Sergeants Union EXECUTIVE Board
From the comments, we have this portion of a larger comment posted at 3:05 PM in the post titled "Sergeant Union Caves"
- To, SCC, I appreciate, your blog tremendously, I just wish in this regard, in this particular case. You would have been a little more objective, then, what seemed to me, trying to throw an actual good cop, under the bus. Because he did support the protest. It was those merit tools on the Board that had more votes. He had to put his name on it, we shouldn't be shooting the messenger in this case.
If John Pallohusky supported the picket, he should have said so. Plain and simple. But he's the one who released this statement after the 6-5 vote:
- "The CPSA Executive Board fully understands the frustrations that have prompted the other police unions to take this action, but at this time we believe the interests of the members of the Chicago Police Sergeants' Association are best served by the ongoing negotiation process."
That quote is under President Pallohusky's name. If Pallohusky was so inclined to support the picketers, he should have let the vote stand on it's own, noted his own abstention or negative vote, then showed up to march. We don't know that he did any of this. But we'll give him a chance:
- List the vote by roll. Who were the 6? Who were the 5? Who didn't show up to vote?
We don't envy the spot Pallohusky is in. We've been informed that he doesn't even serve in the off-street capacity that FOP's field reps do. He chooses, for whatever reason, to work in a Detective Area and has one of the vice presidents work at the CPSA Lodge. Unfortunately, that makes him susceptible to outside pressure from the City, because Sergeant of Detectives is an "at-will" spot. You don't test for it. It's granted, like a blessing. And according to at least a few of our commentators, much of the CPSA Board is made up of not only "merit" sergeants, but sergeants in "blessed" spots who don't want to lose those spots. God forbid they'd have to go back to Patrol and mingle with the great unwashed blue shirts.
We understand a huge number of Sergeants turned up to march and good for them. We appreciate that they support the troops. We'll note that is was the Executive Board of the CPSA that voted to not picket and most sergeants probably are as frustrated as the Officers at the pace of contract negotiations and City shenanigans. We remain of the opinion that this was a blown opportunity for the CPSA and Pallohusky and we question that undue influence over job assignments was the catalyst for it.
We understand a huge number of Sergeants turned up to march and good for them. We appreciate that they support the troops. We'll note that is was the Executive Board of the CPSA that voted to not picket and most sergeants probably are as frustrated as the Officers at the pace of contract negotiations and City shenanigans. We remain of the opinion that this was a blown opportunity for the CPSA and Pallohusky and we question that undue influence over job assignments was the catalyst for it.
Labels: contract stuff, FOP
posted by SCC at 12:32 AM
58 Comments:
It was good to see the Filmore SGTs out supporting the picket.
SCC, NOBODY wants that list more than we do.
The board did NOT speak for us, did not consult us, did not consider us, in that vote or statement.
I haven't yet talked to one sergeant who agreed with that STUPID, SHORTSIGHTED stance.
Didn't see any sgt's from 009 there. Guess they were too good to march with the lowly blue shirts.
BUT, did see a LT there that i won't mention b/c our commander is an unbelievable tool. To the LT, you know who you are, we sincerly appreciate it and respect you and thank you for having our backs.
I will say for sure that ALderman Brendan Reiley personally asked me what he can do for the FOP and its members today at the rally/protest. He flat out told me he would not have been elected alderman if it was not for CPD, that he wants to support us. He is a genuine person, have talked to him in the past, I simply told him to attend an FOP meeting and we will hear his voice. I just want members to know he cares, personally asked me what he could do to help our struggle. I mentioned that my alderman is a a complete "drunk", aka Doherty, and that he should be our outspoken aldermanic leader. Please, he is sincere, 8 year officer, let him know how he can help and that we are thankful for his support!!
CFD Local 2 and Sergeants PBPA should be ashamed of themselves.
I wish Kugelman was still running Local 2.
The funny thing I wonder is just how many Sgts showed up versus how many there are. Out of 1300 Sgts, just over half gave enough of a damn to even vote in the last election. A bigger percent of Iragi's vote than do the apathetic people who now stand atop their soap box thumping their chests complaining about the Board.
YOU let a minority choose your current board. Some people ran UNAPPOSED because nobody cared enough to actually get off their ass and run against them. Oh, wait, sound familiar? Let's hope more than the usual 30 people show up for the next board meeting.
