Daley Pleads
Mayor Daley made a personal appeal to three hold-out unions today, but could not convince them to swallow cost-cutting concessions that would avert the need for 650 layoffs.
"We don't want to give up paid holidays. We negotiated for those years and years ago," Phillips said.
He added, "You're never willing to see people laid off. But, we can't concede everything we've worked for."
Very true - but here comes the grenade:
"It's not fair across the board. Not everybody's taking the hurt like they want us to take," Clair said, noting that police officers and firefighters "are city employees also" and should not be sacred cows.
They seem to be setting the table for a "blame the police and fire departments" when our contracts are finally settled. We got the short end of the stick when times were good, now we're going to take another hit when times are bad?
Labels: contract stuff
posted by SCC at 12:04 AM
132 Comments:
next time a guy runs down an alley with a gun.....call clair. or call when a fireman goes into a burning building thats about to collaspe.did the mayor or aldermen refuse their pay increases? i believe 6 of 50 did. did they cut the million dollar per ward slush funds? this is bullshit! i know one thing about these negoiations....only 1 side is playing fair!
That's on them, the unions should never had taken that 10 year contract that the little shit offered them. They should have waited until we finished with our contract. Now they are cring because the little shit FUCKED them, he went back on his word, no suprise he's good for doing that. THAT LITTLE PRICK. Tell them to re-elect new union bosses because the old ones are on the payroll!!!!!
F#@^ you donut eating bastards. Time to cowboy up! All the unions should get together and go after the ALdercreatures and hit them in their pocketbook. Lets see if the aldercreatures want to give up 8% of their salry. Give up their stipends for their Ward Offices, Committeesthey head, and pay more for their medical like the rest of the City employees.
But year after year time after time we all sit back and watch the greedy corrupt politicians vote themselves heafty raises and Daley gives them all his blessing. We all watch this over and over. How about Daley give up on his legacy dream and drop the olympic bid and use all the money to make the city strong again. We can't afford the olympics and people should start realizing that!
Nows the time for FOP and SCC to start hitting the city up for getting rid of residency since they can't afford to pay us. After you have a certain amount of time on the job (15-20 years?), you should be allowed to live outside the city at a certain radius. Using the years to let us trickle out will save property values and prevent a mass exodus. We are not going to get any raise this time around... might as well use it to our advantage.
Ya think it's time for that next march now?
They gotta blame someone.
And we only have ourselves to blame!
Soemone in the media should look into thye lies Daley is telling. There is so much to uncover. Ask him how the olympics won't cost the tax payers when all the other projects went way over budget. Ask him about hidden money. Ask him about payoff's and pension theft for property. Ask him about sluh funds and TIF's. Ask him if it would be better to fix the city with the hidden money rather then put it in major debt over the olympics. Start calling him out on his lies PLEASE!!!!!
Anonymous said.....
OT--midnite 2206 team makes another burglary arrest in beverly......102nd/seeley. tell your friends and family to lock their doors. offender was from 005.
TWENTY AND OUT SAYS:
NO, tell your family and friends to buy a shotgun and leave the doors UNLOCKED. Give the next offender front row tickets to the Michael Jackson concert!
Ya know they keep moving these section 8 lowlife do nothing want everything for free closer and closer to nice neighborhoods.
BrynMawr Elston area full of 1's from Cabrini Green. They get to live there for free, terrorize our kids and reek their havoc all for free. And we get to pay taxes to live this way! Thanks Mayor Daley!
Fuck you Clair...you are a pussy!!!
Come on MEDIA!! Start getting on Daley about how much the olympics will cost the city. You guys have seen all the polls. Neary every one has a greater than 76% against the olympics. I have seen a few polls on the local news stations over 80% against. LETS GO MEDIA HELP THE CITIZENS OF CHICAGO GO AFTER THIS DICTATOR!!!!!
And so it seems the (retired) tact sgt from 024 who was championed by Weis as his "Morale Liasion" decided that Weis was full of it and resigned his post. Sgt, I am proud of you and know that you have done something worthy of rememberance. I may have not liked you in the past but I will always remember you now, as the one who told us the truth "Weis don't care about you or your families". Thank you and God Bless. Where do I buy a retirement party ticket ?
For all intents and purposes, the Police Department has already been hit with layoffs. With the Stuttering Prick's refusal to hire the budgeted # of officers while the ranks are depleted through attrition, the city has been left in dire straits, (where is all that money going, btw?).
Its about that time to go on strike
fuck the 'no strike' law who's gonna enforce it?
Open the Books!!!!!!
Did the aldermen concede their raise?
"It's not fair across the board. Not everybody's taking the hurt like they want us to take," Clair said, noting that police officers and firefighters "are city employees also" and should not be sacred cows.
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A couple of thoughts, here. First, Tom Clair is Secretary/Treasurer for Teamsters 726 (snow-plow drivers). He should represent THEM and refrain from discussing other unions that he has no business discussing. It makes him and the people he represents come across like a bunch of pussies, crying about other situations and contracts that do not pertain to him.
Secondly, I'm thinking that the vast majority of our citizenry would recognize that if sacrifices have to be made in city services, conventional wisdom says you are better off with fewer snow-plow drivers than you are with fewer cops and firemen.
Rattling your sabre at us, Mr. Clair, is pointless and counter-productive. Perhaps you should demand that the Stuttering Prick open up the books and see where the money is at? PROVE that there is no money lying around... PROVE that the city cannot fulfill your contract... We all know he's lying!!!
"Clair said, noting that police officers and firefighters "are city employees also" and should not be sacred cows. They seem to be setting the table for a "blame the police and fire departments" when our contracts are finally settled."
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Question: Who is this Clair? A Daley hack? It sounds like he wants to create a rift between the police/fire unions and the other unions. It's just what Daley wants: More divide and conquer!
Look how bad things are now out there, she wants to layoff the police?
SCC,
Da Mayor will throw a copper under the bus in a NYC second, take a read:
Daley: Chief's actions didn't warrant termination
http://www.suntimes.com/news/cityhall/1657076,daley-personnel-chief-termination-070809.article
I say it's time to stop excepting being lumped in with these other unions, they're a big part of the problem anyway. The driver drives and does nothing else, the pourer pours, the painter paints, etc... Police and fire do many things on top of risking their lives..
