Three 12-hour Days?
Newly appointed Chicago Police Supt. Jody Weis is exploring the possibility of asking rank-and-file officers to work 12-hour shifts three days a week to bolster morale and shorten medical leaves, officials said Tuesday.
With longer hours fewer days a week, police officers who now work eight-hour shifts would have more time to decompress and spend with their families, and they might be less inclined to go drinking after work, researchers contend.
Interesting. What are the start times? Is this standard? Office personnel too? Rotating days off or are you stuck working weekends for the next decade? What about manpower reductions?
Lots of questions, but lots of opportunities, too.
Oh, and good to see the readers are getting us accurate info:
Lots of questions, but lots of opportunities, too.
Oh, and good to see the readers are getting us accurate info:
- Weis decided to explore the possibility of a Los Angeles-style, 12-hour shift after a give-and-take last week with officers in the 21st District, Bond said. Weis has been appearing at roll calls -- and dismissing police supervisors from that discussion -- to get his finger on the pulse of officers on the street.
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posted by SCC at 9:15 AM
346 Comments:
FOUR TEN HOUR DAYS WITH FIXED DAY OFF GROUPS NO ROTATING IS THE WAY TO GO. ALSO SEISER WANTS 10 HOUR DAYS TOO.
Had 10 hour days in housing, Loved it hope this is going to happen and fuck the FOP if they want us to have a 6 day work week. When do they work 6 days? The sixth day sucks! I don't care if I get three days off after 6. I want 3 and 3 3 and 3 3 and 4. Something like the 10 hour days in housing went. The city can work it out if they want. Let's vote for CHANGE....
Oh fuck!!! I don't think there is a hairgel on the market that will hold my faux-hawk together for twelve hours!!!
4 on 3 off
Tommy likey, Tommy want twelvies!
NO to 12 hour dys. 10 yes!
years ago someone did a study that showed that most traffic accidents, crs, etc happen on the 5th and 6th day-can't remember who did it- the CPD or the FOP but this would be great!
12 hrs / 3 days a week means more quality time with our family and would be so beneficial.. You must be crazy not to vote for it..
Wow, someone finally is on our side. Feels good for once.
I would vote for the 12 hour day or 10 hour day for that matter. But it would have to be rotating. People need to have weekends off. If only the senior officers (and I am one of these with 17 years on) get the weekends off and the newer officer get tues, wed, thursday off, then I am voting no. This is a good idea that needs to be explored.
Anything would be better then this bullshit 6 day work week. Get it done.
Great idea lets "just do it boss" it could restore morale and help officers to get a side job, and spend more time with the family! Go for it!
burkes guys work 12 hour shifts 2 on 3 off, the mayors guys 1 on 1 off! why not us?
12 hours days? What happens when you have to work overtime on something? Now your at 15, 15 or 16 hours and have to report back with as little as 4 hours of sleep?
Could the city force you to come back if you worked 18 to 20 hours OT?
I'd rather work ten hours and have a little wiggle room at the end.
12 hours dealing with the wildebeast is just too long.
Come on FOP, you don't speak for us with comments like the one below. Don't act like officers don't want this without asking us first. This is something thousands of officers would be interested in. Whether the majority would be -- who knows. Lets vote!!!!
"Twelve hours in a beat car in Chicago -- in most areas of the city -- is a very long work day. It has worked in other areas of the country. But it's something that has to be analyzed," said Donahue, who is pushing for a fixed schedule of six-days-on and three-days-off in contract talks with the city.
It's time to take a serious look at the FOP leaders. They have no right to push for our current scedule without asking us if we want to take a look at the 12 or 10 hour workdays. I've been quietly supportive of the FOP for 13 years because overall I think they have done a decent job even though many of you will disagree. But their statements on this has got me upset and make me wonder how out of touch they are with the blue shirts.
As the man said "Be Careful What You Wish For, You Just May Get It"
Let's do this! Sign me up Mr. Weis!
I am 100% for it. Piss on The FOP we do not want to work 6 days in a row!!!! The 5th and sixth days suck. 3 12's would be awesome. I could do 12 hrs because I know that I would only have to do them for 3 days.
12 hour days would be the greatest thing to happen to this department.....and it would instantly earn J-FED some street cred with all the working coppers on the street.
email our fop president at mdonahue@chicagofop.org and let him know if you are interested in this. He doesn't seem to be. We need to speak up. I like this idea and don't want to see it swept under the rug by the FOP.
Any changes to this current schedule are good - I'll believe it when I see results but at least this new supt. is pretending to care about what we think.
HOW ABOUT A 5 HOUR THREE DAY WORK WEEK WITH A TWO HOUR LUNCH
12 hour days are the way to go. Keep rotating days off. Pay attention FOP. You are up for election.
What would Obama do?
I worked 12hr shifts before I came on the job, I loved it!
Yay-Yay!!!
EXCUSE ME, IS THERE A GENERAL ORDER THAT STATES THAT I HAVE TOO ASK PERMISSION TO HAVE A DRINK AFTER WORK, IF I WANT TO HAVE A DRINK I WILL
" Beware of Greeks, bearing gifts"
GREAT IDEA- Fewer days getting dressed and driving to work, Fewer days spent dealing with the mopes on the street. I love it, but the city probably won't go for it because it makes sense!
Everyone vote, make a change, FOP chronies have outlived their usefullness! New blood brothers!
a 10 hour day will boost morale I worked them before, they work!!!
JODY is smart by getting input from rollcalls. But go somewhere else beside the dog infested 21. Come on over to 5,7,11,3,8. We love to share our thoughts!
I don't like working 8 hour days, no way I'm working 10, and 12 is just a bad joke.