As far as this VEBA thing, NO is the right answer. Here the board did the right thing aligning with the LT's & Capt's. And it HAS to be brought before the membership, or the Board vote would have killed it. Read the last contract (if you can find it).
I'm glad people are now waking up with their head out of the sand. Be vocal but be constuctive. If you don't like whats going on MAKE YOUR better idea known. But be prepared to be called names. It seems to be the only thing people do here.
John Pallohusky is one of the best friends a patrolman could ever have.
"We remain of the opinion that this was a blown opportunity for the CPSA and Pallohusky and we question that undue influence over job assignments was the catalyst for it."
If that was the reason for their decision, the board should all be replaced. The board is not looking out for the benefit of the members but themselves. As a sergeant who was out at the protest supporting the troops, this was a definitely an opportunity lost by the PBPA to show how all the police unions are united as one.
Also as a sergeant who works in one of those sweet spots currently, and have in the past, but was never afraid to make the right decision, even if it meant losing my position. I had a brick on me for three years between units, where I was banished to the district on mids for making one of those unfavorable decisions. The problem is some of my colleagues have forgotten where they came from. My motto has always been remember that you are a police officer first and then a supervisor second. This approach has always worked for me. For those members who made a decision based on losing their current sweet jobs, remember where you came from, the worst the department can do to you is send you back to district on midnights, and speaking from experience, so what. Some of my best memories came from working in the districts.
Pallohusky gambled that only 50-100coppers would show up and he lost. Just another sell out that doesn't want to lose his sweet gig at Area 4. Shame on you JUDAS.
Vote this clown and the rest of the board out of their positions next election.
THOSE NIMROD PUT THAT THEY R ON THE BOARD OF THE SGT'S FEEL GOOD GROUP ON THEIR RESUMES.
I SEEN IT MYSELF...
MERIT APPLICATIONS ARE FULL OF CRAP BUT I LOVE MAKING COPIES!
WHY DO WE SEND WHITE SHIRT TO THE FBI ACADEMY ANYWAYS?
DOES ANYONE HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF A SGT DOING SOME HI-SPEED INVESTIGATION. U CANT EVEN GET A SGT 2 PULL FRICKING CRIME SCENE TAPE OUT OF THEIR TRUNK ON A HOMICIDE!!!
Traitor by motorhead:
You stand accused of treason, you offer no good reason
You are a bloody liar, yours is the stake the fire, You say you are innocent, but you be caught and spent
And now you pay the price, for avarice, your vice
Intrigue your sole desire, you sold your wife, your child
You sell your oldest friends, you sold your countrymen
And yet we know your name, traitor, traitor
And now your face is shown, and so your fate is known,
We have discovered you, we have uncovered you,
You say you were led astray, fall on your knees and pray,
Pity is not for you, we'll make things hot for you,
Our hearts we make to harden, for you there is no pardon,
For you the spike awaits, upon the traitors gate,
And crows will eat your eyes, traitor, traitor
Delight we find in you, as we are binding you,
You look in vain for friends, you only find revenge
We give you blood and steel, we break you on the wheel
The ones you hope to sell, will send you straight to hell,
As we dismember you, we shall remember you,
You are abomination, you that betray the nation
You shall take long to die, traitor, traitor!!!
Didn't see any sgt's from 009 there. Guess they were too good to march with the lowly blue shirts.
BUT, did see a LT there that i won't mention b/c our commander is an unbelievable tool. To the LT, you know who you are, we sincerly appreciate it and respect you and thank you for having our backs.
4/03/2009 01:18:00 AM
hey ass- they reported 3600 people there- im from 009 and can tell you there WERE sergeants there
I'm sure that there were sergeants there, but I didn't see any that I recognized. Reminds me of something a sgt once told me, "I'll treat ya nice, but I ain't your friend." Guess it doesn't matter what job you have, a boss is still a boss.
GCG
Since Ald Reily was mentioned on this site for his support of the CPD... you can throw in Ald. Allen as well.
Ald. Allen has helped the CPD on many (unmentioned) occasions and went out of his way to assist the FOP with their requests and concerns.
WE bum-rap (rightfully so) most of the Aldercreatures for their actions, in-actions, lack of backbone and underhanded tactics but when an alderman supports us, it IS noteworthy and we likewise at least need to say..."THANK YOU!"
