The First Contract Violation?
Let the games begin:
- Hey SCC!Just wanted to give you a heads up in case you haven't heard...I got a call from a friend who works down at the academy. Apparently, today all the instructors (not just the gym instructors, classroom too) were called down to the gym to have their body fat measured. I guess they are being told if they don't get meet a certain standard by a given date, they will be launched. I know this sounds crazy, and an obvious contract violation, but it's absolutely true. I'm told there have been numerous calls to FOP already, so if you may want to verify it with them. Sounds like our new body-builder supt. won't be waiting until Feb 1st to begin making some changes...
Can this be true? Let's hear from come Academy people!
Obviously, many positions at the Academy are filled by people detailed in from other Units, so there is no expectation of keeping your spot once a new boss comes in. However, using an arbitrary and capricious grading system like this is a hell of a way to start making your mark as a so called "reformer."
Now if he puts his personal-trainer wife in as Deputy Superintendent of Physical Fitness, we'll know for sure he's bought into the Chicago clout system.
UPDATE: It says "rumors" in the tag folks. We're asking for info in the post. We know as little as you in this case. What better way to verify or debunk the story? The Flagg story is turning out to look true. Who knows what this one will look like in a day or so?
Obviously, many positions at the Academy are filled by people detailed in from other Units, so there is no expectation of keeping your spot once a new boss comes in. However, using an arbitrary and capricious grading system like this is a hell of a way to start making your mark as a so called "reformer."
Now if he puts his personal-trainer wife in as Deputy Superintendent of Physical Fitness, we'll know for sure he's bought into the Chicago clout system.
UPDATE: It says "rumors" in the tag folks. We're asking for info in the post. We know as little as you in this case. What better way to verify or debunk the story? The Flagg story is turning out to look true. Who knows what this one will look like in a day or so?
posted by SCC at 5:00 PM
137 Comments:
No one was called down to get their body fat measured. There is a new fitness program that is in the early stages of being developed. Don't get your feathers in a ruffle. If you can't fit into the impala you still have nothing to worry about.
I'm calling Bullshit! I work at the academy and no one has approached my 400lbs. ass for weighing. And if they don't I'm suing the dept. for discrimination. Fat people gots to eat too.
As long as they are given the chance to comply with the fitness requirements what is wrong with the policy. Other assignments have fitness requirements so why not there. You lead by example so some fatty should not be a fitness instructor just because their clout got them the spot.
I'm sure when you have a cushy Federal Job and no Kids there's plenty of time to work out.
Having worked on a Federal TF I can tell you that the US Attorney and and the FBI have time to burn because they aren't in a hurry to do much.
Work 60 to 70 hours a week, go to class and try to spend some time with your Family and see how hard it is to work out. I love to go to the gym but when I have to decide between Family, Sleep and a Exercise guess which one comes in last.
just wait, its only a matter of time before we are all taking an annual power test...
It's a fat assessment for new recruits before they can graduate. Quit believing all the rumors.
Good thing Phat Phil got out when he did!
Will Ann Egan be measured?
Dont worry FOP will be fighting for us! LMAO!!!
Yeah, and we got rectal exams and free ice cream!!!
If anyone needs to get in shape, it's 4-miles around Midway Airport. Come and join us over here to run a few laps... :P
i dunno about the free ice cream & rectal exam... sounds suspect to me. any idea what flavors?
MT has tossed people out of 124 because he did not think they projected the image he felt required to be a trainer, and of course here at CPD image is everything! Auctual skill, well, who really cares?
Hey SCC,
Truth is the Department has introduced into contract negotiations a mandatory physical fitness testing. Of course this requirement will be grand fathered in and most of us overweight & out of shape coppers won’t have to sweat it. The incentive; extra vacation time, a ribbon and a certificate to hang on the wall. Also, maybe some weightlifting time during the week to work on those six pack abs. What happens if you don’t make it. Well...no promotion, no duty availability, no tuition reimbursement , no special treatment! If you don’t use it, you lose it.
There is a VERY large police (former, he was fired)officer in Bellevue Ne who is contesting his dismissal; he was dismissed because supposedly he could not perform his duties; one thing they cited was that he could not rise from his knees to a standing position without pulling himself up on the furniture.
Yeah, and we got rectal exams and free ice cream!!!
1/11/2008 05:41:00 PM
It's not ice cream. Go ahead taste it.
if he assigns his wife as physical training deputy, at least she would have some experience in the field by being a personal trainer. unlike our current exempts bossing around P.O.s even though they were never one themselves, they went straight to a unit.
i wonder if donahue can make the run?
Sounds like someone's trying to create the "Master Race" or the Master Police". Didnt work for the 3rd reich and it wont work here.
Anybody that knows Patrol understands that 10-15 years on a watch answering calls wears ya down.
Will Ann Egan be measured?
1/11/2008 05:40:00 PM
You REALLY have to be a jagoff to mess with this woman right now.
No truth to this at all. Relax and keep eating those Ho Hos, Goo Goo Clusters and Scooter Pies. All recruits are now getting physical fitness training every single day that they are in the academy.
Get your fat ass in shape, bottom line! You are an instructor at the Academy, your appearance should command respect. Get rid of the Cline look alikes. You at least got rid of the knee queen Wooten, so that is a start. Thats right, she just resumed her duties in 21. Yep
I hope they do place a stansard on my fat ass! they can pay for my membership to the gym of my chosing. Lets face it we could all use some exercise and some fitness. I,m holding off my membership till I see what they are going to do.
ok..so we now have to stand inspection everyday at roll call, but down the hall, all the front office people and CAPS people look like bums wearing their jeans...yeah this is another policy that makes sense.
