Thursday, July 09, 2009

When Half-wits Attack

It's almost too easy to slap them around. In the "The Specter of Burge Again" post, this inane rambling appears:
  • That is the problem SCC. The fact that you idiots did not cut that loser lose as soon as the allegations started piling up is "YOUR" fault. If you would have immediately dismissed Burge there would be no possibility of other "assholes" lying about what Burge may or may not have done to him. Keeping him employed for two decades after allegations came up within a few years of his employment starting was a serious mistake. You then empowered guys that are seeking a way out of their problems to blame Burge and his men. The simple fact is there is no credible evidence that Burge or him men did not do what is alleged. However, if the CPD & FOP got rid of him as soon as it was known that Burge was problem there would not be any way to use Burge as an escape hatch.
First up, Burge was gone when some of us got here. The ones that were here already didn't have anything to do with the command staff or the appointing of command staffs. You think this place is run like a democracy and we get to vote on our bosses? You're an idiot. And this quote from you is a real winner:
  • The simple fact is there is no credible evidence that Burge or him men did not do what is alleged.
And there's even less evidence that Burge or his men did any of what is alleged. Where the fuck did you wake up this morning? Burge is guilty because some scumbag lawyer and his client who should have been drowned at birth say so? Burge enjoys the same presumption of innocence that the scum of the earth you're defending does. No one ever found a "black box" - the PLO created it out of spare parts. No one ever found a typewriter cover with any defendants blood, spit, sweat or DNA on it. No clubs, gloves, saps, etc. have been confiscated, tested or inventoried. Your entire comment is based on a fiction.
  • Maybe one time you should talk about who benefited from Burge's continued employment with the CPD. The powers, you know, the guys not in blue that benefited from having Burge close all those heater cases so they could tell the nice white voters that they are fighting crime. You rail against them everyday but fail to make the connection to Burge and instead point blame at people that are either true victims or are manipulating a situation that was not of their making, but the making of the powers that continued to make sure Burge stayed on the street.
Who benefited? Daley? The PLO? Pay-to play in kind contributions? You've got this giant conspiracy based on the words of felons. Convicted felons. Convicted of crimes long before Burge got a hold of them for murders that they most likely committed. Burge wasn't snatching altar boys off the street or rousting grandma on the corner. His guys were looking at low life pieces of human garbage that moved in circles far removed from polite society. The only "true victims" here were the dead people, whom you seem to have forgotten.
  • If you want to have credibility start making connections between clout, horribly abusive cops, and the powers that benefit from these assholes staying on the job doing what they are doing. You think it is a coincidence that "special units" almost always end up going off the reservation and that their sponsors, the people that truly benefit are never taken to task for allowing it to happen.
You don't get a gold star on this job without being heavy. And once again, you're assuming we have input into a system we didn't create and had nothing to do with perpetuating. Would you care to back up that statement about "special units?" We'll dismiss it out of hand since it's beyond inane.
  • Have one blog about who most benefited from Burge's rein of terror?

    Have another one about why 16 years after his termination for at least one brutal interrogation the FOP is still funding his defense when those paying for it continue to deal with the repercussions of what that asshole did?

    Your all about patrol/beat officers then explain why current officers are paying for the defense of a criminal? Someone you all would arrest on a daily basis for his actions. At least one of the allegations has to true, that is enough to put him away.

    Have some dignity and class and dear to address the issues brought up here.
The FOP paying for Burge's defense has been explained in a number of comment sections. As to your stating that "At least one of the allegations has to [be] true, that is enough to put him away" where is the proof of that? Throw enough shit at the wall and see what sticks? The system doesn't work that way. You have to prove each and every allegation. Beyond a reasonable doubt for criminal cases, preponderance of the evidence for a civil trial. You've done neither. Neither has the State, the plaintiffs or anyone involved.

So thanks for playing. Perhaps one day you will grow a brain and actually attempt to understand the law you so cavalierly disregard in your quest for assigning blame. Asshat.

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101 Comments:

Blogger pathickey said...

SCC,

Great response to a pre-packaged bit of doctrine. G. Flint Taylor talking points.

7/09/2009 08:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well said SCC!

7/09/2009 08:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You are right SCC....there is no credible evidence that Burge was guily of what he is accused of....as there was supposedly no evidence that OJ Simpson murdered 2people in cold blood and Michael Jackson was a pedophile. Of course he was guily and of course he has been a blight on the credibility and moral of the CPD. Defending him make you and us seem blind, ignorant and accepting. I am not a Nazi or a militant Islamic....I am a CHICAGO COP and PROUD OF IT. No one, but no one can tell me to either think or do anything that does not conform to my moral and ethical code. I am older but I am very satisfied when I hear the younger cops less accepting of this sort of behavior...the old timers who know the truth about the Burges of this world are less inclined to admit that they are appalled at that sort of behavior. Worried they might seem disloyal to a brother. The newer guys know that Burge was no ones btother...he was a sadistic madman. Here is a thought to leave you with. NO ONE engages in torturous behavior unless they ENJOY it. That my friend, I learned the hard way in Nam.

7/09/2009 08:54:00 AM  
Blogger Unknown said...

I was trying to think of a response to this jag-bag last night but could 'nt get it together.So,SCC,I must thank you for an excellent response to another a-hole.

7/09/2009 09:29:00 AM  
Blogger Loaded Dice said...

You forget SCC that "the throw enough shit at the wall....." is a time tested tactic of the left. Innuendo, supposition,and bald faced lies are in the tradition of a Nazi propaganda machine.


Goebbels would fit right in with these nimrods.......



God Save the CPD.........




Remember Retirement is the Goal...

7/09/2009 09:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

typical ploy by the Communist Law Office, try and divide the "workers" from the elite and creat division. Go back to your hole Flint.

7/09/2009 09:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC--Why do you even comment to assholes like this ? You have made your points clear over end over on this subject. I pray that this poster has some allegations that may be false heaped upon him and people rushing to judgment to say that he is guilty. I also pray that he is not a cop. If you are, than you are the biggest douche bag on the dept.

7/09/2009 10:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Copwatch, stay the fuck off our blog, signed everybody

7/09/2009 10:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Liberals....so dumb.

7/09/2009 10:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Burge beat up my granny. Of course she did have a mouth on her.

Seriously, I have no use for the South Chicago wonder that is Jon Burge, but trying to blame every cop for him is stupid.

It's like laying Daley at the footsteps of everyone who is of Irish descent or claiming Obama is responsible because some black kid ripped off a liquor store on Stony Island avenue.

This is a police department of 12,000+ INDIVIDUALS. I'm no more responsible for what Burge may have done 20 years ago than I am for some off duty drunken tool getting into a car wreck on the expressway.

