6,500?
Interesting comment earlier yesterday:
- ....the goal is permanent 12 hr days and 6,500 police and it’s coming soon
We say "interesting" because this was discussed here over a decade ago where the rumor was that 9.5's desire was a replica of Houston, a city similar in size to Chicago, but with only about half the Police manpower.
Texas has a very large County Sheriff presence across the state however, which stood in for the Houston PD numbers. In fact, LA is run similarly with a number of major departments within the boundaries of Los Angeles proper and a significant CHP presence.
Chicago doesn't have that in terms of County sheriffs nor ISP.
Discuss.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
76 Comments:
Let the sheriff's take over the cta like LA.
12 hour days and what is the day off rotation?
So 12 hour days in 003, 006, 007, 011, 015? Holy shit
Let’s do it. More days off
Lateraled from a relatively quiet 12 hr burb to CPD. Midnights, 6p-6a and checkoff is 5 minutes before shift ends not an hour 30. Working three 12’s in a row was brutal. Might be doable on days. But I cannot imagine humping calls for 12 hours in Chicago and catching a late DUI or domestic before checkoff. Our 4-2 schedule is godsend.
If we do go to 12 hour days, it better not be some 2 on 2 of nonsense. A 4 on 4 off followed by 4 on 3 off wouldn't be that bad.
12 hour days, you say? Watch that 6,500 number plummet precipitously as those who “didn’t sign up for this shit” bail for greener pastures that don’t actually exist.
CPD has moved past the Hair Gel and Gen X Police and into the PMS Police.
Too many desk babies would cry about this.
Twelve hours is a long time to be shagging jobs working in a beat car. I'd have to hit the hole for a little nap.
The Democrats believe in alternatives to conventional policing. Watch for more social service programs that replace the rank and file. They can funnel more of the monies into programs and NGOs. Then they get the kickbacks, the donations and jobs to give out which are favorable to the party. It’s easier to steal the money from these programs than if they put it into the police department. In fact the police don’t do anything for the party, they are just a liability.
McNulty says
I call total BS … city doesn’t have enough equipment to go to a 12 hour day. Cars and radios are in short demand now when watches overlap DNC a perfect example. How would it even be possible to man a radio for example on zone 12 in the summer months when everyone and their mother is out on the streets responding to absolute nonsense calls. Mental health and officer wellness will go straight out the window. All time off will need to be adjusted. furlos time due BF days will all need a total revamp. Chasing the radio for 12 hours in a busy district is just not feasible. This has been a rumor for years and no one sees it happening. It’s a logistical nightmare. 20 years ago there were so many officers working the watch secretaries had no where to put the new guys because every beat car and extra car was manned. Where did all that equipment and vehicles go ? We all know the answer. Just let that sink in and think about it.
We would only get a redundant bureaucracy because each agency is run by a differing tribe of the Democratic party of Illinois.
Plus there would have to be a procedure policy overlay across any cooperating agency's.
Plus nobody will want to really cut their administrative budget nowould they?
Cook County Sheriff, ISP are not Chicago's budgetary problem.
Looks like Chicago is trying to force those agencies to hire more...
Fucking democrats.
I want 12 hour days, but all the inside cry babies and 3rd watchers don’t so we will never get em. We can make do with 6500, we already basically have that with units who stand around and do nothing and half the department down on some bullshit fixed post.
That would be like saying NYPD should police their city with 14,000 cops. It would be impossible.
Let us not forget the numbers of officers murdered in Texas.
There are times when more is better, there are times when less is better.
More officers are a necessity, now more then ever. Twelve hours is too long
of a work day for any human who must be at the ready every minute.
I understand the city might want this, but what are they going to give us in return? Is there a hardship written into the contract that allows them to permanently change starting times and the length of a tour of duty without the unions agreeing?
Harris County has a very large Sheriff's Office and a very large Constables Office too. This will not work in Chicago
how about just placing the police they do have in to the neighborhoods and districts that want the police, there is no need for all those extra police in the 5th, 7th, 11th, 15th districts
Remember dumbocRATs don’t ask the Why or How, just the What. Such as, What, Huston only needs half the police? Not How can they mange and Why does it seem to work for them.
Sadly if this ever comes to fruition in Chicago, the budget savings won’t go to the pensions, or to lower property taxes, but to buy votes from all the non-contributors to society.
I wish we COULD work 12’s.
Let me get my hours in, then give me a few days off in a row.
I would spend majority of my RDOs having 3-day or 4-day weekends at the lake house- on what feels like a different planet when compared to this shithole.
I’m assuming Houston and LA also have competent Sherifs departments.
If you think our current crop of recruits is bad, what do you think Cook County is running through its hiring process? You really want Cook County taking patrols in Chicago? Good lord.
Also, Houston seems to have a larger number of non-sworn civilian staff member too, which may not be a bad thing depending on what they are doing.
But I can see a lot of spots in Chicago that can safely and logistically be filled by non-sworn members. Problem is, those spots are used as a bone to throw to DEI coppers or pin cushions.
Taking away a connected coppers plumb spot and sending them back to the street so a civilian can do it will be something that gets a lot of push-back. Necessary, but won’t be easy to get done.