I work at the academy. That absolutely did not happen. Not only did it not happen, but only officers who work in the operations section were called to the meeting because it had to do with a new fitness program for recruits. I love reading the comments on this one!
8 shootings in 007 district last night. ALSO PO GETS REDLINED . CAPT GIVES HIM 1 DAY . NEXT CAPT . PUTS HIM ON A LATER CAR AS PUNISHMENT, FURTHER GIGS HIM FOR FALSE REPORT FOR GIVING A ANSWER IN HIS TO FROM THAT SHE THINKS IS B.S. . NOW SHE ORDERS UP THE TAPE!!!!!!!!!WTF
Jody better watch it!!! He's FUCKING with the wrong department if he thinks he is going to just waltz in here and start throwing his SHIT around!! We'll definately send his ass packing if he starts any SHIT!!! Learn to relate to us JODY you ain't a FED anymore GOT IT!!
If there is such an requirement
(FITNESS) where can a person get a copy of same?
Lay off Ann Egan, Goof! She just lost her sister and her husband in the same week!
Have a heart.
i hope thats true
"Jody" what a name first off...
second this is CHICAGO #1 city for scandals. if you aren't game you will be in a few months..
third Daley runs the show
fourth bring back SOS
fifth you need to raise the residency
sixth i do think an annual power test would benefit everyone
we have so lard assess out there
seventh you better get to the FOP and open your ears
and most of all leave us the fuck alone or we will not do anything for your ass
think the power test should be mandatory for all sworn members. I'm almost 40 and can meet the standards for 20 to 29. We would get a lot more respect if we weren't a bunch of fatties.
To the insensitive asshole who keeps writing the Egan shit,please lay off. Maybe you haven't heard from the C/O book or read the daily bulletin. The woman just lost her sister and husband in the same week. Only met the lady once and have no comment on her. But this shouldn't be the time. Enough Weis nonsense to talk about if you don't have anything else to say. Or at least wait until after the funerals.
Start with Matt Tobias he is one Fat Marine Air wing wannabe!!! How can he be in charge and be so out of shape!! He gone Semper Fi!!
back off ann egan, she just lost her sister and husband within 2 days, i dont know the lady but i read the bulletins, so regardless of your feelings let s give her a break
The Academy thats a joke in and of itself. Look to see the first changes there by the new Supt. Rumor has it that an FBI bud will be taking it over at the end of the month.
Anonymous said...
i wonder if donahue can make the run?
1/11/2008 06:34:00 PM
I wonder if da mayor can make the run?
read your contract
ALL THE OFFICER IN THE ACADEMY VOLUNTEERED. NO BIDS
JUST LIKE SOS/TRU/TACT/GANG/NARCOTICS/CAPS/HQ
THEY HAVE NO RIGHTS.
THEY CAN SWITCH THEIR WATCH
CANCEL THEIR DAYS OFF
CHANGE START TIMES
AND NO THEY WOULD RECEIVE NO HELP FROM FOP BECAUSE THEY ARE UNDER MANAGEMENT RULES.
DO YOU REALLY CARE?
THEY ALL CAN GO BACK TO THEIR DIST. WHICH THEY ARE STILL LISTED ON THE SENIORITY AND MANPOWER NUMBERS. I GUESS PUSHING AROUND COLLEGE GRADS WITH THEIR TOUGHNESS AND STREET KNOW HOW CANT SAVE THEM.
CMON NAME ME A REAL POLICE OFFICER DOWN THERE TEACHING.
T ROE NOT THERE ANYMORE
This is a sincere attempt by Tobias to help instructors get in shape along with recruits. Nothing was mentioned of new boss. Rumors are flying. Body fat analysis is an extreme standard. He would loose a majority of experienced instructors. Not many officers are anxious to work at academy. Not the most popular unit in department. Take it slow MT.
The only meeting at the academy today was to inform everybody not to park in the east lot because the 012th dist will now park there because its lease ran out on its lot,yes you heard it right,the lease expired on the lot they use,JP you aint seen nuting yet.
Anonymous said...
think the power test should be mandatory for all sworn members. I'm almost 40 and can meet the standards for 20 to 29. We would get a lot more respect if we weren't a bunch of fatties.
1/11/2008 09:09:00 PM
I am 50 and meet the same standards! Get in shape for your own good, so you can collect many pension checks!
Congrats SCC! Just received February's Chicago Magazine and the blog was named one of the best 171 web sites in Chicago.
"Published behind a cloak of secrecy that allows for snarky commentary".
Keep up the great work in 08!
It is really amusing to hear of this shit from the academy and the directive from deputy Williams about minor infractions not being tolerated etc.
It's like they all are rushing to do what they think the new Supt. will like so they can keep their high paying jobs. fucking goddam suckhole phony baloney cock suckers.
Jody should dump the lot of them and start over. He can't do worse than the crew of suckhole political pricks running the department now.
Let's see, blue shirts didn't cause any of the recent major scandals but they will be the ones come down on hard to show who's boss. Give me a break.
Those first to wrap their lips around Jody's in-shape prick stand the best chance of becoming "yeah boss" suckhole exempts who get to stick around.
Half of the time I have left can be spent on the medical, I do not care one little bit about this bullshit. It is all amusing and entertaining to me.
