What's the Lesson Here?
The City won't provide parking for the police to show up at Traffic Court, on or off-duty. And now, the TMA's and maybe a few overzealous brothers and sisters are ticketing marked and unmarked vehicles? And Officers are being told to pay fines despite the fact the car was parked on "official business?"
In the old days, the midnight people, the day off cops and the afternoon crew could be shuttled to and from Traffic Court by a 2nd Watch car if the Captain was in a good mood and the radio wasn't too nuts.
Now, in an era of less-than-robust ticket writing, what message are we supposed to draw from these ticketings of marked police vehicles? They were already going to Traffic Court for free since they were on duty.
Yeah, that's what we thought, too. Message received loud and clear.
In the old days, the midnight people, the day off cops and the afternoon crew could be shuttled to and from Traffic Court by a 2nd Watch car if the Captain was in a good mood and the radio wasn't too nuts.
Now, in an era of less-than-robust ticket writing, what message are we supposed to draw from these ticketings of marked police vehicles? They were already going to Traffic Court for free since they were on duty.
Yeah, that's what we thought, too. Message received loud and clear.
Labels: info for the police
posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
75 Comments:
only write suspen/revoked. keeps you out of court nad the captn off ur ass.
Listen, man. It's all over!
Time to check out & hit the beaches in La Jolla!
I heard they make some awesome Elotes over there.
SUNKEN SHIP!
Hey CPD, Ace Reporter Phil Schitz wants to know the name of the genius in HQ who came up with writing marked squad cars.
I never have trouble with traffic court. Thats becasue I never go! I never write tickets. LMAO!
well, i considered myself a good little patrolmen.. i would write my 5 parkers and 2 movers with a cta check every day at check off. some days i would get an arrest which was a good day at check off. well, now with the traffic court mess my check off stats will be big zeros when it comes to movers. still need activity so the parkers and occasional arrests will stay... for now
unscrew the plates and drive like postal police and cover the vin.
What a genius idea. Ticket squad cars, force the P.O. to pay. Pissed off P.O. then tickets all city vehicles he/she sees illegally parked......and the city makes them pay as well. Bingo, revenue the city KNOWS it will collect because the "offenders" all have jobs and the city can garnish the fine right out of your paycheck.
I truly hate "the man" but you must admit it is sheer genius.
So, STOP WRITING TICKETS!
Went to Wrigley on Sunday, saw a vehicle parked on Sheffield at Addison, right in front of a fire hydrant, with a load of TMA vests on the dash. No ticket. Time to start pay backs.
It appears the message is DO NOT WRITE TICKETS, because you will be ticketed yourself if you appear in court on any tickets that you write.
That sounds like another morale booster from the genius's running this department.
In 25 years I have never seen it this fucked up. No joke, I can't take this shit seriously any more. My goal is to get through the shift as best I can as I am surrounded by moron self-absorbed supervisors and just don't get hurt or indicted.
If the public only knew how their tax money is being flushed down the toilet...
What the fuck happened to common sense in this city? EMERGENCY VEHICLES. They don't park in spaces that the people need. They park where they can because they are ON DUTY.
Fire can park close to the hydrant. Cops can park in the tow zones. That's why the fucking things are there. That fire lane is for emergency vehicles. You don't put a ticket on those vehicles.
Before the Maggie boxes went in, there was room for emergency vehicles to move. Shortshanks took that away and sends idiots out to ticket. Don't park in that tow zone that was put there for an emergency vehicle. Find legal parking when you're on duty. OK assholes.
What morons we have running around now. And the idiot reporters add fuel to the fire of stupidity that plagues the sheeple.
move traffic court to the local misdemeanor branch, that would eliminate all the clout spots at traffic court and save money. Hey I bet the officers would write more tickets knowing that they would not have to deal with that bullshit down there.
Hey guys/gals...you wanna write the dept.of revenue people tickets?...just troll 001/018..they park illegal everywhere...especially the green tow trucks.
