Illusion of Safety Revisited
We've been noticing some variation on the following theme in most of the reporting about the Crane High School shooting:
- Friday's shooting occurred in full view of one of five Chicago Police cameras stationed within a block of the Near West Side campus that is heavily patrolled by police and school administrators at dismissal time -- as a number of students watched.
Cameras. Everyone is mentioning the cameras. Near the cameras. Under the cameras. In view of the cameras. Once again, this supports our contention that cameras do not prevent crime. All they do is provide a better eyewitness than your regular run-of-the-mill civilian. And that's only if it happens to be looking in the right direction.
Cameras provide the illusion of police presence without actually spending the money on a real live police officer. Again, we'll let everyone know that NO ONE is watching these things. No one at all more than 90% of the time. And even if they were, the camera isn't going to magically transform into an officer to protect someone.
As one of our west side readers noted, how about someone does a story on why three public schools within a two mile radius eat up literally hundreds of man hours worth of police service each and every day during the school year? And why there are FIVE cameras around Crane alone? That'd be some interesting reading.
Cameras provide the illusion of police presence without actually spending the money on a real live police officer. Again, we'll let everyone know that NO ONE is watching these things. No one at all more than 90% of the time. And even if they were, the camera isn't going to magically transform into an officer to protect someone.
As one of our west side readers noted, how about someone does a story on why three public schools within a two mile radius eat up literally hundreds of man hours worth of police service each and every day during the school year? And why there are FIVE cameras around Crane alone? That'd be some interesting reading.
Labels: crime
posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
45 Comments:
The Principality of Monaco offers the strongest argument for a converse relationship between crime and their ubiquitous street cameras. Every block of every street in this tiny country is covered by monitored cameras while street crime is virtually non-existent.
When travelling the Cote D'Azur, stop by. You will be impressed.
Check out the casino at Monte Carlo. Several daily non-stop flights from Paris (CDG) to nearby Nice. Continue east to Monte Carlo via train or the Grand Corniche.
For what it's worth, there is only 6 retired police officers monitoring these cameras daily. What I've been told, if it's true
Cameras provide the illusion of police presence without actually spending the money on a real live police officer. Again, we'll let everyone know that NO ONE is watching these things. No one at all more than 90% of the time. And even if they were, the camera isn't going to magically transform into an officer to protect someone.
It will be the same with the police once we are totally de-fanged.
I love it people.. Hey Mr. MAYOR, HAHAHAHAHAHA !!! Hire more officers and ditch those cameras, Crane hs what a GHETTO JOKE OF A SCHOOL !!
Not just 5 cameras, there were at least 5 police cars there when the shooting occurred, not even 1/2 a block from the school. These future Westside leaders do not care who or what is around. They know you can't touch them without being all over the news and a huge payday from the city. Police, teachers, cameras, can't touch them. Bring the army in and they still wouldn't act right.
You are right though, no one wants to address why there are 5 cameras over there and why you need so many officers committed to that school at dismissal. How come there and not Northside College Prep???
It's not even about race. It comes down to the parents and low expectations. The victim was considered a "good kid" with four recent arrests. That doesn't fly in most communities. The kid's mother was showing off her neck tattoo that said "RIP Ray Ray." That says it all.
There's about as much film in those camera's as there are bullets in my gun.
what is the total cost of each camera?
the cameras really work mayor great job boy great job! We need more officers, thanks for sending home the whole recruit class another major city fuck up! maybe you could like the story on fox news give more of our money to the 50 alderthieves to buy more cars! increase their allowance and then the caddy's get bigger! mayor the best thing you could do for this city is please resign now!
Cameras dont arrest people Cops do we know that but dicky daley doesnt get it. The public is Not safe.
Wear A HOODY, perfect disguise. Bring back the school unit and actually make them patrol outside their assigned school
48 hour rule.... You got nothing kid
They want cameras and a perseption of security why don't they connect the camera system, the ones on the public way or where they would not be an invasion of anyones rights or privacy, to the internet or the city TV channel. I am sure a lot of people would watch them and the city could introduce the program with a big fan fare and advertising campaign. Let everyone know they are not alone. Its been said it is the era of "Big Brother" so make it a positive thing. Give people a sense of security and involvement.
"The police were right there. They could have made that crowd move,'' Green said.