MATT TOBIAS IS OUT. THERE IS NO REASON TO START ANYKIND OF NEW PROGRAMS, BECAUSE THEY WILL HAVE ALL NEW INSTRUCTORS. AND THAT'S A FACT. YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE HAND PICKED INSTRUCTORS BECAUSE MOST OF THE PEOPLE ARE FORMER SOS AND ARE TEACHING CLASSES THAT THEY HAVE NO CLUE ABOUT. THAT PLACE IS SO SCREWED ABOUT LOOK AT THAT NEW GYM. WHAT A WASTE OF MONEY. REHAB THAT UGLY BUILDING THAT IS ALL SCREWED UP. SELL THE PRIME LOCATION AND MAKE A NEW ACADEMY. FITNESS IS THE LEAST OF THE PROBLEMS. IT'S EASY THE CITY SHOULD GIVE A ALLOWANCE FOR OFFICERS TO EAT, OR MAKE A HEALTHY CAFETERIA FOR THE GUYS ON MIDNIGHTS ESPECIALLY WHO CANNOT EAT ANYTHING BUT DD. IF SOMETHING IS FREE IT USUALLY WORKS. BUT THE ONLY FAT THAT NEEDS TO BE CUT IS THE TOP BRASS WHO ARE A WASTE OF SPACE.
What a prick you are to be picking on Annie Egan at such a difficult time in her life. I grew up with her. She's a good person. Her baby sister and her husband just died and her older sister is very ill too. LEAVE THE LADY ALONE ASSHAT!
The First thing JP needs to get rid of is the "SEAT BELT MISSION". In 011 we have no cars available to take jobs or back you up yet, there are 2-3 cars down on a seat belt mission along with a sgt. We don't ahve time for a seat belt mission JP.. Get rid of it and let us handle the calls.
CMON NAME ME A REAL POLICE OFFICER DOWN THERE TEACHING.
T ROE NOT THERE ANYMORE
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Snelling
how about an incentive for those with college degrees--bachelors/master and above. offer some pay or promotional incentive for having the degree. a lot of police depts already do this. an idiot with a GED or a degree from calumet college shouldnt be on the same field as a masters from loyola or roosevelt or u of i
SCC,
In your post, you ask "What better way to verify the story?" Allow me to answer: Everyone knows someone at the academy. Pick up a phone and call someone down there. Why post bullshit when you really don't have to?
Additionally, once a rumor like this turns out to be false, take the post down. If their is no factual basis to the rumor, leaving it up serves no purpose other than inflaming members and inviting more BS.
Finally, the "trainer" jobs at the Academy are not protected in any way by our contract. If you are a fat and out of shape trainer, do you really think that the Department cannot remove you from the Academy? Truth is, they can. They just can't fire you. The contract has absolutely nothing to do with it.
What would be wrong with the city requiring its officers to maintain minimum fitness standards? The power test is pretty easy, no matter the age group. Measuring body fat might be extreme, but we don't have to look like disgusting slobs, either.
Looks like another flaming bag of dooty at the front door...........don't step in it.
On a serious note, SCC, you should really ban people like the idiot that took the time to fabricate this lie. People that start this crap (like that "Blockbuster SOS" bullshit) have no business here. They make everyone look bad, you included.
P.S. When is that Sergeant going to apologize?
If anyone needs to get in shape, it's 4-miles around Midway Airport. Come and join us over here to run a few laps... :P
1/11/2008 06:01:00 PM
I NEVER UNDERSTOOD WHY YOU FOOLS CHOOSE TO RUN AROUND 4 MAJOR STREETS (CICERO, 55TH, 63RD, CENTRAL) NOT TO MENTION THE AIRPORT ITSELF INHALING ALL THOSE FUMES WHILE YOU RUN. THATS GOT TO BE REAL GOOD FOR YOU.
Patrol is the wasteland of the CPD, almost all of the heavy work is done by Patrol. Patrol is the most visible element of the CPD,the most honorable,hardest working and most shit upon by everyone.
The culture of clout and elitism has made the honorable profession/duty of being assigned to Patrol a stigma within the CPD.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that if you are assigned to Patrol you have NO CLOUT. If you work midnights you are either a recruit,hustler,lazyass or a NO CLOUT.
Afternoons in patrol is the guys with a medium amount of time on or the consumate drunks or those wtih not enough time for 2nd and NO CLOUT.
Days in patrol is the oldtimers,BJ broads,clout babies and those with SOME CLOUT BUT NOT ENOUGH to go somewhere.
Tact/Gangs is now strictly the young and DUMB waiting to get fired or indicted. Used to be those who knew someone,worked hard and got legitimately rewarded or who had a friend/partner who pulled them over. Tact/Gangs is and always was the place for those with NO CLOUT who worked or thought they were taken care of,trust me on that one. Now they are doing reverse seniority to fill teams citywide.
Patrol is and will remain an honorable place because of the people who work there. Patrol is the INFANTRY/GRUNTS of the CPD,day in and day out they slug it out on the front lines and in t he trenches with no reward.
Patrol also comprises 90%+ of the Wall of Stars!!!!
MT, as a representative of TRU, we already comply to your standards of fitness and appearance and are willing to train any officer on how to look and be the real police. Semper Fi!
THE PROVSISIONS OF THE CONTRACT DO NOT COVER RECRUITS. THEY ARE SCABS AND ARE COMPLETELY AT THE MERCY OF THE CITY.
I would be all for making the POWER Test part of our contract.
If you don't want to get in shape for your own personal health, get in shape for your safety!
These thugs are getting out of the County and IDOC every day after years of doing nothing BUT working out.
"I know this sounds crazy, and an obvious contract violation, but it's absolutely true."
It is crazy and false asshat! Your friend just made you look like an asshole.