SEND A MESSAGE! Every Monday, use your discretion on tickets until we are provided free parking to attend traffic court to testify for revenue that we make the city. As it is now, they make money on us writing, then make money on us parking to testify on what we wrote. How pimpy!
yes, this dept. is so screwed up you can't even take it seriously anymore.
my personal favorite is when an idiotic order is sent down and then repealed the next day.
CPD really is run by monkeys.
Send me to Skokie for traffic court- its clean
Not only do you have to deal with the driving/parking situation but when you get there you get to deal with that dickhead of a Sgt down there at the sign in desk. Quit acting so miserable and nitpicking everyone comming through the door asshole, i've sat there and watched you do it. I wont write tickets just so I don't have to see your miserable unfriendly ass. Your a stroke. And i've never been written up or talked to bad by you I just watch you do it to others and then people wonder why morale is in the shitter. I'd sign my name but I know you would put a beef in on me!
Guys, be like regular people. Park your squad, and take the el. Nobody in his right mind drives to any appointment in the Loop. The el gets you right there and it's free for you folks in blue. Stop complaining about having to live like the rest of us on something this simple.
I have a question. How can the city make us pay for the tickets when the municipal code states this:
9-64-220 Parking violations – Enforcement – Prima facie responsibility designated.
(a) Whenever any vehicle is parked in violation of any provision of the traffic code prohibiting or restricting vehicular standing or parking, the person in whose name the vehicle is registered with the Secretary of State of Illinois shall be prima facie responsible for the violation and subject to the penalty therefor.
Seems to me the city has to pay the fine. Right? FOP?
Unless there is a general order stating driver is responsible. Can't check, I'm at home.
Anyway, I can't imagine the hearing officer not throwing these out.
Why are some Sgt.'s knocking down cars for traffic violations and then calling for a car to write them? After all I didn't witness the offense. Can't he just write his own tickets? You never lose your court key.
You're a bitch if you write a squad or a car w/ a medallion for that matter. Grow a sack.
Check this out. Hard to say, I don't agree. Unless the officer is in a wheelchair.
It just looks bad. THINK PEOPLE.
You too officer in uniform, radio blaring, in supermarket, pushing full shopping cart, unloading in marked unit trunk parked in fire lane. JESUS! WTF!!
Had do get that off...and no it didn't look like it was for unit party.
http://theexpiredmeter.com/?p=2808
why the hell is traffic court down there anyway?
Ok I got it,hot call anything but a 10-1 legal parking ok I got it,2-4 blocks away ok, but the car will be legally parked boss!
Anonymous said...
move traffic court to the local misdemeanor branch, that would eliminate all the clout spots at traffic court and save money. Hey I bet the officers would write more tickets knowing that they would not have to deal with that bullshit down there.
5/18/2009 08:35:00 AM
Hold Traffic Court in the evenings in the local branch courts: Suggested and rejected when we were kicked out of 321 N. Lasalle.
why can't cops take the cta to traffic court?
free ride and no parking to worry about?
Maybe we can have UIC develop another survey about this.
My question is what happens when a car from 001 is on a call and gets a ticket? It's going to happen eventually. Why are the people running this place bent on f*cking with patrol.
Well this is simple enough for me. Take money out of my pocket while I'm on official police business by ticketing my emergency vehicle and I'm done doing anything. And I'll have no qualms about telling them exactly why I'm not doing shit anymore when I get called into the W/C's office about my lack of activity. Not to mention every ticket I get forced to pay whether it's from one of these worthless fucking meter maids or one of these fucking red light cameras is going to mean 3 days on the medical. These fucks want to know how morale is. They really must be living in another fucking dimension.
What a genius idea. Ticket squad cars, force the P.O. to pay. Pissed off P.O. then tickets all city vehicles he/she sees illegally parked......and the city makes them pay as well. Bingo, revenue the city KNOWS it will collect because the "offenders" all have jobs and the city can garnish the fine right out of your paycheck.
I truly hate "the man" but you must admit it is sheer genius.
5/18/2009 04:32:00 AM
How about pissed off PO then goes on the medical, stops writing anything that produces revenue, hates the city and department, has no morale and just collects a paycheck for the rest of his career. Oh wait, that's already happening and getting worse with each passing day that "the man" enlightens us with his "sheer genius".