Truly unbelievable!!!!! If we did make them move, you would be right there bitching at us saying, "Why you messing with them fo, they just hangin out" to be proceeded with a phone call to the principal stating the police are "harassin they kids" Both of these kids were gangbangers!!! Lady your kid was a gangbanger!!! and since you wont admit it that in it self is a problem. The victim had multiple arrest for PCS and one for UUW. And Mrs. Ivy I know you know about these arrests since you had to come and pick him up most of the time. As a parent what did you do to stop his criminal activity? I would say NOTHING? You would justify it by blaming the police, just as you are now!!! Your sons death is your fault!!!! Because you failed to stop his behavior.
When you have a job under one of these ridiculous camera's DEMAND on the air to speak with SOMEONE responsible for that pod.All the pod people do is No1 parkers.It is a huge waste of taxpayer $$$$$$$
if you ask dunkin he will blame guns and a society unwilling to give up rights to control an out of control underclass.
i blame the democrats who have placed the blame everyehere but where it belongs......with the parent(s) of these keeids.
a 15 yr reproduction cycle in a single parent welfare environment does not allow for much wisdom transfer.
The Principality of Monaco offers the strongest argument for a converse relationship between crime and their ubiquitous street cameras. Every block of every street in this tiny country is covered by monitored cameras while street crime is virtually non-existent.
3/10/2008 12:22:00 AM
Who the fuck is this - Grace Kelly's ghost? I laughed so hard I almost shit myself! Oops, in Monaco they say, "Oh dear, I've gone and soiled myself."
Does the Principalty have a Leclaire Courts? How about just one school like Crane, a typical example of the Chicago Public Circus Animal School?
I say, old chap, when traveling through beautiful Englewood, which is the Chicago equivalent of the Cote D'Azur, stop by any lounge. YOU will be impressed, Chicago-style! Now wave at the cameras!
12:22 AM
You forgot one major component missing from the culture of Monaco and the French Riviera.
Transplant a few thousand West and South Side thugs and their bitches to Monaco and a million cameras won't mean squat. You'll need lots of "boots on the ground", strict life prison sentences, capital punishment and mandatory sterilization. Otherwise, their prolific spawns will be robbing, raping, homicidal time bombs.
Then again, Prince Albert could always implement a Mediterranean version of C.A.P.S. (LMAO) with generous welfare benefits to try to appease the bloodthirsty parasites.
"Affirmative action", "political correctness" and "the celebration of diversity" would solve the problem. Right?
Bring on the Kool-Aid tankers.
"mayor the best thing you could do for this city is please resign now!
3/10/2008 06:18:00 AM"
That's not the BEST thing he could do.
Anyone want to take a guess at IS 'the best thing' mumbles could do, for the good of the city?
Hey "Grimaldi". It aint your cameras, its the culture.
Try the experiment of Dubuque,Iowa.
They imported over 100 poor families from Chicago about 12 years back to add some "diversity"
to their population.
And now they've(Dubuque) gone from a crime-free city to having people beaten & robbed at gunpoint on a daily basis.You can even throw in an occasional murder.
Your cameras may be preventing terrorist attacks, they'll never stop the streetcrime of a "thug" populace.........
to 3/10/2008 07:47:00 AM
They'd have to increase staffing 10 times just to handle the 911 traffic.
And that would put a 'strain' on the city's already bloated, but 'underfunded', budget.
It would, however, be the only authentic 'reality television'.
A few downsides:
We are already a society of rats, no need to encourage and sanctify, ie. 'ratify', everyone being rat bastards.
Also, what a gift this would be to the miscreants; they can watch honest citizens going to and from their homes, keep an eye on the avenues of approach to their 'dens of iniquity', pre-select their victims, track their 'enemies, etc., enjoy being 'one step ahead' etc., etc.....
Privacy, as an expectation, or even as a pipe dream, will have vanished into oblivion.
A perfect realization of Big Brother society.
Be careful what you wish for......
When I heard that remark by ms. Green (not Ivy) on TV my first thought was that she is setting herself up to win the Chicago lotto.
