathers job anymore. Well I'm the father and I say this isn't my son's job anymore either.
https://chi.streetsblog.org/2014/01/10/hypocritical-cbs-2-reporter-tries-to-keep-driving-privileges-after-dui/
Aldermen? Media? Anyone going to start asking questions about current manpower and future manpower? Lack of recruiting? This isn’t a joke. Who’s going to do this job?
The question is “Why wouldn’t you retire or lateral?” Chicago is Detroit or Flint or Camden or fill in the blank.
What a damn shame.
Why would any officer of any rank who could retire stay and do another summer (or year) like 2020...? In your last year(s) OTJ do you wanna work all your summer weekends and holidays...?! Fuck you, I’d be gone unless I was set and secure in a good spot .
Groot couldn't be happier to lose all these "racist" old timers.
So if you intended on retiring in 2021, you should have notified the city in October 2020 to get the full benefits of the 55-and-out.
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The FOP has always had these numbers in past years.
All I can say is, If you are 55+ and have atleast 20 yrs then you should have notified the city you are retiring, and you should be doing just that!!!
Why are there so many officers on this job that are 55+ with 30 or more years under their belt?
There is life after the police force. What are you waiting for to retire? Stop chasing the money before its to late.
If you are reading this I am talking about you!
The net lost of officers is devastating and needs to be addressed immediately
before the whole city goes up in flames. Patrol is the backbone of the entire
Department and without it nothing else matters !
We are WAY too top heavy and need to cut the fat off the top.
The amount of officers “working” at HQ & the academy is
RIDICULOUS !!! Resources need to be much better allocated.
But we all know that the groot really doesn’t give a shit about homicides,
businesses, crime or anything just as long as it doesn’t negatively impact her
power. Since the lazy, dishonest shitcago media is the tank for her and all liberal
politicians, crime & city problems will be greatly under reported.
When have the media covering for you,
you don’t even have to pretend to care.
This is going to come to a head across the country at some point in the near future. The narrative is to hate us and to destroy us as every turn. This in turn causes applicants to not apply as they see what’s happening. Now instead of 30,000 applicants and a eligibility list of 15,000 you have 4000 applicants and they automatically put everyone who shows up for the test on the eligibility list. Maybe 2500-3000 show up. You can’t take 100% of them, but they’re taking people they shouldn’t be taking because they need bodies. Those people they shouldn’t be taking will do stupid shit because they’re assholes who should’ve never been hired and the cycle continues. So maybe you get a few hundred from the 3000 and a bunch of which are substandard. You can’t even keep up with the attrition rate. At some point something has to give. And you have to wonder, what is Chicago, and other major cities, going to do? Not enough people are applying for the job. You can’t force people to do it. You have to somehow entice people to take the job, and how can we do that? Well, the non stop visceral hatred needs to stop, but that’s absolutely not going to happen. It may simmer down for a few years but every election year they’ll rustle it back up. More money? Negative ghost riders, they don’t want to pay those of us around now. Residency? They won’t do it nor do I think that will work to attract new recruits. The answer? I honestly don’t know the answer. I don’t see how this gets better. Do departments just dwindle and private security is hired in massive numbers? Doesn’t really fix anything. I’m smart, but I’m not this smart. Maybe something unforeseen happens, I won’t hold my breath. Stay safe boys and girls, us and our families are the only ones who give a shit about us.
Off thread--but the big news about the raid is CBS reporter Dave Savini has an axe to grind against police. He has duis with children in the vehicle, battery(s), and most recently a 2020 harassment report.
Will CBS report any of that?
This is occurring in the NYPD. Caught a segment on the Ben Shapiro radio show WLS 890 today where he was interviewing Dr. Quanta Ahmed MD (she is a very conservative pulmonologist who comments on current political affairs on Fox News). She is pro police. She treats NYPD officers and is very concerned as she said she has never seen morale this low. She said the officers are depressed over the lack of the city government supporting them, the public turning against them, crime rising and out of control. A lot of them are just retiring earlier and some are just quitting.
This is the havoc that the Democrat Party has brought all over the country to our major cities.
And that vertically challenged, greasy qtip will be laughing her ass off when she bails in 2021. The alderfucks are too stupid to realize they’ll be stuck holding their bag and no contingency plan. The second part is that the voters will just vote in another crooked democrat and things will be the same.
I just can’t believe people are really that stupid.
Look at all the big cities that are in trouble and you’ll see that they are governed by democrats. You PO’s that voted democrat out of loyalty to the party, you deserve what you get but, not everybody who vote R doesn’t.
The tax money is still being paid by the citizens— then it is stolen by politicians and assholes.
It would appear that CPD is almost fully broken.
The revolutionaries must be proud.
Not to mention the pension problem. A financial guy I know says right now the CFD could go broke in 2 years, the CPD in 3 or 4. I would imagine that all these retirements could shorten that timeline. Wondering if someone who may know would like to weigh in?
Sounds like that commenters numbers jive with including the 1,000 short already, plus 1,000 retirements would make about the 2,023 number.
Also, that aligns with the rumored disbanding of tact teams.
That would help man the beats in the districts while short, and also basically stop most of the aggressive proactive street-level policework.
Which seems what the city wants.
They don’t want car chases, foot chases, or officer involved shootings- and majority of those things come from tact.
No matter what happens, the future doesn’t look too bright on this department.
Be safe and watch out for each other out here.
not a cop
good for all the retires!
never stay where your not wanted...
The "people/folks" have voted
and they now shall receive their "just deserts"
If the wife wants to stay...let her stay!
Teach the kids how to protect themselves before you go!
Dues have been paid...you are now the first in line!
Don't be last...
https://youtu.be/360xvnsduDg
The goal IS to have police leave.
Look at the cities run by Soros leftists (Mayors, DA's, Chiefs). They're pushing "defund the police" movements, wholesale release of violent criminals, policies that have any LE demoralized beyond belief and looking for any exit.
Both Soros and the PRC are actively trying to destroy America as we knew it. We're now in the midst of a blatant coup. BLM was started by avowed Marxists. Media and achools indoctrinate Marxist thought and push anti-American agendas. We saw it on display in the 60's, but it's been around longer. McCarthy was right.
PRC can become the defacto world leader as America fractures without firing a shot. So much cheaper to buy off or blackmail politicians and judges and have schools churning out millions of monolithic, blinded, useful idiots.
If you love your country, consider staying on, staying fetal and not following orders to arrest law-abiding citizens for whatever offenses a Biden admnistration may dream up.
This is more than fighting city hall. This is fighting for the survival of the country. Figure out where you can do the most good and make that your mission.
History may record the most massive cas of bribery abd extortion of public "servants" in history. This has been going on much longer than Trump has been in office:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EpgFAJfUYAESWEx?format=jpg&name=900x900
Add in the Soros and University mobs and the problem becomes more complex. Corrupt individuals do not care where the money comes from, or who might hold incriminating photos or videos (Epstein et al). They've sold their souls long ago. Look in any bureaucracy or corporation or political party.
The good news is tens if not hundreds of millions of Americans are waking up and rightfully livid. The unprecedented election night chicanery shocked many into reality. If you can do good by staying, do so. If not, leave. Record and report those contributing to the institutionalized rot wherever it is found. Much as this blog has done.
Generations past fought for this country for our benefit. Now it is our turn to do so for future generations.
What??? I read a piece on Channel 7's news site about Catanzara possibly loosing his job over some social media posts he made!
Anonymous said...
Is there any talk about giving medical to the people who have 29 and a day on even if they’re not 55 years old? Has anybody asked if the FOP is asking for this in the next contract?
12/18/2020 12:27:00 AM
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Right, because you cannot do it? You a truly a snowflake. You think that, just by asking for it, the city is just going to give it to you?
If it is that important to you, then start asking and calling the FOP.
Mayor BugEyes just doesn't care. She will balance her budget on the backs of the police department.
Dozens Of Fed-Pp NYPD Cops Leave For Long Island Departments
The approximately 50 now-former Finest, many of whom had less than five years on the job, have jumped ship since Friday even though it meant taking a pay cut in the short term, law enforcement sources said.
“They are going to a department where they will be better appreciated by their community, local politicians and district attorneys who still value the job they do protecting innocent people and property over criminals,” said one source, explaining the tradeoff.
https://nypost.com/2020/12/15/dozens-of-fed-up-nypd-cops-fleeing-for-long-island-departments/
I keep hearing these 40+ year olds talk about leaving after 20 years regardless of age. 20 and out appears to be new plan
To: WRONG, you must notify the city before October 1st. NOT in October. SCC Please call personnel to verify this. I hope SCC posts an update so no one gets screwed in 2020. The only exception, I think, is if you are 60 years old.
Retired!!!! And enjoying it!!!!!!!
Partially correct. You. An retire at any point UNLESS you are taking the 55 or 60 year of age medical options. FOP members have to notify their intent a year in advance as you have stated. However, PBPA members only need to notify 30 days prior and can retire anytime after May. I retired within a 10 day window. Stay healthy and keep enjoying retirement
UPDATE: The 2,023 appears to be the number of officers who could go tomorrow - as in twenty years of service (pension eligible) AND 50 years of age. We've still got people tracking down this number and trying to figure out how many people have already declared their intent to leave.