"think the power test should be mandatory for all sworn members. I'm almost 40 and can meet the standards for 20 to 29. We would get a lot more respect if we weren't a bunch of fatties.
1/11/2008 09:09:00 PM"
Yeah right "fatties" on CPD have nothing to do with why we are losing respect in this city. The only thing that would get respect back for us. Would be if we turn back the clock 10-15yrs when it comes to how we police and back each other up.
Whenever CPD wants to provide everyone with a local gym membership, a workout facility at the district/unit, and give me time during the work week for PT. They would actually have a leg to stand on when it comes to taking disciplinary action against P.O.'s for poor physical conditioning.
Actually the meeting was threefold:
1) to discuss the new fitness standards/training for recruits = pt five days a week, two days of arobics, two days of weight training and one day of cross training.
2) east parking lot now used by 012 - off limits to all others = so parking will be even harder over there.
3) Operations section people, sworn and civilian were asked to get in shape like the recruits.
They can work out on duty and also get analyzed by the gym staff as to body fat and diet. They were given several months to accomplish this.
Unfortunately, not only a contract violation but an EEOC complaint.
MT is trying to look good to the new Sup.
It looks like JW just thinks that people that look like Phil Cline are disgustingly obese and a horrible representation of the CPD.
Bodyfat under 21% or byebye
Off subject! Boys and Girls look at your deferred comp. I though I was leaving in April, I guess not. This fucking government along with Congress are do nothing pricks.
Lay off Ann Egan, Goof! She just lost her sister and her husband in the same week!
Have a heart.
Sorry was not aware
It's a known fact, fat people are discriminated against more than any race, religion or creed in the free world.
Be comfortable with the body God gave you, and for those of you who fit in the ideal norm quota, good for you! Congratulations you don't have chemical imbalances, hormone problems,heavy set heredity, food allergies, medication reactions, steroid dependent, movement restrictive arthritis, sleep apnea, metabolic disorder, anxiety, fears or depressions, etc.
Honestly no one really enjoys being ridiculed, discriminated against, embarassed, chastised or humiltated volunteerily.
Mr. Weiss may I kindly suggest a couple of ideas that will be effective in your endeavor as the Superintendent of the Chicago Police Department.
1. Changes should be made from the top down to impact the organization immediately.
2. Meet with the men and women of the department and get to know what your dealing with. Understand they are people just like you.
3. Go outside of the department for ideas but keep your ear to the street.
I wish you the very best sir. You are going to scrutinized at every decision but be admirable and lead by example. Also sir take the high road because as you might not know Mr. Daley will take the credit for your success and will keep you at a arms distance for any problems or negative ramifications as you being the individual in charge. Essentially it is a win/win for the mayor and trust me that $300,000 is pennies for what you will have to deal with. I wish you much success Mr. Weiss and please keep your troops safe, educated and don't be afraid to stand up for an officer if he did the right thing and the media is looking for answers.
Anonymous said...
What would be wrong with the city requiring its officers to maintain minimum fitness standards? The power test is pretty easy, no matter the age group. Measuring body fat might be extreme, but we don't have to look like disgusting slobs, either.
1/11/2008 11:14:00 PM
why give them anything?
CMON NAME ME A REAL POLICE OFFICER DOWN THERE TEACHING.
T ROE NOT THERE ANYMORE
1/11/2008 10:19:00 PM
Larry Snelling sir would beat your ass to a pulp. I don't think there are too many people on this department that could keep up with him. If you doubt me go to the academy next RDO and participate in one of his classes.
Instead of body fat they ought to check head fat at the school, at 35th St. and at exempt staff meetings. They might overload their circuts.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
MT has tossed people out of 124 because he did not think they projected the image he felt required to be a trainer, and of course here at CPD image is everything! Auctual skill, well, who really cares?
1/11/2008 06:06:00 PM
I just made detective and I think it is funny the way MT walks around the academy like he owns it, when he should be in jail.
my cousin was a G man fo rmany years with the Treasury Dept
he tells me that the company gives its employees 3 hours a week on company time to engage in some type of fitness related activity
Im sure some guys go to the elbow bending beer hoisting contests but most walk or work out or something for their 3 hours
Maybe Joe Dee will give the CPD the same deal.
Too bad Im retired
Commander Cheesburger could not drive let alone run the 4 miles around Midway.
I doubt that its either a contract violation or an eeoc violation to transfer someone who got to 124 by clout ( its a non biddable spot) back to a unit PROVIDED they dont do it for race religion sexual orientation etc.
If they want the gym staff to look like gym staff and the homerooom instructors to look like they spend their uniform checks on something besides their bar tabs, they have the right to do so.
Ive noticed many dept members whos appearence doesnt exactly command respect. It shouldnt be at the Academy.
Those not in compliance can be re assigned
I was once on vacation, told someone ( from Canada) that I was from Chicago and their comment was that Chicago Police are the ugliest in the world.
I kept the same pants size 34 for my entire career.
You can too
If this true,this is just Tobias trying to hang on to his job..Aint gonna work..
i haven't taken the fitness test, but, i do more than required of the 30-39 year olds about 4 days a week. it would be really nice to have my 1 hour workout mixed in with my regular work day. if they want to impose this supposed regulation, i would be at the gym 5 days a week. staying healthy and being paid for it...sounds like a winner to me !!
how about an incentive for those with college degrees--bachelors/master and above. offer some pay or promotional incentive for having the degree. a lot of police depts already do this. an idiot with a GED or a degree from calumet college shouldnt be on the same field as a masters from loyola or roosevelt or u of i
Fuck you and your degree.