As for the FOP funding his defense I consider that to be bullshit and a tactic some of the elected officers are using to appeal to the retired contingent of members.

I personally believe Burge is guilty of some of the things he's been accused of. However the statute of limitations is over for those crimes. What he has been charged with is perjury in a civil case. Instead of keeping his fat mouth shut he took the advice of city attorney's and spoke at a civil trial.

Talk about a case of legal malpractice!

I don't condone torture or unnecessary brutality. Notice I used the word "unnecessary" because sometimes brutality or force is needed in police work. As a young skinny cop many years ago I got into a brutal on duty fight with two young bangers and I was fully ready to beat them to death if necessary to protect myself. We all needed medical treatment and a wise old Captain took polaroids of my injuries in case the bangers had sued.

There was no lawsuit because when their attorneys began sniffing around they were given copies of my medical report and the photos. It also helped that both of the "victims" were wanted and later charged with serious felonies. Years later one of the "victims" was convicted of murder and is still a guest of the State of Illinois. The other one sadly was murdered in a "ride by". Killed by a gun toting man on a bicycle. Tragic! I hope the bike was ok.

7/09/2009 10:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sheese! How would you like this guy as your partner. No thanks Office, I tend to deal in reality not supposition and conspiracy theories.

7/09/2009 10:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Funny how the liberal mind works. Criminals have an excuse and must be defended. Anyone in law enforcement must be a brute and should be in prison. They still never get around to answering the question of what the rights of the murdered children ought to be.

They pay millions to murdering leaders of street gangs, who are so dirty that they have people killed in their cars less than a week after the award, but want to see cops locked up for the slightest of transgressions.

In fact, cops are automatically guilty in their little minds. Criminals are folk heroes. This is why we have fallen so far as a nation. Thanks hippie scum.

7/09/2009 10:44:00 AM  
Blogger John Northen said...

O/T

CONFIRMED:

I just spoke with John Garrido. John will run as a REPUBLICAN candidate for President of the Cook County Board.
For more, see my most recent post under thread "Innocent Politico Quits".

7/09/2009 10:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I allege:
The poster is an asshole who lives in his mommas basement and plays with himself using gerbals as do approx 9000 other cops so it must be true.

By his argument...........Someone needs to call P.E.T.A.

He/she probably believes that Michael Jackson was not strange (to say the least), O.J. was not a murderer (his robbery charges are just "payback"), and unicorns are real now that Obama is president.

But anything alleged wrong about the police is Gospel Truth.

7/09/2009 10:53:00 AM  
Blogger Too Many Rectums said...

SCC:

The person who sent the letter is a dummy. A dummy created by our media (run by the ultra-wealthy ruling class)who rammed bullshit information down his or her throat via television or Internet.

Simply put, this person read the news, but didn't digest it and think about it. Electronic media is the worst thing to happen to our society.

7/09/2009 10:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SSC, you're responses were terrific. It's amazing to read this moron's justifications for putting the murderer of 2 women and 3 children back on the streets. I was deeply saddened to see the state go along and not re-try these pieces of human filth. I have to imagine that the poster is one of the slime lawyers who want to make money off the "allegations" against Burge. They are as bad as the criminals they help put back on the streets. If only they could be held responsible for that criminals actions afterward, these slime lawyers would have to go back to chasing ambulances. Thanks for you're comments and bringing this troll's idiocy to light.

7/09/2009 11:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Commander Burge was, and remains, a great American hero. He took killers, rapists, robbers, and thieves off the streets of the very communities that now villify him. And he displayed great restraint with the handling of the Wilson brothers, which are the two pos that executed, not murdered, but executed Officers Fahey and O'Brien in 1982.

I respect Commander Burge and I wish that his detractors had the opportunity to be at the mercy of the Wilson brothers as were Officers Fahey and O'Brien. I doubt the detractors, like Jesse Jackson Sr, would survive an encounter with the Wilson brothers, but, if they did survive, I seriously doubt they would be running to defend the Wilson brothers because the injuries inflicted on them by the Wilson brothers would probably leave them brain dead.

The Wilson brothers were savage killers, not Sunday school teachers, and they were not even harmed or permanently maimed or permanently disfigured while in police custody, when, if there was true justice in the world, they should have been thrown off the roof of the Sears Tower without a parachute.

Commander Burge was the right guy at the right time and he should be honored, not persecuted.

7/09/2009 11:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I love it.

7/09/2009 11:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now thats a guy who DESERVES to get his ass kicked in!!!!! By the CRIMINALS of course!!!!!

7/09/2009 11:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC good job and you didn't even point out all the grammatical errors.

7/09/2009 12:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That didn't seem to be a half-wit response; it seemed well thought out and succinctly stated. The SCC response was emotional and contained ad hominem attacks. I don't know why you're defending Burge. Just because someone is scum doesn't mean said scum committed the crime at hand. There is photographic evidence that defendants in custody were beaten. At the very least, their confessions should be considered suspect. (I wonder if you'll post my response, or just call me an asshat.)

7/09/2009 12:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You summed it up nicely with the final word, "asshat." That guy is an asshat, plain and simple.

7/09/2009 12:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have to tell the truth. I think Burge was great. If you shot a police officer you had better run to Korea.

7/09/2009 12:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

10-4 Good Buddy... he's an ASSHAT!!!

7/09/2009 12:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, Who was States Attorney when issues with Burge occured ? , Who approved Felony Charges when Burge's Detectives made arrest on police killers? Daley, Daley was the head States Attorney and had ultimate control of that Office on all charges. Daley was part of the loop and is accountable as anyone else

7/09/2009 01:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Speaking for myself, the southside benefitted from Burges "reign of terror" on scumbags. What I wouldn't give to have it back.

7/09/2009 01:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Burge did what was needed to be done, either you have the stomach for that kind of police work or you do not.
Now there would fifty coppers in line at IAD or IPRA wanting to spill their guts about what they saw. Then it was all in a days work.
Remember we support B.O.Y. and if you do not know what that means then you have no right to talk about Burge or anything that was done in the era.

7/09/2009 01:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

off topic.. what is going on in 008? I just saw on the news there were two more homicides in 008 around leclaire courts early this morning. wow, i checked the numbers and 008 is way ahead now in the lead for homicides, i think now they are about 4 ahead of 011 who is in second place. i am really glad I got out of 008.. too big, too much population. 250,000 documented people in 008.. imagine the real number of people that are not documented with 5 or 6 families living in one household. I feel bad for those guys working in that district... its goin buck wild. stay safe officers everywhere.

7/09/2009 02:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Paul Sarlo said...

Honestly, between the hippies whining about the Burge thing and the police whining about how they're a persecuted sub-group, I have a urge to buy both side pampers.