At least we know we are pissing them off when this crap is happening.
Keep up the good work SCC. This blog is the only window to the truth in this entire state.
The other day at 8:00am at O'Hare, a TMA supervisor was sitting in front of the American terminal in his city minivan. The way this guy was sawing wood, every tree in Lincoln park could have been down in a singe day.
Funny thing, there were no TMA's visible anywhere, who was he supposed to be supervising?
You sell me condo, I sell you condo. We shake hands! I pour you drink, you pour me drink.
You hold door for me, I hold it door for you. You write me ticket, I write you ticket. The accordion plays!
We have another drink, we hug, we cry, we stab each other.
Like Balkans, no?
Can I have an event number???
"What the fuck happened to common sense in this city?"
--5/18/2009 08:24:00 AM
This is the city that uses the asphalt to make bumps in the streets instead of filling potholes with it.
This is the city that puts up hundreds of miles of useless black metal fencing that keeps nothing in and nothing out.
This is the city that saws hundreds of miles of useless "drainage grooves" down the middle of alleys.
This is the city with the $50,000 plate glass bus shelters that block nearly the entire sidewalk at some spots -- the ones that kids can wreck with one thrown rock, the ones you can't sit down in anyway because the bench is so tiny.
This is the city that puts up forests of ugly, headless cast-iron torsos for dogs to piss on -- and calls it "art."
This is a bankrupt city that is nonetheless struggling to get the biggest financial liability a city could have -- the Olympics -- right in the middle of a depression.
This is Mayor Daley's city.
MAYOR DALEY IS CLINICALLY INSANE
which is EXACTLY WHY WE SHOULDNT WRITE TICKETS! No tickets, no traffic court. Get an easy side job away from here, plenty out there. FUCK THE CITY!!!
I hate to say it, SCC. I've never advocated being a dog-ass. But on of the previous posters is correct here: Only write citations that will NOT require your appearance.
Fuck what this job as digressed into under WEISel/Daley!
Remember if you see no violations then no tickets!!!!!!! Also you get the same pay if you write tickets, arrests, or bus checks or any other bull shit that the city wants or if you do nothing at all! Wake up and give Daley and the rest of the alderthieves and storefront preachers what they want NO SERVICE!!!!!!!! Which equals no beefs and you go home feeling alot less frustrated!!!!!!
What next movers for going through a red light with lights and sirens?
If you see a TMA vested car parked at a Hydrant, HAVE IT TOWED. When the TMA truck refuses, video him passing it by.
How's about some chevrons to keep you quiet ?
I learned this years ago when some asshole court sergeant in traffic court yelled at me for being a few minutes late. WRITE NO TICKETS=NO BULLSHIT TRAFFIC COURT.
News Flash. The Dept. Of Revenue has been given the green light to write tickets on marked and unmarked C.P.D vehicles if your blue lights are not running and you are illegally parked while on offical business. I see alot of dead batterys in the departments future and lot of calls for R-Service.Verified in 018 and 001 Districts, but claiming it's citywide. PO's pays for the ticket.Notified by Commander who had the desk Sgt check it out! Can't wait for this one to blow up in the their face. I wonder who came up with this one.
Handle jobs, write report or code it out, back each other up go home. Nothing more nothing less.
Oh yea, if you write a TMA take a photo and keep it.
I email them to my gmail address, save them, then can pull them up anytime I need to.
Survey for morale? just read this and they can figure it out without wasting my time doing a survey
The Dept. Of Revenue has been given the green light to write tickets on marked and unmarked C.P.D vehicles if your blue lights are not running and you are illegally parked while on offical business.
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Why should cop cars that are not involved in an emergency be treated any different than any other vehicle that is not involved in an emergency?
I might buy the idea that an on duty cop might be called out on an emergency, so I could see this for on duty patrol vehicles, but when the car is basically being used as a bus, I see no reason why the driver should get a pass to park illegally.
Or am I completely misunderstanding the situation?