Labels: department issues
Whew, it's a good thing we have Monterrey Security protecting our metropolis from evil doers, because they don't need no stinking badges...
The city is burning and our leaders are are out to lunch. Our CPPD leaders are clueless and only want numbers to save their own behinds.
Honestly... who cares, show up on time, slowly answer your jobs, stay down on them for as long as possible and collect your check...
12/18/2020 12:16:00 AM
Look at his last name and then figure it out Sherlock
Anonymous said...
OT: Why isnt anyone taking a 2nd look at POS Sgt Khalil Muhammad #960 (Case #: 19PB2956) who was given ONLY a 6 month suspension for basically committing a drive by shooting while off duty, in his personal vehicle, where a RING camera video shows him shoot a mentally challenged young man for basically looking suspicious while walking down the street.
Not only does his statement given not reflect what is seen on RING camera footage it should of been evidence enough for not only an arrest but surely a conviction.
Why wasn’t he charged criminally? Why did he NEVER spend a day at Callback while under investigation? Was he ever even stripped?
Truly is all bout who u know not what u know! He’s a perfect example.
Hello! Anyone? (Media - Mayors Office)
12/18/2020 12:16:00 AM
Simple answer. He’s highly connected with the brass and politicians. That’s the Chicago way. It’s alive and well. Also, how come nothing ever happened to the cops in the subway shooting an unarmed fleeing subject in the back that was not a threat? The story disappeared. If two white cops did this they’d be charged with attempted murder.
The downtown detail is depleting the watches. The dissent decree useless politically correct "training" is sucking the life of the watches. Dept has to really crack down and eliminate the inside and other spots. Cut district caps by a third. Cut district tac teams by two thirds. Cut the Camp Copulation front office spots by 20 percent. SDSC STD should be one p.o only for most watches. It can also take over the district smelligence duties. All those cuts should be sent back to the street. Inspection
and or IAD could actually do some auditing to see that these mouses are on beat cars taking jobs
Cut hq 30 percent. Cut most of the other "teams/details" by 40 percent. Reduce the academy straining division by 50 percent. Six blue shirts aren't needed to indoctrinate the proletariat in a three hour re-education camp
To all Trump haters, how do you feel MSM has been doing their jobs? Honestly, grade them? Grade them on the merits of journalism? Now based off of that grade, how have you personally been affected by it? Does Trump occupy your every waking thought? Have you experienced more hate than you have ever before these past few years? Did you believe all the out of context quotes about racism?
So if you were Trump and you find out your own people are making shit up about your from day one about Russia, wouldn't you be firing people left and right? How about everything you say is made fun of, mocked, and taken out of context, wouldn't you be pissed? If people are taught to openly hate your country, kneel during the national anthem, burn the flag, disrespect the police, and burn cities, wouldn't you be pissed?
Four years of this and now the biggest disgrace of all, a rigged election. Most of us, with his kind of money, would have quit and head back to Florida and play golf. But he didn't take the easy road and he fights. Why does he fight? Because he is the President of the common man.
Voting for Democrats is voting for the rich and powerful who want to control everything about you. Why would anyone ever want this?
Democrats, quit watching MSM they are lying to you. Turn it off or regain your curiosity and find the truth. God Bless.
The goal is likely to get to a sustainable and affordable number of police personnel. That number is under 10,000 if you want the pension plan funded. My guess is there won't be much in the way of hiring until the total number drops below 10,000.
So Slo Joe said Hunter is one of the smartest men he knows? Damn, we are done. Hunter is going to be the new Drug Czar or something.
Well Hunter was smart enough to contact his lawyer and figure out how much he is worth and how much he would have because he thought he was going to jail. I take that back, Hunter is smart.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/breaking-exclusive-hunter-biden-knew-acting-criminally-asked-accountant-much-making-jail/
Anonymous said...
This is going to come to a head across the country at some point in the near future. The narrative is to hate us and to destroy us as every turn. This in turn causes applicants to not apply as they see what’s happening. Now instead of 30,000 applicants and a eligibility list of 15,000 you have 4000 applicants and they automatically put everyone who shows up for the test on the eligibility list. Maybe 2500-3000 show up. You can’t take 100% of them, but they’re taking people they shouldn’t be taking because they need bodies. Those people they shouldn’t be taking will do stupid shit because they’re assholes who should’ve never been hired and the cycle continues. So maybe you get a few hundred from the 3000 and a bunch of which are substandard. You can’t even keep up with the attrition rate. At some point something has to give. And you have to wonder, what is Chicago, and other major cities, going to do? Not enough people are applying for the job. You can’t force people to do it. You have to somehow entice people to take the job, and how can we do that? Well, the non stop visceral hatred needs to stop, but that’s absolutely not going to happen. It may simmer down for a few years but every election year they’ll rustle it back up. More money? Negative ghost riders, they don’t want to pay those of us around now. Residency? They won’t do it nor do I think that will work to attract new recruits. The answer? I honestly don’t know the answer. I don’t see how this gets better. Do departments just dwindle and private security is hired in massive numbers? Doesn’t really fix anything. I’m smart, but I’m not this smart. Maybe something unforeseen happens, I won’t hold my breath. Stay safe boys and girls, us and our families are the only ones who give a shit about us.
12/18/2020 01:27:00 AM
I agree but I believe the numbers taking the test are even lower and I’m hearing when offered the job people are no shows. Remember, the last test was before Lightfoot took over and the hate police move wasn’t like it is now. I do believe lateral transfers would help but you can’t have forced residency to do it. In fact lifting residency would probably attract suburban kids.
If Lightfoot wants a “better” younger police department the easiest way to do this is the following...
1.Drop the 55yr health insurance to 50 or 52. Lots of Cops with 20 years will go. Guaranteed!
2.Offer a buyout on the pension or a buy in to leave. Like the county guys got.
3.Increase starting pay. Compete with suburbs for pay. Be higher.
4.Lift residency and offer laterals and Chicago will get much larger numbers to apply.
5.Fix the pension fund. It’s not helping recruiting.
6.Tone down the rhetoric and give the police a contract. Other departments don’t have this issue.
Do these things and she will get the fresh young department she wants.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
And that vertically challenged, greasy qtip will be laughing her ass off when she bails in 2021. The alderfucks are too stupid to realize they’ll be stuck holding their bag and no contingency plan. The second part is that the voters will just vote in another crooked democrat and things will be the same.
I just can’t believe people are really that stupid.
Look at all the big cities that are in trouble and you’ll see that they are governed by democrats. You PO’s that voted democrat out of loyalty to the party, you deserve what you get but, not everybody who vote R doesn’t.
12/18/2020 02:34:00 AM
Unfortunately her re-election isn’t until 2023. How scary is that considering the damage she’s done to Chicago in less than 1.5 years?
Ask Crimesha Foxx, she seems to have a plan. How about Ms. Prickwrinkle, does she enjoy having so many of her taxpayers leave, just to make Mr. Groot look bad? Everyone that has a part of the problem should have a share in the repair, if it’s even possible! It is said that it will get worse before anything can get better. I know it could get worse but I doubt if it will ever get better.....
That could explain the taser recertification training I'm going to
Fear not! Only 26 officers have applied for a pension, January, 2021.
Don't even bother looking at what holidays you are rdo when you get the new fop handbook for next year, you will most likely be working them. The violence will continue unabated because of krazy kimmy and her flawed policies. When I took the entrance exam in the 80's all kinds of guys would kill to get on this job. It still is a good job with good benefits, there was always a lot of bullshit to wade thru even when I came on 30 years ago. This is not a job for everyone and some people find that out the hard way. If you are thinking about making a change look real good at what you are getting into, these suburban departments operate a lot differently than we do.
Anonymous said...
WRONG, you must notify the city before October 1st. NOT in October. SCC Please call personnel to verify this. I hope SCC posts an update so no one gets screwed in 2020. The only exception, I think, is if you are 60 years old.
Retired!!!! And enjoying it!!!!!!!
12/18/2020 12:38:00 AM
Look who woke up ! This is December
Retired police from a Midwestern city here. I'm one of the lucky ones who punched out on my terms in 2019 before any of the nationwide silliness of this year hit.
My message to those 2,023 of your brothers and sisters who are pension- eligible right now is to get out. Now. Today.
Yeah, the economy is a mess, but you can find something. This is my advice to every cop in America who's able to retire and who doesn't work in a real life Mayberry where the police are still respected, but it goes double for you guys and gals working in our major urban hellholes. From what I can tell from being a longtime reader of this blog, Chicago is probably the worst of the worst right now.
Frankly, if you've got the time (or a potential disability) that would get you a pension, and you're still working after everything that's gone down in LE this past year, you're already on borrowed time. If you could have bailed already and you end up in some jackpot tomorrow, you'll deserve it. You are all one bad call away from being world- famous. Even if you're an administrator or some other type of housemouse, well, you're still going to lunch, aren't you? You're still driving back and forth, going in and out of police buildings. It can totally still happen to you.
You may love The Job, but The Job don't love you. Get out if you're eligible because it isn't going to get better any time soon.