We do 12 hours shifts... suburban PD. With 12's you literally only work half of the days of the year, less when you include vacation, personal days, comp. etc. 12's work out great for the personal life, long stretches off, and seems good for the job too. We do 6 to 6, seems to work well.
just read donohues comments hey mark "fuck You" we want it, what do the guys at fop work at most 30 hours a week, with all the paid vacations, and all the perks "we" give you STFU! Wish someone was running for president with some cred not eddie burkes lackey denis doherty! Mark you are still the best presidential candidate since no one else good is running, but on this issue WWJD? What will Jody do?
twelve hour days make sense effectively making cpd a two watch deal. the problem with the ten hour day was the four hour overlap. not enough equipment to cover 10 hour day deal. i'm all for it. you are going to work 2080 hours a year anyway you slice it. three less trips a week to and from station. anything is better than six in a row.
With longer hours fewer days a week, police officers who now work eight-hour shifts would have more time to decompress and spend with their families, and they might be less inclined to go drinking after work, researchers contend.
Less inclined? There have been a few 8+ hour OT cases I've had and got home at 7 or 8ish. You don't think a few cocktails were had to help me go nighty night?
Hello what about people that ENJOY spending time with their families?? Hello what about single parents that have no one to pick up their kids from school? Not everyone dedicates their life to this job!
Any schedule is better than a 6 day work week, if my brother PO's vote this down you guys are truly lost. P.S> dont give the bs about part times and all that stuff.
J-Fed if you do this, it would be just the shot in the arm the patrol division needs. It would also save the city a ton of money, instead of 5-6 coppers (YEAH RIGHT) on a beat every day you would need 4.
3 day work week! i wouldn't know what to do in my off days, lets go for it!! nobody NEVER complained about them 10 hr days, JODI JODI JODI!!
I have 10 years on so i'm in between kma club (20 years) and dorks in TRU (3-5 years) but i'm in complete agreement with change in schedule. The assholes with 25 plus years on are going to kill schedule change like they did last time. Hey I have an idea retire and get a life let us that have to do another 10 years be able to tolerate this shit job. Fuck you FOP if you are going to bow down to oldtimers and not let J-Fed change schedule! I would like 10 hr better but i'll jump at 12 hr days!!!!!
Forget 10 hours, because you get set days off. Alot of suburbs have 12 hour shifts and they love it. You get every other weekend off (and it's a three day weekend) with the 12 hours shifts. Don't get me wrong, the 12 hour days will consist of work & sleep and not much time for anything else. But, being off more days in a week and every other weekend will be great. Hopefully the FOP and guys in this department who resist any change will not ruin this option for us.
My hats off to him.
He's thinking "outside of the box."
12 hour days working midnights would KILL you.
I worked the 10 hour day in 017. It was the best year I've had working on the CPD.
Bring it on. This 6 day work week blows. A new schedule would make the troops a bit happier.
I think its a great idea, but driving in a car answering 911's for 12 hours can make a guy awfully crabby.
4 10's would be the compromise. No more blatant example of FLOPs' collusion w/the City is their persistence of holding us to a
6 day work week.
That should have been the Compromise of allowing J-Fed to wear the clownsuit.
Don't hesitate to Call the Hall & make your feelings known. Remember, IT'S YOUR UNION!!
I like the 12 hour days even if I have to rotate.
(36 hours a week)
My contention is; once I'm suited up and pumped up (coffee and donuts) 12 hours is no problem.
Go for it!
"and dismissing police supervisors from that discussion"
How about after he is done getting a pulse on the troops, he dismiss the troops and sit down with front line supervisors and get their pulse?
The problem at public housing was equipment and change time. We rarely worked 10 hours. That's what made it easy.
At the crime lab they work 10 hours but they just sit around and wait to be sent out.
In patrol; you can't have the officers running around doing all the unnecessary political crap and then expect them to have the stamina to last a true 12 hours.
We have a problem getting people to work 8 hours.
10 - 12, LOL!!!
wow, please address this soon. I think morale picks up big time if we only have to show 3 days a week. 12 hrs is a long ass time if you get stuck working a bt car with someone you dont like but may be worth it to get some time off. i mean this 6 days in a row shit is brutal.
J-Fed For president. It would be nice to see a change. the city and FOP have been talking about shift changes for the last eight to ten years. Wow wouldn't it be something if J-Fed just walks in and could get this done?
I have never seen a copper with the 12hour schedule that didn't love it. 12 hours in a car seems like a long time, but your not getting up, getting dressed, driving to work, going to stand in roll call 6-days in a row. Getting there is half the battle.
If your sgt. said " if you can stay tonight and work 4 hours more you can have off tomorrow" how many would say NO?
There is no doubt that a new schedule, any new schedule, would adversely affect some members. Not everyone could be pleased, but the schedule that we have now sucks. I have missed a lot of family events parties, soccer games, baseball games etc etc...over the last 15 years. There probably isn't anyone with children who doesn't regret making some event or another because of this job. This schedule would help reduce the family time missed by too many of us. Side jobs and school will adjust to the schedule and we all would adapt.
I have never found another cop who has worked the 12-hour and did not love it. (most have said that they would never go back to a 8 or 10 hour schedule).
As an officer working in 004, I can say that going to three 12 hr days is by far the worst idea ever! Let me explain. In 004 we have thugs crossing the Indiana border into Chicago on a regular basis. Those of us living on Beat 433 have zero protection against these criminals. Why?
The DC and his Captain cronies could care less about the Beat. They place all of their officers and emphasis on the ghetto rats. My family and I do not want to have violence enacted towards us, just because the manning roster doesn't add up. 12 hr days will bring even less productivity. We must fight the 12 hr days at all costs. People living in 433 must unite and say no to the possibility of three 12 hr days!!!
i'm down for it....it's just 4 more hours im going to sleep in my squad...
saw jodi for the 1st time in uniform today.