New hires should have to pass a power test yearly... Grandfather in existing members at $1000/yr to pass. As far as a promotion, sgt. and above will be required to pass the power test along with the written portion to be promoted. Dont see too many fat-ass state troopers since they are required to pass the power test yearly.
Anonymous said...
This is a sincere attempt by Tobias to help instructors get in shape along with recruits. Nothing was mentioned of new boss. Rumors are flying. Body fat analysis is an extreme standard. He would loose a majority of experienced instructors. Not many officers are anxious to work at academy. Not the most popular unit in department. Take it slow MT.
1/11/2008 10:22:00 PM
SINCERE??? So the timing is a coincidence? New Sup comes to town, he obviously is a fitness guy, Tobias starts a fitness program. Here's some more sincere stuff;
1. Ralph Chiczewski gets a FED haircut and puts Gherri-curl in (just like the boss)
2. Maria Maher starts a diet and goes jogging.
3. Deb Kirby says EVERYONE is going to jail for kidnapping
4. Charles Williams says you must wear your Crown cap (even at home)
5. Tina Skahill brings home 12 stray cats
6. The Sup stopped suddenly and had to have Eugene Williams removed from his ass.
3) Operations section people, sworn and civilian were asked to get in shape like the recruits.
They can work out on duty and also get analyzed by the gym staff as to body fat and diet. They were given several months to accomplish this.
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Looks like I'll have to get lipo.
Jody better watch it!!! He's FUCKING with the wrong department if he thinks he is going to just waltz in here and start throwing his SHIT around!! We'll definately send his ass packing if he starts any SHIT!!! Learn to relate to us JODY you ain't a FED anymore GOT IT!!
1/11/2008 08:16:00 PM
You sir are a complete and total moron. Is that hair gel seeping into your brain and clouding it? And whats this "we" shit? You got a mouse in your ass?
how about an incentive for those with college degrees--bachelors/master and above. offer some pay or promotional incentive for having the degree. a lot of police depts already do this. an idiot with a GED or a degree from calumet college shouldnt be on the same field as a masters from loyola or roosevelt or u of i
What the fuck is this? Are you kidding me? Why should they pay you for your degree or masters? They already pay FOR it. I for one have NO time between work, kids, and kids activities to go to school. Hell sometimes I don't have enough time to get enough sleep. Why exactly do you think you deserve more pay for your education? If you were that valuable you would have a job in the REAL world making good money and not on this shit job. College does not make you better at this job. Maybe a better manager. If you want more money why don't you pass a promotional exam and earn the money that way? Jesus Christ another over-educated on the job! Hey boy, get used to it, your degree doesn't mean SHIT.
NEVER UNDERSTOOD WHY YOU FOOLS CHOOSE TO RUN AROUND 4 MAJOR STREETS (CICERO, 55TH, 63RD, CENTRAL) NOT TO MENTION THE AIRPORT ITSELF INHALING ALL THOSE FUMES WHILE YOU RUN. THATS GOT TO BE REAL GOOD FOR YOU.
Studies show that it is the equalivent of smoking 2 packs of cigarettes
I am not sure, but I have heard rumors that L.A. has physical agility tests 2x a year and that P.O's have to qualify with their handguns every 3-4 months. Anyone know?
to 5:40
Do you think you are being funny?Maybe you want to take your "funny" ass to Old St.Pat's and ask her. You might want to wait until after the funeral mass.You are what is wrong with this department....what a disgrace!
If you're at the academy you should be physically fit. You made your phone call and got assigned, so get your butt in shape!!!
First off, we are truly for your loss, Ann Egan.. We will keep you and your family in our prayers.
Second, I do agree with 1/11/2008 09:09:00 PM. The extra cash is ok especially for holiday expense, but also, you want to prove yourself that you can still measure up to the power test requirements.
And third, (..CMON NAME ME A REAL POLICE OFFICER DOWN THERE TEACHING.
T ROE NOT THERE ANYMORE.1/11/2008 10:19:00 PM). I'm not sure if PO Snelling is still the gym instructor, but, he's a real PO and in shape also. I heard good things about him when I was in 007th Dist..
Its about time some of you fat slobs get your shit together.
TOBIAS is FAT(Like to see his body fat%) and not the kind of person to be teaching Ethics or anything else. Thanks Mr.SOS Scandal. He knows nothing about training period. nHe was a do nothing in the marine resv. All his HRIs are from SoS Hockey Team and have all the screw up PPOs on the street. Just look at the last PPO former marine to be stripped for fighting. Who was his HRI? Hockey guy from SOS.
Get a new start and get rid of MAtt T and crew from corrupting the new recruits. Hello media and Supt-crunch the numbers.
Clean house and start with the Academy Staff!!!
Anonymous said...
how about an incentive for those with college degrees--bachelors/master and above. offer some pay or promotional incentive for having the degree. a lot of police depts already do this. an idiot with a GED or a degree from calumet college shouldnt be on the same field as a masters from loyola or roosevelt or u of i
What the fuck is this? Are you kidding me? Why should they pay you for your degree or masters? They already pay FOR it. I for one have NO time between work, kids, and kids activities to go to school. Hell sometimes I don't have enough time to get enough sleep. Why exactly do you think you deserve more pay for your education? If you were that valuable you would have a job in the REAL world making good money and not on this shit job. College does not make you better at this job. Maybe a better manager. If you want more money why don't you pass a promotional exam and earn the money that way? Jesus Christ another over-educated on the job! Hey boy, get used to it, your degree doesn't mean SHIT.