Thanks to the democrats commiting perjury and treason by the thousands. I would also like to thank the crooked hospital administrations scamming the corona numbers for money. No worries the U.S. is a republic eith a Constitution. Prepare for martial law to fill in those vacancies on the west and south sides. Just informing those that watch CNN and drink Kool-Aid. Shit is about to get real! FoReAL mmmmmhhhmmm.
This is the Democrats game plan. The Democrats want the cities to burn so that Who ever is in the White House can declare Marshall Law, bring in Federal Troops, and more importantly take away our guns. If anyone things I am drinking the cool aide than I want to ask you why do you think George Soros is funding many "LETS NOT CHARGE PEOPLE WITH CRIMES" for the position of District Attorney and/or States Attorney through out this country? Look at the person who just taken over the LA District Attorney Office? What is going on with these non charging D/A's and S/A's is the reverse of the Broken Window Police Policies of the 90's. If you want further proof just go back and listen to Kamala Harris on her position of various issues, especially Black Lives Matter movement. My personal opinion is this nation is headed for a civil war and here is where the Democrats can force their agenda. It is going to get ugly.
I just watched an interview with John Cantazara. I’m proud to have you represent me John, no one else has the balls to tell it like it is and now they’re trying to fire you for it. Keep your head up John, we’re behind you!
If people want to know how many have retired, and how many simply resigned, FOIA seems to be the ticket. All of that is public record, although they may not give up specific names without a fight.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT: Why isnt anyone taking a 2nd look at POS Sgt Khalil Muhammad #960 (Case #: 19PB2956) who was given ONLY a 6 month suspension for basically committing a drive by shooting while off duty, in his personal vehicle, where a RING camera video shows him shoot a mentally challenged young man for basically looking suspicious while walking down the street...
For the same reason the two goofs who shot the guy in the Grand Ave subway are still getting paid. Crimesha ain't so tough now, is she?
Not to mention the pension problem. A financial guy I know says right now the CFD could go broke in 2 years, the CPD in 3 or 4. I would imagine that all these retirements could shorten that timeline. Wondering if someone who may know would like to weigh in?
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He is full of it. There is money in the police pension fund for almost 10 years. Those who retire now and die within ten years will likely get their full pension.
Not to mention the pension problem. A financial guy I know says right now the CFD could go broke in 2 years, the CPD in 3 or 4. I would imagine that all these retirements could shorten that timeline. Wondering if someone who may know would like to weigh in?
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Biden will fix the problem by merging the police pension plan with social security so CPD retirees will get SS instead of a pension, and Medicare.
I’ve been an FTO for over 15 years. My last 5 recruits all quit before they hit 2 years. They realize this isn’t a video game and just quit. We are in big trouble.
OT. Lightfoot recommends a large donor' company for a 1.5 million dollar no bid contract to CPS to clean and sanitize schools. Schools CEO Janice Jackson awards the no bid contract and shortly thereafter is given a 40K raise yet CPD is still waiting for a contract. Then they raise our taxes and tell us we need to share the pain. So now Jackson makes 300K a year to manage a failed school system with a declining enrollment. These politicians don't even try to hide their corruption anymore.
1991-95 we're years of mass hiring and all those guys and gals are going to be leaving creating significant shortage of officers if city does not keep up with hiring. I believe each of those years 1,000 officers were hired.
Plan on all RDO’s cancelled for SUMMER 2021.... with these shortages, that is the only way.
Do Not make any plans Memorial Day to Labor Day!
People are just disgusted and leaving and could care less about the insurance. The recruits come on with their head buried in their phones and then have been quitting when they get saddled with something challenging. My unit is losing 12 people within next few days and no one coming to replace them. Old partner works at Jive-ory Tower and confirmed they are overwhelmed with both the planned and unplanned amounts of people leaving. The most hush hush secret is that by 2022 the projections are a 4,500 man department. LL is going to run on being the Mayor who both defunded the police and didn’t defund the police. Very dangerous days ahead, get out if you can.
Why does anyone stay on past 29 and a day?? After that, your actually loosing money! Get smart people....leave!
Lightfoot has a hard on reading these comments. I heard Lake County Sheriff’s office recently received 450 applications from CPD for a few openings they have.
It’s funny, as I read thru these comments I have to chuckle. You guys and gals think anybody, ANYBODY, gives a shit about your manpower problems? It doesn’t matter to the mayor, alderman or committee men, it doesn’t matter to anyone in power. They have their own security or guns. You are just a pain in their asses taking money they could have for themselves or use for their ‘special’ programs. For years they refused to make their judicially required pension payments kicking that can further into the future. You think that bothered them. Here you are today on the brink of losing you promised retirement. Think about what you will do as a 70 year old with no pension, no skills, no social security, no financial future. If you’re young enough now to find another future, do it. If you’re too old to change jobs put every dime into a retirement account and start thinking about your financial future without a pension. If you think your pension is enshrined in state law or the state constitution, well, you are delusional. When you walk out the door to the parking lot to get into your squad, remember, nobody except your family, and they wish you had another job, cares about you. For the first time in your life think about yourself and your family. Start planning today for your tomorrow. Good luck my brothers and sisters. Oh, by the way, how’s that new contract? Yeah, that’s right, you STILL are working without a contract. How many years has it been that your caring employers have pushed that can down the road?
Do yourself a favor and get a job in the private sector for Better pay and not forced to live in the city. Plus if you are a good worker, your boss may actually appreciate you. CPD is in a downward spiral. No raise or contract for over 3 years = joke, command staff = joke, training = joke, equipment= joke, police facilities = deplorable, consent decree = joke, public sentiment = negative, support from the courts = none, etc.
The CPD will look like the US Postal Service in the next 5 years. Mismanagement of district personnel, no true crime-fighting strategy, low morale, broken down police vehicles and a large number of retirements replaced by a small amount of ghetto and hipster recruits. They're giving away the entire circus to a bunch of clowns. Get out while you can.
There could be 2,000 eligible on the roster that could leave just based on minimums in age and service time. Hiring spikes here and there over the past 2-3 decades always have big blocks of retirees coming of age - that nothing new and is always factored into city bean counter projections. The Clinton Crime Bill of 1994 subsidized hires and any 3 yrs prior, not sure how many in CPD put on in 94,95,96 but many could be coming up close to the 55/29+1.
As much as Larri couldn’t stand Rahm, she’s certainly taken her place in the lying bullshitters line...
In light of Larri’s current lying and coverup scandal regarding her effort to suppress the free press and withhold information, Larri will be on another rampage to vilify the police just to distract from her corrupt ways.
The soft defunding wasn’t enough and just doesn’t have that impact Larri needs right now. Sure, the Contract and its stalling is still on the back burner, but the theatrics are being crafted and they’re waiting for the opportune time before they’ll use it as a Hard De-Funding stunt, just improve the image of The Face of the City™️, not to mention she’s on board for another BIG a push for drastic disciplinary actions by getting Springfield or going along with JB/Kwammie with licensing- if it’s beneficial to the State elected, not just Larri LightFührer.
Larri is going to decimate as much as CPD as she can on her way out’ - which may be sooner than later (for family reasons).
22 years ago I had my choice of cook county Sheriff police or Chicago police..... my choice ccsp. Driving around in Lemont and orland having coffee with beautiful people.
I don't live in Chicago anymore. it's not because of you guys/girls. i just didn't feel safe anymore. the softening of penalties for criminals worries me. too many stories of folks doing bad things and the next week their out of jail and do it again. its sad for me because i really liked living in the city. RIP Chicago.
We will be down to below 7,000 in 3 years, 2 tests in 2019 totalling 1600 people, we have already exhausted that list of mutants which is why there havent been any new classes. This combined with the anti police rhetoric, and her unwillingness to agree on a contract makes me certian this is a more long term defund the police play. In about 5 years when shit is upside down, they will be forced to decide do we pay these guys 150k-175k base salary just to attract people to take the job, or do they let this thing just fall apart?
Can’t echo these sentiments more. I am retiring spring of next year. Downtown will look like New York in that movie escape from New York. I observed mentally ill, homeless and the usual thugs down there all summer. It will be magnified even more next year, and there won’t be a damn thing done about it. Like mentioned before , Gibson’s will become a maxwell street polish, and dollar stores will be on mag mile. For you old timers, wouldn’t it be nice to see fat Johnny’s on mag mile? That’s the way this city is going. If your young, get another career far away from here. It’s a shame and breaks my heart to see city destroyed, but that’s what these politicians are good at. Good luck
Not to mention the pension problem. A financial guy I know says right now the CFD could go broke in 2 years, the CPD in 3 or 4. I would imagine that all these retirements could shorten that timeline. Wondering if someone who may know would like to weigh in?
No social security hope you maxed out deferred comp and Roth IRA?
I hear 2 year wonders talking about retiring from this shithole. So yes I can see 20 yotj pulling the plug even without the medical.
best guess is the department gets reduced in size by attrition so the money not paid in salaries can be used to prop up the pension plan. there is no place else for the city to get that kind of money.
That may be true, but for some reason I still know guys who have the time and the age who just always seem to find a reason to stay.