Answer your calls and nothing more. Sounds like an Edgar Allen Poe poem.
The unions give in to this asshole now and he wins. This bum is holding back billions for the olympics that he thinks is his. Fuck him. walk off now and he will cry like the little bitch he is.
We are operating WAY under budget, we've not had a raise for OVER 2 years, and command staff & non-union civilians have lost pay - I'd say we've already taken the hit.
RETIREMENT PART FOR E.T. CAMPBELL TONITE AT BURBOUN STREET 1900-2300HRS
7/09/2009 12:33:00 AM
You fuckers with this residency shit are dumb as hell. What about us who have homes and not some shit hole apartment? They lift residency and some of these solvent neighborhoods property values will drop like stones. Then we will be living in houses that are worth loads less then what we were forced into paying for in the first place. You people are stupid. How about residency stays and we actually get a decent fucking contract with a decent God damned wage? Ever think about that asshat?
Times are tough..sure. But you can't cry empty pockets to us when you're sitting on billions. I am all for those unions going on strike to make a point. These same unions that backed him election after election have to take off the gloves and throw down or he'll forever be trying to union bust. Let's see the books!
Here's another real gem
Daley's city hall continues to steal while you just watch ($6983.00 for a $199.00 chainsaw)
that's correct, a front company marks up the goods big time and YOU foot the bill. If this were France, Italy, or Germany there would be people in the streets. Why are you people so fucking complacent? Must be the water, what else could it be?
http://www.citypayments.org/contract/s021144b-poulan-pro-model-180-chainsaw-23-ci-dept-of-streets-
We cantg stick together with "regular" unions we dont have t he power to strike... GO ON STRIKE you dont likeyour contract !
The Old United States Post Office on Van Buren St downtown Chicago:
In taking the property to auction, the postal service severed ties with the development firm Walton Street Capital, which had crafted plans for the site for more than a decade. It settled on a scheme to shrink the building, taking out floors that pass over the expressway and converting the rest into a hotel, offices and condominiums.
Walton Street secured a $51 million subsidy pledge from the city but couldn't get financing for construction. The firm has said it will consider bidding at the auction.
Well the city of chicago has doled out millions of dollars to developers involved in real estate deals but when it comes to unions and its labor workforce its crumbs or nothing!
SCC reports that Gov. Quinn is planning to release 1,000 inmates from the IDOC due to layoffs of correctional officers. Tom Clair, Teamster hack, opines that the CPD should not be treated as a "sacred cow" and that POs should be required to take unpaid days off just like truck drivers.
Can everyone see where this is going? We have morons in government, cretins running unions, and convicted felons about to be set free to prey upon the innocent and the powers that be want to take more police off the streets.
Would the last one out of this shithole city and state please turn out the lights!
"Nows the time for FOP and SCC to start hitting the city up for getting rid of residency since they can't afford to pay us. After you have a certain amount of time on the job (15-20 years?), you should be allowed to live outside the city at a certain radius. Using the years to let us trickle out will save property values and prevent a mass exodus. We are not going to get any raise this time around... might as well use it to our advantage."
You are an idiot for a few reasons.
First, time on the job allows you to leave the city? Never gonna happen- it opens the door for all to leave one day. The only thing that keeps this city from being Detroit is us living here.
Second, using residency instead of a raise (which is what you would give up) would screw all the guys under 15 years! S0 someone, like me who has 12 years on, gets nothing so idiots like you can move out? Wake up dick juice drinker!
Third, try understanding past contracts. They always say we wont get a raise or retro yet we ALWAYS do and will again. Abitration reviews past contracts and will give us a raise based on past contracts.
Last, giving up a raise or retro would set a nasty trend for future contracts. The city would always cry broke so we would never get a raise again. Also, if you have 20 years on the job retire and move!
Try thinking before you spew your brain drippings all over the rest of us!
"Its about that time to go on strike
fuck the 'no strike' law who's gonna enforce it?"
Stop trying to think, you might hurt yourself!
Where have these union officals been for the last 2 plus years weve been waiting on a contract. 2 years ago when his union was signing a contract with nice raises Clair wasnt saying what a bout the police and fireman they deserve a contract too. Screw him screw Daley and screw these whole corrupt town. Let the bodys pile up I dont give a crap, write them a report and send them on their way.
Hopeful words heard from Harris' attorney on Chicago front
John Kass
July 9, 2009
Ekl was asked: Has Harris been questioned about other events before he joined the Blagojevich administration -- for example, when he worked at City Hall?
"I'll tell you this," said Ekl, aware that Shortshanks and the boys would be hanging on his every word. "When John Harris began to cooperate with the government, he did not pick and choose the subject matters. He's been questioned about a variety of subjects. He's been truthful and honest about all of those, and I'm not going to have anything further to say about what he has talked about in terms of other investigations."
chicagotribune.com
the police officers and firemen are going to take days off just like all city workers why not because the mayor wants it just ask mark fop is fucked time to walk guys
There is talk of laying off 911 dispatchers and call takers. If so it will make our job easier. No radio assignments. Of course people will probably die if they do that but at least Daley will have the money for his Olympics
THE UNIONS MEMBER DONT VOTE IN BLOCKS ANYMORE!
THE SAME COULD BE SAID 4 US AT THE VOTING BOOTH.
MADIGANS SHIT CANNING ARE BUDGET
DALEYS SELLING EVERYTHING NOT NAILED DOWN 4 THE OLYMPICS
STROGERS TAXING US OUT OF BUSINESS
AND ALL THE UNIONS ENDORSED ALL THE ABOVE.
CHECK UR OLD FOP NEWSLETTERS!
police and fire risk there lives everyday they go to work[we accept this] i am not giving up pay for anyone bitches!How many alderman have died in the line of duty,thats right zero!local 2 and FOP you better dig in and fight no retreat!fuck daley,masters to.
I really hope the FOP holds out. I'd hate to see a less than adequate contract come across the table. The alderman are part time workers at best make over a hundred grand a year PLUS all the other things that come their way.
Why the HELL isn't the media jumping all over the fact that John Harris was hired by Daley as a civilian ADS.