Didn't see any sgt's from 009 there. Guess they were too good to march with the lowly blue shirts.
BUT, did see a LT there that i won't mention b/c our commander is an unbelievable tool. To the LT, you know who you are, we sincerly appreciate it and respect you and thank you for having our backs.
4/03/2009 01:18:00 AM
Didn't see any sergeants from 009(I guess verta was too busy taking it up the ass from the commander) either but there were plenty of blue shirts there in their place. Way to come together 009. How about another No Confidence vote, FUCK ROY!!!
They are managment, pure and simple. They ride our coat tails after our contracts are agreed upon and then get something better....we DON'T need them. This is our fight!!!
Didn't see any sgt's from 009 there. Guess they were too good to march with the lowly blue shirts.
BUT, did see a LT there that i won't mention b/c our commander is an unbelievable tool. To the LT, you know who you are, we sincerly appreciate it and respect you and thank you for having our backs.
4/03/2009 01:18:00 AM
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Wrong!! There was at least one sergeant there from 009 but since we have a vengeful piece of shit for a commander who hates anybody who is more liked than he and would love to fuck with this well liked stand up sgt we won't mention his/her name. Sarge we know who you were and we appreciate the support.
nice show of SGTs from 014 not. thanks for nothing assholes
I saw my old sgt there.
Thank you.
I saw some bosses in the crowd marching with us, won't name them 'cause I wouldn't want to get them in trouble with the 5th floor, but thanks for being there with us.
I PERSONALLY MARCHED WITH TWO 001 SGTS..THEY ARE TWO OF THE MOST STAND UP GUYS I HAVE EVER MET..THEY DIDNT GIVE A SHIT WHAT THEIR UNION SAID...
John worked for John Thomas, Cline, and the screeming skull. All he got for it was afternoons at Area 4. He is not afraid of HQ, because he already has gotten the shaft. Look at all the Cline guys from Area 5 that are exempt.
John Pallohusky is one of the best friends a patrolman could ever have.
4/03/2009 04:28:00 AM
Oh yeah?? Such a good friend to patrolmen that he decided not to have the thousand sgts join us in our fight for a fair and decent contract. Yeah, sounds like a great guy that always has patrolmen's backs. Get you head out of his ass.
Where was Ringer Rugai? She seems to have no shame in using P/O's to get herself elected but is nowhere to be found when we need support on issues.
John Pallohusky is one of the best friends a patrolman could ever have.
4/03/2009 04:28:00 AM
Was he at the rally???
If not, i think that gives everyone the TRUE answer.
John Pallohusky is one of the best friends a patrolman could ever have.
4/03/2009 04:28:00 AM
DO NOT post while you are drinking or doing drugs. It is against the rules.
As I retired Sergeant, I am saying something I never thought I would say about any police organization. I am ashamed to say I was ever a member of the Sergeants Association. Just sit back, show my support for Daley and we (the members of the board) will all be Lieutenants. Active Sergeants, how about a board that will really represent you?
I've worked with John also in the past. Outstanding detective, one who would risk his job/life to protect another officer. There are more that enough people/creatures who deserve to be shamed, John is not one of them. As President of the sergeant's association he has to convey the messege of the board, whether he likes it or not.
I will say, I sent an e-mail to CSPA and got a nice response back. I still totally disagree with their board's stance, but I appreciated the response. As for you sgts who disagree with your union, voice your opinion and get to meetings. The same is true for us coppers, if you don't like the FOP then attend meetings and force them to work for us. I have not agreed with the FOP's handling of a number of issues, but I will say they did better than average with this protest. I also liked Donahue's statements to media.
John Pallohusky is one of the best friends a patrolman could ever have.
SINCERELY,
John Pallohusky
4/03/2009 02:17:00 AM
Tell Aldermen Reilly to tell Beale he is an asshole and has no respect for the men and women of the CPD. He needs to apologize to us.
Before anyonone says I should do it... I did...I called Beale's office and the answering machine answered. I left the above message and much more words.
As a sergeant I have a lot of respect for the John and Bob Kirchner. I just don't understand the decision of the board and the need to let their decision known. The city isn't negotiating in a reasonable manner, so who gives a shit if they get pissed that the sergeants were going to march. It sends the wrong message to guys that work for us. I feel it could have been handled better
The Sgt's will speak loud and clear while voting for the next term. Count on it.