1/12/2008 08:23:00 AM
To much education to little brains! What happened you landed at cpd because you were a dumbass in school and studied bullshit? Maybe mr ."Jethro Bodine" you are smarter than us, we will just ask you! How about this incentive get fucked how you like me now!
..an idiot with a GED or a degree from calumet college shouldnt be on the same field as a masters from loyola or roosevelt or u of i
1/11/2008 10:58:00 PM
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Really? Are you fucking kidding me? I bet mommy and daddy paid for your college tuition. Just to remind you, scumbag, not everyone can afford tens of thousands of $$$ to get a college degree or cannot do it because some of us are juggling our time between our family and our job. I'm sure that you never had a real job while you were in "college". I also hate to think that you still live with your parent's ..
Patrol also comprises 90%+ of the Wall of Stars!!!!
1/11/2008 11:19:00 PM
AMEN Brother
Why now for the physical fitness standards at academy? They have instructors that scam everyday, leaving early and starting late. Instructors that have not been in a classroom for weeks at a time. Instructors that work out 3 hours a day but do not teach. Nice to have a 3 hour workout on company time, 2 hour lunch and leave early. No time to teach but looking good. Half of the officers at academy are effective teachers, other half hide. No accountability but he wants everyone to look good. Try enforcing uniform standards at academy, no blue jeans or jogging suits all day. A skinny, in shape instructor with blue jeans and t-shirt all day will not gain respect. Look at total package, MT. Not just fitness. Training recruits is the first order of business, not impressing the new boss.
1/12/2008 08:23:00 AM
WELL SAID!!!
Has anyone ever worked his/her ass off in a factory??
We have a great paying job. Quit complaining and enjoy what you got.
20 years and out is not a bad deal.
how about an incentive for those with college degrees--bachelors/master and above. offer some pay or promotional incentive for having the degree. a lot of police depts already do this. an idiot with a GED or a degree from calumet college shouldnt be on the same field as a masters from loyola or roosevelt or u of i
1/11/2008 10:58:00 PM
If you have a degree from Loyola or U of I and are on this job, you are a complete idiot. I can't believe that people waste so much money on a good education to do this stupid job. Your parents must be real happy about paying for that education.
how about an incentive for those with college degrees--bachelors/master and above. offer some pay or promotional incentive for having the degree. a lot of police depts already do this. an idiot with a GED or a degree from calumet college shouldnt be on the same field as a masters from loyola or roosevelt or u of i
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This requirement should have been grandfathered in. Many people got on this job before the education requirements. Yes, I am one of them.
Larry Snelling sir would beat your ass to a pulp. I don't think there are too many people on this department that could keep up with him. If you doubt me go to the academy next RDO and participate in one of his classes
Just cause the man is in shape, and every instructor should be since they are getting paid to work out multiple times a day, does not make him a great PO.
What did Snelling so that was so great BEFORE he got to the Academy?
He has been there 80% of his time o n this job
The Academy staff were told to shape up if they were going to teach recruits. I guess if he doesn't like their appearance, he can send them to a non-teaching spot or back to their districts.
Tobias is trying to implement a new policy of a fitness program for officers that will come on the job in the future; old-tmers can opt in if they want. It will require a fitness standard for the rest of their careers.
He also wants to implement that besides the state requirements for graduation, that body fat be measured because an "obsese" recruit will not be allowed to graduate.
If you start ganging up on the pudgy people, you will have a discrimination/EEOC beef filed. What's good for one is good for all. You cannot single out one section of a unit and tell them they have to meet a certain requirement.
Again start from the top and ask the fat; drunk sloppy exempts to meet the same requirements. They are a disgrace.
I don't see a problem with what he's trying to do; although I do not think it will happen.
Because if we run down the sidewalks, we'll get run over even when we looking for traffic that's turning and/or abiding by the lights. There are barely any patrol/cops here that have the time to sit and do traffic stops, etc. Do you know how dangerous it is to cross when we have the light at 63rd @ Central and various points throughout our enighborhood? There have been many pedestrians hit here that vary by ages from juvenile +
This city is extremely danergous to pedestrains.
I have to say this
the former superintendant always had a clean and pressed uniform and tailored suits
However he looked like a Greyhound bus with glasses and a mustache.
it was disgraceful to see his tubby ass on TV
So it wouldnt hurt anyone to lose a few pounds
btw: who is cmdr cheeseburger? i'm trying to type and laughing. some of you need to get into comedy
A P.O. I worked with many years ago went down to the academy to teach in the gym. When I saw him/her a few years later, it was apparent that he/she obviously didn't practice what he/she preached.
we really should be required to stay in shape, I mean wtf? We have enough fat fucks that are an embarrassment and look like lazy clowns when they get out of the car weighing 300lbs and cant even fit in a booth at lunch. You eat right and work out a bit, its not really fucking that difficult. Stop eating at all the fucking shitty grease pots or at least get a griled chicken sandwich. i usually never agree with the bosses but that is one policy i have always thought should be in effect since i got on this job. I mean why wouldnt u at least want to be in somewhat decent shape and TRY to be healthy? When one of these muscle bound guys that just got out of the joint decides he's going to fight with you or your partner, wouldnt u at least want to be able to hold your own until the cavalry arrives? i mean, if nothing else its a safety issue. I know i feel more comfortable going to a job with someone that can walk and maybe even fight a little if necessary than i do with a 350lb beast
all u guys that say u dont have time that BS. i have a family, work pt jobs and still find at least 1 hr to hit a treadmill and do a little weight lifting. There is time if u are willing, its not easy but i mean what the fuck is?