Nows the time for FOP to step up,right.They are worse then the city.They will stap you in the back.Evey time you call them,what do they say.Nohing they can do .what can they do.hold a march 5 blocks away from the hotel where they Committees are at.BIS they fucked that up,safesummer,fucked that up.Tma lawsuit fucked that up,bears security,fucked that up,time due fucked that up.but when its time to go golfing or go out on ur dime nothing to good.So the next time someone tells you the fop is great tell them for what.hire a real union.why are they such losers.Mark and sid they are not one of us.they have fucked us just like the city.cooter said
We can't strike. There was a contingency plan drawn up back in the early '80s for just such a situation. Supervisors and National Guard troops will do patrol. Then each and every striker will be called in front of an exempt board and ordered back to work, refuse and you are fired on the spot. The plan figures that enough will return to duty and the strike will be broken. The only option we have is regular and massive informational picketing at various locations around the city,orderly but loud. I am retired now but will be there with you. BE SAFE!
Anonymous said...
Nows the time for FOP and SCC to start hitting the city up for getting rid of residency since they can't afford to pay us. After you have a certain amount of time on the job (15-20 years?), you should be allowed to live outside the city at a certain radius. Using the years to let us trickle out will save property values and prevent a mass exodus. We are not going to get any raise this time around... might as well use it to our advantage.
7/09/2009 12:33:00 AM
Yea that would work, lets move to the burbs and pay $8,000+ for taxes, pay extra for garbage and water! Then you try to sell the city house and take a huge loss, sorry bad idea!
Give Daley an inch, he'll take Bensenville!
It's not fair across the board. Not everybody's taking the hurt like they want us to take," Clair said, noting that police officers and firefighters "are city employees also" and should not be sacred cows.
I 100% absolutely positively agree!!! We are not sacred and should have to take 10 unpaid furlo days. I vote on the first week of August for the fire dept. and the second week of August for the police dept.
PLEASE SEE OUR SIDE!!!
80% OF THE CORPORATE BUDGET IS POLICE AND FIRE.
10% IS ALL OTHER CITY WORKERS. CLERICAL, PLUMBERS, CARPENTERS, PIPE FITTERS, ETC.
JERKOFFS ON THE 5TH FLOOR ARE TRYING TO BALANCE THE BUDGET BY CUTTING THE SMALLEST PERCENT OF WORKERS.
I THINK THE MAJORITY OF OUR THINKING "RATIONAL" IS THAT ANY LAYOFFS OR LOST PERKS SHOULD BE ACROSS THE BOARD.
NO SACRED COWS!!!
ALDERFUCKS INCLUDED!!
To all of our Hero's in Blue know this: We the real citizens of Chicago know that the blame belongs only in one place: Rich Daley.
He has robbed this city blind and continues to do so. All of you are fighting a battle with no equipment and no support. We know this and we thank you for keeping up the good fight.
Thank you CPD!
Hey little dick. I dare you to lay off cops. You think the bloodbath is a thorn in your fat ass now? Wait until the first cop gets a pink slip.
What the hell have they been doing with the funds they have taken from us for years, decades even? When we are funded for 13,500 people and we only have maybe 9,500, what are they doing with the surplus funds? It's certainly not going for equipment or training. It's for sure not being used to hire more Officers. Why the hell is my city sticker so damned expensive and we still have to pay to park on the street? Where is the money going???????
"And so it seems the (retired) tact sgt from 024 who was championed by Weis as his "Morale Liasion" decided that Weis was full of it and resigned his post. Sgt, I am proud of you and know that you have done something worthy of rememberance. I may have not liked you in the past but I will always remember you now, as the one who told us the truth "Weis don't care about you or your families". Thank you and God Bless. Where do I buy a retirement party ticket ?
7/09/2009 12:53:00 AM"
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Was that Pete K?
Good for them...maybe we can transfer some of their union heads over to OURS?
Dont give in to this asshole mayor of ours. Fuck HIM!!
And so it seems the (retired) tact sgt from 024 who was championed by Weis as his "Morale Liasion" decided that Weis was full of it and resigned his post. Sgt, I am proud of you and know that you have done something worthy of rememberance. I may have not liked you in the past but I will always remember you now, as the one who told us the truth "Weis don't care about you or your families". Thank you and God Bless. Where do I buy a retirement party ticket ?
7/09/2009 12:53:00 AM
Please tell us more about this guy and what happened. We all need to be more educated about the ways of Weiss(the non-police) and how he feels about us.
Just a passing thought, what happens if the remaining three unions refuse Daleys' cuts and upon suffering layoffs they opt to go on strike? Would the other labor unions honor their picket lines thereby effectively shutting down the city? Would this be enough to hopefully cause an aneurism to burst in Daleys' tiny little brain. Hopefully the paramedics would have trouble working their way through the picket lines and be unable to reach the little bastard in time to save him.
The unions back this clown for mayor while he privatizes everything he can in an attempt to break the unions. The teamsters are the funniest they want to represent us and then some clown that works for them calls the police and fire sacred cows? jeez get your head out of your ass and look in the mirror, the media won't touch daley so don't hold your breath waiting for it. dickhead does as he pleases because he knows he will be the mayor for as long as he wants. wake up sheeple before he leases the city as a garbage dump
GOOD IDEA ON THE RESIDENCY. ANOTHER IDEA IS A LAWSUIT TO HAVE THE RESIDENCY RULE TOSSED OUT DUE TO THE MASSIVE VIOLENT CRIME IN THIS CITY AND HOW IT IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO LIVE HERE ON A CITY PAY CHECK.
FORCING SOMEONE TO LIVE IN A DANGEROUS CITY SOUNDS LIKE A VIOLATION OF OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.
FOP STEP UP AND FILE SUIT. I KNOW IT WAS A CONDITION OF EMPLOYMENT WHEN WE HIRED ON, BUT I DON'T THINK ANYONE ANTICIPATED THE MASSIVE SPIKE IN VIOLENCE AND GUN RELATED CRIME.
COULD GET SOME JUDGE TO ALLOW US TO LEAVE THE CITY. ITS WORTH A SHOT. START THE PROCESS NOW. KEEP APPEALING TO WE WIN OR UNTIL WE RUN OUT OF COURTS THAT WILL HEAR IT.
GOD KNOWS WE HAVE PLENTY OF LAWYERS AND THE FOP HAS THE CASH.