10 HOUR DAYS WORKED GREAT. 12 HOURS WOULD BE A LITTLE TOO LONG. EVERYONE THAT WORKED THE 10 HOUR DAYS LOVED IT. THE DETECTIVE DIVISION COULD WORK ON 10 HOUR DAYS.
Don't go for 12 hour days, go for the 10 hours worked out great.
If patrol went to a 12 hour day it would be fantastic. They would have to hire more police to cover shortage which is good for the economy and the housing market in Chicago. It's good for Dickhead's tax base also. Assuming it extended to the Detective Division (because Dicks are not career service ranks so they should get the work week as well) then they would have to promote more detectives. That would be good for patrolmen who have any desire to do something different. Overall, its a win for everyone. I guess that means that the mayor will say no.
By the way, being a detective, I would be willing to go back to patrol for a shot at a 3 day work week. The city could keep its D2A pay. Besides many of the sergeants in A2 think that they are in patrol and want to run the unit like its patrol (if that's the case, boys, go back to patrol; you won't be missed).
I heard J-Fed is afraid to come to 025 because he knows he can't fill Seiser's shoes!!!!!
Will overtime rate increase? And will court on days off be the same? I like the change, I also think it would be nice to use the work for others by seniority thing too/ If someone on the watch wants off why cant I work a double or on my days off? This will guarentte time off for anyone any watch and officers will jump to make the straight time
I'm a dispatcher, but at one of my former departments, the coppers worked 12-hour shifts, 3-on, 3-off. You would have every other weekend off. Yeah, it's a long day, but I think the time off is worth it. The only guys who didn't seem to like it were the ones in bad marriages, who didn't want to be home that much. But, there's always sidejobs, right?
Take a look at CCSPD patrol schedule. It is a nice schedule if you have family or side jobs.
Well now! Superintendent Jody Weiss is going to find out exactly why the police officers are the way they are.
For years and years, the patrol officers, "the backbone of the police department" acccording to previous brass, have been asking, requesting, begging for ANY SCHEDULE which gets them out of working SIX DAYS IN A ROW.
I recall hearing the strategy of the brass who negotiate the contracts: "They'll get 10 hour days after hell freezes over, thaws out, and freezes over again. Ha Ha Ha!"
The eight-hour day, coupled with the six day work week,
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"don't make an arrest anytime within two hours of the end of your tour - we don't like it when you make us sign overtime slips, otherwise the commander gets mad at me"
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"you better come in with some arrests if you want to keep your car assignment"
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"you better make lots of arrests if you want to get on tactical"
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blah, blah, blah,
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Chicago Police Management, 1950's style! Oh, it's the Twenty-First Century? Well, that's fine for the rest of society, but we are the police and the patrolman has always been treated poorly. That way, it motivates the "good guys" to work "extra hard" which really helps out the patrol division - WAIT!!! It doesn't, because then these guys and gals get their transfers to TRU and SOG and TF and GANGS, etc, so that they can concentrate their oh, so wonderful efforts on a SPECIFIC group of criminals. And THAT's the way we are able to create a police department with 25 districts, but with 75 commanders, with their attendant "command" staffs = daytime dollies = people to pick up their dry cleaning etc.
Have you ever just looked at this subject in a simple way?
There are twenty-five districts.
There are (supposed to be) 12,500 officerS, including supervisors.
Divide 12,500 by 25 = 500!
Yes! FIVE HUNDRED police officers, sergeants, lieutenants, captains and command staff PER DISTRICT!
Take out fifteen percent for supervisors, you still have 425 officers per district.
Divide the 425 officers into the two watches:
Days = 100
4 PM to 4 AM = 325
4 AM to 4 PM = 100
Forget about the space holders from 4am to 4pm, we all know that's when the criminals are sleeping.
For the 325 officers working during the time when the shit really hits the fan, we would have
12+12+12 = 36 hours working
+ RDO + RDO + RDO + RDO = 1 work week;
which means that only 3/7 ths of the officer are working at any one time.
3/7 ths of 325 = 139
Subtract for furloughs:
(Average 24 days) 365 / 24 = 15 time slots.
Therefore, 14/15ths of the remaining officers are available to work:
139 x 14/15ths = 129.73 officers
subtract 9.73 for the occasional stubbed toe, etc = 120 officers available =
12 beats per district = TEN OFFICERS PER BEAT!!!
TEN OFFICERS PER BEAT - WORKING!
TEN OFFICERS PER BEAT - ON DUTY!
TEN OFFICERS PER BEAT - TO ACTUALLY IDENTIFY THE CRIMINALS WHO ARE TEARING THIS CITY APART, ONE ALUMINUM GUTTER AT A TIME;
ONE STABBING AT A TIME;
ONE SHOOTING AT A TIME;
ONE TRAFFIC VIOLATION AT A TIME;
And guess what happens when all of the criminals are afraid to come out and play?
The normal, hard-working, agreeable, soft-spoken, kind and caring people of this city would actually be able TO GO OUTSIDE OF THEIR HOMES, EVEN AFTER 4PM!
IMAGINE THAT!
Have any of the politicians, police brass, reporters and University of Chicago Intellectuals ever thought about what it would be like to live in a city FEARLESSLY?
Oh, Wait! Fear is what sells newspapers. Fear is what sells radio! Fear is what sells TV!!!
What could I have been thinking?
Nevermind. Go back to sleep.
"Oh fuck!!! I don't think there is a hairgel on the market that will hold my faux-hawk together for twelve hours!!!"
When will you hairgel police learn? Hairspray is the way to go! It has a longer hold time and doesn't make you look like a greaser.