when will these overpaid exempts realize that the more they fuck with the good coppers and make it harder on us the less we will do? i dont understand how that makes them look good? i mean if a DC or WC or JP Jody comes in throwing this arrogant shit around, he will be out of a job soon enough. Eventually the BS will make him look like the fucking idiot. Bottom line is the blue shirts outnumber the white shirts by a lot, and the department only works if WE DO. Start realizing that and treating guys like adults and disciplining the guys that need it, not the ones that do a great job but forgot a fucking tie. Give me a break. get your heads out of your fucking asses u clowns
hey 1058pm if u are such a great college grad with a masters from Loyola then go do a different fucking job. just because your mommy and daddy had the money to send you to a good university doesnt make u any better than ANY one else here. Thats the exact problem with this dept, the college boys that dont know dick about the real world. i came from a large family and mommy and daddy couldnt pay for me to go to a big school, so i worked, went to a junior college, got on here and finished through calumet. sorry that s not good enough for u, but im willing to bet my IQ is much higher than yours, you lack common sense, and prob couldnt lift your fucking weight. So tell us what is it YOU offer college boy?
Idiots, it's not the young new academy recruits in pretty good shape already that need newfangled physical training, it's the officers who have been around awhile, 10 yrs. and up. Once again, a waste of the taxpayers money changing the wrong things in the wrong places.
I was once on vacation, told someone ( from Canada) that I was from Chicago and their comment was that Chicago Police are the ugliest in the world.
I kept the same pants size 34 for my entire career.
You can too
1/12/2008 01:36:00 AM
I think he was throwing you a shot,
but you were to dumb too realize it. I'm glad you kept your size 34
pants, but you could still be a fat ass wtih chicken legs. Which I suspect you are?
"I am not sure, but I have heard rumors that L.A. has physical agility tests 2x a year and that P.O's have to qualify with their handguns every 3-4 months. Anyone know?
1/12/2008 08:37:00 AM"
Don't know about the agility test. But the Firearms is right on. LAPD has a 92% hit rate in Police involve shootings. NYPD is 16%. Good ole CPD is 8%, that number is probably inflated a swell.
I think some POs need some serious type of intervention. Some of these POs are ridiculously huge!
I could careless if we have to take a yearly power test, but if that's the case. Please give us more then $250!
"I kept the same pants size 34 for my entire career.
Inseams don't change after Adults reach puberty. Funny that this is now an issue after our recent Supe the 400pounder has no left.
What a joke, Candy ass chicken shits wouldn't breathe a word about overweight people 9 months ago. No the high & mightys are struttn& squawkn, CPD=CHICAGO PIMP DEPARTMENT!!
From 124:
No, the original post is not true.
Yes, they are looking to increase PT time and fat standards for new recruits.
Yes, staff should present a positive image.
No, looking perfect doesn't make one a excellent instructor or copper.
No, the ADS is not going anywhere or being demoted.
Yes, coppers will always tear down their fellow officers and worry about what others have and are doing.
Yes, these same people will complain no matter if the entire job was legit and level.
No, the Department or city will not change. Aside from smoke and mirrors and some adjustments, the more things change, they will remain the same.
End the rumor.....
Finally! What's wrong with being fit? Of course I don't agree with having J-fed's wife on the job, but the time has come for us to leave the Dunkin Donuts figure,ie:Uncle Phil,behind us and live healthier lives. I too work 60/70 hours a week go to school and have kids, but when it comes to my workouts I make time. If he truly wants us in shape he'll allow us an hr a day(paid) for fitness time, like some clout units are allowed!
1/11/2008 10:36:00 PM
I agree 100%
Larry Snelling sir would beat your ass to a pulp. I don't think there are too many people on this department that could keep up with him. If you doubt me go to the academy next RDO and participate in one of his classes
AMEN! That man is a machine and a hell of an instructor. Not to mention a damn good guy. The rest are questionable but you only asked for one.
Larry Snelling WAS the Police in Englewood, and he's STILL the Police! If you think he's some half ass chickenshit, feel free to come to the Academy any day of the week he's there teaching physical fitness of defensive tactics/takedowns, and participate!
Don't forget to bring your own defibrillator and PPO card!
EVERY DISTRICT could use s few Snellings on each watch!
Anyone who fits the standards for being "clinically obese", and that would be around 50% of this department, should have their benefits payments doubled. Smokers should have their benefits cancelled by the City.
It's ridiculous that I pay the same amount for benefits as a 300 pounder who smokes and spends all night in a tavern after work! I know it would never happen...god forbid we discriminate against the criminally STUPID!!!!
All this talk about shape and a look of respect....LMAO. For what this department is headed no where fast. Besides your own health and the occasional scuffle. What kind of police work is supported by CPD that you need to be in tip top shape for?? I guess if i look great in my uniform/civilian dress the gangsters will just stop being confrontational. Then if i do confront some of the aggressive hostility that can be found for us out there. I can pull out my use of force poster and make shure i don't commit any minor infractions. Being in shape is for the working police and doing that today for this department can get you fired. So fuck off Weiss and all the rest who think this will bring more respect for us we ride around at work. Save the bullshit for the sun times. This would be used as propaganda for the smoking mirrors campaign this city loves to give through crimewatch and the media. Learn how to defend yourself so you don't get disarmed and get/stay in shape for you. Exempt why don't you all learn to stop letting the revs and media run this department before you tell us to run. Support the troops and we will support you.
Where is FOP?????
