The Scent of Impropriety
This is popping up in a few spots and we've been asked to address it. We just aren't sure how to bring it up without offending a bunch of people, one way of the other. Here goes the try.
First of all, don't get us wrong - we believe that the Memorial Park is a good thing, a great thing. Our dead have had zero recognition aside from the Star Case at headquarters that almost no one ever saw and the engraved wall at FOP headquarters that even fewer people saw as it was behind a locked gate. We fought long and vocally against the former aldercreature Haithcock's efforts to get a street sign named for Hampton and wrote a couple of passionate essays to shame our brass into supporting our dead (none of whom ever stepped up to the plate publicly if we recall).
We sat through the same presentations everyone else did for the Memorial Park. We bought t-shirts, sent in donations, some of us here even signed up for the automatic payroll deductions, some of us resisted. Toward the end of the fund raising though, it felt more like strong arming. We saw every single recruit wearing the Memorial pins and knew that they hadn't voluntarily bought them. And we heard that the people giving the presentations at the Academy were really pushing hard, very hard, for the Memorial to be the only "appropriate" contribution. And the St. Jude marches where directives came out telling everyone exactly where the pin was supposed to be worn so it didn't feel like an option uniform item. The entire thing became more than a monument to the dead. That in the effort to recognize the deceased, it became more about the fund raising than actually remembering those who have gone before. We didn't like it.
Then we confirmed with a number of HQ sources (and we're not talking one, two or three sources, but more - way more) who related that one of the criteria for "merit" promotion was having the box checked for payroll contributions for the Memorial Fund and if a choice spot opened up in a unit, anyone who wasn't in the payroll program wouldn't be considered. We really didn't like that.
Now, a number of persons are writing to us about how Cline is becoming the first ever director of the Chicago Police Memorial Fund and this is a paid position within the organization. The guy in charge of the push to get everything built, everything paid for, everything finished, is now the guy taking a paycheck from the organization. One might imagine that the entire creation was to provide a retirement job for one individual.
And we really don't like that we have become so cynical that we could believe for a second that our dead could be used so callously, so thoughtlessly. We weren't born this way, but we've become so. So we push it all to the backs of our minds.
But the old memories of the strong arm tactics are coming to the fore again.
First of all, don't get us wrong - we believe that the Memorial Park is a good thing, a great thing. Our dead have had zero recognition aside from the Star Case at headquarters that almost no one ever saw and the engraved wall at FOP headquarters that even fewer people saw as it was behind a locked gate. We fought long and vocally against the former aldercreature Haithcock's efforts to get a street sign named for Hampton and wrote a couple of passionate essays to shame our brass into supporting our dead (none of whom ever stepped up to the plate publicly if we recall).
We sat through the same presentations everyone else did for the Memorial Park. We bought t-shirts, sent in donations, some of us here even signed up for the automatic payroll deductions, some of us resisted. Toward the end of the fund raising though, it felt more like strong arming. We saw every single recruit wearing the Memorial pins and knew that they hadn't voluntarily bought them. And we heard that the people giving the presentations at the Academy were really pushing hard, very hard, for the Memorial to be the only "appropriate" contribution. And the St. Jude marches where directives came out telling everyone exactly where the pin was supposed to be worn so it didn't feel like an option uniform item. The entire thing became more than a monument to the dead. That in the effort to recognize the deceased, it became more about the fund raising than actually remembering those who have gone before. We didn't like it.
Then we confirmed with a number of HQ sources (and we're not talking one, two or three sources, but more - way more) who related that one of the criteria for "merit" promotion was having the box checked for payroll contributions for the Memorial Fund and if a choice spot opened up in a unit, anyone who wasn't in the payroll program wouldn't be considered. We really didn't like that.
Now, a number of persons are writing to us about how Cline is becoming the first ever director of the Chicago Police Memorial Fund and this is a paid position within the organization. The guy in charge of the push to get everything built, everything paid for, everything finished, is now the guy taking a paycheck from the organization. One might imagine that the entire creation was to provide a retirement job for one individual.
And we really don't like that we have become so cynical that we could believe for a second that our dead could be used so callously, so thoughtlessly. We weren't born this way, but we've become so. So we push it all to the backs of our minds.
But the old memories of the strong arm tactics are coming to the fore again.
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
124 Comments:
Didn't we have an exempt member indicted and conviced only two years ago for misappropriating money that was suppose to go to the gold star families, or am I mistaken?
Yey, I do not believe for a minute that Sup. Cline has anything but the very best intentions. I do believe there should be full public disclosure of the budget of the fund to settle the issue and keep the contributions coming.
Say it ain't so Joe?
Then again, see no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil.
Are they bringing in that much money that they can have a paid position to manage the park? I mean don't get me wrong if they are paying Phil lets say 20 grand a year but he can bring in 100 grand in donations thru his connections then its well worth the money. They have a hole list of people on the honorary committee but that doesn't mean they are actually managing anything just a name on a plaque. They need someone to run the day to day operation.
First I was strong armed to buy tickets to the Christmas Parties. The Profits of which ended up Districts Discretionary Bank account.
Then I was getting strong armed for a direct payroll deduction from the sister of a murdered PO- who was allowed to address roll call. I have purchased 2 bricks, and several shirts, and a memorial pin.
I was told that the memorial was going to cost about 3 million and zero dollars coming from the city or corporate soponsorship.
I believe that honoring our dead with a memorial was a fantastic cause at the time, and now I cant believe that such things are being allowed to happen on the backs of our dead officers. I hope that the families of our dead can forgive those who are doing this to their memory.
As a Gold Star Family member and Chicago Police Officer this was my concern from the very begining of this endeaver. It is unfortunate that I too am cynical about some peoples motivations about this park honoring our fallen.
I have personnally seen some people involved use this as a way to advance their own agenda. I question their sincerity. These people are truly classless. There is no greater dis-service to our fallen then to use this Park as a way to benefit career wise or financially. Please, do not benefit from my fathers murder.
I have always felt that the best way to honor our fallen is to make sure their killers stay behind bars. Sixteen convicted cop killers come up for parole. Some everyear, like my fathers and some every three years like Severin and Rizzatos. Make sure you sign petitions or write your own letter to the Prisoner Review Board. Also don't forget those that support the release of these individuals. We have a Congressman, a Alderman, a County Commissioner and others. They are not our friends.
Another way to honor the fallen is to learn how they died and try to prevent it, if possible from happening again. My father was killed in the 7th district while filing out a missing person report under a street light. Five offenders approached and one shot him in the head with a sawed-off shotgun, blowing the right side of his head off. He was in a one man squad car. This incident catapulted the drive to end one man squad cars. Today, one man squad cars still exsist. The Union fought for the end of it and an officer had his life taken to help create it.
I truly hope your allegations are not true. I don't think anyone should financially benefit from my loss.
I was five years old at the time of this incident and remember that day like yesterday. A detective sat at the end of my bed, in the early morning hours, to inform me of my fathers fate.
I wish no child or spouse to ever have to go through this horror, but that is not a reality. Please stay safe, your family needs you
I don't think it's a paid position.