You know, that guy who’s 59 with 29 years on- but yet still continues working CHA and CTA every day off.
I wish some of my brothers and sisters would figure out how to let go of this job and enjoy their lives.
Invariably those are the same people who retire and drop dead within 6 months because the job is all they have in their lives.
Get a hobby, get busy enjoying life outside this department, and get busy retiring as soon as you can!
To the people constantly asking about waiving the 55 year old age requirement if you have 29 years, or the people saying we should drop the medical retirement age to 53 or 50- you really don’t understand how a pension system works, do you?
If they simultaneously decrees the number of people paying in, while increasing the amount of people collecting, that would greatly accelerate the collapse of what is already a dwindling pension.
You know that pension crisis everyone keeps talking about? It’s a real thing.
And they are trying to find ways to fix it- not drain it faster.
Sorry to tell you, but you’re stuck here dependent on the city unless you did some work and lined up health care.
ssc not everybody has clout or wack and leave for another job
is matt cline retiring
I honestly don’t know where the city is getting funding to pay our salaries right now. IMO the pension will bust in 1-2 years. Anyone care to address this ?
This botched search warrant is top story NATIONWIDE! If you were there that night or "here's my star put me on the paper" get ready to pay up.
Ignore the aggregate number CPD Personnel, and focus on the Allocation of Personnel. By this time next year ( 1 December 2021) what PERCENTAGE of Total Strength will be in Patrol; what PERCENTAGE will be Detective. ( These are the most important LE Functions and the only two areas that I have any experience in.) Contrarily, what PERCENTAGE will be desk- bound House Mouse administrative dead weight?
With reductions in manpower,it behooves CPD to get the maximum use out of each and every PO on a daily basis AND to get a higher percentage of PO on the street, either in Patrol or Detective
If I could I would leave tomorrow. But within five years this definitely will happen. It will mean retooling for another job going back to school but it will happen. I’m not counting on this pension and I work for a company with a better health care plan. When I find that I am gone.
A Quote from my Army days that the Personnel Officer (Adjutant or S1) had framed behind his desk, attributed to Machiavelli in The Prince: A small force,consisting of chosen Troops, is far better than a large Army composed chiefly of the rabble. For when the bad give way, the good will inevitably be lost in consequence.
Be the Change— to a smaller,better trained,better led ELITE LE and Public Safety Force!
U.S. Politicians have no need for police-types. When U.S. cities become like Baghdad, US Politicians will just travel in three-vehicle, armored convoys with Blackwater thugs gunning down innocent civilians for "being in the way" of them getting their principal to his/her "super-duper important" meeting.
It is good to be the king.
Well, I don't pretend to know the numbers, but add 1 to the retirements for 2021. I'm gone...Except for the last few years, it was fun.....
All I can say is, If you are 55+ and have atleast 20 yrs then you should have notified the city you are retiring, and you should be doing just that!!!
Why are there so many officers on this job that are 55+ with 30 or more years under their belt?
There is life after the police force. What are you waiting for to retire? Stop chasing the money before its to late.
If you are reading this I am talking about you!
Worry about yourself and not anybody else. Every officer is in a different situation and can make up their own mind. They don’t need your lecture
Sshhh it’s actually more, closer to 2100. City Hall is suppressing the fact that the bulk of the most senior manpower from slower districts are leaving all at once with no plan to replace them. All young assets are to be allocated to the statistically most violent districts with not much chance of leaving. If you work in 022,016,017,019,018 or 001 expect things to get worse and if you are trapped in ghetto you could be there for rest of your career. Leave now if you are young and lateral someplace.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
This was just a rumor from some guy who was running numbers. The number 2023 is the amount of people in the department who are over the age of 50. Many of these people.. if not 90 percent still have 2-3 years until they are 55 or longer until they get to 29 and a day. So what they really were saying, is in theory 2023 COULD retire now. This rumor got legs a few weeks ago. Untrue, we are not losing that amount.
Finally someone with some common sense. It’s no secret with how many are retiring. Do they think you just retire in a day. The request has to be submitted in advance so that the city and pension board can do their paperwork so you can get your pension check in a timely manner
Most the people retiring this year have done so by November 15 so they can receive their COLA 3 % raise next December 16, followed by another 3% COLA raise on December 1 their next check
SOMETIMES A CRISIS cant be wasted
All employers try and cut spots for cost saving. At a certain point major things start going wrong.
1)officer use city to become certified and leave to quiet suburb
2)medical abuse increases (people start getting orperations and stay on medical longer
3)domestic go up for officer family (IE special ED)
4)vehicle accidents increase
5)officer obtain more complaints leading to more lawsuits.
6)experienced officers retire earlier
7) exempts with little actual leadership experience end up being promoted.
ON the good side
CITY has to increase the pay scale to keep officers from going to BURBs
City has to offer some kind of incentive to keep old officers MORE RAISES after 20 years
City may have to drop early retirement at 63
City may have consider residency
City may have to offer lateral transfer into CHICAGO.
Good luck LORI...
In other news, can you see Rahm as an ambassador? Imagine what he would do in that job. Some crooks always land on their feet. Perhaps if he had worn a dress and came out as a trans he could have gotten the transportation job from Buttplug. It's all about diversity. Buttplug couldn't run South Bend but what does that matter.
From Politico, The president of Chicago’s Unite Here Local 1 union representing hospitality workers told The Chicago Tribune she thought Emanuel would be a great Transportation secretary. Really?? And when Biden picked Buttigieg, swing vote Sen. SUSAN COLLINS (R-Maine) seemed devastated by what could have been. “I think Rahm Emanuel would have been a strong choice,” she said. What the hell is wrong with Collins? Another swamp dwelling republican that needs to be replaced.
Officials familiar with the transition said that even though Emanuel won’t be in the Cabinet, he still may end up in the administration. In very early conversations, an ambassadorship has been discussed, but that would also require Senate confirmation. Emanuel declined to comment.
Perv Biden is doing some great picking. It couldn't much worse.
Why is Sophia King getting a pass here. She is the cop hating, Preckwinkle and Kim ass kisser, chair of the progressive caucus is responsible in big part for defunding the police. She has watched the entire south loop, mag mile and downtown go immediately downhill this summer by kissing ass to the animals who are terrorizing this community. She calls Jamal green a fine young man who cares about his community. It’s really sickening she gets a pass as does jake Alderden the failed commander of the first district who let the wildings happen and Jamal green to block traffic for 4 hours with no arrests. Sophia king is behind this nonsense.
I’m all for more taxes of any big corporation that supported any BLM bullshit or all the Democratic lockdowns. As for passing it on to the consumer, well, maybe the consumer should be a little smarter about who they do business with and who they support. It’s a chain. Give the business & consumer what they asked for. Honestly, if you’re a small business and you hung any BLM sign or you went the Bye-Don route in your window because you bought into the lie- good riddance. I know plenty were out there and I saved myself a whole lot of money not frequenting them. Everyone here likes to get on Starbucks (no I’m not a fan but they at least didn’t allow BLM signs in their windows or for staff to wear BLM items). On the other hand, I can’t tell you how many small independent businesses had BLM signs or LL meme supporting her lockdowns in the window, etc. I knew of a few restaurants around Loyola that had big “Thank You Gov. Pritzker” signs on the sidewalk (and they weren’t being ironic)...all because it was easier to hate the Orange Man. Reap what you sow. The only businesses I feel sorry for are the ones that were innocent of spreading any of the propaganda or employees who worked for them who didn’t agree.
I am leaving at 13 years and jumping on wife’s insurance. After last summer no amount of money could have made me stay. I have a CDL and sold my house, I don’t want any part of this city it’s rotten to the core. I’m a 4th generation officer and hopefully the last in my family.
As of Jan 17th my district is in major trouble. We are getting no help and already down to only 1 man cars. We are losing some seriously good policeman who still are workers and the crazy thing is we have 5 people with under 10 years just leaving because they have had it. 14 people all at once is devastating. I’d hate to be someone who needs the police and someone from our roll call shows up all we have left will be the goofs nobody wants to work with.
And we lost Seiser, sad. Good bye Spidey we love you and will miss you!!!!!
No thanks we will wait let the guinea pigs go first the Chicago public school teachers want it first they are stupid union leader the multi millionaire a rich kid Jessie wants them to have it first let them have it let’s see how it goes if they do good maybe will get it let’s give it a year and if not we can hire new people;
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I understand that many of you may be multi generation law enforcement & that Chicago has been home to your family for as many generations,but it's time to face the facts.
The majority of that City no longer has any love for you and it's time to save yourselves. Why stick your necks out for a majority of folks who would just as likely shoot at you as they would look at you? You can't save the businesses because your useless elected leaders are too busy protecting the criminals destroying these businesses every month. You are only going to be more closely scrutinized in the days to come, persecuted if you make the wrong move, & yet be even more overworked and underpaid.
It's time to let Chicago self implode and only then maybe will the residents grow a brain and figure out that the CPD was never the problem. It was the same useless politicians they kept voting in time after time based only on the color of their skin, how they could help the thugs, & all the free crap they promised to the hood rats.
Until you get some fresh, new, leadership from the top down, your job will continue to be hell.