Whiny Citizenry: "LOOK! SEE? JON BURGE! HE'S THE DEVIL INCARNATE! PROOF ALL COPS ARE CORRUPT! A cop told me to wash my ratty, scummy dreadlocked hair and that I smelled like goat cum. My feelings are hurt! My political positions aren't well thought out! Down with all cops!"

Whiny Cops: "We weren't there. We're constantly under attack! We always tell people we don't want no trouble, yet for some inexplicable reason, we became cops. This mustache totally doesn't make me look gay! We hold reunions for events like the DNC riots because we're proud of the beatings we administered, even though the majority of the country views it as akin to the Kent State shootings. We're voluntary public servants! Feel bad for us! And give to our fund!"

There's always gonna be corrupt cops. There's going to be some officers that are helpful, diligent and has a general desire for law and order.
On the other side of the coin, there's the citizenry who want to do good for the community, or just to keep their head down. On the other hand, theres going to be some group of busybodies whos belief is that the gangbanger who just knocked over someones dry cleaners is the result of being socially marginalized and brutalized by cops.

But these days the good outweigh the bad, on both sides. The community groups are getting louder and dumber, while demanding that their sons and daughters be shown leniency. Cops are becoming ineffective, either because the community and courts are tying their hands or more often, as shown at the taste, they congregate in groups of 4-5 and shrug when someone asks them to check out an incident.

Cops remind us that we hate them till they show up to help us -ad nausium. But after I've called them to deal with the gangbangers cropping up in our neighborhood, even after catching them in the act, the same kids are back out the next day. Or instituting some sort of revenge when nobody is looking. In short, as far as I'm concerned, cops are as useless as tits on a goldfish. These days, I don't bother calling. They never catch anyone, they never get here on time, and if they catch the kids or don't, it's all the same to them. "Whelp, sorry we couldn't help more. Gotta go. Bye."

However, the people whining about Jon Fucking Burge are even more useless. I'm going to go out on a limb and say the exposure to police of the folks that are whining about Jon Burge has been limited to just that - whining about cops. Idiot lower-to-middle class polisci majors who thinks holding up a placard is an effective way of instituting change.

In short, after reading both sides, I wish I had a baseball bat the size of Florida so I could beat the shit out of this stupid assed country sometimes.

-Me

7/09/2009 02:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

real nice... they have the nationwide sweep "operation falcon" story on t.v. and they show all the different departments nationwide who look professional and look good doing the job then they have the snapshot of chicago police who is it..... a fat female officer standing there with a lazy look on her face and her hands on her hips with a confused look on her face and the why am I here look.. way to go office.. way to make us and yourself look good on national t.v. f'n embaressing!!

7/09/2009 02:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well Put SCC. The devices that were alleged to be used were devices used at the turn of the century and some currently being used for sexual encounters which I am not familiar with and cannot elucidate on. An article by John Conroy of the Chicago Reader stated that these devices could be found at flea markets, antique shops and beauty supply stores and were easily available to purchase.
I don't know too much about these things but I do know a little about the police.
Having worked for many years in detective areas around the city, I have witnessed and personally been involved in arrest and interrogation of prisoners. We detectives develop our own techniques in interrogation, after the basic training of "how to interrogate" you start using things that work for you. Any good detective will tell you, that rarely physical force of any type give you correct answers. I do not want to get into the techniques of interrogation but I will leave it with "you catch more flies with honey than with salt". If you don't think it difficult making these offenders think you're their friend, try being nice to the next rabid dog you see.
In regards to Burge, I did not know him but did know and work with some of his detectives on occasion. Never did I see a "black box" or any other torture device described in the allegations. I can tell you one thing if it was common knowledge that these things existed every cop in the area would want ot see it. Especially the ones used for sexual purposes. The only time I ever saw a "black box" or any of these other torture devices is when it was shown by the "Peoples Law Office" (Slim Coleman & Co) and Northwestern Law. Even they said they made it themselves and "this is what is would have look like". Give me a break, you can do that with anything. The detecitves were exonerated along with Burge and went back to work. Burge took his pension and left. The fact is and I do believe still an issue, who will get the money form this law suit?
Burge, charged with lying under oath in the federal civil case. The witnesses being the people who claimed they were tortured. Police officers who work high crime areas, mainly black areas, know that lying to the police is consider by many, and certainly by the bad guys as perfectly exceptable. I have had to happen me me so I am not telling stories. Blatant out and out lies and it occurs all the time. Fortunately many of these lies are detected but many are not. I believe it is less than 5 per cent are sustained. Anyway when you get pepole like Governor Ryan, Northwestern Law, ACLU, PLO, involved they can make any lie look good. So people believe it, and teach it. They refuse to believe that some of these allagations would have literally been impossible to do.
Sorry for ranting SCC and thanks for the post, well done.

7/09/2009 03:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is so hard to believe that the person writing this to SSC is so clueless. Asshat is a word that would be used to describe someone with half this idiot's intelligence. Tell me this person is not on the job and just trying to stir the pot.

7/09/2009 04:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC, that was too easy.
This country is sooooooooo fucked.

Mr. Burge hater, next stay in your sandbox and leave the grown ups alone.

7/09/2009 04:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT

From the LA Times.

LAPD omitts 40% of crime from their database



http://mobile.latimes.com/inf/infomo;JSESSIONID=64351D4FC937C660FE85.3061?view=page8&feed:a=latimes_1min&feed:c=topstories&feed:i=47955580

7/09/2009 05:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did anyone see this in Sneads report today. Gee Snead why dont you ask your butt buddy Burke why he still has at least 5 full time P.O.'s assigned to him. But the countrys former president has none? Im sure in yours and Burkes mind he deserves it more than the ex-prez.


Now comes word that the Dallas Police Department has pulled out of the security force guarding former President George W. Bush's house. Although it only involved three men dividing up a 24-hour shift, it's all about a sagging national economy, dontchaknow.

7/09/2009 05:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Department heads are in the sand on008. Coppers doing thier best but it is just too big. On that note, thanks to the beat & tact guys who grabbed three savages from summit the other night breaking into cars on 64th & Nashville.

7/09/2009 05:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WHY DOESN'T JPUD EXPLAIN WHY HE DUMPED THE MORALE OFFICER ON HIS PROPOGANDA BLOG 501? THAT WAS ACTUALLY THE FIRST GOOD IDEA HE HAD, I ACTUALLY THOUGHT HE WAS GOING TO CORRECT SOME OF THE MISTAKES OF THIS ADMINISTRATION BUT WHAT DO I KNOW I AM JUST A LOWLY MIDNIGHT BEAT COP IN 006.

7/09/2009 05:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It takes a lot of effort to answer these clowns ...