Not happening with the prima donna supervisors and officers who "can't work midnights". Not to mention the house mice about to be bounced off their soft spot.
Bring it on please.
people who have worked these districts will experience so much wear and tear on their bodies and mental. We already do not have a normal life, let’s just make it even more abnormal.
I worked in a 12 hour department prior to coming to CPD. Every other weekend was either working Fri Sat Sun or you were off Fri Sat Sun. It's great with no family or responsibilities. I think it would be really hard with any family life or trying to get kids to/from school. 3rd watch was the smallest watch and worked 3p-3a. Other hours were 7-7 with a a morning car from 6-6 to cover the overlap with midnights/days. You also have to throw in commute time for Chicago and the whole handling of jobs near the end of the shift has to culturally change. We did not stay all the time to finish a job. Another car was assigned and you might handle the case report and the other car would process the arrest. You can't get a late arrest on a 12 hour tour and expect to work another 4-6 hours then turn around and be back that night for your next tour of duty. The days off each month were great. 15 days off a month. Court is brutal when working midnights. Imagine working 7p-7a, court from 9-1 then being back at work at 7p for another 12 hour tour.
Exactly. They don't want us there fuck em put them where they want us.
Can't compare to Houston. Chicago has about a 1/3 of it's officers working inside.
Time to downsize hide inside positions. What happened to that "all hands on deck" we used to hear about?
Youre assuming this department gives us days off. Its rdo cancelled weekend after weekend from june- September basically
12 hours sounds sexy....until you are in 007, 005, 015, 011 for 12 hours.
The schedule gives everyone a three day weekend every other week. To make it work officers 4 hrs of ot is bult into the schedule.
No days off. You don’t get days off
Clearly, you’ve never worked 12 hr days. Your complaining would be x10.
12 hour days..? I didn't even want 10 hour days...With regards to the six day work schedule, I remember saying that I didnt want to work six days in a row. 12 hours? F**k you! The entire rest of the civilized world goes on with an 8 hour work day. What's the problem here? Why would anyone come on this job knowing they would be working 12 hour shifts Including weekends and holidays...?
If goal is to reduce policing to reporting after-the-fact episodes of crime, because prosecution and detention of criminals is no longer progressive's acceptable concept of needed public-safety services, then just open self-report kiosks at local police stations. Crime-victims, if so old-fashioned as to need to report crime, or in need of police-report for insurance claim purposes, can obtain their self-prepared official report. Murder victims, and assault victims to enfeebled to come themselves, can be represented by a family member or friend. Chaos can ensue on streets of Chicago, but cost-savings can be realized by sharp reduction in police force manpower count.
Ditto for fire department, self-reports after fire for insurance purposes, and arson separately declassified as crime. Fire victims prepare self-report fire episode report for insurance purposes, if victim has no property insurance exists, then no report needed. Fire ambulance service is terminated. And again, fire department manpower can be sharply reduced.
This should leave plenty of budgetary dollars for the "do nothing" administrative and community activist jobs necessary to wholesale purchase votes from underserved (under-educated) communities for folks who likely couldn't retain a job in private-sector world.
nope
Chicago has 3x more gang bangers than 6500 police...Can-you-dig-it???
I say we go to 24 on, 48 off.... If we going to get crazy, let's get really crazy.
Retired in 2018. Moved to Texas in 19. Texas has a constable program. People in a neighborhood can vote to pay a tax to pay for their own police force. Sworn personnel with full police powers. People in these areas usually call the constable before they dial 911. Of course this program has been vilified by liberals as racist, slave posse's, elitest since po' folks can't afford them. Yes anything that keeps people safe is racist. Anything that works must be destroyed. We have a strong Red State here. Republicans don't roll over, over here. This is why they tried flooding Texas with illegals. To turn Texas blue. God bless Greg Abbot for shipping them to Illinois.
It would be great if Chicago had CHIPs motorcycles all over the place. Ponch and Jon would clean this town up in the snap of a finger and then go to Roller Disco the night away.
That won't stop liberals from picking out certain facts in isolation and using them to support stupid ideas.
I heard this rumor about two years ago. city wants to get 9161 down to a certain number and then the city calls it an Emergency and put 12 hours shifts becasue of manpower. What's all this about a hiring freeze?
The City will grant us the pleasure of working 4 days straight then three days off. 48 hours a week. Only 2 shifts, days and midnights. 40% of manpower to days (minus 20% for management), 60% to midnights. So, unless you are in the top 20% manpower, you will be on midnights for a very very long time. No increase in V hours, your furloughs will be shorter.
4 on 4 off would be horrible. 12 hrs in a fast district in the summer would get a lot of people hurt, productivity would plummet and CR’s would go up. And then go sit in court all day. Fuck that
No millennial is going to work 12 hours on a job they are just so so about. The suburbs are having a hard time finding people for this let alone keeping people...plus you are talking 16 hours with four hour extensions.. because the city will never hold to only 12 hours nor will they hold to the 4 and 3 4 and schedule with 12's.
for this to happen, i believe ISP and CCSO would have to change their hiring process to bolster police force numbers. CCSO you need to work at the jail for 2 years and you need some juice to make it out to the road. ISP does not get a lot of recruits do their fitness test exceeding the regular power test standards. just my .02
005 has been on 10.5 hours for 10 plus years, what's another 90 minutes?