Anyway———
Can I get my 30 minutes squad!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
This botched search warrant is top story NATIONWIDE! If you were there that night or "here's my star put me on the paper" get ready to pay up
This is the exact reason why they need to stop assigning a random beat car from the district to assist on the search warrants. I’m not going on someone else’s warrant and just hoping it goes good when I don’t even know any of the coppers, nope.
this is not your grandpas pie plate police dept, see ""hey you lil shits get off the corner"" aint gonna come back,,gone for good never to return bye bye,, left 20 years ago come Jan, 6th and don't miss it a bit, yes miss the laughs we had sgt, and the guys shooting off bottle rockets at passing buses out of floor covering containers ala bazookas,, hiding under a viaduct when drunks came staggering through and get on loud speaker in vehicle and announce that you were God Almighty and stop your drinking cause we are not pleased,the classic was in Oak Woods Cemetery that a wagon guy had the key to the front gate and rigged up a skeltal figure and covered it with a sheet and when loud sisters walked by on 67th street had it lean over the wall and say loudly ""we are lonely come join us"" can still hear the screams, that was a great innocent laughs wouldnt try it now tho,as far as insurance is concerned we dropped ours after the wife passed and went into the VA program as a veteran and can't say we haven't been better treated ,diabetis catoratics surgery eye glasses cheap meds sent out each month,,,if your a Vet look into it and also free hearing aid,,,,stay safe and don't be a hard charger you won't be backed,,
Can you imagine what they'll do to backfill those numbers?
Pick the most crazy idea you can imagine, then double up on it.
You think they'll randomly drive down streets and just appoint people?
We're not far from that now.
A heads up to people retiring, as a Sgt nothing makes me sicker than giving guys retiring in less than a month a day or 3 but have had multiple Old Timers written up for pimpy things. Is there a bounty or something I had 4 in one day?
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"That may be true, but for some reason I still know guys who have the time and the age who just always seem to find a reason to stay.
You know, that guy who’s 59 with 29 years on- but yet still continues working CHA and CTA every day off.
I wish some of my brothers and sisters would figure out how to let go of this job and enjoy their lives. "
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No !!!!!!!!!!
These guys want to stay???
YES!!! Good for you. Please stay!
Go ahead be a "pension hero"!
I left in July as soon as I turned 55.
Thanks for paying my pension.
Read J-Cats article in the December FOP magazine.
He is trying to raise the mandatory retirement age from 63 to 67.
2:06pm, you took the words right out of my mind!!! Totally agree with you!!!
Why does anyone stay on past 29 and a day?? After that, your actually loosing money! Get smart people....leave!
Why? Because I was only 51 with 29 years on....need to be 55 for health care at 2% ......no other reason.....am I smart enough now?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Why does anyone stay on past 29 and a day?? After that, your actually loosing money! Get smart people....leave!
12/18/2020 09:47:00 AM
Because 100k is more then 75k even after you account for pension contributions and taxes.
Dave Savini is a C-BS investigative reporter and chief "Putz" for the fake news readers. He's also their very own drunkard and DWI offender. He's making us all "Chicago Proud".
If you can demoralize and force officers to retire or leave the job then it becomes a lot easier for the Communists to institute one uniform police force across the country. And make no mistake, Lightfoot is a devout Communist.
If the officers retiring and leaving the job aren’t replaced, then defunding the police becomes easier also. An intended outcome of all this is to bankrupt the pension fund. But not to worry, you’ll be given a Universal Income by your fellow Comrades!
Anonymous said...
Why does anyone stay on past 29 and a day?? After that, your actually loosing money! Get smart people....leave!
12/18/2020 09:47:00 AM
Some of us have over 29 and a day but are not yet 55 for the health insurance deal. Im staying till 55 because of that. They city will pay, oh yes it will pay.
Max out your deferred comp. Guys say they can’t afford to do that. The fact is, you can’t afford not to do that. Invest in yourself and your future. If there is absolutely no way you can max out, then put in double what you think you can. Do it now! Tax savings today because your whole deferral is put into differed comp BEFORE it’s taxed by the government. Don’t wait. Do it now.
They are between 7-10 officers with less than 20 years who resign every month for a multitude of reasons. So every new class of 40 PPO's there is up to a 25% attrition rate. I like the idea of lateral transfers the FOP mentioned, make it 2-years probation, and develop an extensive FTO cycle for these transfers. There is plenty of talent that would move transfer in, we have a pretty good overall salary and benefits package at the end of the day.
1)officer use city to become certified and leave to quiet suburb
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Not a whole lot of places want ex-Chicago cops due to the bad rep of the department.
3 guys I work with have 30+ years and are retiring and just found out they are all taking a day for being on the medical and not attending classes at Olive Harvey. They can’t retire until the debt is fulfilled, that is shameful on the the part of the city.
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Anonymous Anonymous said...
I am leaving at 13 years and jumping on wife’s insurance. After last summer no amount of money could have made me stay. I have a CDL and sold my house, I don’t want any part of this city it’s rotten to the core. I’m a 4th generation officer and hopefully the last in my family.
12/18/2020 02:08:00 PM”
Congratulations and fare thee well, brother! Pray for those who cannot get out although they desperately want to.
“Anonymous said...
It’s funny, as I read thru these comments I have to chuckle. You guys and gals think anybody, ANYBODY, gives a shit about your manpower problems? It doesn’t matter to the mayor, alderman or committee men, it doesn’t matter to anyone in power. They have their own security or guns. You are just a pain in their asses taking money they could have for themselves or use for their ‘special’ programs. For years they refused to make their judicially required pension payments kicking that can further into the future. You think that bothered them. Here you are today on the brink of losing you promised retirement. Think about what you will do as a 70 year old with no pension, no skills, no social security, no financial future. If you’re young enough now to find another future, do it. If you’re too old to change jobs put every dime into a retirement account and start thinking about your financial future without a pension. If you think your pension is enshrined in state law or the state constitution, well, you are delusional. When you walk out the door to the parking lot to get into your squad, remember, nobody except your family, and they wish you had another job, cares about you. For the first time in your life think about yourself and your family. Start planning today for your tomorrow. Good luck my brothers and sisters. Oh, by the way, how’s that new contract? Yeah, that’s right, you STILL are working without a contract. How many years has it been that your caring employers have pushed that can down the road?
12/18/2020 10:00:00 AM”
Couple things here shill. The pension is protected and enshrined in Illinois State Law. Also, if I’m 70 and lose my lawfully protected pension than guess what pal, I ain’t got a good goddamn thing to lose. Think on that pal. You think I’m the only one who thinks that? Tree of Liberty and all.
2023 is exactly the number, and unfortunately starting in 2021 we have already had close to a 1,000 inquiries of officers fed up. Expect a force of 4-5,000 people by end of 2021. When a recruit class is 26 you have hit an iceberg in attrition.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Is there any talk about giving medical to the people who have 29 and a day on even if they’re not 55 years old? Has anybody asked if the FOP is asking for this in the next contract?
12/18/2020 12:27:00 AM
Get you ass out of the tanning bed, go to the next meeting, go to the microphone, and ask the question yourself. Or better yet ask your unit rep who is getting free dues and is supposed togo to all the meetings.
It's real easy to "defund the police" when there isn't one...
Anonymous said...
ON the good side
CITY has to increase the pay scale to keep officers from going to BURBs
City has to offer some kind of incentive to keep old officers MORE RAISES after 20 years
City may have to drop early retirement at 63
City may have consider residency
City may have to offer lateral transfer into CHICAGO.
12/18/2020 01:17:00 PM
Who the hell would want to lateral transfer INTO Chicago? They'd have to be out of their tiny mind to do that.
More money? Can't see that happening either. Cop haters don't care unless they become the victims. Larry has his detail and is safe and warm. Drop residency? More incentive for folks to move to the burbs and take their hefty tax bills with them. Hell might as well work in the burbs too if residency ever leaves.
Can't see any positives on the good side. Well except the self cleaning oven might shift into turbo mode.
I agree but I believe the numbers taking the test are even lower and I’m hearing when offered the job people are no shows. Remember, the last test was before Lightfoot took over and the hate police move wasn’t like it is now. I do believe lateral transfers would help but you can’t have forced residency to do it. In fact lifting residency would probably attract suburban kids.
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Why would suburban kids want to leave their area for this shithole department when they can be having a legit police career with more money and benefits in a suburb? There’s a reason all these young guys are lateraling out to go back to the suburbs..
I hope the FOP president cited this in his don't make statements in uniform trial
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That could explain the taser recertification training I'm going to
12/18/2020 08:35:00 AM
You mean the e-learning that everyone has to do before the yearly qualification that everyone has to do? Or you have some special training that no one else has or knows about? What are you saying explains this? Not sure what conspiracy you're looking for here. You seem really confused.
Many places are defying "orders" and I applaud them. We are adults, we raise families, pay taxes, we know how to live responsibly.
It has come to this, when you patronize a small business or establishment, ask them if they agree with prickster's "orders".
Their answer should make up your mind where you choose to spend your hard earned money.