What a joke! Help me to understand. So we get strong-armed to honor our fallen and if you already have clout you will get more clout by authorizing automatic withdrawl for the memorial only to pay Phil Cline for something that should be done out of his heart. Doesn't Phil already get a fat check from the city? Since he gets a memorial fund check, why doesn't he stand guard at the memorial? I don't have automatic withdrawl, but have given money. Is there a list for that? Just when I thought the merit process was as bad as it could get, it gets even more fucked up!
It's always something with this city and department. Clout and corruption are so deeply rooted it will never become honest.
SCC,
You are right on the money on this one,it is such a shame. I thought Phil had more class than this.
It is a paid position per Michael Murphy of the Memorial Fund. Call him and ask him - I did and he's "proud" to have Cline on the Board.
I would like to know what his salary is? I was just mentioning how everyone was talking bad about this while I was at the credit union. Just like District Managers aren't necessary. The District ran for years without them. Who was running the Memorial Foundation? Do they need some help? Why can't other people apply for the job?
You need someeone to go out and solicit funds from the private sector (swore police cannot). Why not Phil.
SCC what will you call Michael Murphy (beside lt.) if he should make the next class?
Anonymous said...
It is a paid position per Michael Murphy of the Memorial Fund. Call him and ask him - I did and he's "proud" to have Cline on the Board.
8/13/2007 06:00:00 AM
I will call and ask. I encourage everyone else to do so and if it is true,stop your payroll deduction ASAP. This is insulting to us and our dead.
Sergeant Mike Murphy #312-499-8899
Where is the media and Sneed on this one?
What a scam. Even if it is not a paid position, probably pick up travel expenses ( free vacations) , etc. etc.
IF this is true, it is totally inappropriate. There should be no paid positions at all. It should be all volunteers, and that goes for Murphy who is being paid by the Dept. and his only job is the memorial fund. Can't they see the conflict of interest here. This is huberous if true. Second, Cline makes a very very good pension. This is his baby. he should willingly take an unpaid directors job. If this is true, I'm cancelling my deduction. I'm sure there are numerous members of the Gold Star Families and the Dept. who would do this job for free.
Pallidin
On visiting the Memorial a few weeks ago, no place to park, I also noticed plaques on both sides of the water fountain. Among the plaques was one from the clifford law office and another from phil corboy and assoc.
While I appreciate their contribution, I also felt it was a bit tacky to say the least. I don't think a Police Officer Memorial should carry business advertisement. What is to keep it from looking like a nascar entry. Then ,when you factor in all the money lawyers have made off the police, I find it downright disrespectful. My two cents.
PLEASE President Bush, take federal control of this Dept and assign an outsider as Superintendent.
Why doesn't Phil Cline donate his salary to the Mike Mette Defense Fund???
Cline's pension has to be about $150,000+, he surely doesn't need the money.
I think it is horrible that he would consider taking money from hard working police officers anyhow.
I think this Chicago Police Memorial Fund has turned into one big legal kickback scheme for Phil and his friends.
This reminds me of Fr. Tom Nangle's alleged pilfering from the Goldstar Fund.
What is the difference between the Goldstar Fund and the Chicago Police Memorial Fund?
Someone really needs to look into this whole thing.
I have also heard that Phil Cline checked names to see if you were contributing to the CPMF before you could get a spot or promotion. If this occurred Phil should be indicted.
Whether it's food, drink or money, kline's a glutton and never could get enough. Lets just hope that there's room over there for Marikay and Annie also.
I can't believe Cline would accept any sort of salary for this. I mean isn't his $140,000 plus a year pension enough? I have an accounting degree(something Cline does not have) and I would be proud to have that position and work it for free even after my 8hr shift. Just tell me where to send my application. God Bless every officer on that wall and every blue shirt that goes to work every day to make sure no more names are added.
The Memorial itself is an excellent idea that I wholeheartedly support. The tactics used to build it, however, veered toward the "strong armed".
Mike Murphy used this entire endeavor to glue himself to Cline's ass. Granted, Mike has a vested interest in the project as he has a family member represented on the wall. But he used his involvement in the project for personal gain.
Shame on you, Mike.
Could we just fence off all areas between the Eisenhower, the Stevensen, and the Ryan ( Western border to be determined ) and let it run itself. I figure the amount of Tax money being spent in that vast stretch of shit compared to what is brought in from the same area has got to be about a 10 to 1 ratio. Maybe more.
Just dreaming....
Why does this not surprize me. Sad to say, but I have suspected something like this. It is truly a shame that certain people might be using our fallen to further their careers and or line their pockets.
Anonymous said...
It is a paid position per Michael Murphy of the Memorial Fund. Call him and ask him - I did and he's "proud" to have Cline on the Board.
8/13/2007 06:00:00 AM
Of course he is - Cline is the reason Murphy is a SGT to begin with, and the reason why Murphy will be a LT soon.
Wouldn't you be "proud" too???
12:52 AM (Kurt Kaner)
I first met Kenny when we worked 011 together. He was a great guy and an outstanding street copper. He transferred to 007. After making dick, my first assignment prior to the old Area 6 Homicide was the old Area 3 (Brighton Park) with most of our action in Englewood.
Your dad was parked writing the report at 74th & Union before the drive-by ambush. In one of the greatest pinches ever, Carl _______ & Co. pulled over the shooters at 71st & Union. The zone then simulcasted a "P.O. shot" during that street stop by 007 Tac.
Kenny's murder was a defining moment in CPD history. I was proud to see that despite a direct order from a deputy, ALL of 007 third and first watch officers refused to work 10-99 units because of your dad's murder. The CPD then instituted all 2-man cars city-wide during the hours of darkness.
To rub salt into the wounds of the troops in 007, the damn fools from 1121 State left the squad car in 007 garage next door for at least two weeks afterwards. I saw the still blood-soaked interior with my own eyes.
I wholeheartedly agree with your post. No one should make a single nickel for managing the CPD Memorial--strictly volunteer. To do otherwise is a slap in the face to our fallen comrades and the Gold Star families.
May God bless...
Patrolman KENNETH G. KANER
EOW: Friday, June 19, 1970
7400 S. Union Avenue; one point-blank shotgun blast to the head.
On a side note, if, indeed, anyone ordered the CPD to "stand down" to the Fillmore officers' 10-1 at California & Madison last week, the boss(es) should be burned at the stake as traitor(s).
George Sims is still spinning in his grave.
Geeez,you guys are slow learners.It's been a shakedown from the get go.I remember PO's at 35th whining about this.In some(all?)units they were told in no uncertain terms you WILL "donate".And I'm the only one thats heard of a skim job with this fund?Seriously ,did any of you kids know anything about Chicago,politicsor the history of the CPD prior to taking this job?
Cline "made" Murphy, I believe Phat Phil and Murphy's father were best of friends.
At any rate, we're donating our hard earned money (of which I have no problem if properly utilized)for a Memorial that Cline oversaw for free, pre-retirement. Why, now is he being paid with funds I have donated for the Memorial?
If the Memorial is truly that important to him, why can't he donate his time as we donate our money. In thirty days, if this is not addressed, I will cease my monthly donations, and urge others to follow suit.
I don't intend to "donate" any of my money to further fill the pockets of Phil Cline!