Texas has Walker, Texas Ranger. Now, kees me you fool!!!!
we need more police to figure out how those 2 fans got shot inside white sox park,,,,,,, or do we just need the higher ups and the democRAT politicians to have the nerve to admit what happened
12 hr day schedule
Week 1 Work Monday Tuesday, off Wednesday Thursday, work Friday Saturday Sunday.
Week 2 off Monday Tuesday, work Wednesday Thursday, off Friday Saturday Sunday.
Came here to say this.
What I heard was on 2 on 2 off, 2 on 2 off , 2 on 3 off and it keeps rotating like that…at least from what I heard.
Do you really think they won’t still cancel days off?
12 hour days, you say? Watch that 6,500 number plummet precipitously as those who “didn’t sign up for this shit” bail for greener pastures that don’t actually exist.
CPD has moved past the Hair Gel and Gen X Police and into the PMS Police.
12-Hours at CPD is not the same as 12-hours in Frankfort or Burr Ridge. Officers get one or two domestic calls a week... Days off will still be cancelled on 12-hour days. Maybe not a first, but they will be after a year or so.
I dont disagree with you...but why do we accept this as the norm..Then go on about our day like nothing is wrong?
Chicago values?
Midnight basketball
So effin true. The everyone gets a trophy entitlement generation populates the ranks of the CPD. RIP CPD
If it is similar to university of Chicago Police Department, every other weekend off. Tough work week , but has benefits. Just ensure the contract read triple time for every day off cancellation. Use Citywide seniority. In 16 ,low on seniority,might be traveling to Roseland if nobody volunteered for the triple time. 12 hour personal days,BFD equal extra money if you use the days.
Worked in 3 , get the day shift. They don’t wake up until 1300hrs
Maybe go back to rotation every period,to make it fair. All administrative assignments should be civilians.
Retired in Texas……
True dat!
Do it already. All in. Need to allow furlough days to be taken 2 or 3 at a time so that you end up with 7 mini 6 day vacations throughout the year when connected with RDO’s.
I’m all for 12 hour days.
Being retired I do 12 hours of drinking and 12 hours of sleeping. And I don’t take days off 😂😂😂
I’m right next door to Chicago working the 12 hr schedule. It’s tough on the 3 day weekends but over all I love the schedule. I left Chicago a few years back. I worked there weeks in a row with no time off. You may get less jobs but you handle all of them. I broke the afternoon shift from not taking calls at the beginning of their shift causing me to be on OT often (15-30 mins a day). The contract says u can only work an additional 6 hours with your 12 hour days. Only. I live for my days off. 7 out of 14 every two weeks. At least in Chicago you have over lapping shifts for others to get the jobs. Give you a break. I’d rather be busy all day to make the day fly by. Slow days are the worst. We break up our days into 6 hr shifts on a beat. Then the next 6 hours you have new scenery. Everyone cried when Chicago went to the 4 and 2s. That’s a good schedule. No one would ever go back to the 6 and 2 unless they loved suffering. The change is good. If you work an rdo, it’s better money. The way the 12 hr schedule is set up, take 2 days off at the right time every other week, your off 7 days in a row. Pay me!!! No get rid of the Chicago Residency Rule. See how good life can be living out of Cook County. Use those public schools and don’t work so much to put kids thru private education. F**k CPS.
When my day off is cancelled, I just don’t come in.
Unlike a lot of the children on this job, it’s my day off and I’m not coming in.
Have yet to be fucked with for it.
You can’t be AWOL on your RDO, it’s a weird conundrum the department finds it self in with that scenario.
Done it successfully multiple times. Feel free to take my advice.
Who cares about productivity? And if you just answer your jobs, the need to go to court is lowered exponentially.
Those gang bangers have no structure. They need a real leader— like Cyrus
100%
At least in Chicago you have over lapping shifts for others to get the jobs. Give you a break.
CPD will cut down to 2 shifts, like the 005 10 hour schedule. No breaks. You will still catch late jobs on the midnight shift. You will be staying over. The grouchy day guy isn't going to run out the door to get you home to bed.
Have unions demand a sector car,wagon remain on the 4 on 2 off schedule to overlap the hours. 0600-1800hrs 1800-0600hrs. Then 0500-1400hrs,1400-2300hrs and 2300-0800hrs. There two man sector cars and three squadrols with one sergeant. Volunteer or selected by seniority.
Put the firefighters and paramedics on the 12 hour work shift
Cyrus was shot dead by a rogue gang member. I hear Larry Hoover is almost out of prison. He can likely get things back in order...
https://workforce.com/news/evaluate-these-common-12-hour-shift-schedules
100%
True, you do get more days off a year, but a lot harder to take time off when you want it.
Too much liability and IOD will sky rocket with 12 hour days after one day I feel like a zombie of 12 hour days who comes up with this shit this is CHICAGO not some burb that maybe can do this absolute BS and ungodly especially for families and parents
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