Back in the day there were thousands and I mean thousands of applicants taking the Chicago Police tests. The Chicago Police entrance exam only came around once in awhile. Now they give the Chicago Police entrance exam a FEW times a year. The consensus from younger generation is they do not want to live in the city of Chicago. They would rather go work out in the suburbs where they can live wherever they want. Chicago taxes are one of the highest if not the highest around so most of your paycheck literally goes to just cost of living in Chicago.
Most people are against the police thanks to the media and the politicians in Chicago. Chicago politics is one of the most corrupt around and yes you can look that up. The mayor is fake. It’s ironic that the same people that she is against, and talks so horribly about: she is actually just like them please just listen to her talk when she looses her cool.
If I was a betting person I would say more people will be leaving/retiring than applications coming in. You want to make this job more desirable to possible candidates lift residency.
I think that medical at 29 and a day is realistic. If you got on the job at an early age you shouldn’t be penalized. Think about it this way. If you got on at 21 you’ll have to do 34 years for the medical. How’s that fair????
020 07:15:00 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
They are between 7-10 officers with less than 20 years who resign every month for a multitude of reasons. So every new class of 40 PPO's there is up to a 25% attrition rate. I like the idea of lateral transfers the FOP mentioned, make it 2-years probation, and develop an extensive FTO cycle for these transfers. There is plenty of talent that would move transfer in, we have a pretty good overall salary and benefits package at the end of the day.
Who the F*** are you Kidding. Keep drinking the koolaid and while you’re at it go get me an arrest. And don’t worry about that complaint I got your back.....
"Be the Change— to a smaller, better trained, better-led ELITE LE and Public Safety Force!"
You aren't from around here, are ya?
"Be the change"? Is that you Barrack? He changed alright.....his address.
Anonymous said...
Max out your deferred comp. Guys say they can’t afford to do that. The fact is, you can’t afford not to do that. Invest in yourself and your future. If there is absolutely no way you can max out, then put in double what you think you can. Do it now! Tax savings today because your whole deferral is put into differed comp BEFORE it’s taxed by the government. Don’t wait. Do it now.
12/18/2020 07:15:00 PM
This is the best advice I've ever seen on this blog!!!!
It is very possible for every copper to retire a millionaire!!
If you have to work overtime and/or VRI to make up for the money you pour into the Deferred, it will be the best financial decision you have ever made.
I put half of every raise I ever got into the deferred and it has paid off in a very big way. If you put the money in at the same time you get your raise, you never miss the money you never actually had!
Pour money into the deferred and then get out of this fucking job as soon as you can!
Remember, it costs $75 for every $100 you put into the deferred.
I knew a copper who never put a cent into the deferred because he claimed he would never see any of it....He was right since he died before he retired....HOWEVER, he left a family behind who could've used it. Each to their own I suppose.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
2023 is exactly the number, and unfortunately starting in 2021 we have already had close to a 1,000 inquiries of officers fed up. Expect a force of 4-5,000 people by end of 2021. When a recruit class is 26 you have hit an iceberg in attrition.
12/18/2020 08:25:00 PM
You aren’t serious and can’t believe this
Last person employed by the dept please turn the lights off on the way out
Bruns make more money. Burbs have a better pension since rheir 3% is compounding. Burbs officers can live anywhere. Should I go on?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
They are between 7-10 officers with less than 20 years who resign every month for a multitude of reasons. So every new class of 40 PPO's there is up to a 25% attrition rate. I like the idea of lateral transfers the FOP mentioned, make it 2-years probation, and develop an extensive FTO cycle for these transfers. There is plenty of talent that would move transfer in, we have a pretty good overall salary and benefits package at the end of the day.
12/18/2020 07:18:00 PM
Sounds great but impossible with forced residency. No other departments have forced residency. None! When I encounter cops in other cities they are shocked that there’s still a such thing as forced residency. It’s an absolute killer for recruiting.
Anonymous said...
I just watched an interview with John Cantazara. I’m proud to have you represent me John, no one else has the balls to tell it like it is and now they’re trying to fire you for it. Keep your head up John, we’re behind you!
12/18/2020 09:04:00 AM
Ok, I voted for him too but I have to now ask “what has he done that’s positive for us?” It’s been 9 months and he’s done nothing for us. Although I agree with him but His love for Trump and hate for Lightfoot does nothing for us. His mouth is actually hurting us. Many were star struck by him but fighting with the mayor gets us nothing. He said pension and residency were his top priorities. Well, has he done anything about it? No. Has anything happened on the contract? Still no. Filed for arbitration? No. Many are losing faith in him.
Its time for the FOP to wrestle away healthcare from the City. FOP should get quotes and get a plan that we pay into and starts our coverage at age 50. City is hanging on to healthcare to entrap you till age 55 so they don't have to hire. 2 percent now, and who knows what it will be 5 or 10 yrs down the road. Force the City to direct healthcare money into a pension on the brink of disaster. Nobody in other major Cities like New York stay past their 20 years unless they are promoted. Restore the age of 50 to collect for these young bucks on the job now. Explain why some can do 20yrs and have a healthcare option while others have to do 32yrs for the same benefit. Its time to put service time ahead of birthdates. Now granted, all these things should have been getting done 25yrs ago. Maybe the window of opportunity closed on that. Nolan, Donahue and others spent the time planning Corned Beef dinners and Golf outings instead. 9/11 was a good time to get it done and they did nothing. Are you listening FOP? If Catanzara wants to be the William Wallace of the FOP, this is how it gets done. Signed...KG.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
ON the good side
CITY has to increase the pay scale to keep officers from going to BURBs
City has to offer some kind of incentive to keep old officers MORE RAISES after 20 years
City may have to drop early retirement at 63
City may have consider residency
City may have to offer lateral transfer into CHICAGO.
12/18/2020 01:17:00 PM
Who the hell would want to lateral transfer INTO Chicago? They'd have to be out of their tiny mind to do that.
More money? Can't see that happening either. Cop haters don't care unless they become the victims. Larry has his detail and is safe and warm. Drop residency? More incentive for folks to move to the burbs and take their hefty tax bills with them. Hell might as well work in the burbs too if residency ever leaves.
Can't see any positives on the good side. Well except the self cleaning oven might shift into turbo mode.
12/18/2020 09:07:00 PM
**Alot of the suburbs pay better than we do...
I can retire but cant sell my house!
3 guys I work with have 30+ years and are retiring and just found out they are all taking a day for being on the medical and not attending classes at Olive Harvey. They can’t retire until the debt is fulfilled, that is shameful on the the part of the city.
12/18/2020 07:23:00 PM
Probably long term medical abusers. They can't retire until the debt is fulfilled? Give up 8.5 hours and retire. This isn't rocket science, you crybaby. Chances are they were told several times what needed to be done before any disciplinary action was taken. They decided they were salty vets with nothing to lose. The department called their bluff. Why are you on here crying for them?
"Couple things here shill. The pension is protected and enshrined in Illinois State Law. Also, if I’m 70 and lose my lawfully protected pension than guess what pal, I ain’t got a good goddamn thing to lose. Think on that pal. You think I’m the only one who thinks that? Tree of Liberty and all.
12/18/2020 07:43:00 PM"
He he he. Bingo
lateral transfers the FOP mentioned, make it 2-years probation, and develop an extensive FTO cycle for these transfers.
Your an idiot. Why would anyone transfer to Chicago from the burbs. And two years of probation? Sure real attractive
I left Chicago for the burbs a few years ago best decision. I'm also finishing a masters program to leave this career altogether.
Like John Wayne said "mistakes happen, but they happen a lot more when you're dumb."
You may also wish to consider social security options. Every year of "substantial" earnings between 20 and 30 years will reduce the effect of the Windfall Elimination Provision. At 30 years you will receive same social security as everyone else. Details on SS website. It's doable if you plan ahead.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Do yourself a favor and get a job in the private sector for Better pay and not forced to live in the city. Plus if you are a good worker, your boss may actually appreciate you. CPD is in a downward spiral. No raise or contract for over 3 years = joke, command staff = joke, training = joke, equipment= joke, police facilities = deplorable, consent decree = joke, public sentiment = negative, support from the courts = none, etc.
12/18/2020 10:02:00 AM
Private sector not that much different. Be carful. Think you are getting promoted before the bosses idiot son? Remember, they have to make money, city does not. Whole new ball game. Choose wisely.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Is there any talk about giving medical to the people who have 29 and a day on even if they’re not 55 years old? Has anybody asked if the FOP is asking for this in the next contract?
Never going to happen.
Laterals is the only way to save the department from the Carters in waiting to fully sink this ship. There are plenty of coppers in the burbs or other cities that would make the move to the big city for the right pay and the opportunity to take a leadership role with this dept while not have to start over.
Anonymous said...
They are between 7-10 officers with less than 20 years who resign every month for a multitude of reasons. So every new class of 40 PPO's there is up to a 25% attrition rate. I like the idea of lateral transfers the FOP mentioned, make it 2-years probation, and develop an extensive FTO cycle for these transfers. There is plenty of talent that would move transfer in, we have a pretty good overall salary and benefits package at the end of the day.