Didn't we have an exempt member indicted and conviced only two years ago for misappropriating money that was suppose to go to the gold star families, or am I mistaken?
Yey, I do not believe for a minute that Sup. Cline has anything but the very best intentions. I do believe there should be full public disclosure of the budget of the fund to settle the issue and keep the contributions coming.
8/13/2007 12:02:00 AM
I Second That. Let's make sure everything is on the up and up.
I dont see a problem with merit loving idiots paying for licking sack, it will never be me.
Honorary Chairperson
The Chicago Police Memorial Foundation is proud have the Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley as the honorary chairperson of the Chicago Police Memorial Foundation Executive Board. Mayor Daley has been an avid supporter of Gold Star Family Park since it's initial dedication in 23 September 2000.
"...we must never forget the sacrifices these brave men and women made to protect the families and neighborhoods of this city..." Richard M. Daley,
Mayor :: City of Chicago
Fucin joke i take it we must have let him put his lies in the site to get the property for the memorial. i hate him. mr. one-way
;;DUH
Of course Murphy is proud to have Cline on board. Cline has been his clout daddy since he came on the job.
Before my comment gets bashed let me state that I too am a Gold Star family member. Why shouldn't Phil Cline receive a salary as executive director? The CPD Memorial Foundation has become a huge endeavor. They have moved beyond building and maintaining possibly the finest police memorial in the nation to taking their 'mission beyond the memorial.' They will now focus on giving back to the CPD family. Running a charity is a full time position that in this case deserves compensation. In no way is Cline being inappropriate here. With his creds he could have gone into consulting or hit the speaking circuit with less headaches and definitely much more in compensation. A lot more!
Phil is doing something that is near and dear to his heart and we should appreciate his passion. I couldn't think of a better candidate for this position. He's got LE background and he's made the connections that will bring in corporate donations. He is the man you want leading a police charity. Let's focus our energy on all of the other BS plaguing the CPD these days. Congrats PJC!
Murphy is a kiss ass. He strong armed us at the door asking why we werent having deductions taken from our checks.
I would of done the deduction thing if he didnt act like such an ass.
You should have been around in the old days when you didn't give (or try to give) blood at the commander's blood drive. It was remembered when you asked for anything.
The same for The United Way. If you didn't, the same thing.
I hope Phil doesn't take a huge salary, maybe he'll be a dollar a year man and be reimbursed for expenses. A 120K+ pension is plenty enough to live on. Especially when mine is 60K and I live down the street from him.
Murphy is a toadie of Clines'.
There is already a highly paid full-time professional fund raiser (Cline’s friend). I was contacted by a person desiring to make a very sizable donation last December. Heart in the right place & a last minute tax-deduction would’ve been good for them. Made numerous calls, left multiple messages. None were returned nobody was available. Wrong time of the year for fund-raising personnel to fall off the face of the earth. This thing was dirty from the beginning.
The spring of 2005 issue of the Chicago Polie Star has an article about the Chicago Police Memorial. Interesting back then there were SIX members listed as the executive board not a boss or CPD member among them. I don't believe any of them received a salary for their time. The article makes no mention of the Memorial funds being used for disabled officers just to be used to create a memorial to honor the lives and memories of our fallen and "providing support and assistance to their families."
Now two years later after Fat Phil became involved the Memorial has become a business that uses "strong arm" tactics as one of the ways to get "donations." As was said before let us see an accounting of the monies given to the fallen's families for support and assistance. Also let us see the monies given to the disabled. The Memorial's newsletter shows that a whopping .5% of the money $21,000 has been used for "awards/assistance" but 13.9% hundreds of thousands of dollars has been paid out for "fundraisers/events." These figures are current up to 12/31/06.
Knowing Fat Phil's history of fairness when it comes to handing out discipline or reward it will be interesting watching which disabled officers receive assistance from the Fat Man and the Memorial Fund. Probably fair to say that guys like Domagala and Airhardt won't be seeing any big checks while they rot in nursing homes. Well we have no one to blame but ourselves because we are members of the CPD and we know how corrupt, inept and basically fucked up our department is and we still donate. What a disgrace that such a nobel cause has been corrupted by the likes of Cline and those around him when they realized there was money to be made. Maybe more of a disgrace that we, comrades of the fallen heroes, have let this happen.
I am glad that someone finally brought this up. I always wondered why there was such close ties between the credit union and the Memorial Fund. Look at the list of retired CPD that silently moved over to the payroll of the credit union. How many former FOP employees are now working at the credit union? How long will Cline be there? Who will he report to? Does he have a contract? Who decides the compensation? Once he leaves this job, who makes the decision to hire the next person. Too many questions for what should be a feel good charity.
It's time for the cops in this city to rise up against the evil regime of corruption and impropriety. The brass must be replaced! A committe of public safety should take its place running this department. The animals will no longer hurt the innocent! Rise up my friends!!!
8/13/2007 12:52:00 AM
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God Bless you and your Family...
Michael Murphy is a kiss-ass schmuck that has had his head so far up Cline's ass, for his whole career, you are not sure where one starts and the other ends.
As a Gold Star Family member and Chicago Police Officer this was my concern from the very begining of this endeaver. It is unfortunate that I too am cynical about some peoples motivations about this park honoring our fallen.
I have personnally seen some people involved use this as a way to advance their own agenda. I question their sincerity. These people are truly classless. There is no greater dis-service to our fallen then to use this Park as a way to benefit career wise or financially. Please, do not benefit from my fathers murder.
I have always felt that the best way to honor our fallen is to make sure their killers stay behind bars. Sixteen convicted cop killers come up for parole. Some everyear, like my fathers and some every three years like Severin and Rizzatos. Make sure you sign petitions or write your own letter to the Prisoner Review Board. Also don't forget those that support the release of these individuals. We have a Congressman, a Alderman, a County Commissioner and others. They are not our friends.
Another way to honor the fallen is to learn how they died and try to prevent it, if possible from happening again. My father was killed in the 7th district while filing out a missing person report under a street light. Five offenders approached and one shot him in the head with a sawed-off shotgun, blowing the right side of his head off. He was in a one man squad car. This incident catapulted the drive to end one man squad cars. Today, one man squad cars still exsist. The Union fought for the end of it and an officer had his life taken to help create it.
I truly hope your allegations are not true. I don't think anyone should financially benefit from my loss.
I was five years old at the time of this incident and remember that day like yesterday. A detective sat at the end of my bed, in the early morning hours, to inform me of my fathers fate.
I wish no child or spouse to ever have to go through this horror, but that is not a reality. Please stay safe, your family needs you
Well said Kurt!
Who initially started the proceedings that went from an idea to a brick and mortar reality?
Who made it happen?
Give Cline some credit guys..
Everything costs money if you care to sustain and maintain it.
To watch such an important symbolic effort deteriorate to an eyesore would be a travesty to all those it remembers.
8/13/2007 12:35:00 AM brought up a very good point and I agree.
Word is Antoine Walker isn't as innocent a victim as he is being portrayed. There is video evidence of him hanging out with his offenders days before they robbed him. The target of the robbery was the drugs Walker had stashed in his house. Of course, Walker failed to mention this loss from the heist.