I got a message via PDT today, as did my whole zone, that the Director of the Department of Revenue has issued a memo stating that ALL police cars, marked and unmarked, will be issued parking citations if parked illegally. No matter if they are on an assignment or not, unless they have the blue lights and/or sirens on they will be ticketed.
This is not the stupidest thing I have ever heard on this department but it sure is close. Now we are at war with Department of Revenue. OK, they get stopped for going three miles over the limit, obstruction of traffic etc. fuck this shit. This is Daley, you can bet on it.
This is similar to when the commander of traffic was having all police cars towed from in front of the old traffic court building at 321 N LaSalle St.
Marked squad cars, Illinois State Police cars, unmarked cars, all of them, towed away by city tow trucks. And the citizens just stood by in amazement and watched. Their tax money was paying for all of it.
So listen to this Director of Department of Revenue, issue my squad car a parking citation, go ahead, I dare you, I fucking dare you. I guarantee I will go on medical for three days for each and every parking ticket I receive.
Fuck you stupid assholes in charge of Dept. of Revenue and fuck Daley most of all.
To the civilian who suggested the CTA. I think you missed the part about they are ticketing marked vehicles being used by on-duty personnel attending court. Hard to park and ride the train while you are working.
Guys, be like regular people. Park your squad, and take the el. Nobody in his right mind drives to any appointment in the Loop. The el gets you right there and it's free for you folks in blue. Stop complaining about having to live like the rest of us on something this simple.
5/18/2009 09:32:00 AM
Man your fucking retarded. I gladly take the El during my 8 or 10 hour tour. Just like you regular folk, just don't expect men to answer any calls on the beat or produce activity because I'll be downtown for 2-4hours. Just imagine how dick off time I could squeeze in there, stupid GPS stuck in car. YYYYYYESSSSSSS. Sign me up Jody, I demand this policy be put into full effect now.
""The other day at 8:00am at O'Hare, a TMA supervisor was sitting in front of the American terminal in his city minivan. The way this guy was sawing wood, every tree in Lincoln park could have been down in a singe day.
Funny thing, there were no TMA's visible anywhere, who was he supposed to be supervising?
5/18/2009 12:54:00 PM""
I certainly hope you took a picture with your camera phone from the public way and forwarded it to
PAMMY.
News Flash. The Dept. Of Revenue has been given the green light to write tickets on marked and unmarked C.P.D vehicles if your blue lights are not running and you are illegally parked while on offical business. I see alot of dead batterys in the departments future and lot of calls for R-Service.Verified in 018 and 001 Districts, but claiming it's citywide. PO's pays for the ticket.Notified by Commander who had the desk Sgt check it out! Can't wait for this one to blow up in the their face. I wonder who came up with this one.
5/18/2009 04:06:00 PM
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Then 023 will NEVER see any police service again. There's no place to park a squad on a hot call, so they'll have to wait til a LEGAL space is found??? I foresee huge lawsuit settlements in the future, as the City pays for its shortsighted greed after people die as a result of p.o.'s seeking legal parking before responding.
Guys, be like regular people. Park your squad, and take the el. Nobody in his right mind drives to any appointment in the Loop. The el gets you right there and it's free for you folks in blue. Stop complaining about having to live like the rest of us on something this simple.
5/18/2009 09:32:00 AM
Are you a fucking idiot???? These officers are ON FUCKING DUTY you asshole. I don't want them taking the fucking EL to court. They belong in the squad car patrolling, not sitting on the fucking EL. They actually have to hold themselves down on the radio as going to court because I repeat again THEY ARE ON DUTY!!!!!! They are assigned to a squad car! How fucking retarded has this city, department, and citizens become? It's unbelievable.
Anonymous said...
move traffic court to the local misdemeanor branch, that would eliminate all the clout spots at traffic court and save money. Hey I bet the officers would write more tickets knowing that they would not have to deal with that bullshit down there.
5/18/2009 08:35:00 AM
Many of you don't even know that Traffic Court used to be at 321 N. LaSalle for decades, until Jan. 2001. Parking around there wasn't great but it was doable, and no one wrote the coppers. Of course the city lot across the street was much cheaper in those days, as well. The City owned that building but sold it.