And I ...

don't ....


have ....


the energy ....

7/09/2009 05:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

....every offender that was ever processed in the Area where Burge was ... WILL NOW CLAIM COERCION ...



this is not very complicated ...


Burge may indeed have been heavy handed .... but let's not loose control here ....

there's a statute of limitations for good reason ...


same thing with Drew Peterson .... I hate the guy BUT ... the Illinois Legislature changing the hearsay laws to go after the guy?????

THAT'S NOT RIGHT EITHER .... no matter how much you hate the guy

7/09/2009 05:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That my friend, I learned the hard way in Nam.

7/09/2009 08:54:00 AM

You are a jerk. I am ashamed that you MIGHT be a police officer. And, it is apparent, you left your best parts in NAM, if you were ever even there. You do not amount to one skin cell on the man and hero I know to be Commander Burge. For you to label Commander Burge with those terrible insults that I will not repeat, you are a piece of shit. Do you even know the meaning of B.O.Y. ? You, and others of your ilk, are what is wrong with the job. You are not worthy of the sweat off of Burge's balls. Fuck you.

7/09/2009 05:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey SCC I don't know who this goof is but can I get some shots in?

I am going on 18 yrs. with the CPD and NEVER EVER NEVER seen any exempt get their hands dirty with an arrestee or effecting an arrest for that matter. So a Commander of a D Unit was doing interrogations himself? Maybe, but I never seen it. I thought Exempt meant exempting yourself far away as possible.
This idiot is then going by the garbage coming out of a scum lawyers mouth. Let me get this straight lawyers are for righting the wrong and never in for the big payout. Unless this idiot was there while the interrogations were being done, STFU!!! Just remember on the tiniest technicality a guilty animal will be set free, that's the only thing you can be sure of.

7/09/2009 06:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not sure what the truth is concerning Burge and the people who worked for him at A/2. I wasn't on the job during that time. I do know that police work was diffrent then.I can only go by what I've seen in the past few years,a long line of alleged offenders who have had their sentences overturned and who through tort action recieved millions of dollars in settlements.I'm no fan of our court system due to personal experience,but these many people being released from prison all of whom were investigated by A/2 cops who worked for Burge seems to be more than coincidential."Where there's smoke"....

7/09/2009 07:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey SCC-

Kinda OT but it's your most recent post and I just want you and maybe the officers who helped me last night to maybe see it

I just want to say thank you to you, and the rest of the CPD for what you guys do.
It's a fuckin war zone out there and you guys are on the front lines. 108 people die in a night on the west side one night? man that shit doesn't even happen in Gaza and that's a "war zone".


last night i was attacked on the diversey bridge and you guys promptly showed up, and even nabbed the guy that did it. The supervisor who showed up commented that it had been happening all month in the same spot.

Well, i'm glad you guys were there, and nabbed this stupid fuck before he caused some more senseless violence. I was lucky, and cars were approaching so they didn't try to rob me. But i had already grabbed my lock and was ready to defend myself.

so thank you guys.

-a bicycle rider

7/09/2009 07:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can anyone tell me about the website "friends AGAINST john Garrido"? I want to send my contribution.

7/09/2009 07:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Burge beat up my granny. Of course she did have a mouth on her.

Seriously, I have no use for the South Chicago wonder that is Jon Burge, but trying to blame every cop for him is stupid.

This author is not CPD. I worked while Burge was around. For anyone to say they believe Burge did those things without actually witnessing it cannot be a cop. We (coppers) know the first rule is "innocent until proven guilty" only the cop hating lawyers and liberals believe cops have to prove their innocence.

7/09/2009 08:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not to worry...they'll all be back in court for something soon. Look at Patterson. How long was he released before he was back in the court system. I walked past him myself in the hallway. Big dumb asshole, looking all serious and shit, trying to act like a human being. I felt like backslapping him and telling him if he knew how to live like a normal human being he could stop the academy awards performances for outrage and indignation.

---not a cop

7/09/2009 08:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Burge just did what was expected of him same as SOS. Any of you fools that violate the recent Gant decision will find yourselves in the same place in 20 years. Picture the next 4 years of federal and supreme court nominations deciding on something you did 20 years earlier. Dont be stupid if it isnt 1000% legit let it go.

7/09/2009 08:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I believe wholeheartedly in the aggressive tactics that Commander Burge undoubtedly used, and I also appreciated the effect that they had on the criminal element in my neighborhood. Grand Crossing, Chatham, Avalon Park, Burnside, Pill Hill were wonderful places to grow up in the '70s and '80s; now many parts have become s***holes. There were always thugs around, not to the same extent as when the projects finally came down, but they were there nonetheless. The difference is that they were afraid of the Police. Now they know the restrictions on the Police and take advantage. Fortunately (or unfortunately) everything is cyclical. As things get worse, the courts will ease restrictions on the Police. Video Cameras though, have changed the job forever.

7/09/2009 09:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wonder if the libtards will want to go after the savages who dug up graves to make some cash. There is no other word to better describe a piece of filth like that. Uncivilized savages.

Hey Olympic fans. Come to Chicago. Our savages are out of control. They'll kill you, bury you, dig you up and dump you in a mass grave and then sell the plot again. Nothing wrong here. Just another day in Chicago.

7/09/2009 09:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That my friend, I learned the hard way in Nam.
_____________________________________
BS...if you were in Nam you'd know that Burge is an American hero and one great cop. You can not possibly be a cop. No cop is that stupid. And if you are a cop...how'd you go so long without ever working the street? I'd hate for you to have to have my back.

7/09/2009 10:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Finna go said...

Speaking of Commanders, does ANYBODY know when Lillie-Crump is leaving 003? Can she take her lapdog Sgt. Boone with her? This is truly a case of dumb and dumber!!

7/09/2009 10:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm a lawyer, but the good kind. I don't represent criminals, I love cops (lots of them past and present in the family), and I defend cops who have been accused of violating pookie's rights. To all of you out there wearing blue shirts, I say God bless, keep doing your job, and pray that one of Father Phlem's associates accidentally misfires and fatally shoots (insert your choice of target here). Be well.

7/09/2009 10:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Not SCC said...

There is photographic evidence that defendants in custody were beaten.

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No there isn't, asshat.

7/09/2009 10:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

O.T. Hey Northside, before you start with your blind endorsement of garrido,why don't you do a little research about him. Please tell us what you find out because we already know. No vote for garrido.

7/09/2009 10:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Finna go said...
Speaking of Commanders, does ANYBODY know when Lillie-Crump is leaving 003? Can she take her lapdog Sgt. Boone with her? This is truly a case of dumb and dumber!!

7/09/2009 10:15:00 PM

Big shake-up coming we PRAY!