You should look up 007 any school day. Consistently 50-75% of district Manpower down at schools daily from 130-400 Especially Harper and Roberson. Closed market cars hiding blocks away sitting there doing nothing. Backlogs for hours because of this all occuring during shift change hours. Close Harper !!! The kids only go there to fight
So I see on the news today (monday) there is a beefed up police presence at the school.
Nice for the new cameras and the sheeple of Chicago. Tomorrow it will be back to business as usual with kids murdering kids over baseball caps.
When will the state take over CPS?
The video surveillance quality from those PODS are terrible and that's provided that the camera is facing the right way!
The mayor and the city council think that the cameras are the answer to solving crimes, they're not! Wake up people! It's just another ploy for the mayor to waste our money.
If you want to fight crime, HIRE MORE POLICE!!! We are at an all time low, in manpower and morale!!!
Counting down to 25 & out!
The hoomie who got kilt, wasn't he 'bout to turnt his life arount?
3/10/2008 12:22:00 AM
Merci beaucoup. I'm calling my travel agent as I write this.
"As one of our west side readers noted, how about someone does a story on why three public schools within a two mile radius eat up literally hundreds of man hours worth of police service each and every day during the school year? And why there are FIVE cameras around Crane alone? That'd be some interesting reading"
-SCC
What a facinating question in light of recent events. Moreover SCC I'm curious that your standard remedy for such incidents--more guns--has not made its obligatory appearance in this discussion. Naturally if other Crane students had been properly armed they could have prevented this young man's untimely demise.
For what it's worth, there is only 6 retired police officers monitoring these cameras daily. What I've been told, if it's true
3/10/2008 12:45:00 AM
can you say shakman decree
..."When you have a job under one of these ridiculous camera's DEMAND on the air to speak with SOMEONE responsible for that pod."...
Be careful of what you ask for. The Mayor and the Dept spent a ton of cash on this shit. They will spend more of your money to make shure the things will work! Some retired cop telling you "theres a drinker at the corner of wherever, walking south bound". More sensless POD missions.
How about a pod camera mounted deep in da mayers a$$. Then we could see who has their head up it trying to get a promotion.
C'mon,
haven't you heard of all the crimes that the detectives are able to solve with the cameras that capture everything out there instead of crime. I swear I had to watch four hours of some guy selling corn from a cart because the responding set of stripes felt that the camera might have caught the crime that occurred two blocks away!!!! But I was ORDERED to review the footage....twice.....
the stripes who initiated this manuver was later seen in the area sucking up for spot! nice try goof.. you couldn't fine fish in a fish store.....LOL
Here's a great idea!
Bring back the School Unit!
It was a really dumb idea to get rid of the school unit! Hey, J-FED bring the School unit back!
Then you won't have Closed Market coppers who don't have a clue as to who the players are or what is going on in a given High School.
Closed Market Officers were ordered by this goof Commander Sodini of 012, to go into Crane High School at 1430 hrs. and help disperse out of control jagoffs but then he pulls his 012 District P.O.'s out of Crane High School!
What the fuck!
Where's our back up going to?
My question is:
Where were the 012 District coppers going to? 012 should know who the players are not Closed Market people!
012 is by no means a busy District, unlike 011 District!
What's the matter 012 District, can't handle one Ghetto ass high school in your District! PITIFUL!
Yeah! This is a real big illusion of safety!
It's unsafe for outside units, who don't know the players in a given war zone!
A/5 commander (dean) wants cleared closed cases on his desk of crimes solved using the cameras in A/5. We all laugh at the number of cases submitted. OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOZERO.
I laughed when I read the remarks by the mother of the dead banger shot dead near Crane H.S.
I'd say "like father, like son!" But, since father is nowhere to be found I guess it's "like mother,like son!"
The article goes on to relate how momma still carries a bullet inside her and visible scars, from when she was shot inside the school(Crane H.S.) in 1984, while a student there.
UNFUCKINGBELIEVIBLE!
I was hunting in Michigan. Met a man with a camera, not a gun. He liked to Stalk the game, photo'ed it. Said he didn't need to shoot an animal to hunt it. Was satisfied with a closeup photo rather than a kill. Didn't destroy or disturb wildlife. I think he is a prototype of the 21st century Chicago police officer
Rumor has it Daley will hire a former Fed to run the CPD schools. He's likin those fed boys.