The County balked at building a new Court complex near the OEMC Center, so they squeezed into the Daley Ctr.
Parking around there wasn't great but it was doable, and no one wrote the coppers. Of course the city lot across the street was much cheaper in those days, as well.
Anonymous said...
Hey guys/gals...you wanna write the dept.of revenue people tickets?...just troll 001/018..they park illegal everywhere...especially the green tow trucks.
5/18/2009 08:54:00 AM
They also work out of a location in 019, a bit south of Diversey on Ashland
"... Anyway, I can't imagine the hearing officer not throwing these out."
5/18/2009 09:42:00 AM
Of course not... unless of course the Stuttering Prick said not to.
Anonymous said...
why the hell is traffic court down there anyway?
5/18/2009 10:09:00 AM
Cook County spent $16 million building 18 temporary courtrooms scattered on the fourth floor, concourse and lower level of the center, 50 W. Washington. The courtrooms will be used until a new courthouse is built on the West Side (never happened).
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-4575790.html
Message I get is: DO NOT WRITE ANY TICKETS FOR TRAFFIC COURT! PERIOD!
This is the game they want then they will get nothing out of me!
Anonymous said...
"... My question is what happens when a car from 001 is on a call and gets a ticket? It's going to happen eventually..."
5/18/2009 11:52:00 AM
I'm sorry squad, I know I've been on this call for 90 minutes, but there is no legal parking around here... let me get back to you.
************** OR **************
Squad, could you have the complainant come down out of the Sears Tower and meet me in front?
************** OR **************
19-Paul, Advised complainant that they have to report it at the desk.
Park legally an all jobs except those concerning us. 1 hr on a simple battery report, sorry squad still looking for parking, might be looking for another hour. This is beyond stupid.
Years ago I got a ticket on my squad which was parked In the alley behind 11th & state while I was in gun court. I went back to my w/c and told him about the ticket. He told me I had to pay it. I told him I'll go to court and fight it and also put in a slip for OT because the ticket was duty related. He took the ticket and had it non Suited.
I know the people that run this city and department are complete assholes but are they this fucked up?Is this verified or rumor?I gotta know.
Anonymous said...
You sell me condo, I sell you condo. We shake hands! I pour you drink, you pour me drink.
You hold door for me, I hold it door for you. You write me ticket, I write you ticket. The accordion plays!
We have another drink, we hug, we cry, we stab each other.
Like Balkans, no?
5/18/2009 12:55:00 PM
Yes, they pretend to pay us, we pretend to work.
Anonymous said...
I have a question. How can the city make us pay for the tickets when the municipal code states this:
9-64-220 Parking violations – Enforcement – Prima facie responsibility designated.
(a) Whenever any vehicle is parked in violation of any provision of the traffic code prohibiting or restricting vehicular standing or parking, the person in whose name the vehicle is registered with the Secretary of State of Illinois shall be prima facie responsible for the violation and subject to the penalty therefor.
Seems to me the city has to pay the fine. Right? FOP?
Unless there is a general order stating driver is responsible. Can't check, I'm at home.
Anyway, I can't imagine the hearing officer not throwing these out.
5/18/2009 09:42:00 AM
The city will give the citation to you along with a copy of the employee indebtedness order. Then file a grievance. The registered owner is responsible, just like I am responsible for tickets written on my plate.
They will have to go to court and sue you to make you pay but of course the rules do not apply to the city. They will simply order you to pay.
Then you pay and take a week off on the company. Brilliant move. Writing a parking ticket on a police car and expecting the policeman to pay without some retribution is foolish. It will cost the city more in lost time and productivity. Then they can have a survey to measure morale.
They they can shove the fucking survey up their ass.
What a genius idea. Ticket squad cars, force the P.O. to pay. Pissed off P.O. then tickets all city vehicles he/she sees illegally parked......and the city makes them pay as well. Bingo, revenue the city KNOWS it will collect because the "offenders" all have jobs and the city can garnish the fine right out of your paycheck.
I truly hate "the man" but you must admit it is sheer genius.