7/09/2009 11:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Did anyone see this in Sneads report today. Gee Snead why dont you ask your butt buddy Burke why he still has at least 5 full time P.O.'s assigned to him. But the countrys former president has none? Im sure in yours and Burkes mind he deserves it more than the ex-prez.


Now comes word that the Dallas Police Department has pulled out of the security force guarding former President George W. Bush's house. Although it only involved three men dividing up a 24-hour shift, it's all about a sagging national economy, dontchaknow.

7/09/2009 05:17:00 PM

Not 5 but 6 all being paid D-3 Sgets pay + They get D-3 pension, and when you see them working special, yep you got it D-3 overtime rate! But they get overtime and can work special as they work a 2 day on 3 off schedule so plenty of time for ot and lots of time off, never use time due! Why does burke always have 2,a driver and passenger cpd valet,why can't he sit in front seat?

7/09/2009 11:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Did anyone see this in Sneads report today. Gee Snead why dont you ask your butt buddy Burke why he still has at least 5 full time P.O.'s assigned to him. But the countrys former president has none? Im sure in yours and Burkes mind he deserves it more than the ex-prez.


Now comes word that the Dallas Police Department has pulled out of the security force guarding former President George W. Bush's house. Although it only involved three men dividing up a 24-hour shift, it's all about a sagging national economy, dontchaknow.

7/09/2009 05:17:00 PM

Burke and sneed are personal friends, they go to eddies Irish castle in Ireland every year!

7/09/2009 11:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
off topic.. what is going on in 008? I just saw on the news there were two more homicides in 008 around leclaire courts early this morning. wow, i checked the numbers and 008 is way ahead now in the lead for homicides, i think now they are about 4 ahead of 011 who is in second place. i am really glad I got out of 008.. too big, too much population. 250,000 documented people in 008.. imagine the real number of people that are not documented with 5 or 6 families living in one household. I feel bad for those guys working in that district... its goin buck wild. stay safe officers everywhere.

7/09/2009 02:12:00 PM

1 man cars and poor management!

7/09/2009 11:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm the non "real police" that made the granny and Burge comment. I personally thought the sarcasm of the "granny" comment made it relatively clear what my occupation is.

That means 8:26 pm can take a big bite out of my pale posterior. Bon apetit.

I've carried the CPD shield since the mid 80's. Would you like my academy class number?

I've been promoted, never meritoriously, and have never worked anything, but patrol and a short stint in the Academy. Prior to the police department I was in the military and college.

The police department is not monolithic and not everyone thinks of Burge as some hero. I obviously skipped the benefit that was held for Jon Burge in the early 90's.

If you read what I typed I said I believed Burge was guilty of "some" of the things he's been accused of. Before you start mouthing off about cops believing in innocent until proven guilty change the name "Burge" to "Daley" or "Burke".

Do you get my point now, Brainiac?

Now I do believe in the death penalty and I credit Jon Burge's activity with allowing the Wilson brothers to die in prison instead of with an injection. Jesus needed another angel and took one of the Wilson brothers relatively recently, but the other is still breathing. Perhaps Jesus will need another angel.........soon I hope.

I'm sick of the "real police" ideal some cops want to foist on others. There's a limit to the thin blue line. In my opinion Burge crossed that limit. Other guys named Doyle, Finnegan, Callahan, and a host of other names have crossed the limit too.

You are free to differ in your opinion. Last time I checked this is a free city in a free country and the existence of this blog, which must be a real pain in the ass to the powers that be, is proof of that.

You can say many things about me. You can say I have a stupid haircut. You can say I shouldn't have had sex with your sister. You can say I'm ugly. You can say I should lose some weight.

You can't truthfully say I'm not a cop because you don't know. Only I know......and the Shadow.....he knows too.

Now once again take a bit bite out my left WeisCheek.

7/09/2009 11:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The half-wit author of that idiotic comment is non-other than the dim witted conspiracy theorist Chicago Tribune reporter David Heinzmann. Look at his writing style from published works in the soon to be history Tribune. He trolls this blog with regularity and his weak attempts to look like a poor speller with bad grammar are laughable. Examples: he uses “him” when he should have used “his”; then he leaves out the word “be”; then he uses “dear” when he should have used “dare”. Mr. Heinzmann – you suck, your paper is in bankruptcy and will soon go under, and you are at the top of the list of liberal scum media – eat shit you troll. Shalom

7/09/2009 11:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is photographic evidence that defendants in custody were beaten...

Who's photographs, the Defense?
No shit Sherlock, there always are.

Whats driving the cops nuts is that people actually believe this shit.

If I committed a murder in Area 1, I'd claim this Burge shit too. These fuckers know the game, and so do their Lawyer's; and their playing you like a fiddle.

7/10/2009 12:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can anyone please post a link to the Northwestern School of Jounalism or Law that "investigated" these claims.

7/10/2009 12:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Whiny Cops: "We weren't there. We're constantly under attack! We always tell people we don't want no trouble, yet for some inexplicable reason, we became cops. This mustache totally doesn't make me look gay! We hold reunions for events like the DNC riots because we're proud of the beatings we administered, even though the majority of the country views it as akin to the Kent State shootings. We're voluntary public servants! Feel bad for us! And give to our fund!"


Hey dumbfuck, I don't want anything from you except for you to have a huge cup of STFU.

If you hold the Police responsible for the leftist uprising in 1968 you are a asshat of mega proportions.

It is not inexplicable why most Cops become Cops---- Duty, public service, making the world a safe place for kids and the elderly.

Burge is a martyr for good Police work. Enjoy your retirement Boss.

7/10/2009 12:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cops remind us that we hate them till they show up to help us -ad nausium. But after I've called them to deal with the gangbangers cropping up in our neighborhood, even after catching them in the act, the same kids are back out the next day.

Hey Dumbfuck, unfortunatly even savages have constitutional rights.

Plus, I am sure you would be first to beef if I gave said gangbanger a extra crack for bothering citizens.

in short, GFY

7/10/2009 12:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

BS...if you were in Nam you'd know that Burge is an American hero and one great cop. You can not possibly be a cop. No cop is that stupid. And if you are a cop...how'd you go so long without ever working the street? I'd hate for you to have to have my back.
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Burge is an American hero to you punk. To me, who IS a cop, and a decorated Nam marine who WAS tortured while serving my country, he is nothing but a pussy. Anyone can knock the shit out of someone wearing handcuffs and until it happens to you AND and even worse happens to your best pal right in front of you, you will just never get it. As soon as I just wrote that I realized that none of you will ever get it. Ask John McCain....he gets he....most real men do. Now go back to talking like the big man you aspire to and never will be...I am done with you.