WTF GIVE IT A SHOT
It almost sounds like a ruse to divide city workers should they decide to unite.
Hey union guys..im 55yrs old and have 28yrs on the CPD, every time i went to vote i didn't see cops and fireman standing out side the doors telling me to vote for Daley, it was all you guys that got your jobs from your grandfathers,fathers,uncles,and aldermen..so you guys wanted him..well you fucking got him,,,I/F
Snow plow drivers? Gimme a break, they're tough guys not crybabys. Don't blame another bargaining group fella's, yer sounding like da media. Da mare, da mare. Place the blame where it belongs for Gods sakes.
Daley has completely bankrupted the City.
"Its about that time to go on strike
fuck the 'no strike' law who's gonna enforce it?
7/09/2009 01:02:00 AM"
The arbitrator.
city truck driver sits in truck while laborers do the work
only in chicago
Does this Clair jagoff realize the additional money we can cost him and his constituents?
Start ticketing every city truck driver for every violation observed, and let him know why he or she is getting the ticket.
Maybe that would get that smug prick voted out of his cushy job
Instead of Daley always asking the unions to have there members take unpaid furloughs, why doesn't he ask the Aldercreatures to decrease their salaries or take unpaid days...or maybe cut the aldercreaters in half...I can't understand how the aldercreatures have the power to give themselve's raises...The tax paying citizens of Chicago should vote every 4 years to determine if they (aldercreatures) should or shouldn't receive raises. Hell, I wish we had the power to give ourselves raises and bonuses whenever we wanted and especially during these economic times
There is so much waste in this city its unbelievable. All patronage jobs for the Daly army. Start with city jobs that are uneeded and you will lay off thousands. The useless traffic aids, the city welders, the ridiculous water department that is a huge scandal all by itself. Don't cry to me about jobs. Government wasn't created to employ the masses so when times are tough do what's necessary!
Don't get sidetracked by the "us vs. them" rhetoric! These unions holding the line and forcing Daley to play his hand with the layoffs is the best chance in 20 years to damage him! They should call a general strike for their members if he does lay people off. They can, we can't, and in the end it will benefit us if they beat him!
***ring**ring***
Mayor: "hello? who? no, clair cant come to the phone..why ..cause he's blowing me..click
Phillips, don't drag us in to your trouble.
I haven't heard you complain to the mayor about lack of contracts for the police and firefighters, that on numerous occasions have taken years to get.
I for one let city workers slide on minor traffic violations while they are working. You keep your shit up and no more plays for the boys.
Please get back to me on this so I can review the prcedures for making notification to the IG's office for writing city workers tickets.
Thanks.
A non-cop, taxpaying citizen says you guys should say fuck the contract, and go on strike anyway. Just give us a little notice so we can load magazines and get ready. I'd rather have that than the slow devolving of this city into chaos. They want to stiff you guys? Stiff them first. The IOC will take notice for sure, and so will everyone else out there that doesn't read your blog and have a pulse on what's going on behind the scenes. They'll have to concede, and perhaps your stand will force others to stand as well.
DO IT!
Be aware though that the liberals may demonize you (who cares what they think). Maybe it'll inspire them to move? One can only hope.
drove by the old Henry Horner homes yesterday ... ya, I know they're gone ... now they give away nice houses for free, huh ?????
Residency must go. If you havent noticed that your property value has already dropped and has nothing to do with who lives in your neighborhood.
First off, not all of us would leave. Most likely only a small portion would leave for that exact reason. They couldnt sell their house for what they think its worth or they have mortgaged it to the hilt and the house isnt worth what the mortgage is costing. So you wont see a mass exodus.
Its the same old tired line that we have been hearing for years "it will never happen" It will never happen because we NEVER push for it to happen. NEVER>
Simple economics tells you that you can live outside this city far cheaper than you can living in it. The mayor doesnt control the burbs, he may have some influence but if you have any intelligence what so ever you can clearly see he doesnt control them So lose that argument. Argue something intelligent, not the boring old ramblings of people who dont understand economics and real estate.
No one said you have to move out if the residency is lifted. Why not take a poll and see how many would actually move out. Do a real soul search before you brashly answer that question. I think you might be surprised by those that will not move out BUT it would be nice to have that option. The union should not accept the tired old it will never happen. FIGHT FOR IT.
WE HAVE BEEN TAKEN A HIT FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS!!! YOU NEED TO STOP BLAMING CITY WORKERS FOR YOUR BUDGET MESS IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT MORON MAYOR. WITH ALL THE CORRUPTION AND MONEY LAUNDERING YOU DO THE FEDS SHOULD HAVE TAKEN YOU DOWN ALREADY. OUR SALERIES HAVE NOT KEPT UP WITH THE COST OF LIVING IN THIS SHITHOLE. THERE IS A VERY EASY WAY TO FIX THE BUDGET MESS USE YOUR SECRET STASH OF MONEY YOU HAVE HELD UP FROM THE FAILED MIDWAY DEAL AND SALE OF TOLLWAY AND METERS AND PAY THE FUCKING BILLS!! ONLY SPEND MONEY ON NEEDS NOT WANTS LIKE DECORATIVE STREET LIGHTS, FLOWER BOXES ETC....WASTEFUL SPENDING AND CROOKED POLITICS HAVE CAUSED THE BUDGET HOLE NOT CITY WORKERS.
I agree with the comment regarding residency. Why can't we file a lawsuit regarding this it is worth a shot.
To the law abiding tax paying citizen,
The Mayor has depleted our numbers soo bad that when or if you call 911 there are no cars to send . Scary isn't it? We are out there trying our best with what little we have to work with. The Mayor and Jody are blowing smoke up your ass and will deny it cause it will make them look bad. Violent crime has really gone up not down they are fucking with the numbers just like the Mayor has fucked up the budget. Stay alert and be careful because it is only going to get worse.
***ring**ring***
Mayor: "hello? who? no, clair cant come to the phone..why ..cause he's blowing me..click
7/09/2009 04:00:00 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Phillips, don't drag us in to your trouble.
I haven't heard you complain to the mayor about lack of contracts for the police and firefighters, that on numerous occasions have taken years to get.
I for one let city workers slide on minor traffic violations while they are working. You keep your shit up and no more plays for the boys.
Please get back to me on this so I can review the prcedures for making notification to the IG's office for writing city workers tickets.