For what it's worth, there is only 6 retired police officers monitoring these cameras daily. What I've been told, if it's true
3/10/2008 12:45:00 AM
it is true a few years ago when i was in the academy, yep i am a 2 year wonder, we went to oemc and they showed us the room where they were watching the cameras and it was like 3 guys, retired PO's, it was a joke a bunch of the cameras didnt work and half of the time the cameras were looking at the side a building or a tree etc, because if no one is operating a certain camera they slowly rotate in a 360 rotation
The Principality of Monaco offers the strongest argument for a converse relationship between crime and their ubiquitous street cameras. Every block of every street in this tiny country is covered by monitored cameras while street crime is virtually non-existent.
3/10/2008 12:22:00 AM
Who the fuck is this - Grace Kelly's ghost? I laughed so hard I almost shit myself! Oops, in Monaco they say, "Oh dear, I've gone and soiled myself."
Does the Principalty have a Leclaire Courts? How about just one school like Crane, a typical example of the Chicago Public Circus Animal School?
I say, old chap, when traveling through beautiful Englewood, which is the Chicago equivalent of the Cote D'Azur, stop by any lounge. YOU will be impressed, Chicago-style! Now wave at the cameras!
3/10/2008 09:30:00 AM
hahaha i laughed even harder at your shit you hit the nail on the head dude that was good, and just what i needed
Cameras will replace detectives.
A similar incident occurred in the city North of Chicago near the "large body of water" not too long ago.
A youngster was shot and killed in an alley just north of the High School there. The community complained that it took officers too long to respond (even though they were there within minutes) and criticized the response time as if it had something to do with the young man being shot in the first place.
Additionally, would be onlookers/witnesses cursed and shoved officers on scene as if the officers were the ones who shot this fella. The news reported that the this fella was H.S. football star who was a good kid, but his record showed otherwise.
On a side Note:
There is also a camera "strategically located" on a particular corner in town, but I'm uncertain if the thing works.
The strobes have been turned off, more than likely to appease bothered residents. If that is the case, I don't understand the rationale behind installing the thing to begin with. As we all know that deterrence is the reason of its purpose of being obviously visible.
I guess where I'm getting at is that our tiny "mysterious" city has similar "flaws" (which is an understatement), but on a minor scale, and seems to follow the lead of big Brother(Chicago).
I can foresee this city installing those camera ticketing machines in the future.
When driving the squad through one of those bad boys, I wonder if the city will pay the fine(s) since the registered owner is responsible, not the driver?
Anonymous said...
who is selling tickets for carroll's retirement party? is it true it will be held at chuckee cheese? donny,timmy,& roy can play in the band. maybe they can learn to play "who's ya daddy?"
3/10/2008 10:58:00 PM
Honestly, JP, you can't leave these conniving cronies of "jimmy" at the a-ports.
Time for some spring cleaning!
Anonymous said...
Wear A HOODY, perfect disguise. Bring back the school unit and actually make them patrol outside their assigned school
3/10/2008 07:42:00 AM
Speaking of "Hoodies"
I saw a fat officer at crane HS stuffed into his jacket and he had a "hood" hanging out from the collar.
Camera defense...
"Uh, that ain't me."
Damn! Another criminal mastermind slips through the cracks!
On any given day, Crane H.S. has a whole contigent of officers there at dismissal time, led by a Lt.
Minimum of 10 officers up and down Jackson Blvd. Tact and Beat cars. But not one of them gets out of their warm cars. Maybe if they got their asses out of the cars, this kid would still be alive. Officers Little and Roberts are the only ones who give a shit and actually care about these students. Sure, a lot are stone cold gangbangers, but there's an equal number of good kids stuck in this cesspool.
On any given day, Crane H.S. has a whole contigent of officers there at dismissal time, led by a Lt.
Minimum of 10 officers up and down Jackson Blvd. Tact and Beat cars. But not one of them gets out of their warm cars. Maybe if they got their asses out of the cars, this kid would still be alive. Officers Little and Roberts are the only ones who give a shit and actually care about these students. Sure, a lot are stone cold gangbangers, but there's an equal number of good kids stuck in this cesspool.
3/11/2008 08:27:00 PM
NO if these honor student's parents taught these animals how to behave like human beings they would still be alive. What do you suggest these police officers do violate their rights throw them against the wall search them? what?
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