7/10/2009 12:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To whoever posted the blog comparing Burge to SOS is a complete fucking MORON. Burge never robbed anybody.

7/10/2009 02:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jon Burge is and American hero and Chicago Icon. God Bless Jon Burge.

7/10/2009 02:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

...I've carried the CPD shield since the mid 80's. Would you like my academy class number?...

7/09/2009 11:19:00 PM
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Why don't you put in on your hat where it belongs?

7/10/2009 06:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Send your class # pussy. I would also like you to send where you worked.

I thought I was tough until I saw my friends bleeding and dying.I aged more that day than anyone should have.

If you really are the Police shame on you.

When the shit hits the fan, some guys stay and others run.

I never thought "I" was tough. Christ knows I was scared . I fought the good fight and thank God I won.

Medal of Valor recipient, and would trade it all to have my friends back.

If I lost I would want Burge and the rest of the dynamite coppers to avenge me!!!

7/10/2009 06:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

off topic.. what is going on in 008? I just saw on the news there were two more homicides in 008 around leclaire courts early this morning. wow, i checked the numbers and 008 is way ahead now in the lead for homicides, i think now they are about 4 ahead of 011 who is in second place. i am really glad I got out of 008.. too big, too much population. 250,000 documented people in 008.. imagine the real number of people that are not documented with 5 or 6 families living in one household. I feel bad for those guys working in that district... its goin buck wild. stay safe officers everywhere.

7/09/2009 02:12:00 PM

OT; 008 is a time bomb waiting to explode.
Too big, too populated, too many parks, schools, malls, gangs, traffic bla, bla, bla
Number one in population, calls for service, reports generated
Top 3 in homicides…top 5 in shootings.
Gang activity from Western to Harlem. Burglaries and robberys out of control because there is no one to prevent shit from happening.
A district 3 or 4 times the size and population of 007, 009, 011, 015, 006, 003, 002, …. With the same or less cops.
No benefit of assistance from TRU , MSF, Saturation teams etc…
Good hard working cops trying to do some good while swimming up stream of a radio that doesn’t stop.
When the resources don’t match the workload you get system failure….
Cars downed, sectors stripped, Tac cars taking domestics and accident reports, Sgts dumped on Decent commander trying to make something from nothing
Hate to bust the bubble but something has to give

7/10/2009 08:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ANOTHER DELUSIONAL LIBERAL FUCK WHO REALLY DOESNT GET IT.
THIS IS WHAT IS WRONG WITH SOCIETY TODAY.

YOU ARE PROBABLY PRO OLYMPICS TOO YOU MORON.

7/10/2009 08:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Burke has all that security because he is in the Outfit. It's a fact, get over it. The few honest feds (who admittedly have their hands tied) will tell you.

7/10/2009 08:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is no "good kind" of lawyer.

7/10/2009 08:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Burge wouldn't have let a guy like Finegan shine his boots. He would have caught on to his bullshit about five minutes after it started because Burge was beloved in the ghetto. He had snitches high and low and every time anything hinky happened Burge got twenty phone calls from all over the place. Murderers and rapists hated and feared him but everyone else respected him.

7/10/2009 08:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You can't truthfully say I'm not a cop because you don't know. Only I know......and the Shadow.....he knows too.

Now once again take a bit bite out my left WeisCheek.

7/09/2009 11:19:00 PM



I can say you are not the Police. You may have picked up some of the banter here, or in courtroom perhaps, but you are not the Police.

I have never, ever, heard a real Chicago Police Officer refer to his C.P.D. shield. Too much T.V. there ya poser you!

7/10/2009 09:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've carried the CPD shield since the mid 80's. Would you like my academy class number?

CPD Shield? Monolithic? Yes I would like your academy class number.

In regards to the Marine in "Nam", If ture, Thanks and Semper FI. I say if true because, well he should know why. No insult intended.

7/10/2009 09:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It amazes me that everytime they say detectives who worked under John Burge don't say that they were also working under Leroy Martin who was the commander of A/2 at the time.

7/10/2009 10:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To whoever posted the blog comparing Burge to SOS is a complete fucking MORON. Burge never robbed anybody.



Gee who has been convicted of that from SOS. Oh thats right people just keep getting their charges dropped. So STFU.

7/10/2009 11:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jesus needed another angel and took one of the Wilson brothers relatively recently, but the other is still breathing. Perhaps Jesus will need another angel.........soon I hope.

Hey retard hopefully this killer is hanging out with your mom in heaven. Since you think hes such an angel. Id like to think the animal is burnin up. And im sure you have first hand knowledge of the case. Otherwise STFU. No one has been convicted of anything.

7/10/2009 11:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

7/09/2009 11:19:00 PM

Your not a cop. Guaranteed.

I got a test for you. Give us your sen date and first unit of assignment and the commander of said unit. This way you could keep your anonymous status but you would have knowledge that only a copper from your supposed era would have.

7/10/2009 11:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As for the FOP funding his defense I consider that to be bullshit and a tactic some of the elected officers are using to appeal to the retired contingent of members.
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Ah........remember, these are just allegations against Burge. He is still entitled to all the benefits that the FOP and CPD can give him. If and when he's convicted, then go after him for the monies that the FOP laid out for his defense.

Which then begs the question.....what happens to all these shit heads who have been released just on the mere "allegations" of brutality? Does Kitchens have to give back all his ill got gains from his lawsuit?

What about the ones who have had their records expunged by the State? Are they re-tried?

7/10/2009 11:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I worked for Burge for several years. He was a good boss, fair, looking out for his men. I never saw any wrong doing by anyone in his unit. When the men would make a good pinch he was there with pizza,always thinking of the men. If I were to get shot, there is no once else I would want running the investigation then BURGE.
All the bosses that wanted the results, but did not want the heat when those lying assholes made their beefs.

7/10/2009 01:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You can't truthfully say I'm not a cop because you don't know. Only I know......and the Shadow.....he knows too.

Now once again take a bit bite out my left WeisCheek.

7/09/2009 11:19:00 PM

It is apparent that you have donated a lot of time to reading and studying the blog and it is evident that you have culled a lot of information from it. Then you were able to put it all together and come up with a plausible representation of copspeak, but you dropped the ball a few times and exposed the fact that you are not a police officer. I will not list all of your mistakes because I refuse to help you further your charade. Now go away jagoff. I say it again, you do not amount to one skin cell on Jon Burge's backside. Jon Burge is a great American Hero, and you, fool, are not worthy of further comment.