Well, I guess if we all sucomb to misdirected anger then it pays off. I think it more likely that I will never right another mover again.
Guys, be like regular people. Park your squad, and take the el. Nobody in his right mind drives to any appointment in the Loop. The el gets you right there and it's free for you folks in blue. Stop complaining about having to live like the rest of us on something this simple.
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Anonymous said...
I got a message via PDT today, as did my whole zone, that the Director of the Department of Revenue has issued a memo stating that ALL police cars, marked and unmarked, will be issued parking citations if parked illegally. No matter if they are on an assignment or not, unless they have the blue lights and/or sirens on they will be ticketed.
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I'm leaving my siren on. Wooooo-woooo-woooo!!!!
"Or am I completely misunderstanding the situation?
5/18/2009 05:09:00 PM"
The situation isn't the only thing that you're completely misunderstanding.
To the civilian who suggested the CTA. I think you missed the part about they are ticketing marked vehicles being used by on-duty personnel attending court. Hard to park and ride the train while you are working.
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let me get this. You are driving along the street on your normal patrol shift and then they divert you to traffic court?
or is it more like they loan you a vehicle to drive yourself there for a court date like it sounded to me.
First of all, the NO PARKING situation WAS taken into account when they moved Traffic Court downtown into the "Shortshanks Center." (say that 10 times fast )
They knew it would encourage a lot of people to just pay the tickets rather that have the hassle of driving into the Loop and paying $25.00 to park.
While on topic, it's the same thing at 400 W. Superior, (AKA da' Kangaroo Court) with the city payroll 'hearing officers' meeting their quota of guilty findings. Try and protest a BS parking ticket by mail and see what happens.
I imagine there's a whole room of political appointees sitting around opening protest letters, tossing the contents in the garbage and rubber stamping the response... "Liability determined, pay up chump!"
You can find the room yourself. Just walk down the hallway and listen for the room that you can hear the, " Bwaahahahahahaha's emanating from within!
Why should cop cars that are not involved in an emergency be treated any different than any other vehicle that is not involved in an emergency?
I might buy the idea that an on duty cop might be called out on an emergency, so I could see this for on duty patrol vehicles, but when the car is basically being used as a bus, I see no reason why the driver should get a pass to park illegally.
Or am I completely misunderstanding the situation?
5/18/2009 05:09:00 PM
Yes your fucking retarded. We cannot use squad cars as "buses." The off-duty police either take the bus,train, or drive and park in a garage. It would be nice, but the on-duty police kind of need them. So no I can't take a squad car to go to Great America either.
"let me get this. You are driving along the street on your normal patrol shift and then they divert you to traffic court?
or is it more like they loan you a vehicle to drive yourself there for a court date like it sounded to me.
5/19/2009 08:46:00 AM"
No, I won't let you 'get this'.
Get it?
Big cases = big problems
Little cases = little problems
No cases = NO PROBLEMS
STOP WRITING TICKETS!!! If citywide ticket totals drop off by 60% for one month, it will put an end to this bullshit and let Daley know the union is a serious contender. FOP, grow a pair of balls...
Didn't Jody get a ticket in 014? Didn't he get it taken care of? Sounds like a double standard. Stop doing work!!! Just answer your calls and coast.
By having the officers take public transportation to court, tey are saving on gas and wear and tear on the vehicles. In addition, by being on the train and bus in full uniform, they porttray a safe environment on the vehicle, so there will be no crimes committed. Did anyone think of that, added protection on CTA by having officers use it for going downtown to court? on other manner of ticketing police cars ? it ends up a wash! In effect the city "pays" the ticket and gets the money right back! Net accounting effect? Zero. Nada.
To the civilian who suggested the CTA. I think you missed the part about they are ticketing marked vehicles being used by on-duty personnel attending court. Hard to park and ride the train while you are working.
5/18/2009 05:58:00 PM
But not so difficult to feed a meter or park in a garage like everyone else must while working. You won't be responsible for any tickets if you park legally in the first place.
And when you're on an emergency call you don't park legally anyway. You block a fire hydrant or the street.
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