Changing the crap work schedule should be a priority. It will reduce IODs medical time and Cr's. Maybe this guy does care about the working cop. A new contract would be nice.
guys and gals... please. if anything we should push for the 4 10 hour days. if we work 12 hour days that will be way to much time. first point, taking a day now will cost you 12 hours time due to take. 2nd point, opportunities to get overtime will almost disappear. 3rd, your ot that you would get for court would be gone unless it is on an rdo. if you start at 12 in the afternoon and all of your calls are for 1330, all that ot will be gone. if your on days, the same will happen if you have the early call. plus, there will only be two watches. everyone on third watch will be split up and most will be sent to the midnight shift which will be 12am to 12pm....anyone who gets jammed with that shift will surely have no life at all. jody, bad idea. i like the thought of 4 10 hour days or what the fop is asking for, 6 days on but three off everyweek with a 4 day off every 6th week.... please no 3 12 hour days
The krusty old fucks who are scared to death of any kind of change will surely fuck this one up!
Suffolk County New York (Hamptons, Smith Town, etv.) has a great 3 dasy on, 4 off, 4 days on 3 off schedule with 8 hour days. they're all happy! Ofcourse they're starting salary $80k after 2 years.
Whether it be 12 hour days or 10 hour days I am all for it. The 10 hour schedule in housing was far better than any 6 day work week. You had 3 four day weekends in a row with that schedule. Add 1 day time due to that and you had 5 days off in a row. Work a Holiday and you received 15 hours on the books if you wanted it that way. Worried about your part time job with the longer hours? You have more days off to work any other job. You have to be crazy not to want the 10 or 12 hour days if offered.
With a 12 hour day, what would the work week consist of-days on and off?
Some departments with the 12 hour day are 3 days on 3 off, then 4 on 4 off w/ rotating start times.
I'm up for it. It can't be any worse than the 6 on 2 off bullshit we're doing off. It's good to talk about change, now let's see the union get it for us.
So Far the Supe is gaining respect and attetion from POs... Lets change this 6-day b.s.
The studies and common sense tell the brass that 6 days cylces are not good--they increase stress, complains by the public, and medical issues. Now it took a "non cpd" member to take this seriously. Just another look at the goofs running this dept. not interested of their greatest assest--the Policeman. Great job Jody, keep it up... Change this 6 day garbage!!!
ummm 12 hrs of me Sgt K and Sgt B in the showers...thats hot..
its a Brave new world Jody...
Lost in Fillmore
off topic:looks like G.L. at Ohare needs to spend a little more time on obedience w/ canine Arnold and a little less time at Gail's desk, after all these years we all thought Arnold was just a stuffed animal with a pre-recorded barking voice box. p.s. as far as the 12 hour days you would be lucky to get a 12 hour week from this guy. :-)
12 hour days would be awesome think of those four days off with ur loved ones, helping out with homework, going to games, eating together , not to mention that the 6 day work week absolutely blows! Lets do it!!!!
Golden opportunity to get rid of the six day work week and people are already getting nervous. Stop and think. You won't lose your weekends, you will only gain more time off to do what you want. Desk crews would probably continue to work 8 hours a day 6 day work week. If you have kids to take care of, or something else? Get on the desk. That is where most of these people are anyways.
i did the 10 hour days a couple years ago with the pilot program and have been left with a severe depression ever since the program was terminated. 3 days off in a row for 4 weeks, then 3 weeks with 4 day weekends... I LOVED IT.
it worked out to like- 52 less work days a year.
i think 12 hours days would be even better. i know a lot of people will complain, but people will adjust.
BRING ON THE 12 HOUR DAYS!!!
10 HOUR DAYS! YOU GO GIRL!
Geez, with those hours,some of you maniacs can fly all over the world
on commmando missions for these private firms and be back in time for your 1st day!!!
Let's hope we can make this a reality soon. The FOP has been playing games with this issue for the last 12 years! This department needs a morale boost in the worst way. It has gotten so bad, I have recently considered quiting the job altogether. Eliminating the 6 day schedule would definitely improve our quality of life.
10 hour days, whose the moron who whispered 12 into his ear. 12 hours would be a miserable haul of a day. and haha to the faux hawk!
The idea of 12 hour tours sounds interesting.
Meanwhile, 19th Squad detectives are searching for a man that used a meat cleaver to hack psychologist Kathryn Faughey to death in her office at 435 E. 79th St. on the Upper East Side last night.
In an unrelated NYPD RANT thread entitled "Please Ed Ban Crimefile", apparently some posters are reacting to a controversial "Crimefile" post entitled "History Would Suggest It's Time For Another U.S. President To Be Assassinated."
"Crimefile" uses the name Paul Huebl and claims to have once been a MOS with the Chicago PD.
i love this plan, im happy to be a part of it!!!
12hr days is better than the current 6 day week but 10hr days would be ideal. every person i know in evry line of work that has 10hr days, loves it. Bring on the 10hr day (or even 12)! crusty old-timers can piss off!
I'll do anything at all to get rid of the six straight work schedule. I will be the first to admit that i go out drinking an awful lot after work b/c by that 5th and 6th day i'm just so sick of being there and dealing with 6 days of stress and shit that i can't take it much longer. Who the hell else works 6 straight days and especially with a job as stressful as ours!!??? It's totally ridiculous.
Jody to the rescue once again! Now all he needs to do is get me my HMs/DCs in a timely manner....
12 hr days works for me. May screw up the court thing, but I am willing to do a little special enjoyment to make up the difference.
I'd like to say that by the fifth day of work i am a different person than the 1st couple. That fifth and sixth i don't have nearly the patience and am snapping on these people at times i shouldn't be. Also, i've noticed with myself and some coworkers i've asked that most of my trr's and things like that i get into have occured on my 5th and 6th days. It just isn't healthy for us or the public.
how about 2 20hr days...