7/10/2009 01:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

off topic.. what is going on in 008? I just saw on the news there were two more homicides in 008 around leclaire courts early this morning. wow, i checked the numbers and 008 is way ahead now in the lead for homicides, i think now they are about 4 ahead of 011 who is in second place. i am really glad I got out of 008.. too big, too much population. 250,000 documented people in 008.. imagine the real number of people that are not documented with 5 or 6 families living in one household. I feel bad for those guys working in that district... its goin buck wild. stay safe officers everywhere.

7/09/2009 02:12:00 PM

1 man cars and poor management!


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how can you say poor management? cmdr kup is one of the better bosses that district has seen in years. hes not a micro manager and knows that the district is too big. he dosent expect us to go out there and save the world. I think he is a regular guy who treats the troops how we should be treated. anyone that says otherwise is just a hater and very bitter. Im sure your one of the guys in roll call who complains about everything no matter what it is. 9 hrs days your gonna complain, 4 ten hour days and your gonna complain.. new car and its not good enough.. pathetic. quit blaming your misery on the "management".. kup is a good guy and a great boss to work for.

7/10/2009 01:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ATTENTION 016th dist. P/o's and Niles PD.

WWW.COPWATCH (etc.) spotted printed on a small SUV (black) in red lettering on the windshield w/ M/2 20's dark hair driving and then parking in the garage of the CONDO at the SE corner or Touhy and Caldwell in 016 next to Edgebrook motel.

HEADS UP!

Also make sure they are legit when they drive if spotted!

7/10/2009 02:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
The half-wit author of that idiotic comment is non-other than the dim witted conspiracy theorist Chicago Tribune reporter David Heinzmann. Look at his writing style from published works in the soon to be history Tribune. He trolls this blog with regularity and his weak attempts to look like a poor speller with bad grammar are laughable. Examples: he uses “him” when he should have used “his”; then he leaves out the word “be”; then he uses “dear” when he should have used “dare”. Mr. Heinzmann – you suck, your paper is in bankruptcy and will soon go under, and you are at the top of the list of liberal scum media – eat shit you troll. Shalom

7/09/2009 11:40:00 PM
&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

Yeah the investigative rumor is he is given info. to report from political analyst/reporter DAVE CHASE who is High School/neighborhood/or just good friends with a F/2 Sgt. in IAD that gets paid for inside "scoops" from officers personnel jackets/24 hour reports etc. ...theres a leak for ya JPW ! INTEGRITY?

7/10/2009 02:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am also an early 80's hire and I side with the Vietnam Vet. I was going to refrain from commenting on the the sadist Burge and his all too willing accomplices, but he and his dicks almost cost the case against the fucking Wilson brothers to be thrown out, so I wish I could say more, but loose lips sinks ships. Have to say I am stunned at the devisive comments to the Marine as he is right on target. Glad you came on the job Sir and thanks for your service in War. As a cop mother of a young soldier in the Afgan War I understand exactly what you stand for, don't let the uninformed get on your nerves. tks for speaking for cops with a moral compass.

7/10/2009 05:30:00 PM  
Blogger John Northen said...

"Hey Northside, before you start with your blind endorsement of (John) Garrido, why don't you do a little research about him(?)" - Anonymous; 10:46 PM

I would consider voting for Satan himself before I would vote for ANY Chicago, CRook County Democrat. The corrupt machine stranglehold must be broken. We are the laughingstock of the nation.

I think these rats are as humorous as childhood leukemia.

7/10/2009 06:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"It is apparent that you have donated a lot of time to reading and studying the blog and it is evident that you have culled a lot of information from it. Then you were able to put it all together and come up with a plausible representation of copspeak, but you dropped the ball a few times and exposed the fact that you are not a police officer. I will not list all of your mistakes because I refuse to help you further your charade. Now go away jagoff. I say it again, you do not amount to one skin cell on Jon Burge's backside. Jon Burge is a great American Hero, and you, fool, are not worthy of further comment.

7/10/2009 01:41:00 PM"



I'm a cop. Just because I didn't go to Chicago Public Schools and can write a coherent sentence doesn't mean I'm some teenage wannabee.

I can't prove it here and I don't claim to be able to definitively tell who is a cop and who isn't among the commenters here.

I'm fairly sure SCC is a cop, but he could be that south side kid who was arrested for impersonation earlier this year. Unlikely, since I've never met a black teenager with a fascination for hockey, but it could be possible.

The point I was trying to make was that not all Chicago Police view Burge as a hero. The opinions are mixed.

As for me not amounting to one skin cell on Jon Burge's backside, I protest. He has plenty of backside and I feel that I am worth multiple skin cells.

So much so that I hope to receive a promotion to the exempt ranks during Jody's next "unfrozen caveman promotion, demotion and retirement" binge.

I'm not related to any politicians, but that shouldn't hold a talented chap such as myself back.

I'm done with the Burge topic. So have at me. I won't bother responding. I wouldn't want to give any of you Burge worshippers any additional heartburn.

As for the cop mom of the soldier in Afghanistan I hope your son comes back healthy and soon.

That's may be the one thing we can all agree on.

7/10/2009 07:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Because of Flint Taylor every one who worked in Area 2 or Area 3 is refusing to testify in any inquiry about any mutt locked up during Burge's time.

This is why the mutt's are walking!

7/10/2009 08:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Like spoiled kids they cry scream stomp their feet and hold their breath until PAYDAY. Murderers glorified, baby killers getting sympathy all in the name of justice, WHAT A JOKE !!!!

7/10/2009 09:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr. 0854 hrs, Are you kidding me. What murderers deserve is prison time, not bleeding heart liberal sympathy. Yes its a different era now and the streets and police reflect that. Nam, I doubt it seriously..... you would not avenge the death of a fallen murdered comerade. You sir probably ran the other way. I would not trust you to be my partner for one tour. And I guess you believe Abu ghraib prisoners were tortured.... torture is the act of homicide upon the victim, torture is sawing a human beings head off with a machete. Wow we certainly have become a joke.... every ass on the street now has 1 thing to say...I'm gonna get paid and its because of greedy lawyers and politicians that we live in this sewer called Chicago.

7/10/2009 10:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wonder why we have not heard any of the assholes who were arrested while Burge was in command at A/2, claim that they were waterboarded.

Have to run now, I'm reading a great book titled Lawyers and other Reptiles.

7/10/2009 11:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

if it wasn't burge who put a tune on the wilson jagoffs someone else would have--- dragging the guy up here from florida 15 years after they fired him for some nonsense is the real crime being committed--- if you don't have the balls to do the right thing to someone who hurts an officer(s) you don't belong on this job.... next time the guy goes apeshit because someone didn't put him in his place, you might be the one laying on the ground getting your ass handed to you fighting to keep control of your weapon and trying to save your life---

7/11/2009 12:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

GOD BLESS JON BURGE

7/11/2009 04:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A vote for a republican in Cook County is a vote FOR a democrat. Take a close look at past elections. Joyce is the mensa strategist. He's the mastermind of the Jane Byrne defeat. After what Daley did as States Atty in high profile investigations to innocent people he should have been burned at the stake. Well, he will be burned at the stake. Just not until he dies and then it will be for all eternity. I'd like some people with proven balls to run as independants. I'd be aringing doorbells and awritin' checks. Garrido's full of shit. I know more than I even want to know.