12/18/2020 07:18:00 PM
For some unknown reason, the department will not accept lateral transfers. At the academy for many years, the idea was discussed of a shortened training time for laterals but 35th street refused to listen. I have seen officers from other departments with years of experience forced to complete the full academy. Sad
JUST KEEP ON LEAKING!
Loris weakness is LEAKS.
she doesnt keep up with every city Departments issues it just too much work for her pretty face.
YOU catch any issue leak that bad boy
IVE notice channel 7 seem the most competent with following up on police related leaks.
Keep in mind the reporter will verify whatever you dump on their lap. so it will take a few days to hit TV.
ALDERMAN/ PRIEST/ CITY BOSSES/ REVRUNS/ mayors staff/ POLICE BOARD/
"Wait until Jan 16th, we will be 2,023 officers shorter..."
No wait till Jan 20th when the fraudulent election is allowed to move forward and the deep state swears in their new puppet leadership!
guys I work with have 30+ years and are retiring and just found out they are all taking a day for being on the medical and not attending classes at Olive Harvey. They can’t retire until the debt is fulfilled, that is shameful on the the part of the city.
12/18/2020 07:23:00 PM
Probably long term medical abusers. They can't retire until the debt is fulfilled? Give up 8.5 hours and retire. This isn't rocket science, you crybaby. Chances are they were told several times what needed to be done before any disciplinary action was taken. They decided they were salty vets with nothing to lose. The department called their bluff. Why are you on here crying for them?
12/19/2020 04:02:00 AM
More like day of dept decided to say hey buddy, looks like you owe us this for that my bad it wasn't included I the other records seeing as how we "just found/saw it"
Ok, I voted for him too but I have to now ask “what has he done that’s positive for us?” It’s been 9 months and he’s done nothing for us. Although I agree with him but His love for Trump and hate for Lightfoot does nothing for us. His mouth is actually hurting us. Many were star struck by him but fighting with the mayor gets us nothing. He said pension and residency were his top priorities. Well, has he done anything about it? No. Has anything happened on the contract? Still no. Filed for arbitration? No. Many are losing faith in him.
12/19/2020 12:16:00 AM
You do not want him fighting with tbe mayor because it gets us nothing, but you want residency lifted and pension issues solved. Exactly how can he go about politely addressing your issues when our mayor is a police-hating nut job who loves jamming up police officers.
And, you wrote he has done nothing for us. You are a fool. He stands up for us at every turn and calls out LL. I kick myself each time I see him fighting the good fight for us. Why? Because I did not vote for him, and now I regret it, but I will certainly vote for him in the future.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I can retire but cant sell my house!
Then you bought in the wrong neighborhood. Single family homes are selling like crazy. Most on the market for less than a month
The cyber-hack that took place by China and Iran was very, very serious and MSM says nothing. The MSM is so bad that they should be considered an enemy of the state. We are going to find out soon what took place and it hit all aspects of our government including our nuclear assets. MSM don't you care about what happens to our country?
Do you love communism. The hack was also wired in Dominion voting fraud systems so I guess this is justification for not mentioning it.
The MSM media should start considering getting security because when they are on one of their remotes people are going to start calling them out on live television. MSM is so corrupt and complicit in their misinformation campaign that nobody in that industry can think for themselves, it is all top down talking points. We are in a turning point in this country and they are just talking heads spewing propaganda. I have no respect for the MSM and the only people I listen to are a few people on Fox. And enough with the COVID PORN.
Hey JB and Groot, Minnesota is auditing the numbers for the Coronavirus science and data. Colorado just released that 45% of Coronavirus deaths were gun shot victims.
Jabba, you better start counting flu deaths again and get your books in order because you know how this works, once one state does it, the rest start doing it and you won't be able to test 100.000 people a day. 13 million deaths with only 14.3 million people in the state, might want to chill with the numbers because people might to start to question them.
Off Topic - The pension. Remember this my brothers and sisters. In America laws are passed to screw people out of their money. This is done to enrich the few or compensate (lawfully so you see, since it is the law) for public programs that were abused by politicians who spent uncontrollably in other areas to garner votes. Failure to fund these programs has created a great strain on these programs, especially in the zero percent decade long interest rate environment. Our pension is one such program. If you can retire, retire. You have been warned.
"Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Max out your deferred comp. Guys say they can’t afford to do that. The fact is, you can’t afford not to do that. Invest in yourself and your future. If there is absolutely no way you can max out, then put in double what you think you can. Do it now! Tax savings today because your whole deferral is put into differed comp BEFORE it’s taxed by the government. Don’t wait. Do it now.
12/18/2020 07:15:00 PM
This is the best advice I've ever seen on this blog!!!!
It is very possible for every copper to retire a millionaire!!
If you have to work overtime and/or VRI to make up for the money you pour into the Deferred, it will be the best financial decision you have ever made.
I put half of every raise I ever got into the deferred and it has paid off in a very big way. If you put the money in at the same time you get your raise, you never miss the money you never actually had!
Pour money into the deferred and then get out of this fucking job as soon as you can!
Remember, it costs $75 for every $100 you put into the deferred.
I knew a copper who never put a cent into the deferred because he claimed he would never see any of it....He was right since he died before he retired....HOWEVER, he left a family behind who could've used it. Each to their own I suppose.
12/18/2020 11:13:00 PM"
You're taking for granted and assuming the equity markets always go up and yield a positive return every year. Post orcehestrated banking and housing "crisis" of 2008-09 that would be true, but the equity markets aren't a buy and hold forever. You just happen to have invested and perhaps liquidated your holding during a prolonged up cycle in the market. Currently, this "Bull" is long in the tooth (12 years) and is running on fumes.
You all do what you like, you're grown men and women. However, give some thought to moving your holding into something with less risk if you are 50 years of age or older and have seen your deferred comp account double and triple in the last 12 years. You're playing with fire if you don't lighten up the equity side of your investment portfolio.
There will be a Bear market again, perhaps sooner than you think. Don't be the over 50 cop who is pissing and moaning about the makers because their account went down by 30-40%.
12/18/2020 10:35:00 AM
Remember, if they make police go to licensing, the city can't control who gets fired or disciplined. That would have to go before a board composed of the same people in the industry (police or former police).
For example, doctors and lawyers have boards with guess what, doctors and lawyer, not political appointee's.
Anonymous said......
Couple things here shill. The pension is protected and enshrined in Illinois State Law. Also, if I’m 70 and lose my lawfully protected pension than guess what pal, I ain’t got a good goddamn thing to lose. Think on that pal. You think I’m the only one who thinks that? Tree of Liberty and all.
12/18/2020 07:43:00 PM
I don't know what planet you live on, but nothing, NOTHING is protected or enshrined anywhere, especially in Illinois.
If you did not contribute to Deferred Comp as soon as you qualified (in my time we had to wait for it to begin) and work for non-government employers, paying into S.S. and Medicare, you are a fool. If you do, contribute as much as the law allows NOW.
I retired in 1996, worked in private industry that had a 401K for a number of years, that along with the pension, Deferred Comp and other investments have garnered us a pretty good life after retirement. On the street during the first few months and an old timer told me to prepare for retirement now!. Look to the last 5 years, what are you going to do, make a plan to get there. Yes, I raised kids, private tuitions and part of the time was a single parent. It can be done and I was not the only one. Starting pay was $8200, and no overtime pay for many years., So those of you making north of $75K now should throttle back on the big cars, too many nights out and begin slowly. Pace it out a bit because tomorrow comes on fast. You can make it happen, but sadly not on the CPD now. Reality is staring you in the face right now.
As for another posters comment on why stay: $100K is better than $75 even with the deduction for the pension. So, take that $25K and break it down for 2080 hours (normal yearly hours worked) I am sure you can make more money working at another job. Don't kid yourself, being the Police is not what it was years ago, just unappreciated and under paid and without a contract for 4 years should tell you something. Oh, opening attorney fees for being in the wrong place will eat that up in a minute..
Just my humble opinion
Anonymous said...
lateral transfers the FOP mentioned, make it 2-years probation, and develop an extensive FTO cycle for these transfers.
Your an idiot. Why would anyone transfer to Chicago from the burbs. And two years of probation? Sure real attractive
I left Chicago for the burbs a few years ago best decision. I'm also finishing a masters program to leave this career altogether.
12/19/2020 06:46:00 AM
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Because the burbs for the most part are micromanaging, activity based departments with very little room to get away from bosses you clash with. Your watch commander hates you in the burbs? Tough shit. No bidding to different districts or even watches. Happy misery for the next 5 years. And the burbs are just as prone to lawsuits as we are. I'd rather be exactly where I'm at, getting zero activity and having bosses that like it that way. Getting any day off I ask for, getting 2 nice vacations a year with baby furloughs sprinkled in between. This department only sucks for the people who take this joke of a job seriously.
Anonymous said...
I think that medical at 29 and a day is realistic. If you got on the job at an early age you shouldn’t be penalized. Think about it this way. If you got on at 21 you’ll have to do 34 years for the medical. How’s that fair?
You should have figured out "fair"has nothing to do with this shitty job a long time ago. I left at 50 and was the most senior officer retiring from my district that year. Everyone else was 55,one PO had 20 years,19 of them on the desk. I'd have had to throw away another 5 years of life,total of 33 to get the insurance. If you came on in your 20's this is just another shit sandwich you'll have to eat.