You guys are right about the strong arming of funds for the Memorial Park. I agree that some people involved used and are using this as a way to advance their own agenda. I too question their sincerity. Why?
Because the park is paid for and has been paid for a long while back. The maintenance of the park is paid for an additional 4 years. Not only have I bought T-shirts, mouse pads and other items, it was strongly (emphasis on strongly) that I make an automatic payroll deduction which I resented because there has been no disclosure of the funds already in the coffers, nor a valid reason to continue to take in funds to the degree we are being strong armed.
They haven't indicated any new expenses or widely advertised that they would be helping the families of these fallen officers. Where is the money being spent? How much is there and why isn't it publicized in the FOP newletter or on the blog where other propaganda is disseminated?
You are right, over the past couple years the focus has definitely NOT been on honoring our fallen heros but on fundraising for an unknown goal.
Charities seem the most ripe places for fraud. I personally don't feel comfortable with those who strong armed us running it, let alone getting paid. It looks like they set it up as a job for themselves, regardless whether that was their intention. It looks questionable for certain.
Accosta was caught by the Feds taking money that was earmarked for the Memorial fund. And the only reason he was caught was he was taking and receiving phone calls from a prison inmate John (Quarters) Who is a mob guy. Cline know about Accosta and called him to give him a heads up to resign. Accosta left and was paid over 150 thousand in overtime along with other Benefits. If you think this Memorial fund is legit keep giving, However I will not give a penny as I know its a slush fund. believe me when I say our guys are spinning in the grave knowing how they are being used This dept sickens me.
Really This dept has raised Millions yet the land was free. Once again we are fools.
Are they bringing in that much money that they can have a paid position to manage the park? I mean don't get me wrong if they are paying Phil lets say 20 grand a year but he can bring in 100 grand in donations thru his connections then its well worth the money. They have a hole list of people on the honorary committee but that doesn't mean they are actually managing anything just a name on a plaque. They need someone to run the day to day operation.
t is a paid position per Michael Murphy of the Memorial Fund. Call him and ask him - I did and he's "proud" to have Cline on the Board.
Then they are all thief's. ask Maggie Daley how much she bring in each year working for non profit groups (scams) about 250 thousand.
This is similar to money laundering. Bosses make their friends meritorious and then expect favors later....previous post states MM is happy to have PC at a paid position. Im sure he and other supervisors owe him a lot and are now returning the favor for many years to come in sooo many ways we cant imagine.
(Wink wink PC)
Just like narcotics where PC came from. All the members of narcotics know they must pay to the memorial fund, pay to political fund raisers, pay outs to reverands and pay for promotion parties to keep their take home cars that they never really need off duty. The DEA gives the CPD handouts off wires and when 5 kilos is too small for them all the time. I love when a commander gets in front of a camera and says "The CPD developed information" MY ASS!!!Who is the CPD kidding?? But if an officer pays $300-$400 a year for this nonsense, they know they will reap the benefits of a take home vehicle which is worth at least $6,000 a year (car note, gas, insurance). And they all have the balls to drive their kids to school and shop in a company car. I know reverands who have made phone calls to the exempts so "their guy" can have that special car in the UNIT, regardless if they are a worker or have little time on the job. Pam Zekman, sit in front of any catholic school in 016 this September and watch how many "M" plates drop off their kids, and how many covert cars are doing the same but know they never be caught. The corruption will never end. Who is gonna stop it?
Look, some of us have gotten soo cynical about EVERYTHING, that we cant just contribute to a memorial fund without questioning why we do it. Thats sad, maybe its time for those of you to move on. Im the first person to question whether or not money goes to the right places in gov't and in private sector, but as a police officer i still like to believe that WE are better than that and I do believe Phil Cline is a good person. I dont automaticaaly hate a guy just because he is or was a white shirt. Grow up guys, Im a blue shirt, have been for 10 yrs but just because i havent been promoted it doesnt make me believe that EVERY boss is an asshole or has some alternative intentions when doing things. A copper in my district said, "you know this jagoff cline has fired more coppers than ANY other supt.?" Ok so what? There are 13,000 police and probably at least 2k -2500 that SHOULD be fired. Medical abusers and mutts. I dont want to work with those people and I cant for the life of me figure out why any honest working copper would?
If one had to contribute to the Memorial Fund to be considered for a meritorious promotion then that individual should take his evidence to Michael Shakman.
Any individual so-harmed would be eligible for compensation from the City under the court orders approved in Federal Court.
Where are the Unions when we need them to represent us?
What the hell good is that Memorial Park when You can't get to it without paying 20 Bucks to park your car and it is located behind a big ass ugly football stadium that makes architects puke!
I wanted to take my family down there to check it out and it disgusts me that I would have to pay for parking at any memorial that lines big businesses pockets and I had a better shot at parking in Lincoln park for free then I do down there at Solder Field!
The area just sucks!
The location is just terrible and the parking is abymisal!
I believe it is just a parking revenue generator for the City and their hooked up cronies!
They don't give a damn about the Police except for generating revenue for this crooked city!
"You need someeone to go out and solicit funds from the private sector (swore police cannot). Why not Phil."
I don't know where YOU'VE been but they have been soliciting funds from the private sector for several years now for the Memorial Foundation. You are wrong. We didn't need Phil to retire as Superintendent and take this job to raise funds from the private sector. Next reason?
Why isn't there a financial statement or an Annual report available just like annual reports that companies distribute to their stockholders?
Even Wal-Mart, one of the biggest companies in the world has an annual report yearly complete with financial statements, salaries of all Members of the board, expenses and all other pertinent financial data! It's even on-line for public viewing on the shareholder website!!! Check it out sometime!!
This is all mandated by the Federal Government and audited by an indepedent accounting agency to help prevent FRAUD and WASTE!
It is seems to me that there is alot going on behind the scenes of this Memorial Fund that we as members who have an interest and really care about should know about!
Hell, even the Pension fund puts out an annual report for all to see! I read it all of the time because it affects me and my future!
Would you put money in a bank without checking out the balance? I believe the answer would be NO!
What's wrong with getting an annual report from and about the CPD Memorial fund?
Why because they are hiding certain activites and taking care of certain people that's why!!!!
Think about that the next time you contribute to a fundraiser of any kind for this department and this city!!!!!
SMELLS FISHY and it ain't LAKE MICHIGAN FISH!!
There should be a public accounting of all funds brought in and spent on this memorial.
I do not have payroll deduction.
I do contribute.
I know that those that are involved in the collection/selling know who contributes.
I recall several recruits that tried to stop/change their payroll deduction because initially they were told by MM that it was a one time contibution. Only to find out later that the box they checked having $20.00 taken out was "Per Payday!" When they tried to change the deduction it went on deaf ears (report submitted to Unit 114 for four (4) pay periods. Finally, when they went to the FOP and complained it stopped.
Can you imagine how much mony has been and is continuing to be deducted from payroll each and every payday.
Where is the financial accounting?
Former Supt. Philip Cline already has a $140,000 pension for life. He is probably volunteering his efforts gratis.
Certainly, Mr. Cline would not take a salary. That would be an abomination
Why isnt all of this in Sneeds column????