Thanks.
7/09/2009 04:23:00 PM
Correction:
My Bad...
I meant Clair.
In Scottsdale Arizona, where I currently reside, the garbage man has a ONE man truck. It is all done from the cab- put garbage can on curb, they pick it up, dump proceeds in garbage truck and move on.
old retired guy
That's on them, the unions should never had taken that 10 year contract that the little shit offered them. They should have waited until we finished with our contract.
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This was mentioned at the FOP meeting. We have negotiated protections in our contract, they haven't Fxxk them. It is their problem, mot our problem. When they make a mistake, they correct it with liguid paper, when we make a mistake, someone goes to a funeral. That is why we are different than them. I worked in the civilian world before I weas a cop, in sales, where you had to prove yourself every day. Our company had a unique incentive policy. You don't sell, you don't eat. The civilians we have in district strike me as being soft by my standards. I never had it that good. Lay them off. Let them see what reality is.
Daley needs to go along with this Olympic bid!! I know the C.F.D. is top heavy with all these exempt rank positions...A Tri Data report came out and said they need to axe these jobs..So, what did they do....Added like 5 more...Why would you cut service for police and fire...Get rid of the useless Brass
Lay me off, please. That will give me plenty of time to go take the test in Vegas and find a house w/o having to put slips in. Hurry up.
We can't strike. There was a contingency plan drawn up back in the early '80s for just such a situation. Supervisors and National Guard troops will do patrol.
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Yeah. That's going to go over REAL well. A handful of supervisors and 18 year olds with M16s trying to be the police. How many of those troops do you think they could get out on the streets?
We would have them over a barrel and they know it. The city would literally burn. I don't see it happening, but they know if it did, they would be screwed royally.
When I took this job...I knew about the NO STRIKE clause...and will abide by it as a part of my employment. However, I would whole heartedly support other Union workers in this city to STRIKE. I know it is something they do not want to do...because Daley can be very vindictive and will find a way to punish those who go against him. If we could strike...I would. The other Unions using us as skape goats are desparate and I do understand this...they are drawing the battle lines and hoping to avert a serious situation. The real problem is this...Daley has the money, there is no doubt about that at all...but he wants it for the Olympics. The responsible thing to do would be to let that go, release the money, honor the contracts already agreed upon and give the Firefighters and Us a decent contract. The one being irresponsible here is Daley. He wants this...not for the City, but for a personal agenda. We have the money to settle the contracts and ride out these hard economical times, but we do not have the money for the Olympics. This City is more important than Daley's personal agenda. The bottom line is that the working class people are being hurt. The rich don't care as much, the poor are not being effected, but the working class are being hurt beyond belief. At this point...the only option on the table may be to Strike, for those Unionized people who can, for us, to vote this guy out of Office.
--Yeah. That's going to go over REAL well. A handful of supervisors and 18 year olds with M16s trying to be the police. How many of those troops do you think they could get out on the streets?--
You may not be aware of it, but 3000 Illinois national guardsmen just spent the last year in Afghanistan. 23 died in combat incidents. A few dozen in the brigade are Chicago police officers, and probably a few hundred are law enforcement in some capacity or another.
Something tells me the returning Illinois national guard infantry brigade alone would run circles around the the CPD of today or any year in the past 100.
Which is to say, don't flatter yourself son. The CPD ain't nearly as good as an occasional officer claims it is.
Don't get excited, this guy is just another Daley tool spewing shit.The miniature emperor is doing everything possible to make the POLICE look bad and greedy.The way murders are going in "Little Detroit"Mini-man may be begging for help soon.By the way the Olympics are a done deal..the bribes were paid .
How about residency stays and we actually get a decent fucking contract with a decent God damned wage? Ever think about that asshat?.
and if you think thats going to happen, you are the asshat.
Daley is the Chief Fiscal Officer of the City. HE IS OBLIGATED TO PURSUE FAIR AND HONEST LABOR RELATIONS WITH ALL CITY UNIONS. Hid treatment of the Police is shameful, and his failure to plan ahead for demands that he knows Unions will want come new contract time, such as fair and equitable pay raises for their members, are something Daley has, along with mountains of other fiscal issues, failed to be prepared for. He should resign immediately, before he further damages the City of Chicago.
The residency rule is a City Ordinance that has been in effect since about 1929. It was a pre-existing condition of employment.
A lawsuit challenging it would probably be a waste of time and money.
It will change when the city can no longer get people to work for it.
Lay off all the Daley patronage Workers, and return All CPD "Merit" promotees back to their appropriate, "non-merit" rank and pay-scale.
Easy solution folks: the garbagemen strike for the 10 hottest days this summer, the little-Turkey-tinker-prick will cave!
Stay safe brothers and sisters!
WOW after reading this post it seems that Daleys master plan is working. peg all the contractual unions against each other and watch them blame each other insted of him.Divide and concur. He must be laughing himself to sleep over our own stupidity. We have our contract they have theirs, we should keep it that way.
Anonymous said...
It's not fair across the board. Not everybody's taking the hurt like they want us to take," Clair said, noting that police officers and firefighters "are city employees also" and should not be sacred cows.
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The key words in your statement is "like they want us to take". Thats right, they want you to do take time off unpaid but that doesn't mean you have to, Because you guys are falling on the sword unecesarily it doesn't mean that we should. I feel bad for all city workers getting shafted by the Mayor. Still he is just being a bully and as long as unions fold for him under some bs disguised as "for the greater good of the city" then all that makes that union is crap.
Police and fire should not be in this battle. Nor should any other city worker or workers union. We aren't the enemy, don't demand that we do anything so that you can feel better. A long term solution is to remember that the Mayor did this to you when it comes time to vote again.
What the heck is going on in Mt.greenwood-beverly?!?! It's looking... ghetto!
Richard M. Daley is a great and honorable man.
You fuckers with this residency shit are dumb as hell. What about us who have homes and not some shit hole apartment? They lift residency and some of these solvent neighborhoods property values will drop like stones.
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Not if they do it like the poster says-if you have certain amount of years on the job. I think that is a great idea that way it won't be a mass exit.
Anonymous said...
Phillips, don't drag us in to your trouble.
I haven't heard you complain to the mayor about lack of contracts for the police and firefighters, that on numerous occasions have taken years to get.