A5 Gangs Sgt's were there. Thanks for the support guys.
A/5 Gangs Officer
Show us the vote!
Have the sergeant's association make nice. Negotiate out of their next contract that extra half-hour of paid compensation that most sergeants do not work anyway and direct those funds reflect pay increases to the rank and file.
If they did John would be an instant hero.
I was so proud to be part of this rally. Saw many sgts there and some old bosses.
Like him or not... Mike Chasen marched with us.
Saw ald Preckwinckle and Allen there. Not sure if they were there for support or just there.
Did not see Zalewski or Rugi. Maybe I missed them.
Former FOP presidents Nolan and Deneen present and accounted for.
A proud day for me. Hopefully we will see results
(Sgt. John Pallohusky) "is not afraid of HQ, because he already has gotten the shaft." - "Anonymous"; 10:18 AM
You crazy muthafucker. Don't get me started. So you think that being a sergeant assigned to Area 4 HGS is getting "the shaft".
I spent most of my career as a detective. In 1985, I was "promoted" to sergeant and spent the rest of my career assigned as a street supervisor in 025. If I had been given a choice of ANY unit in the entire CPD, Area 4 Homicide would have nearly brought me to orgasm. I loved the D, particularly homicide.
Even if you led the city in Part I felony arrests and a ninety percent homicide clearance rate, you do NOT return to the D as a sergeant without CLOUT. Capiche, Slick?
Moving along, I want to share some information which I gleaned from unidentified source(s) about the CPSA vote to NOT participate in yesterday's awesome display of solidarity.
FIFTEEN elected members of the CPSA voted 9-5-1 against CPSA participation. Notwithstanding, many sergeants and higher ranking officers proudly marched.
To the best of my knowledge, I have never met CPSA president John Pallohusky. Before we crucify this guy, I urge you to establish the identity of the NINE naysayers (as well as the one that abstained).
The FIFTEEN voting members, in no particular order, are:
John PALLOHUSKY, Robert KIRCHNER, James COSGROVE, James ADE, Mary O'TOOLE, Richard WISER, Michael LAZZARO, Michael BURKE, Debra DeYOUNG, Nancy HIGGINS, John STAHL, Lawrence LYNCH, Mark McDERMOTT, Thomas FLAHERTY and Thomas LINNANE.
In my opinion, the one member who abstained just has to be a fuckin' stroke. Barring a plausible explanation (which I can't creatively imagine), the other NINE should be carted off to the guillotine.
(Now retired, I have been a member of the CPSA since my "promotion".)
I will say for sure that ALderman Brendan Reiley personally asked me what he can do for the FOP and its members today at the rally/protest. He flat out told me he would not have been elected alderman if it was not for CPD, that he wants to support us. He is a genuine person, have talked to him in the past, I simply told him to attend an FOP meeting and we will hear his voice. I just want members to know he cares, personally asked me what he could do to help our struggle. I mentioned that my alderman is a a complete "drunk", aka Doherty, and that he should be our outspoken aldermanic leader. Please, he is sincere, 8 year officer, let him know how he can help and that we are thankful for his support!!
4/03/2009 02:17:00 AM
I always thought he'd be a good mayoral candidate. His constituency hates Daley b/c of the children's museum and the Mayor treated Reilly like a total piece of shit going behind his back to get the other aldercreatures to go against Reilly's eminent domain. Something aldermen supposedly NEVER do.
They're all a bunch of whores.
John Pallohusky is one of the best friends a patrolman could ever have.
4/03/2009 04:28:00 AM
Oh yeah?? Such a good friend to patrolmen that he decided not to have the thousand sgts join us in our fight for a fair and decent contract. Yeah, sounds like a great guy that always has patrolmen's backs. Get you head out of his ass.
4/03/2009 10:34:00 AM
I think the first poster was being facetious.
You are dead on. I have always thought that it was completely inappropriate that Pallohusky keep his "spot" in D unit. That is a gift spot, and the city can pressure him with that fact. IT IS WRONG. He was elected to be our fulltime rep, and should be that, and not letting that career sissy boy Ade be doing his job.
SCC,
Thanks for recognizing that the Board's decision did not represent the membership-----wish that more of your readers' comments reflected that too
Did anyone see any supervisors from Area 3 there?