I RECOMMEND THAT WE ALL WORK MON-FRI ,OFF ON SAT-SUN. IF THERE IS A NEED ON THE WEEKEND FOR THE POLICE SOME POLICE WOULD BE ON-CALL (REVERSE SENORITY). NOTHING BUT HAPPY HAPPY POLICE. PEACE BABY
Why don't we just get pagers, work every day all day on call with a take home car for 3 months straight, and get the rest of the year off?
12 hour days=the easiest way to boost morale
please please please can we have this
Worked a 12 hour day before on a different department, it went like this:
Worked Monday, Tuesday, off Wednesday, Thursday, worked Friday, Saturday, Sunday, off Monday, Tuesday, worked Wednesday, Thursday, off Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
Two week cycle, every other weekend off, never work more than 3 days in a row. It is long days, forget side job’s, but you have a lot more RDO’s to work those same jobs. All in all a lot better then current schedule and it will increase manpower in the districts immediately, only issue is they will need more cars right from the start. Solves more problems than it creates.
LOVE IT!! LOVE IT!! LOVE IT!!
Please anything but 6 days in a row. 10 hour days sounds great and 12 hour days sounds amazing. Lets fight for this one with the next contract!
DO NOT LISTEN TO ANYONE who says "the ten hour day sucks",not only have they never woked it,they uaually are only looking out for themselves...You know the type,work,court side job...bar.Ask anyone in housing if they hated it.The F.O.P. looks out only for DETECTIVES AND DINOSAURS.The dept. is very young now and we need a voice.Dont let the F.O.P. FUCK THIS UP...CALL THEM IN SUPPORT OF THE 10 HOUR DAY OR EVEN THE 12 HOUR DAY. Anything is better than what we have now.Hopefully when it is put to a vote,it wont be rigged like last time,supposedly split right down the middle.
this sounds good . ten hr days better if you go to court 12's will kill you. must have rotating days off , housing system was fantastic. with travel 10=12 12=14
12 hours may be a bit too long, I would like the 10 hour shift.
12 hours in squad in any big city is too much, 6 and 3 or maybe 10 hr days but not 12. That would be about 5 more domestics a night in the busy districts.
You work 3 12hr days..then off 2
then
You work 2 12hr days..then off 3
The 3 days off are a 3 day weekend
So you get a 3 day weekend every other weekend
We have been doing it in the burbs for years..it's great
I think Weis is doing a great job already if he is concerned about our work schedule. 6 Day work week SUCKS
Man did he look funny in the uniform.
I tried to have a open mind.
He looked like a movie star playing the role of superintendent.
Sorry JPW
Had 10hr days in housing, got away from the old lady for a full 10hrs every day! had 3 and some times 4 days off to spend with my girlfriend.
I'm sure the "bat blackberry" went crazy when rich heard the 12 hour day thing.
Stop with the 4 - 10 hour days crap already. If the man is willing to give us 3 - 12 hour days, please do not let this opportunity pass with a bunch of in fighting over start times, 4 days vs. 6 etc. Do you not get it? Three days vs. the six we have now, no more discussion, let's take it.
I forsee that I would not feel like doing anything after maybe the 9th hour.
Why not five 8-hour days and three off? Younger police and busy Districts have too much stress put on them already. Increasing the hours to 10 or 12 will just cause more Officer Safety issues in the long run. Who wants to be that Officer in a shootout or physical altercation at hour 9, 10, or 11? The city does not loose anything by going to five on and three off. I'm sure the City would save money spent on lawsuits (stress related), medical roll, and man power allocation.
The way I see it , the hours won't matter much. You will either be working, sleeping, or going to or from work on those three days either way won't be able to do anything else. Thyere will be a lot of sleepy coppers in court though.
** 12 HOUR SUPPORTER SAYS **
Come on people. We need this change. 12 on is not that bad at all. Were already dressed and ready to play. What’s a couple more hours.
I understand that some days might drag a bit, especially if your stuck riding with some mope, but the thought of only having to get dressed 3 times a week and 3 or 4 off it out standing!
The FOP thinks we want this stupid 6th work day, they haven’t asked the membership. At least nothing asked at roll call or questioner sent to my house. Jody brings up some great points. How many people you know call in for the 6th day. I’ve done it. Let he who is without sin throw the first stone. Be honest.
I worked California Highway Patrol for 3 years before getting married and following my wife here like a lost puppy dog. Took this job and wish I could go back to CA. 12 hour shifts were awesome!!
Seemed like after 3 days went bye, we were wondering where the time went, and presto, 4 days off.
Now if we can only get rid of Da Mayor and his residency bullshit!
Jody, how about (4) 10 hours days and LIFT THE RESIDENCY requirement that would really BOOST MORALE! You could also get a larger selection pool when hiring.
We could work more part-time jobs Like CFD.
i hope this works out
Anybody who is not for a 3 day work week is out of their mind. If FOP fights this, they all need to be replaced immediately.
SCC. Got a friend who just retired from the Honolulu Police Department after 27 years. They work three 12 hour shifts and every fourth week, work a fourth 12 hour shift. Lots of time off for hula and luau. Chicago born and raised by the way.
I would like to work four off two. you rotate backwards.
Lets Start this...
Hello! 12 Hour Days? Sounds great! Can you imagine adding on one more comp day or even two? And Poof! You have about a week off!
Hell yeah! Mini Vacations Less Stress.
One of the things we'd have to worry about is Picking your partner. Cause I cant imagine sitting in a squad car with some smelly ass, lazy fuck, who thinks he's/She's better than you or worst, "a Know it all".
Then there's that one asshole micromanaging Sgt that we'd have to worry about on the watch. We all know there's always one and in some cases two on a watch.
12 Hour Days?
Shit yeah!
And it's easy for me to say cause I was around when we actually rotated, AND that's when there was way more comaradre than there is today - way more!