How about creating a new "Memorial Park Police Department". Big salaries for bogus bosses and stars for sale to the highest bidder. Naturally the Fat Man will be "Super".
"And we really don't like that we have become so cynical that we could believe for a second that our dead could be used so callously, so thoughtlessly"--SCC
Believe it.
Since Supt. Cline is retired, doesn't he start collecting his pension now or is there some type of waiting period? Since many of you are having money deducted from payroll, aren't you receiving some type of quarterly or annual financial report(s)? That should be public and made available to you.
Perhaps if Supt. Cline were working on expanding the memorial and including various programs, etc for the disabled and more benefits for officers, then maybe I could see a small salary, contingent on the amount of donations.
But there are also reliable sources out here questioning the fundraising of this park. The person in question "someone" who did corporate fundraising but not with the CPD. When the POMCC and the Gold Star were trying to get corporate donations to build their parks around the same time, some are saying that someone was telling corporations that the POMCC and Gold Star were the one in the same and that was one park.
The POMCC were able to land donated donated but are having great difficulty getting any type of donations because of the above.
Hey moron! Re: Narcotics
You really show yourself up for the truly undereducated,dimwitted, whiner that your are.
Everything, EVERYTHING, you posted about narcotics is wrong.
Ask you mom for some warm milk, go back into her basement and get some rest.
OFF TOPIC:
SCC: This might be worthy of it's own thread.
According to a new survey published in USA Today, employers are planning an overall salary budget increase of 3.9 percent next year, unchanged from this year.
This barely outpaces the rate of inflation which has grown at 2.7 percent, in the last 12 months, ending in June.
Hellooooo City Hall and contract negotiators.
While prices continue to rise for electricty, gasoline, milk, real estate taxes and other necessities, the REST of the Country is lamenting about ONLY receiving a 3.9% salary increase, unchanged from last year.
What can we realistically expect to get, or have we ever received that even comes close to this figure? Why aren't these statistics used by the arbitrator who will most likely deermine our fate two or more years from now?
Hey Phil I'm on disability and haven't had a raise in years and with property taxes and the cost of living going up can I kiss enough ass to get some of the Memorial Fund's money because I'm broke and can't afford to live here anymore? Just thought I'd ask Phil, because you see Phil just common everyday disabled coppers like myself get treated like shit by the department and the politicians so I thought you being such a "stand up" boss who always loved us no clout coppers, would help me out and donate some of that fund money to a guy like me.
Now if this sounds bitter and full of hate to you who read it maybe it is, but if it is ask yourselves why that might be? Stay safe and healthy and take care of yourselves cause Phil, his fellow white shirts, the politicians and the mayor could in truth not give a shit about any of you and to them the Memorial is about money to be made and egos to be inflated.
SCENT OF IMPROPRIETY? come on, it smells like a DEAD RAT! His salary will probably be over $100,000 a yr plus a car plus an expense account. This is a joke as usual. I stopped my direct withdrawals from my payroll check this week due to hearing this.
Second its a shame that with all the money this City blows on bullshit contracts, paying rent and electric bills of illegal aliens and all the other waste with baby machines, that the public has to front the cost of a memorial to fallen cops. The same thing happened to the firemen. They only got a memorial after the movie Back Draft mad a mint and the company donated a ton of money for them. Screw Daley and this overpriced and over taxed City!
I've known Cline for a number of years, It can't be like that, it won't be like that. This was his baby. He's not a whore. No one else had done anything regarding a Police Memorial. Give him a break.
I will call and ask. I encourage everyone else to do so and if it is true,stop your payroll deduction ASAP. This is insulting to us and our dead.
Sergeant Mike Murphy #312-499-8899
Where is the media and Sneed on this one?
8/13/2007 06:41:00 AM
Mike Murphy forced recruits at academy to sign up for payroll deduction. Threats were made. He conned them into deducting more than a dollar per check. Some recruits wound up deducting $10.00 per check. Every recruit was forced to purchase a memorial pin. Pressured to buy t shirts and donate money. Mike worked the academy very hard. He worked for himself. Took all of the credit. I hope the promotion was worth it Mike!
Its all legit folks.
Mike Murphy is assigned to the Joint Terrorist Task Force. He works a lot of hours. The memorial was given to him by Cline. Thats extra and he has put in a lot of hours in it on his own time.
So give him a break too.
"I mean don't get me wrong if they are paying Phil lets say 20 grand a year but he can bring in 100 grand in donations"
You need to reverse those numbers Office, that would be Phil making 100g a year(at they very least) & the foundation receiving maybe 20gs a year thru his "connections.
I think I smell a Rat??
A BIG FAT RAT!
"I hope that the families of our dead can forgive those who are doing this to their memory."
Bob Gordon?
Anytime you feel like chiming in??
"As a Gold Star Family member and Chicago Police Officer this was my concern from the very begining of this endeaver. It is unfortunate that I too am cynical about some peoples motivations about this park honoring our fallen."
1st of all I thank your Father for making the ultimate sacrifice,& pray you live everyday in peace knowing all of us in Blue wish you only the best.
If this issue of gross impropriety is going to be addressed, it will take yourself & other Gold Star members to make such protestations known. God Bless
ITS UNFORTUNATE THAT....THIS MAKES SENSE!
"Didn't we have an exempt member indicted and conviced only two years ago for misappropriating money that was suppose to go to the gold star families, or am I mistaken?"
Don't goddamn dance around it MIKE ACOSTA, John Quarters Boyle Phone a Friend.
Stand Up guy, just like WILLIAM HANHARDT, JUST ONE OF THE MANY GOLD STAR CROOKS
You need someeone to go out and solicit funds from the private sector (swore police cannot). Why not Phil.
8/13/2007 06:24:00 AM
I was not aware that once you leave as a white shirt you can steal from dead police. Real Nice
"Grow up guys, Im a blue shirt, have been for 10 yrs because i havent been promoted, believe me that EVERY boss is an asshole and has some alternative intentions when doing things".
"I cant work with people and I dont for the life of me figure out any honest working copper?
8/13/2007 03:58:00 PM "
OK ASSHAT GET OFF YOUR KNEES, THAT WAS A GOOD SUCK I'LL MOVE UP TO ONE OF THE TEAMS NEXT PERIOD,
I PROMISE...
Before my comment gets bashed let me state that I too am a Gold Star family member. Why shouldn't Phil Cline receive a salary as executive director? The CPD Memorial Foundation has become a huge endeavor. They have moved beyond building and maintaining possibly the finest police memorial in the nation to taking their 'mission beyond the memorial.' They will now focus on giving back to the CPD family. Running a charity is a full time position that in this case deserves compensation. In no way is Cline being inappropriate here. With his creds he could have gone into consulting or hit the speaking circuit with less headaches and definitely much more in compensation. A lot more!
For every three dollars raised he will steal 2 dollars, one for Cline and one for Daley. Come on guys we know how this works. Our city is run by the mob. Don't forget about Daley's two brothers Big Business and cook county
HOLD ON HERE!
I am a veteran of this department, I have no clout, and still drive a damn beat car. Like most of you on this blog, I can't stand as we watch in real time as this job sink's into the ground.