1/11; 10:58 PM
So you propose "an incentive for those with college degrees".
I disagree on two counts.
First, we must make the promotional process legit so our brightest people will outscore clouted nitwits.
Finally, whether you have a lowly GED or an Ivy League doctorate, the ultimate arbiter should be a standardized I.Q. test, not a sheepskin (or lack thereof).
So tell us what is it YOU offer college boy?
1/12/2008 12:49:00 PM
How about a cohesive, grammatically correct, logically sequenced sentence?
I agree with
1/12/2008 01:25:00 PM
Focus attention on street officers. Offer incentives for them to exercise and improve fitness. After graduation, recruits will loose fitness standards. Now we have to increase time recruits are in academy so accomodate the mayor's new fitness craze. Also, hiring has stopped. No recruit class since November. Next one due at end of Feb. We are not keeping up with retirements. But we will have fit recruits. WTF
"gramatically correct" ummm, i'm afraid not young man.
Snelling IS A GREAT GUY. I ran into him while on duty because someone tried breaking into his garage. he was great to us in the academy, and he was great to us while we responded to the call. he remembered all of us and most of us been out over 3 years.
Maybe Joe Dee will give the CPD the same deal.
Too bad Im retired
1/12/2008 01:26:00 AM Joey D. was a pompous bum with a huge hook nose. He used to drink Green River.
The next thing that will happen is citizens will be calling IPRA to report the "fatties" that respond to their jobs! HA HA... Silly Silly Silly
I am 350 lbs, and am afraid that after I retire I will not be able to realize my dream of being a Sumo wrestler...Who will I be able to sue for my loss?
Also I think that there should be a buffet table at every roll call. Lodge 7, please look into this...
Jody, lets meet for breakfast...
Come down on the Snelling ball sucking. No one ever said he was not a great guy and no one ever said he was not in shape.
All instructors at the Acad should be in excellent shape like him. They get paid to work out every single day multiple times by the nature of the position. That is a fact.
There are numerous people on this job in various positions who do not do shit but are still great guys, that is a fact.
What also is a fact and was stated but ignored is that he has spent more than 80% of his time in he Acad.
So what you are telling me is that the 3 or 4 years he was on the street he gained more knowledge on this job than officers with 20 years on the street the could be in the acad?
Anonymous said...
So tell us what is it YOU offer college boy?
1/12/2008 12:49:00 PM
How about a cohesive, grammatically correct, logically sequenced sentence?
1/12/2008 07:59:00 PM
DORK!!!
So what you are telling me is that the 3 or 4 years he was on the street he gained more knowledge on this job than officers with 20 years on the street the could be in the acad?
1/13/2008 11:43:00 AM
He is very qualified as a gym instructor and control tactics. Time on job is not that critical for the gym, but it does help. The gym staff is trained and in excellent shape. Larry Snelling has a excellent ability to motivate and push recruits to attain higher goals. He spends off hours coaching and mentoring recrutis and officers on fitness. He does all of the workouts with recruits, up to 4 workouts a day. A very grueling task at his level. If you have doubts, join his workout. Anyone is welcome to participate. Do not compare him to previous instructors. He is his own man.
how about an incentive for those with college degrees--bachelors/master and above. offer some pay or promotional incentive for having the degree. a lot of police depts already do this. an idiot with a GED or a degree from calumet college shouldnt be on the same field as a masters from loyola or roosevelt or u of i
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This requirement should have been grandfathered in. Many people got on this job before the education requirements. Yes, I am one of them.
Actually- the fire department gets a boost in pay for degrees , per fire fighter- what happened to our 'me too' clause? what's the FOP doing about this?
A NEW ICON IN THE WORKS?????
SCC,
Somebody needs to get a picture of "FAT BASTARD" (the one where he is playing the bagpipes could be good)from Austin Powers movies and do some computer magic and put him in a CPD uniform then put that picture on the BLOG. Like others from the past, so we can all comment!
Gotta go I am about to stick my fingers down my thoroat to make myself throw up......I heard from a model I can lose weight that way!
FOP can fight it all they want... But lets see what happens when they pass a state law that says police officers can't be fat pigs. Or worse yet another ordinance gets passed. That will supercede the contract. Force 3/4 of the department to find new jobs.
to 01:47 PM on 12 Jan
First I didnt tell the canadian that I was the police, just that I was from chicago
Secondly I weigh 180 lbs, and go to the gym 4-5 times a week
FOP can fight it all they want... But lets see what happens when they pass a state law that says police officers can't be fat pigs. Or worse yet another ordinance gets passed. That will supercede the contract. Force 3/4 of the department to find new jobs.
I hope it happens just to see the city, its residence and tourists shit their pants when the animals take over......
can I use the Gym on duty ???????
Anonymous said...
I am 350 lbs, and am afraid that after I retire I will not be able to realize my dream of being a Sumo wrestler...Who will I be able to sue for my loss?
Also I think that there should be a buffet table at every roll call. Lodge 7, please look into this...
Jody, lets meet for breakfast...
1/13/2008 10:31:00 AM
BANZAI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"I don't have the time for school" Waa, Waa, Waa!! My kids, my work..blah blah blah. I went to school and all my kids were under 4 years old. Wrote many 10 page papers over the two years it took to get my Masters from Loyola. Make time not excuses goof. Just because you took this job without going to college does not make you street smart, and just because you went to college does not make you book smart. And just because you may have gone to the military does not make you any better than the others. But having time/experience on the job and a little bit more of an education, or more of a military background can sure help you out in the long run. Nobody is perfect.
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