A heads up to people retiring, as a Sgt nothing makes me sicker than giving guys retiring in less than a month a day or 3 but have had multiple Old Timers written up for pimpy things. Is there a bounty or something I had 4 in one day?
12/18/2020 05:59:00 PM
Just tell them that if it was you,you'd take 3 days on the medical for every 1 day off. At this point in their career they can't possibly have qualms regarding that.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Ok, I voted for him too but I have to now ask “what has he done that’s positive for us?” It’s been 9 months and he’s done nothing for us. Although I agree with him but His love for Trump and hate for Lightfoot does nothing for us. His mouth is actually hurting us. Many were star struck by him but fighting with the mayor gets us nothing. He said pension and residency were his top priorities. Well, has he done anything about it? No. Has anything happened on the contract? Still no. Filed for arbitration? No. Many are losing faith in him.
12/19/2020 12:16:00 AM
You do not want him fighting with tbe mayor because it gets us nothing, but you want residency lifted and pension issues solved. Exactly how can he go about politely addressing your issues when our mayor is a police-hating nut job who loves jamming up police officers.
And, you wrote he has done nothing for us. You are a fool. He stands up for us at every turn and calls out LL. I kick myself each time I see him fighting the good fight for us. Why? Because I did not vote for him, and now I regret it, but I will certainly vote for him in the future.
12/19/2020 12:08:00 PM
I’m guessing you’re a cop that has lots of problems because you don’t know how to out smart your opponent and win. Study your enemy. Lightfoot is someone you can beat but calling her names is just as unprofessional as she is. It will be a stalemate just like we’re in now. You are the fool.
You're taking for granted and assuming the equity markets always go up and yield a positive return every year. Post orcehestrated banking and housing "crisis" of 2008-09 that would be true, but the equity markets aren't a buy and hold forever. You just happen to have invested and perhaps liquidated your holding during a prolonged up cycle in the market. Currently, this "Bull" is long in the tooth (12 years) and is running on fumes.
You all do what you like, you're grown men and women. However, give some thought to moving your holding into something with less risk if you are 50 years of age or older and have seen your deferred comp account double and triple in the last 12 years. You're playing with fire if you don't lighten up the equity side of your investment portfolio.
There will be a Bear market again, perhaps sooner than you think. Don't be the over 50 cop who is pissing and moaning about the makers because their account went down by 30-40%.
12/19/2020 04:41:00 PM
Good thinking. Protect yourself and switch your deferred to fixed and get 3% and be able to sleep nights during any correction. Then invest in the stock market outside of deferred so you can take advantage of long termed capital gains taxes. A lot of guys don’t realize if you sell your stocks or mutual funds the long term capital gains are taxed at 15% but if you do it in deferred when you withdraw the capital gains it’s taxed as ordinary income which is anywhere from 25% to 28% depending on your income which usually is not low because of the pension
More like day of dept decided to say hey buddy, looks like you owe us this for that my bad it wasn't included I the other records seeing as how we "just found/saw it"
12/19/2020 11:53:00 AM
Having some trouble deciphering your incoherent post... why can't they give up 8.5 hours and be done with it and retire? You made it sound like they're being held hostage for something they had no knowledge of. They knew they had training, and they thought they wouldn't take time for missing it. If one day of suspension time is holding up their retirement, it should take one day or 8.5 hours of time due to solve that minor problem. What's the issue? Why are you whining?
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There will be a Bear market again, perhaps sooner than you think. Don't be the over 50 cop who is pissing and moaning about the makers because their account went down by 30-40%.
12/19/2020 04:41:00 PM
Good thinking. Protect yourself and switch your deferred to fixed and get 3% and be able to sleep nights during any correction. Then invest in the stock market outside of deferred so you can take advantage of long termed capital gains taxes. A lot of guys don’t realize if you sell your stocks or mutual funds the long term capital gains are taxed at 15% but if you do it in deferred when you withdraw the capital gains it’s taxed as ordinary income which is anywhere from 25% to 28% depending on your income which usually is not low because of the pension
12/20/2020 01:46:00 AM
Everyone's situation is different. Financial advisors will sell you junk. Unfortunately, too many officers fall victims to investment firms. The way to help yourselves is to study finance (including investments) on the city's dime. Then you can asses your own situation (age, assets, desired lifestyle, investment tolerance, income, human capital, and so on). I studied hard and earned a few graduate degrees. I financed my house on a short term loan and I paid it off about a year ago. Now, I have the problem of deciding whether I want to sell it now and make a huge profit (in the current market). That is a nice problem to have. And I do not have to worry about alternative career options.
You're taking for granted and assuming the equity markets always go up and yield a positive return every year. Post orcehestrated banking and housing "crisis" of 2008-09 that would be true, but the equity markets aren't a buy and hold forever. You just happen to have invested and perhaps liquidated your holding during a prolonged up cycle in the market. Currently, this "Bull" is long in the tooth (12 years) and is running on fumes.
You all do what you like, you're grown men and women. However, give some thought to moving your holding into something with less risk if you are 50 years of age or older and have seen your deferred comp account double and triple in the last 12 years. You're playing with fire if you don't lighten up the equity side of your investment portfolio.
There will be a Bear market again, perhaps sooner than you think. Don't be the over 50 cop who is pissing and moaning about the makers because their account went down by 30-40%.
12/19/2020 04:41:00 PM
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ya, I put my defered in fixed for the 3% just before Trump took office. Turned out to be a bad decision but that's fine I'll deal with it. I keep hearing if your over 50 put it in fixed but now I am thinking differently (and not because of the Trump thing). Now I am thinking I would not have used the deferred until I am 70 anyway (when you are forced to make withdrawals). So ya I'll be retiring soon, but that money can sit for 19 more years - so I never should have put it in fixed even if the market crashed when Trump took office (which it did not).
Another point - we are long into a good cycle with the market - it is going to crash soon. We are LONG into it. So I am thinking of staying in fixed until that crash occurs. and it ALWAYS occurs.
Hey, 12/18/20, 7:43pm; You, pal, are an idiot. You think your pension is protected by law? Those who write the law can easily change the law. One small stroke of a pen after a vote, a democratic vote, and you’re living on $227.00 a month Social Security regardless of your contribution. That’s right, that’s your Social Security on the Windfall Exemption thanks to Rostenkowski, who, by the way, went to prison. You’re a real thinker.
I’m guessing you’re a cop that has lots of problems because you don’t know how to out smart your opponent and win. Study your enemy. Lightfoot is someone you can beat but calling her names is just as unprofessional as she is. It will be a stalemate just like we’re in now. You are the fool.
12/19/2020 11:58:00 PM
I do not recall President Catanzara calling the mayor "out of her name."
And, you must be unaware that the stalemate wss not caused by President Catanzara. He inherited it.
Also, the mayor has been studied. She is a police hater who refuses to negotiate in good faith, however, please grace me with your wisdom for outsmarting her and winning. I patiently await your insight and direction because I do suffer fools gladly.
BTW, you guessed wrong.
I’m guessing you’re a cop that has lots of problems because you don’t know how to out smart your opponent and win. Study your enemy. Lightfoot is someone you can beat but calling her names is just as unprofessional as she is. It will be a stalemate just like we’re in now. You are the fool.
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I’m guessing you’re one of Forbes top 100 richest and have read/applied Sun Tsu’s “Art of War.” You clearly are an astute “winner” who has won many battles....the blog should feel blessed that you’ve graced it with your presence.
Sounds good to me, fewer cops, fewer people arresting people who defend themselves from the thugs so many cops are avoiding. Stay fetal guys.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Is there any talk about giving medical to the people who have 29 and a day on even if they’re not 55 years old? Has anybody asked if the FOP is asking for this in the next contract?
Never going to happen.
12/19/2020 09:41:00 AM
John C mentioned this in his recent video...would be great BUT who knows what will happen
Anonymous said...
3 guys I work with have 30+ years and are retiring and just found out they are all taking a day for being on the medical and not attending classes at Olive Harvey. They can’t retire until the debt is fulfilled, that is shameful on the the part of the city.
12/18/2020 07:23:00 PM
Seems suspicious...how can they be taking a day off for being on the medical and not attending a class? Old timers know how to dodge this one...more medical then retire
How can the city stop your retirement?
Sounds great but impossible with forced residency. No other departments have forced residency. None! When I encounter cops in other cities they are shocked that there’s still a such thing as forced residency. It’s an absolute killer for recruiting.
Well that just is not true... give it up.
Seems suspicious...how can they be taking a day off for being on the medical and not attending a class? Old timers know how to dodge this one...more medical then retire
How can the city stop your retirement?
12/20/2020 08:59:00 PM
If this is even remotely true, it's missing a lot of key information. That makes me think they probably didn't do some e-learning that was required. The discipline would come only after them repeatedly being told thet must complete the training. They likely decided they didn't have to do the training because they're on the medical. Unless their medical condition prevents them from clicking a mouse, they would still have to do the training, either from home, or by going into a district. They thought they could skip it and nothing would happen. They were wrong.
Get rid of CST.
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