HOW EVER! Phil Cline is the ONE, not you or me, that deigned, built, and contributed this memorial to both the fallen, the retired, and the current members of CPD.
Why on gods good earth does he have to EVEN ASK for any of you to donate a couple of bucks a month!
Strong arm, BULLSHIT!, it should be mandatory.
We can't stand together,and now when it is a tribute to you and your brothers you all damn him.
What a shame.
This is one contibution you should not have to be asked to contribute.
Its for us.
Phil is doing something that is near and dear to his heart and we should appreciate his passion. I couldn't think of a better candidate for this position. He's got LE background and he's made the connections that will bring in corporate donations. He is the man you want leading a police charity. Let's focus our energy on all of the other BS plaguing the CPD these days. Congrats PJC!
8/13/2007 10:37:00 AM
Not true if that was the case Phil Cline would have had a fund raiser for Joe Airhart. How about we take care of the living and not our own pockets Mr. Cline?
8/13/2007 03:58:00 PM
Couldn't have said it better myself.
For all of those who want to malign the name of Fr Nangle or Cline - get a clue. These men would give their blood, sweat and tears for this dept if asked. And most likely have in their histories. If Cline holds a spot as an exec board member - why shouldn't he be compensated? Separate your feelings from business, people.
I am pissed that I purchased a brick at the Memorial. The first time I went to see it, I could not believe that the bricks are not even engraved. They have some shit cheap PAINT on it. How much did that cost?? $1.00??? No disrespect to the fallen officers but I paid I believe $100.00 MY newborn will never even see our family name on the brick beacuse the next time an exempt brings his bimbo to the park, her high heels will kick off the last of the letters that will survive our horrible winters. WTF!!!!
Where did all the money go?? How long will all the names of the good people that made donations last???
They will be re-doing the bricks in a few years and it will have been a waste of money!
believe Phil Cline is a good person. I dont automaticaaly hate a guy just because he is or was a white shirt. Grow up guys, Im a blue shirt, have been for 10 yrs but just because i havent been promoted it doesnt make me believe that EVERY boss is an asshole or has some alternative
Take off the rose colored glasses kid. I have 28 years during that time I've scene a hell of a lot of corruption . truth be told, they never stop.
The only reason its now a "Family assistance" fund is because too much money was comin in. Don't ever doubt the generosity of a copper when the cause is good. Goal was attained. Move on. How about a fund to fix the broken benches we sit our fat asses on in branch 34-4 and 48-4. Who can I strong arm to get that done!
Dear SCC..........
I'm sure you read all the "opinions" as I have and thusfar, they remain opinions. I think if nothing else YOU should check this one out personally.
IF Cline gets renumeration, publish it AND the amount.
IF he volunteers his time, indicate such.
The Memorial salutes over 400 of our members that made the "Ultimate Sacrifice."
Let's base our opinions on FACT on this one and NOT on rumor posting.
SCC, ALL I ask is that YOU post the FACTS and let the chips fall where they may.
OUR Memorial is too important to be judged by opinion,rumor or innuendo. Please Sir/Madam, post your verified findings...
Thanks, Ol' Vet
why don't these fU$*i#g pricks just go the FU*K away once and for all after they retire. I'm sick and tired of seeing all these mopes get everything handed to them, time after time, while on the job, via the clout baby system, then their greedy asses still aren't content, they just have to have even more after retirement..
Feds, please subpoena and monitor everything involving this Memorial. Our fallen officers deserve more than to have this evolve into the typical Chicago 3 ring clout Circus.
RIP to our brother in Gary, killed in a crash going after dude who took his girlfriends car. She probably would have refused to prosecute anyway.
G-D bless him and his family...and his fellow officers.
I know reverands who have made phone calls to the exempts so "their guy" can have that special car in the UNIT, regardless if they are a worker or have little time on the job. Pam Zekman, sit in front of any catholic school in 016 this September and watch how many "M" plates drop off their kids, and how many covert cars are doing the same but know they never be caught. The corruption will never end. Who is gonna stop it?
I dont have a take home car but it sounds to me like you are a little jealous. why do you care so much? you sir are definatly one of the little whips that always got picked on at school and now you became the police to "show them" how tuff you are. Why dont you quit worrying about other people and worry about yourself. you know if you had a take home car you would be dropping your kids off at school on your way to work. whoever you are.....YOUR STILL A LOSER, go wear your gun and star when you cut the grass so everyone knows your the police....loser
This sounds horrible what an absolute tragedy if it is true. I will continue to donate becuase it is an honor to have a few extra dollars to contribute to such a worthy cause. The hardest thing for any of us to do is to give from our hearts without expectations of thanks or apprecition. I truely believe what goes around comes around and if anyone is wrongfully benefiting from our generousity and obligation to our fallen brothers, they will get whats comming to them. Evil reaps its own ill rewards.
God bless all of the police officers that gave thier lives for this thankless job and left behind loved ones.
This is an outrage,CLINE better not be taking one penny of our money. Everyone should immediately terminate their contributions to the police memorial fund.
The memorial is built and paid for,let it go and quit milking and stealing you bastard.
Ro Conn has his Canarbel Wagon Police Memorial Golf Outing,I have been trying to call in to let all the listeners know what a thief Phat Phil and cronies are.
I know reverands who have made phone calls to the exempts so "their guy" can have that special car in the UNIT, regardless if they are a worker or have little time on the job. Pam Zekman, sit in front of any catholic school in 016 this September and watch how many "M" plates drop off their kids, and how many covert cars are doing the same but know they never be caught. The corruption will never end. Who is gonna stop it?
Just another case of someone willing to rat on his brothers because he is not getting what others do. Must be from 025 3rd watch. WE do not have a choice, sometimes its a necessity to drop the kids off in a company car. So what? you would do the same thing unless yu are a moron and come from home, drop off kids, go home again, change cars, and then go to work. Its stupid, as you must be also.
MORE THE LIKE THE STENCH OF CHICAGO CORRUPTION.
8/13/07 10:14pm Your second paragraph hit the nail on the head.Why should we believe any different.It's the Chicago way
Memorial contributions mandatory for merit promotions? Impossible to prove! oh wait... subpoena the merit list for the past several years and look for memorial contributions. Compare that population with the general police population to see if it is statistically significant. One hour worth of calculations once the list is made public.
Is the list subject to freedom of information act?
Working the JTTF is a break!!!!
I'm cancelling my payroll deduction for the Memorial until this is all investigated, checked out 100%, and the whereabouts of all funds are disclosed to us.
Anonymous said...
Feds, please subpoena and monitor everything involving this Memorial. Our fallen officers deserve more than to have this evolve into the typical Chicago 3 ring clout Circus.
8/13/2007 11:47:00 PM
LASKI THE IDIOT CLERK IS NOW IN HALFWAY HOUSE WINDER WHO HE REVEALS IN HIS BOOK ALA ROBERT COOLEY STYLE! MAYBE DALEY? I PRAY THAT DALEY GOES DIRECTLY TO JAIL!