I for one let city workers slide on minor traffic violations while they are working. You keep your shit up and no more plays for the boys.
Please get back to me on this so I can review the prcedures for making notification to the IG's office for writing city workers tickets.
Thanks.
7/09/2009 04:23:00 PM
You still write tickets? what for? You put yourself in danger and expose yourself to complaints. They get thrown out if they go to court. It is a joke, no one stops for red lights any more, if stopped they argue passionately that it was yellow, that's why they have the pedal to the floor, to get though.
I find it more effective to stop red light runners, talk real slow, do a traffic contact card and run the car, name, DL and take at least 15 minutes doing it.
Then I walk slowly back to the red light runner's car, give a talk on traffic safety and red lights, hand them their license and say have a nice day.
They get no ticket, yet they are delayed a good long time and they get to sit there and steam while they think I am writing a ticket.
Then, they get the pass and I get 15 minutes of their time and a contact card. And they have no complaint, they got a break, it just cost them a quarter hour sitting with blue lights in their mirror
"Nows the time for FOP and SCC to start hitting the city up for getting rid of residency since they can't afford to pay us."
Who wants to live in the f**king burbs? Hell, might as well work out there too, they have better equipment than we do. I'm fine with fighting to lift the residency rule but I'm not going to trade MY raise and MY retro for something that would be of no benefit to me. We ALL deserve a raise and retro. Let's not start screwing each other now by giving away other peoples money.
Anonymous said...
Daley needs to go along with this Olympic bid!! I know the C.F.D. is top heavy with all these exempt rank positions...A Tri Data report came out and said they need to axe these jobs..So, what did they do....Added like 5 more...Why would you cut service for police and fire...Get rid of the useless Brass
7/09/2009 09:39:00 PM
and cpd has what 100+ brass! like the boy wonder goofy MASTERS!
CPD issue: keep in mind the cpd job is one of the few jobs where a decent,hardworking,educated,held hostage in the city, with365/24/7 scheduleNO FAMILY TIME,NO HOLIDAYS OFF,NO GUARANTEE OF GOING HOME ON TIME OR IN ONE PIECE OR ALIVE CPD PO.S SUFFER INDIGNITIES of being spat on,insulted,kicked,punched, and held to super human being standards and go years without a pay raise,less benefits n promotions for da clouted cpd brass
cpd po's are disliked, hated, lied on, beat, shot, sued, overworked, and topped w law suits,no pay raises, n us police officers that sacrifice so much of our lives, our families n, our friends and ourselves and work 6 (six) yrsa that's correct, 6 days on n 2 measley days off! n incompetent ALDERCREATURS do not even come close or even half of what CPD PO'S live thru n they get a raise! FAIR!! Not!!!
Anonymous said...
7/09/2009 12:33:00 AM
You fuckers with this residency shit are dumb as hell. What about us who have homes and not some shit hole apartment? They lift residency and some of these solvent neighborhoods property values will drop like stones. Then we will be living in houses that are worth loads less then what we were forced into paying for in the first place. You people are stupid. How about residency stays and we actually get a decent fucking contract with a decent God damned wage? Ever think about that asshat?
7/09/2009 06:06:00 AM
What I think is someone built to big an addition on their home and has little to no equity.
Seriously though poster, you may be lucky enough to live on one of the few blocks left in the city that the shit hasn't got to but its coming your way too.
90% of this city has the shit living within 2-3 blocks from their home thanks to the teardown and relocate plan. I live in 008 on the far westend which used to be known as garfield ridge and wish I sold 5 years ago. I have section 8 on one end of my block and "la familia" which moved in from Cicero on the other end. There are now 5 homes that are for sale on my block due to this problem. Nieghbors that are too scared to raise their children here anymore are packing up and headed to the far burbs.
If not for cost alone but for safety I think residency would be great. It is way to hard to protect my house and I'm not gonna live in fear worring every time I go out if some gangbanger will break in. I would gladly give up a raise/retro for the chance to leave this city.
BTW, I too am a retard that built up just before the market slid and would be lucky to break even if I sold.... But this is a hit I would gladly take to live away from to shithole this city has turned into.
Pardon my continue rant on this issue.
If someone really took the time and effort to conduct a "realistic" survey of take home cars the savings would be considerable. Monies saved could then be used to allow people to keep their jobs. WOW Batman what a novel concept.
Administrative Sergeants with take home cars - see IAD.
Administrative Exempts with take home cars - see BAS.
Each Rambo asshole on SWAT with take home cars.
And on, and on, and on, and on.
How do they look at themselves in the mirror when they know people are losing their jobs while they enjoy all the perks of clout.
I would agree with you about 80% of the city buget being police and fire. You ask why should the 20% take the hit,let me explain it to you.
The police dept is already under-
manned by more then 500 bodies. I realize that to you that is not a layoff but this does put a burdon on the rest of tnhe officers on the street.
Overtime from the police dept was reduced around eight years ago and has never returned to the level it once was.
The police and fire departments work 24/7 and are still without a contract and will probaly not see a raise for another year and half.
when, and it happens anery year, we are under buget the excess money is turned over to street and san. to help pay for YOUR overtime.
WE don't get to keep it for our overtime.
The police dept creates money for the city in parkers, movers and vehicle inpoundments.
I will never use the terms like "We risk our lifes" because we made a decision to become police and fireman. But the fact that the city stoped hiring police is a layoff because the people of Chicago are still payinf for these officers taht are not there.
last but not least, in my eightteen yrs on this department I never heard of one union siding with the police and fire when we were looking for a contract. Thats right you took you money and ran like a thief in the night.
Which is to say, don't flatter yourself son. The CPD ain't nearly as good as an occasional officer claims it is.
7/09/2009 10:50:00 PM
Well, son, I spent a year over there with the active duty military. I'm not as impressed with the ability of the part time military as you are. If you think the military can police, think again. Destroying things and moving on is a lot easier than what we do.
You knew what the residency was when you came on. Remember? That's why you moved from Batavia to Chicago. Just fight for the raise and benefits, don't cloud the issues with bullshit.