We'd be like Firemen. With all those extra days off. Only we get to go home, and as we all know, we do a hell of a lot more in a week than a Fireman does in a year or two. Big difference.
finally a leader that uses his brain and gets this department in line with most other departments around the country....no other major city works a 6 day work week
12 Hour work Schedule should not include House Mice!
It's enough most of them dont work a damn eight hour day, you think they'd be around at HQ or in the Districts to be available or to answer the phone for 12 hours? I think not.
All you get is some Ferris Bueller phone message!
They can keep their 8 Hour, Weekends, and Holidays Off. 12 Hours would be just to good for them.
HEY F.O.P.
DO NOT take it upon yourself to shoot the 12 Hour Day proposal down. Let the membership vote!
Especially when it come to our pensions and lively hood!
DONT WE HAVE A SAY?
HEY FOP
RESEARCH THE "DROP" PROGRAM TOO!!!!!!
Keeps Seasoned Policeman around, and makes a great addition to our already disolving pension no thanks to you guys.
12 hrs. is bullshit,you start at 0700 and aren't done until 1900? what the hell is left of your day,you have to go to sleep in a couple of hours to get up for the next day.
10 or 12hr days are a great idea. 6 days on 2 off sucks..
Several observations from the Academy graduation today...
1. Da Mayor snubbed the Sup and the police once again. Bullshit he was sick or that the is our biggest fan.
2. Even though some don't want J-Fed to wear the uniform, he was the best dress. All you fat slobs buy a new uniform or better yet loose weight.
3. The graduation address, given by the PPO's, was pure HQ/City Hall propaganda. Why not let them write their own speech?
4. Could they pick a more convenient place to have the graduation than Navy Pier? And to make all those friends and family pay $20.00 to park. Once again, the mayor sticks it in our ass.
5. Looks like the Sup has been brainwashed already. He is using the mantra "guns, gangs and drugs." And believes in CAPS.
6. Our Honor Guard and Pipes and Drums are top notch.
i heard most complaints happen on the 6th day and i can see why i feel like shit on the 6th day and dont want to hear it from anyone
Mark Donahue is telling the city the FOP is against a 12 hr / 3 day work week?
Try consulting the MEMBERS first Mark!
Every single PO I know would love to work 3 day weeks, instead of 6.
Why does the FOP want six on/three off?
Yeah, we get an extra day off, but it is still a SIX DAY work week!
Let's see what the city's proposal is on the twelve hour days and put it to a vote.
I bet the vast majority of PO's vote for it.
WHY GO UP? LETS GO DOWN!
I WILL TAKE (2) 6 HOUR DAYS AND THEN 4 DAYS OFF.
TALK ABOUT NO STRESS AND ALL RETIRED WOULD LIVE PAST 52!
start 6,7,8 am and then 6,7,8 pm. it would free up loads of manpower, because there is one less watch.
10hr days is a tougher scheldule to set up for a 24 hr day, that is maybe why the 12 hour day...
everyoen i talked to in 025 loves the idea of 12 hour days. im sure it is pretty similar across the city
"Twelve hours in a beat car in Chicago -- in most areas of the city -- is a very long work day. It has worked in other areas of the country. But it's something that has to be analyzed," said Donahue, who is pushing for a fixed schedule of six-days-on and three-days-off in contract talks with the city.
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I agree 12 hours is a long shift, but it'd be worth it to have the next 2 off.
The beat officers I am sure would back it if you thre something in there for them (a longer lunch, a third personal, something).
The 12 hour day works for us, for obvious reasons. It works for the city (medical abuse and PO's having to burn 12 hours for a day off, etc).
FOP, let's make it happen in this next contract!
A fine idea Supt Weis. Studies in other PD's (LAPD being one) have shown this to be very popular among the PO's.
I have given this guy the benefit of the doubt, I like him already.
I never worked ten hours days. EVERYONE I talked to who DID loved it. I'm sure that's why it was removed.
It would be nice.... but I would still drink. ;)
Jody, come to my rollcall and kick the bosses out, I'll give you even more ideas on how to fix morale in this fucked up department!
Anyway, Thanks for all the advice and encouragement. I will take your advice, mostly the first mentioned above. Im done! Fuck this place. Im looking. I don’t need this shit. Racist corrupt bullshit of a city. Bye bye.
2/13/2008 09:26:00 AM
Hey Pal,
You sound really unhappy. I, for one, care. It's not all that bad. Don't do anything stupid. Take care and if you really get down, talk to a friend, take a vacation, etc.
God Bless!
Off Topic:
Mayor Daley’s plan to privatize Midway Airport to generate billions to shore up city pensions and rebuild Chicago’s aging infrastructure is cleared for take-off: Five of seven airlines have signed off on the deal, the first of its kind in the nation.
Daley has already raked in a combined $2.4 billion by privatizing the Chicago Skyway and downtown parking garages. He’s now put a For Sale sign on parking meters.
But Midway would be the biggest transaction of all, generating as much as $3 billion.
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$5.4 billion. What do you want to bet hardly any of it goes to fund pensions? It will go to Daley's pet projects, and to his relative's investments.
If John Q Taxpayer only knew how poorly the city has funded these pensions, and how much taxpayers are on the line for, they would demand his head!
ANd with the cut back on OT it will take a 12 hrs C/u to have 1 day off. Thanks!! How and when will we go to court??? When will U sleep. Basicaly you wont see your family or friends for 3 days straight. So who gets jammed with the midnight shift????
10 hour days are better and NO 6 days. The rub is the Sixth Day!!!
KMA We have the brain trust doing these numbers. Come on FOP!!! Step Up!!!
its almost like we would be fireman. man do they have the life
Donahue is against it. So once again, we will have a sham vote that turns up in Donahue (Daley's) favor. Anyone remember the "tie" vote for 10 hour days.