Executive Board
President
John Pallohusky
president@chicagosergeants.org
Vice-President
Robert Kirchner
vicepresident@chicagosergeants.org
Financial Secretary
James Cosgrove
financialsecretary@chicagosergeants.org
Recording Secretary
James Ade
recordingsecretary@chicagosergeants.org
Treasurer
Mary O'Toole
treasurer@chicagosergeants.org
Sergeant At Arms
Richard Wiser
sgtatarms@chicagosergeants.org
Pension Bd. Representative
Michael Lazzaro
pensionbdrep@chicagosergeants.org
Board of Directors
Directors at Large:
Michael Burke
diratlarge1@chicagosergeants.org
Debra DeYoung
diratlarge2@chicagosergeants.org
Nancy Higgins
diratlarge3@chicagosergeants.org
Michael Lazzaro
diratlarge4@chicagosergeants.org
John Stahl
area1director@chicagosergeants.org
Lawrence Lynch
area2director@chicagosergeants.org
Mark McDermott
area3director@chicagosergeants.org
Thomas Flaherty
area4director@chicagosergeants.org
Thomas Linnane
area5director@chicagosergeants.org
Retiree Reps
Don Januszyk
retireerep@chicagosergeants.org
Edward Brennan
George Whiteside
Jacque Boyd
As members of this organization we have the right to know how each of you voted on this issue be prepared to let the membership know and don't hide your decision on this matter.
Sgt. Mike Voight 006th Dist.
I'm a Sgt and these goofs are getting voted out when it comes time to vote.
It is a bosses job to lead, There are no leaders in the Sergeants Union.
This Union forgot where they came from.
Sgt 002 District
I don't know how you can say that Ald. Rugai doesn't support the CPD. Just look at the all the bosses sitting in Cork and Kerry or Cullinan's on Western. Can't tell me Rugai doesn't stand up for the coppers in her ward.
PBPA= Punk Bitch Pussy Asses
As a Sergeant, I can't imagine any reason why the CPSA would not have backed the FOP in this protest. Of course, they never asked the membership. I can say, however, that those sergeants that did show are the only ones that would have gone even if CPSA had supported the FOP. I went to show support for the men and women who go out and do this job every day. I don't need my organization to tell me what is right! The President and Board of the CPSA will have to answer to our membership at the next elections. Please continue to fight for what is right, there are no other options.
Would someone like to file a "Freedom of Information request" and ask what the vote was from ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS so we could publish it here?
- otherwise, everyone just shut up
Would someone like to file a "Freedom of Information request" and ask what the vote was from ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS so we could publish it here?
- otherwise, everyone just shut up
4/04/2009 12:49:00 PM
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No, I don't need a Freedom of Info act request. I plan on going to the next sergeant's meeting 21 May and asking what the hell they were thinking and who voted for what.
I think it must be in the minutes of the meeting and I think those should be available to us.
Of course, if they have the courage of their convictions, they should simply post it on the website and save us the wait.
Even if you led the city in Part I felony arrests and a ninety percent homicide clearance rate, you do NOT return to the D as a sergeant without CLOUT. Capiche, Slick?
How right you are there is a merit sgt (a sgt for 8 months)and he already is back in Area/2. WTF at least spend a year in patrol...You can't past a test but dam your a good dick...
(Sgt. John Pallohusky) "is not afraid of HQ, because he already has gotten the shaft." - "Anonymous"; 10:18 AM
You crazy muthafucker. Don't get me started. So you think that being a sergeant assigned to Area 4 HGS is getting "the shaft".
To brilliant, but certifiably crazy Retired Sergeant Northern.
I turned down a A/4 spot several years ago. Just beacuse "you" blow a load over something doesn't make it a great spot.
Has anybody gotted a response from emails sent to the members of the board?
4/6; 4:05 PM
Different strokes for different folks.
I regard Homicide, and then particulary Area 4 as the most interesting and satisfying unit in the CPD. "The eagle does not hunt flies."
Perhaps your idea of "fun" is sitting in a cubicle somewhere or chasing after weed and pissers. Knock yourself out.
"Certifiably crazy???" Certificate please? Care to either elaborate or apologize?
Meanwhile, does anyone have the confirmed identities of the CPSA 9-5-1 voters?
To the sinecure at 4:05 PM
And praytell, what "spots" have you held, clout baby?
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