Look, some of us have gotten soo cynical about EVERYTHING, that we cant just contribute to a memorial fund without questioning why we do it. Thats sad, maybe its time for those of you to move on. Im the first person to question whether or not money goes to the right places in gov't and in private sector, but as a police officer i still like to believe that WE are better than that and I do believe Phil Cline is a good person. I dont
Stop the nonsense! they have been stealing from this fund and we all Know it. Millions and Millions have been collected yet no accountability. I was told two years ago, about this when Accosta was stealing from the fund that he was not alone. Strong armed big time.
Now if this sounds bitter and full of hate to you who read it maybe it is, but if it is ask yourselves why that might be? Stay safe and healthy and take care of yourselves cause Phil, his fellow white shirts, the politicians and the mayor could in truth not give a shit about any of you and to them the Memorial is about money to be made and egos to be inflated.
This officer is telling the truth if you get injured or become disabled in any way, you officer are fucked, yet those who are connected will be taken care of.
Anonymous said...
HOLD ON HERE!
I am a veteran of this department, I have no clout, and still drive a damn beat car. Like most of you on this blog, I can't stand as we watch in real time as this job sink's into the ground.
HOW EVER! Phil Cline is the ONE, not you or me, that deigned, built, and contributed this memorial to both the fallen, the retired, and the current members of CPD.
Why on gods good earth does he have to EVEN ASK for any of you to donate a couple of bucks a month!
Strong arm, BULLSHIT!, it should be mandatory.
We can't stand together,and now when it is a tribute to you and your brothers you all damn him.
What a shame.
This is one contibution you should not have to be asked to contribute.
Its for us.
Phip Cline does not tell me how to spend my money period. You sir should be ashamed of yourself if you truly have time on this job (I do ) then you should know what have been going on throughout the years. I myself put nothing pass these crooks.
Mike Murphy is assigned to the Joint Terrorist Task Force. He works a lot of hours. The memorial was given to him by Cline. Thats extra and he has put in a lot of hours in it on his own time.
So give him a break too.
8/13/2007 09:33:00 PM
Bullshit he comes and goes as he pleases. NOT TRUE
For all of those who want to malign the name of Fr Nangle or Cline - get a clue. These men would give their blood, sweat and tears for this dept if asked. And most likely have in their histories. If Cline holds a spot as an exec board member - why shouldn't he be compensated? Separate your feelings from business, people.
Fr Nangle don't get me started, Remember when he was crying that he only received 60 thousand a year from the cpd as such he wanted a new vehicle each year? Answer to Cline NO the memorial fund is not a business. Get a clue its wrong just wrong.
I dont have a take home car but it sounds to me like you are a little jealous. why do you care so much? you sir are definatly one of the little whips that always got picked on at school and now you became the police to "show them" how tuff you are. Why dont you quit worrying about other people and worry about yourself. you know if you had a take home car you would be dropping your kids off at school on your way to work. whoever you are.....YOUR STILL A LOSER, go wear your gun and star when you cut the grass so everyone knows your the police....loser
I think this guy was only saying it doesn't make it RIGHT. As a tax payer I would like to ask, you who the fuck are you. Special, I think not! Connected thief is what you are, your stealing from the rest of us. Try and justify your stealing. Coward
Anonymous said...
Mike Murphy is assigned to the Joint Terrorist Task Force. He works a lot of hours. The memorial was given to him by Cline. Thats extra and he has put in a lot of hours in it on his own time.
So give him a break too.
8/13/2007 09:33:00 PM
OK MIKE STOP IT! WHO YOU BULLSHITTING KID? JTTF? COME ON ASSHOLE DO YOU OR ANY OTHER CLOUT KIDS EVEN WORK A 20 HOUR WEEK? TAKE HOME CARS NO BOSSES? WTF? THE JTTF WE HAVE IS SO INCOMPETENT JUST LIKE YOU MIKE YOU HAD YOUR HEAD SO FAR UP EVERY BOSSES ASS THAT IS WHY YOU WERE MADE AND LOL YOUR ONLY A SGT ASSWIPE! MIKE I TOLD YOU NO! TO YOUR EXTORTION ATTEMPT AND STILL SAY NO!
Cline should take one last honest look at himself and at all of the things that he has caused issue over then just go away and stay away
Anonymous said...
"I hope that the families of our dead can forgive those who are doing this to their memory."
Bob Gordon?
Anytime you feel like chiming in??
8/13/2007 09:35:00 PM
Unbelievable- Who the Hell are you to call out Gold Star family members BY NAME? Monitored or not, this site is out of control.
To the asshole above who claims to be a part of the gold star family, you sir are stupid! I cant belive you have the balls to even write something that stupid. I am going to stop my contributions immediatly! I was going to purchase another brick(which would be 3) until I read your ignorance. Phil Cline has no right to collect a paycheck from the memorial! NONE! Im glad you brought this to my attention that the memorial has so much money. I promise you I will never give another dime.
"This is one contibution you should not have to be asked to contribute.
Its for us.
8/13/2007 10:15:00 PM "
Precisely, But what for the numerous posters that have substantiated incidents of strong-arming.
Are you calling them LIARS??
why shouldn't he be compensated? Separate your feelings from business, people."
That cuts both ways my friend. Most if not all folks would believe a 150g per year retirement salary would more than adequately compensate him, in order to donate time to such a worthy and noble cause.
Besides isnt the Memorial a Non for Profit entity?
8/14
6:05am
You gotta be shittin me. You accuse this p.o. of being a "rat" and from 025 because an asshole like you finds it a "necessity" to use a department car for your personal shit? Hey asshole I'm disabled from this job not by choice how about I get a fucking car to run me back and forth to the doctor's office? How about I get you to at least pay for my prescriptions because the city won't honor the contract. Maybe us disabled p.o.'s get shit on because of prima donna assholes like you who use up our tax dollars running your kids to and from school on department gas and department time. You one way piece of shit all I want is a fucking cost of living increase more than once every ten years while some clout ridden, ass kissing, dick sucking piece of shit like you calls yourself a copper and sits here bitching about the "necessity" of dropping your kid off so you won't be inconvenienced using your own car. And SCC and the rest wonder how people like Cline and the assholes on this job can steal from the Memorial Fund. Well assholes like this on the job pretty much gave you the answer as to what type of one way people we have on the job nowadays. Do all of us a favor and never use the term "brothers" when you dare to refer to the real honest p.o.'s out there doing the job who are sick and tired of people like you. You are not their "brother" the copper working 3rd watch in 025 is.
Anonymous said...
"I hope that the families of our dead can forgive those who are doing this to their memory."
Bob Gordon?
Anytime you feel like chiming in??
8/13/2007 09:35:00 PM
"Unbelievable- Who the Hell are you to call out Gold Star family members BY NAME? Monitored or not, this site is out of control.
8/14/2007 02:58:00 PM "
Mr. Gordon has made numerous eloquent posts on this site & the great things the foundation in his sons name have done.All of Us are fortunate to have someone in the face of adversity undertake such a worthwile cause.
Befroe you are so quick to blame,No one was casting anything diaparging only inquiring any concerns he may have ?
Off topic, What female p/o from 10-2nd watch failed the drug test and was just stripped?? Anyone?