12 hour days are to long. 4 10's and 2 off.
12 HOUR DAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YEAH, OK.......you worked 10 hour days in Housing. I guarantee you were never there 10 hours. More like 8 and home.
The Boss made no mention of 10hour days. He stated 12 hour days!!!! If the Department goes to this gameplan, the City WILL want the BFD's and P-Days back, guaranteed!!!!!! I hope the Boss is not hangin his hat on what the opinions of the fightin' 21st is telling him. 12 hours isn't so bad in 021. Try it in 007 or 008. It will seem like an eternity.
You knew the rules of the game coming on this job. 6 on-2 off until the weekends.
QUIT CRYIN!!!!!. This is the reason the job is beginning to suck. All the new kids who have never had a REAL JOB prior to comin on. Sorry if this hurts, but sometime the truth does. If you don't like this, go get a 9-5 private sector job. Remember, this job is a calling; a profession. Treat it as such and you will reap the rewards.
Signed,
17 years with the greatest show on earth.
The three 12 hour day would be the greatest advance in the CPD since the introduction of unionization.
I am all for it,more time to unwind and function like a human with the family and away from the stress of the streets is good.
That six day work week is a killer and by the sixth day you are ready to explode.
Would this proposal impact any current benefits? IE: furlough days,BFD's,PD's,lunch,personals...
What would the proposed shifts be? 11-2300,2300-1100hrs,1200-0001,0001-1200hrs? 0700-1900,1900-0700hrs?
Twelve hour shifts would radically cut into the alchoholics ability to drink everyday. One wonders if this is not he primary motivation to implement them.
I imagine administrative slots would remain on the M-F,0900-1700hrs. schedule. There is no viable reason for them to work twelve hour tours.
Bring it on baby. The sooner we get away from this 6 day work week the sooner we all start to feel better about this job.
COUNT ME IN, I WANT THIS.
Overall,I am excited about this. The work schedule has not been adjusted in 16 years. I would rather rotate with twelve hour tours than work the six day work week.
"and they might be less inclined to go drinking after work, researchers contend."
Yeah right!!Where do they get this BS.
Jody is listening to the voices of his troops and responding in kind, this is alot more than we can say about our former leadership.
This Captain might get the ship back on track.
I WANT WHAT BERWYN HAS 8HR SHIFTS, 5 ON 2 OFF 5 ON 3 OFF. THAT IS THE WAY TO GO. ALSO WE TO CHECK WITH SEISER AND SEE WHAT HE WANTS.
I can't wait for a change!
Is there another profession that works 6 days straight?!
LA has three 12 hour days or four 10 hour days. SF has something similar, as does NYC.
Way to go Weez!
I TALKED TO SEISER TODAY, SEISER IS AGAINST THE 12HR AND WANTS TEN HOUR SHIFT. WAY TO GO SEISER, SUPT, WEIS BEFORE YOU MAKE DECISION YOU WILL NEED TO CONSULT WITH SEISER.
please jody we would all love that!
Possible guilty plea for cop in beating
A lawyer for police officer Anthony Abbate — videotaped beating up a female bartender — signaled today his client might plead guilty. Abbate’s lawyer Peter Hickey requested a “402 conference,” in which prosecutors, defense counsel and a judge discuss a possible plea deal.
6 day work week,400 cars down citywide with no replacements..... computers, printers cell doors non operational, .. HELP JODY
I ALWAYS THOUGHT THE WHOLE POINT WAS TO GET RID OF THE SIXTH DAY...NOW THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY OF THREE 12'S AND THIS PIECE OF SHIT DONAHUE IS PUSHING FOR A SIX ON THREE OFF SCHEDULE..WELL ALL I CAN SAY IS DONAHUE DOES NOT SPEAK FOR ME AND I SAY PUT IT TO A VOTE...WILLING TO BET IT PASSES...DONAHUE IS A HANDJOB THAT DOES NOT SPEAK FOR THIS DEPT.
I would like the different hours but I wouldn't like to rotate watches.
I'm somewhat new & I'm wondering...has it always, ALWAYS been six days straight w/ 2 off?
I know other major depts have more favorable work schedules.
Does anyone know if LA has fixed days off?
If fop wants to work 6 days in a row let them, i'll take the 12 hour days.
LA has both three 12's or 4 10's...the LA copper I spoke with last year while I was out there told me the three 12's are very popular.
I'd be more than glad to work 12 hours in a beat car, even on a fixed day off group, if that I means I have FOUR, F-O-U-R days off in a row! That's like a vacation in itself!
Jody, if you're reading this I wanna party with you!
12 hours is just too long in the beat car. Why did 10 hour days fail in the 025 pilot program? Four 10 hour days would be great
This is the place to be the police,Jackson,Wyoming. YOu can have a six-figure income and get a subsidized house. You have to love socialsim.
Subsidized housing for the 'rich'
A six-figure household income is more than enough to get by in most places. But not in Jackson, Wyo., where the median home price is $1.2 million and a joint income of $100,000 is still low enough to qualify for certain public housing assistance. To get teachers, police officers and firefighters to live in town, officials have a creative approach: subsidizing housing for people with incomes up to six figures.
Brook and Jessica Yeomans recently bought their town house with views of the Wyoming mountains for $230,000, a far cry from its $750,000 market price.
''We were so lucky,'' said Brook Yeomans, a middle school teacher. ''Affordable housing has basically allowed us to have a family here.''
Way to go J-Fed! What a great idea! Hope it happens. It's the time away from this place that heals us! 6 day work weeks sucks!!!!
Do the Cook County Sheriff's Police still have the 10 hour day? What about the ISP,they used to work tens to. Are there any surrounding departments working twelves?
This one change could actually lift morale more than anything in the last 20+ years. Bring on the 12hour day.