LOOK YOU RETARDS!!!! Lets end the residency issue with this! They wont give us ANYTHING without us giving something- what would they want? Hmmmmmmmmm..... our raises, to start! So fuck off with this issue! You want to sue? Fine, its a legal contract between parties. YOU AGREED to it! They didn't trick you, you knew it! It does suck ass, I hate it- but it will stand- To go to negoiations for residency means we need to give something back- maybe an arm and a leg. FOP would never waste it's time nor money on a lawsuit like that as it's a legal binding contract! Wake up and smell what you're shoveling! AND don't forget, if we got to live outside the city- CFD and all others bound to live here would go too! Let us leave? NEVER! We help pay our own salaries by living here! Taxes, city stickers, and everything else!
It would have to go to negoiations! Giving up more and more money now really helps your pension down the road too! You would pay for it your whole entire life! We cant get a simple fair contract and you clowns want this?!?!?!?!?!? Retire at 20 years! Move to the moon!
DROP RESIDENCY NOW!!!!!
The FOP wont push this because they don't want their inflated home value to go down so they can retire soon and get a nice profit.
Letting people trickle out by using time on the job will stop value from plumetting. Yes, prices will drop some, but thats a chance I'm willing to take.
The only ones against this are people who invested too much into their house in the first place or are retiring soon. Sorry, but using inflated property values based on a City ordinace is always a bad investment idea.
There is not going to be a raise (maybe 1 to 2% tops). Crime is increasing and the cost of living is going up... schools are not going to get better either. Lets make the best out of this situation we can.
I live in 008 on the far westend which used to be known as garfield ridge and wish I sold 5 years ago. I have section 8 on one end of my block and "la familia" which moved in from Cicero on the other end. There are now 5 homes that are for sale on my block due to this problem. Nieghbors that are too scared to raise their children here anymore are packing up and headed to the far burbs.
You know what it is people like you that ruin the neighborhood. because instead of doing something about it you run. Do you work in 008? If not why not? GO protect the homefront like a lot of guys do in 008. You sit and whine and do nothing about the problem other than complaining. Do you or your neighbors call the police. Probably not. You just sit there and complain to yourself and and wish someone would do something about it.
If someone really took the time and effort to conduct a "realistic" survey of take home cars the savings would be considerable. Monies saved could then be used to allow people to keep their jobs. WOW Batman what a novel concept.
Another good one is why does the LT of central detention need a take home? In case the run out of bolagney sammiches i guess.
Juvy Probation said...
Here's another real gem
Daley's city hall continues to steal while you just watch ($6983.00 for a $199.00 chainsaw)
that's correct, a front company marks up the goods big time and YOU foot the bill. If this were France, Italy, or Germany there would be people in the streets. Why are you people so fucking complacent? Must be the water, what else could it be?
http://www.citypayments.org/contract/s021144b-poulan-pro-model-180-chainsaw-23-ci-dept-of-streets-
7/09/2009 06:20:00 AM
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Holy shit. A few minutes on that site and I want to puke. I have to take days off for this shit? Fuck you.
Hey "journalists", take a look at this site and start cross referencing the companies that get all this money. Anyone willing to connect all the dots?
What the heck is going on in Mt.greenwood-beverly?!?! It's looking... ghetto!
Well, sounds like the residency thing has hit a cord??? I like he idea of 20 years (I have 13). What would the difference be? You could theoretically retire after 20 and leave anyway so why the uproar? You can then sell your house to the new kid who has to live here. But then we'll get tired of driving from "valhalla" to the shit hole everyday and will retire withtin 2-3 years so the shity, oops meant CITY , would save on maxed out retirements so really i think it's a win win situation.
SCC, how about a separate article on residency? Could make for an interesting discussion.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
To the law abiding tax paying citizen,
The Mayor has depleted our numbers soo bad that when or if you call 911 there are no cars to send . Scary isn't it? We are out there trying our best with what little we have to work with. The Mayor and Jody are blowing smoke up your ass and will deny it cause it will make them look bad. Violent crime has really gone up not down they are fucking with the numbers just like the Mayor has fucked up the budget. Stay alert and be careful because it is only going to get worse.
7/09/2009 06:34:00 PM
That's why I thank my lucky stars that SCC exists. I tell some people about what I read and they insist it's made up. I'm like, "Made up? This is straight from the horse's mouth!" I can only imagine a handful of people in this city exists that knows it's all bullshit. I've known it was bullshit for years and no one believed me then either. In the past year though, it seems more people are waking up to what's going on.
As an aside: Do you still hear the Obama supporters talking about how good he is for our country? No? I hear a lot of them complaining about BHO wanting to tax health benefits, and saying, "Why's he going to do that?" but I don't hear songs of praise anymore. The drugs are wearing off, apparently.
You're right..it's going to get really fucked really soon. I'd feel better knowing I could arm myself at home as good as you guys do, legally, and use that force if necessary.
That being able to move outside the city after 20 years sounds like a great idea to me! I'd gladly give up a raise this time around.
OT
I was at Midway yesterday. Where did they find these 1's who direct(?) the movement around the terminals? This one Traffic Aide was whistling and motioning for cars to move it, and she's standing in their way! Another is knocking on car windows as the person is getting in the back seat.
She's yellin at the driver to move while his back door is open and an older lady is trying to get in the car! What a bunch of knuckleheads!
just stop stealin' little man
For real we gotta get a real candidate for mayor, any suggestions: David Hoffman maybe???
My apartment isn't a shithole, its rather nice in Beverly, not buying shit in this city saving all my cash for my home/acres far away from here
everyone knew you had to live in the city when we got hired.if you don't like it take a test somewhere else,or go to your local jewel they may be hiring,i'll stay and watch as the shitheads give me job security.
The mayor will never let us live outside of the city!!! We are the only ones paying taxes, city stickers, state stickers, and paying your damn water bills. Hell I wouldn't let you go either
Gee, a whole 2% will help your pension huh? Because thats probably all we'll get. Yes I had a contract with the city, but it also said I would have health care after inretire and that was changed. I would like to see an offer made publicly that in these hard times the police are willing to give up raises this time, just let us live where we want. Otherwise we want our usual 10-15% raise. I would think the citizens would say something.
Anonymous said...
If someone really took the time and effort to conduct a "realistic" survey of take home cars the savings would be considerable. Monies saved could then be used to allow people to keep their jobs. WOW Batman what a novel concept.