SO IF THE FUND IS GOING TO HELP COPPERS NAME A COUPLE AND TELL ME WHAT THEY GOT.
I SEE METTE HAS TO SELL SHIRTS AT THE ACADEMY.
MAY BE THE FUND AND THE FOP ARE PLANNING A BIG FUNDRAISER FOR METTE.
KEEP DREAMING
why don't these fU$*i#g pricks just go the FU*K away once and for all after they retire. I'm sick and tired of seeing all these mopes get everything handed to them, time after time, while on the job, via the clout baby system, then their greedy asses still aren't content, they just have to have even more after retirement..
8/13/2007 11:37:00 PM
Such as Little Tommy Byrne He retired 4 years ago and is still sucking of the system, He did the cover up for Daley as far as the stolen material from the trucks. What a good job he did, next his daughter who is not the police will be promoted. Real Legit boys and girls.
HOLD ON HERE!
I am a veteran of this department, I have no clout, and still drive a damn beat car. Like most of you on this blog, I can't stand as we watch in real time as this job sink's into the ground.
HOW EVER! Phil Cline is the ONE, not you or me, that deigned, built, and contributed this memorial to both the fallen, the retired, and the current members of CPD.
Why on gods good earth does he have to EVEN ASK for any of you to donate a couple of bucks a month!
Strong arm, BULLSHIT!, it should be mandatory.
We can't stand together,and now when it is a tribute to you and your brothers you all damn him.
What a shame.
This is one contibution you should not have to be asked to contribute.
Its for us.
NO NO! Shame on you. They need to be accountable for those funds.
The right questions to ask are HOW much has been collected so far???Grants,pins,T-shirts,"donations"???Getting a pretty acurate amount shouldn't be hard if this is legit.Then get a figure on whats been spent,and future estimated costs.If millions are unaccounted for,we've got a big problem.Really,this should be pretty easy info for a NON dept.member's attorney to get.
Oddly enough, I was at the Memorial this past Sunday. I was kinda surprised that the Honored Memorial Wall had been damaged under the direct gaze of a blue light camera. These guys have NO FEAR of the police.
And take this for what you will but the "Honoring the Career of Phillip Cline" brick is EXACTLY dead center of the Memorial Bricks. I'm sure that was all-on-the-up-and-up luck of the draw kind of thing, right?
Yeah, right. Better buy lottery tickets if you believe that.
To the poster that defended officers using their take home cars for personal affairs (dropping off kids at school), F.U.
You did not defend that you willingly pay for political fundraisers and promotion parties to keep that car. $200 in donations for a $6000 car, do the math. Your comments justify that the city is corrupt, and as long as YOU are getting the benefits, screw everyone else. Gas for the rest of us $3.50 a gallon.There is no monitoring of take home cars because everyone that has one is connected and woun't be screwed with.
Your only response is that any complainers are jealous. No, if you are using your vehicle for shopping and taking care of your family, you are stealing. You are a THIEF!
The right questions to ask are HOW much has been collected so far???Grants,pins,T-shirts,"donations"???Getting a pretty acurate amount shouldn't be hard if this is legit.Then get a figure on whats been spent,and future estimated costs.If millions are unaccounted for,we've got a big problem.Really,this should be pretty easy info for a NON dept.member's attorney to get.
I gave cash at different times. I wish I had given a check. I also know numerous officers that gave cash.
Anonymous said...
To the poster that defended officers using their take home cars for personal affairs (dropping off kids at school), F.U.
You did not defend that you willingly pay for political fundraisers and promotion parties to keep that car. $200 in donations for a $6000 car, do the math. Your comments justify that the city is corrupt, and as long as YOU are getting the benefits, screw everyone else. Gas for the rest of us $3.50 a gallon.There is no monitoring of take home cars because everyone that has one is connected and woun't be screwed with.
Your only response is that any complainers are jealous. No, if you are using your vehicle for shopping and taking care of your family, you are stealing. You are a THIEF!
8/14/2007 10:49:00 PM
True but some of the take home cars are rentals that we pay for, and they use them for everything from taking kids to school to shopping! HERE IS AN IDEA MAYBE WE SHOULD POST UP DATES TIMES AND PLACES AND OBSERVATIONS OF THE CLOUT BABIES AND HOW THEY USE CARS FOR PERSONAL USE! YEA I KNOW SOMEONE WILL SAY WE ARE JEALOUS NOT REALLY AS I REFUSE TO PUT ME HEAD UP AN ASS AND SMELL LIKE SHIT!
Anonymous said...
"I hope that the families of our dead can forgive those who are doing this to their memory."
Bob Gordon?
Anytime you feel like chiming in??
8/13/2007 09:35:00 PM
"Unbelievable- Who the Hell are you to call out Gold Star family members BY NAME? Monitored or not, this site is out of control."
8/14/2007 02:58:00 PM
"Mr. Gordon has made numerous eloquent posts on this site & the great things the foundation in his sons name have done.All of Us are fortunate to have someone in the face of adversity undertake such a worthwhile cause.
Before you are so quick to blame, No one was casting anything disparaging only inquiring any concerns he may have?"
Spin it however you want to- the bottom line is- it's bullshit to call him out BY NAME. His posts should be his choice. Not in response to someone asking him to "chime in".
I would be embarrassed to bad mouth people in writing, to their face, or even in my own mind. This just proves how weak and jealous you really are. It is ashame how much effort and negative energy you are wasting. Why don't all of you so concerned put that energy into volunteering with the Memorial Foundation so you can see firsthand how things run. Whatever you don't see fit, you can then change. Oh wait, that would actually require way more work than bitching and crying. As for all of you strong armed....you should also be embarrassed to even admit to that. How small and weak are you that you felt obligated to give to an organization that you felt was not worthy. The last time I checked....the people begging for contributions aren't all that tough. I give Sgt. Murphy and others like him credit for having to beg for funds. If they have to kick it up a notch (because people really don't care about their fellow officers) and do what you call strong arming....good for them. Thank goodness all of you weak officers have this big strong blog to keep you safe from strong arming by those bullies!!!
to all the posters about the take home car thing...i think what the original poster is trying to say is that there are way too many people with take home cars that don't need or deserve them. it is very disheartening that a working copper can go his whole career making numerous noteworthy arrests and never even get out of the patrol division due to poor test taking ability. yeah yeah yeah, i know, if you study...you do well...right ? FUCK YOU !!!!! there are far too many employees of the police dept. (can't call them all police because you know they have never made a decent arrest) who get what they want, when they want because of who they know. I studied in one of those highly touted groups and i did o.k. not great...just o.k. i would put my arrest numbers up against any of these clout kids and lets see who may be more qualified. i also think that it is bullshit that being the kid of a high ranking boss of the department(who probably is in that spot due to clout and not their police work) is qualification to be made a detective, sergeant, lieutenant...and so on. so, if you truly earned and deserve your take home vehicle...drop the kids off at school. if you are 1 of these clout hacks who has never done a day of policework in your career...i hope that you never get in a crash with a non-department member in the car...oh yeah, you have a car and clout, nothing will happen to you anyway.
Thank-You SCC,
Watchdog of the working police everywhere!!!!
We are sick of this BS
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