DOES ANYONE HAVE A LINK TO THE LA WORKSCHEDULE
"I would vote for the 12 hour day or 10 hour day for that matter. But it would have to be rotating. People need to have weekends off.....This is a good idea that needs to be explored."
My sentiments exactly. Problem is any work schedule that is adds up to 7 will NOT rotate your days off.
(4 and 3, 5 and 2, 3 and 4, you get the idea)
Your days off now rotate because the schedule is 8 days. 6 on 2 off....
I would never vote for anything with fixed days off. How would you like to be the 2 year wonder working EVERY Thurs,Fri,Sat night in some ghetto district? I think a 12 hour tour in any district, regardless of your starting time, that is consistantly in a RAP would be an extremely long day.
Anyone against the 12 hour day schedule needs to wake up this is a great great great schedule. Just ask anyone on a department that has switched to it (Many departments have), they would never go back.
I don't know if I would like the 3 twelve hour days, but I would most certainly go for 4 ten hour days with rotating days off. We need to get rid of the six day work week.
""I have missed a lot of family events parties, soccer games, baseball games etc etc...over the last 15 years. There probably isn't anyone with children who doesn't regret making some event or another because of this job. This schedule would help reduce the family time missed by too many of us""
You'll be missing even more if you are working every Fri, Sat and Sun.
Think this through....
Think about the time you will save every week getting ready for work 3days less.
Think about the savings in gas and travel time to work the extra 3 days a week.
Think about the significant reduction in wear and tear on your vehicle,mileage,uniforms,equipment by working 3 days less per week.
This is an all around winner,12 hour days are a great idea.
Anonymous said...
burkes guys work 12 hour shifts 2 on 3 off, the mayors guys 1 on 1 off! why not us?
2/13/2008 10:11:00 AM
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Hey Stupid Fuck, Mayor's 24+ Bodyguards, and Burke's 6+ Bodyguards all get Sgt's Pay!
Burkes 6 + Bodyguards all work Days and they all submit Overtime. How You Say?
That's a great question.
Probably have a better chance locating the exact location of the Lochness Monster than getting the answer to that one.
"HOW ABOUT A 5 HOUR THREE DAY WORK WEEK WITH A TWO HOUR LUNCH
2/13/2008 10:44:00 AM"
Apply for a job at city hall.
E-mail our fop president at mdonahue@chicagofop.org and let him know if you are interested in this. He doesn't seem to be. We need to speak up. I like this idea and don't want to see it swept under the rug by the FOP.
Now how often did those of you who think the 10 hour day was the greatest thing in the world actually checked off at 10hours and 15minutes after the start of your tour, or was this great because you were GONE after 8hours and 55minutes????????
Chew on this....Would you like to swipe in and not out for 6 days on and 3 off or swipe in and out for
3 on and 4 off???
go for it! more days off fishing, spending time w/ family, relaxing and unwinding. Hell yeah.
Morale would be up. The dogs would be forced to start working.
I give the man credit for throwing this out there and trying to address an issue that was brought to him when he visited the district(s).
How about 4, 8hr days and then 2 days off. Rotating backwards.
anonymous said...
saw jodi for the 1st time in uniform today.
2/13/2008 12:28:00 PM
How did that bod look in uni?
Suffolk County New York (Hamptons, Smith Town, etv.) has a great 3 dasy on, 4 off, 4 days on 3 off schedule with 8 hour days. they're all happy! Ofcourse they're starting salary $80k after 2 years.
**I don't understand why it's so difficult to figure out a schedule so we work 8 hour days 5 days a week!
Anonymous said...
HEY F.O.P.
DO NOT take it upon yourself to shoot the 12 Hour Day proposal down. Let the membership vote!
Especially when it come to our pensions and lively hood!
DONT WE HAVE A SAY?
2/13/2008 03:36:00 PM
if it gets that far. i think the fop needs to spend the money and mail ballots for are vote.
I hope that the Superintendent pulls the trigger on the 12 hour day. JFed will be loved overnight by the boys in blue!!!
general consensous in 014 is bring on the 12 hour days
I'm all for any change that gives more days off.I would think you would still have to have extra shifts for the roll call layover.How about 3a.m.-3p.m. and 4a.m.-4p.m. and vice versa for the late watch.The only problem is ot would be virtually nonexsistent with your court probably taking place during your work hours or the fact is who would want to go to court after working a 12 hour day.I definately would rather go 10 hour days. plus you save less time when need to burn a day.The bright side is,I guess if you work a holiday you could get an extra 6 hour paycheck!!
12 hrs. is bullshit,you start at 0700 and aren't done until 1900? what the hell is left of your day,you have to go to sleep in a couple of hours to get up for the next day.
**I'm with you. 0800 til 2000. Your day is shot. No time with the family.
Oh fuck!!! I don't think there is a hairgel on the market that will hold my faux-hawk together for twelve hours!!!
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The problem is you're still using hairgel, you need to switch to pomade it holds mine for days.
Jody looked absolutely great in uniform. Looked as good as the real police and certainly better than the fat, overgrown exempts.
Mark Donahue is telling the city the FOP is against a 12 hr / 3 day work week?
**No He Did Not. He just said that's a long day for being in a beat car in a busy district. He said he would take it into consideration. He Did Not say Yay or Nay!
If you look at the contract proposal, the FOP has again proposed a 10 hour work day.
Then there's that one asshole micromanaging Sgt that we'd have to worry about on the watch. We all know there's always one and in some cases two on a watch.
2/13/2008 03:27:00 PM
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you must mean sgt. B aka grandma in 012
If they are going to try the 12 hour day, I think they should pilot it for about 3 months in busy districts in the summer months & then come back to see if it worked. Because if you vote for it and working 12 hours kicks your ass, there's no turning back.
I NEED this schedule. The 6 day work week is killing me.
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