Another good one is why does the LT of central detention need a take home? In case the run out of bolagney sammiches i guess.
7/10/2009 11:25:00 AM
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Why do the 2 Lt's and 1 Admin. Sgt. from the Academy need take home cars?
Why does a PO need a marked take home car?
Anonymous said...
I live in 008 on the far westend which used to be known as garfield ridge and wish I sold 5 years ago. I have section 8 on one end of my block and "la familia" which moved in from Cicero on the other end. There are now 5 homes that are for sale on my block due to this problem. Nieghbors that are too scared to raise their children here anymore are packing up and headed to the far burbs.
You know what it is people like you that ruin the neighborhood. because instead of doing something about it you run. Do you work in 008? If not why not? GO protect the homefront like a lot of guys do in 008. You sit and whine and do nothing about the problem other than complaining. Do you or your neighbors call the police. Probably not. You just sit there and complain to yourself and and wish someone would do something about it.
7/10/2009 11:22:00 AM
Actually I did work in 008 between 2000 and 2007. I know all about policing in 008 and the orders that kept us from policing the homefront (west of Pulaski lucky to see a beat, rapid or tact car). Then we got a godsend with the Campbell brothers working out west but they could only do so much... There were a couple of other 3rd watch guys that did their jobs well in the 10 sector but for the most part the 10 sector gets tiny females or 1st/16th guys.
If you work in 008 you wouldn't be feeding this line of garbage on the blog. I have called in many thing in regards to gangs, explaining I am a off duty PO and get no response after hours of waiting. Calling it into the station didn't help any either due to no cars available. Face it, 008 is nothing it used to be.
The other thing I want to mention is protecting your home off duty can easily come back to bite you with today's crop of bosses. I remember an incident on midnights when Lt drozdik (thank god retired never to hurt the working police again) locked up a copper that drew his gun on a banger who was tagging the P.O.s garage. Ask some of the guys that were on mids in 2002 bout that one. Real incentive to protect your block right?
If you happen to be one of the few workers left in 008 I do wanna say thank you. However, I learned to never again shit where I eat. We (and the honest tax paying citizens) don't have many choices left in this city. Every nieghborhood is being infused with the shit and somehow the shit has more rights than anyone else (or just better lawyers).
You want to live in the suburbs? Just go. The guy in the Beverly apt probably came from Orland or something and wants to go back. Hit it job stealer. Drive home from work on Harlem or LaGrange in bumper to bumper, have idiots cruising your hood shaking doors looking for a burglary. At least the dope dealers are easier to snatch up. They don't stand on the corner. They take orders and deliver to McDonalds or Sandburg HS where all the lily-white cheerleaders can shoot junk in the privacy of a clean bathroom. I like the devil I can see. Oh, when you leave, drop off the job on the way out moocher.
Theres 1.3 billion in TIF money that can be used.
When you get a disproportionate amount of money for your budget from property taxes and then freze the property tax at rates from 15 years ago you will absolutely have budget problems.
Why are you asking us why those people have take home cars? How the hell would we know. Do you think Daley emails all of us when he knows you're off-line and tells us to meet him so he can give us our weekly report of who's driving a take-home car and why? Well, you'd be correct, that's exactly what happens.
Cooter, I know that was you. I told you to shut the fuck up about this until I hear you yappin' at the next FOP meeting.
everyone knew you had to live in the city when we got hired.if you don't like it take a test somewhere else,or go to your local jewel they may be hiring,i'll stay and watch as the shitheads give me job security.
7/10/2009 06:23:00 PM
Shut up Shortshanks suckhole. This is the last major city to hold on to that bullshit political rule. Most people would stay in the city anyway, but the option to live where you want should be there.
And for those who don't know, there's no point in wasting your breath crying about negotiating this issue. State law, put in by the Chicago machine to control jobs and votes, says that in municipalities over one million in population, meaning only Chicago, can have residency requirements for their jobs.
You want to change residency, talk to legislators. Good luck with that. Shortshanks wants you here to keep you under his fat thieving thumb.
Thats some #ussie ComEd IBEW local, allowing their electricians to be forced to get CDLs also. Same for Peoples Gas drivers/workers.
What was that ? A WM garbage truck with ONE worker/driver in the Loop ?
Madon, what girlie teamster locals at WM, BFI, etc.
IF THE F.O.P. BACKS DOWN AND GIVES IN LIKE THE OTHER UNIONS DO, I WILL GO OUT OF MY WAY AND WORK FOR FREE TO HELP BRING IN ANOTHER UNION FOR OUR POLICE. I'M TIRED OF GIVING UP AND SO ARE A LOT OF OTHER COP'S. WE NEED TO START WITH THE YOUNG POLICE OFFICERS FIRST. THEY NEED TO BE EDUCATED ON HOW OUR DEPARTMENT WORKS AND START TO ATTEND AND LEARN A FUCKING THING OR TWO ABOUT BEING IN A UNION- GETTING EVERYONE ON BOARD!! THE SUCK ASS GUYS HAVE TO BE PUT IN LINE, IF THEY DON'T FOLLOW THE PROGRAM, THAN IT'S TIME FOR A C O D E - R E D!, ALL OFFICERS WITH 3 - 13 YEARS ON THIS JOB HAVE TO START GETTING INVOLVED FOR THE FUTURE OF THIS UNION, OR MAYBE TAKE A SERIOUS LOOK AT GETTING A NEW UNION IN PLACE!!! THIS CONTRACT WILL DECIDE THE FATE OF THE F. O. P.. IF THEY FAIL, THAN WE NEED TO GET THE YOUNGER POLICE OFFICERS INVOLVED, AND ELECTED TO THE BOARD. OLD TIMERS ISSUES, CAN NOT HELP US IN THE FUTURE. GET READY FOR THE YOUNGER GENERATION TO START TAKING CONTROL AND STEP UP TO THE PLATE FOR THE FUTURE OF THIS DEPARTMENT.
Nows the time for FOP and SCC to start hitting the city up for getting rid of residency since they can't afford to pay us. After you have a certain amount of time on the job (15-20 years?), you should be allowed to live outside the city at a certain radius. Using the years to let us trickle out will save property values and prevent a mass exodus. We are not going to get any raise this time around... might as well use it to our advantage.
7/09/2009 12:33:00 AM
Sounds good to me
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