7/11/2009 04:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would feel that justice is fair when I read that Flint Taylor, Jon Loevy and their minions are being ivestigated for subordination of perjury and several of them are indicted.

If I was doing 20 or 30 years I would say anything and claim anything to get out of jail and then have a chance to obtain a large sum of money again I would say and claim anything.

These people are perverting the justice system for their personal benefit!

7/11/2009 05:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nice of you to defend the commander of 008; but, in truth, he is no better than the rest of the political hacks. So what he takes care of a lot of white shirts, not too many blue shirts. In general, though, Kup is clueless. He is waiting for another promotion and does plenty of ass kissing. I'm not complaining, it could be worse; but as for Accountablility, he hasn't done much. Boo Hoo, to his defenders, whom he takes care of with his little perks! All in all, he really has let the 8 dist. go, regardless of his nice guy status. So what? Jody is not nice, but he is efficient. So is Georges and a lot of other commanders. Let Kup go. If he's so great, let him get a non-political job! Retire already. Go in peace and let someone else take your 6 figure salasry.

7/11/2009 08:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Response from a Half-wit Asshat – Part I

Due to the tone and swiftness with which I wrote the original response, my larger point was missed. I’m responding once more in the hopes of striking up a more constructive dialog. So below is a more thoughtful (and better proofread) response. The larger point I was trying to make was this: Boys in Blue: You’ve been had! (And some of you know it.)

My initial response in the comment section was admittedly hasty and a bit careless. I honestly didn’t think you guys would post it. But I’m glad you did. Since then, some of your readers have labeled me hippie scum, a communist, a gerbil fucker, an asshole who lives with his Mama, and a plant for Flint Taylor and the People’s Law Office. I assure you, none of which I am (classy accusations though guys!). And I am not Tribune reporter David Heinzmann (but I do think it’s hilarious that one of your readers thought I was him due to the enormous number of typos in my first response). Neither am I a cop; nor am I affiliated with Copwatch. Nor do I think all cops are corrupt or sadistic. If so many of your readers’ comments weren’t so vicious and threatening, I’d be happy to have this conversation above board.

This back and forth began in response to SCC’s posting, The Specter of Burge Again, in which you guys went after Kitchens and Reeves, the two alleged killers of two women and three children- no doubt, a most heinous crime for which the perpetrators should be caught, investigated, prosecuted, and incarcerated. But here’s the problem, because the CPD as an institution did not investigate Burge and cut him loose from the department after the first series of torture accusations in 1971, the department becomes responsible for both his later alleged torture-coerced confessions/wrongful convictions and the inability to convict/imprison the alleged torture victims for crimes that some of them no doubt committed. Burge and his alleged tactics ultimately obstruct the very justice for which you guys claim to fight. And the department, FOP, and city officials who protected and defended Burge remain responsible for the miscarriages of justice on all sides. As for the lawyers such as PLO, Lovey, and the Northwestern law clinic- they are defending the legal and constitutional nature of our courts and system of law enforcement as much as they are defending the so-called “scumbags” for whom our courts are designed to prosecute. If we don’t have limits on how far our detectives can go in interrogation tactics, and we don’t have a police department or courts that impose sanctions when that line has been crossed, then we don’t have a real legal system. We have a banana republic on the lake.

Some of your police readers still defend Burge as an “American Hero,” “the right guy at the right time,” and “a martyr.” This is the problem. The Daley administrations (past and present) and the FOP have convinced many of you guys that anyone who questions police conduct is, well, an “asshat” who hates cops and hates civilization. The political machine gets in trouble because it doesn’t take meaningful measures to respond to crime and poverty, then expects you guys to contain this mess and allows and encourages its officers to “do whatever it takes.” But here’s the thing. They ain’t protecting you boys and girls. They’re protecting their own asses. Yeah, they’ll stand by you as long as the public’s more or less with them, but when the Feds come a lookin’ and the public

7/14/2009 04:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Response from a Half-wit Asshat – Part II

becomes rightly outraged at the excesses, then, oh, it’s a “rogue cop” or a “rogue unit.” You guys must realize (and many of you already do) that crime--and yes, racial politics-- are a big part of Chicago politics. The political time bomb (not to mention human catastrophe) that is race and crime in Chicago can be milked and spun by grandstanding politicians who howl “gangs, guns, and drugs!” but never is it dealt with honestly and forthrightly. Yes, our city does have some of the qualities of a war zone. But that does not mean we should resort to the tactics and logic of total war. We must keep our heads and not defend, or worse, celebrate unnecessary brutality. If the Chicago police want the respect, assistance and good will of their citizen-tax payers, they must be seen as effectively policing their own and not grumbling when the public demands reasonable civil liberties protections. Otherwise, when you guys celebrate and defend things like the 1968 DNC fiasco (another fine example of the CPD rank and file being played like a fiddle by Dick Daley, read Battleground Chicago) and Burge, you can’t be surprised when the public has a less than stellar view of the department and hesitates to cooperate in criminal investigations. It’s a real shame when witnesses won’t help the police solve violent crimes, but this is an accurate reflection of the lack of trust between the neighborhoods and the police (which is obviously compounded by the fear of retaliation and lack of protection).

In your comments section, some of your own Chicago police readers acknowledge the problems with Burge:

“…the old timers who know the truth about the Burges of this world are less inclined to admit that they are appalled at that sort of behavior. Worried they might seem disloyal to a brother. The newer guys know that Burge was no ones brother...he was a sadistic madman.”

“As for the FOP funding his defense I consider that to be bullshit and a tactic some of the elected officers are using to appeal to the retired contingent of members.”

“I personally believe Burge is guilty of some of the things he's been accused of.”

“Burge just did what was expected of him same as SOS.”

“The police department is not monolithic and not everyone thinks of Burge as some hero…I'm sick of the "real police" ideal some cops want to foist on others. There's a limit to the thin blue line. In my opinion Burge crossed that limit. Other guys named Doyle, Finnegan, Callahan, and a host of other names have crossed the limit too.”

“Burge is … a pussy. Anyone can knock the shit out of someone wearing handcuffs and until it happens to you AND even worse happens to your best pal right in front of you, you will just never get it...most real men do. Now go back to talking like the big man you aspire to and never will be...I am done with you.

“…the sadist Burge and his all too willing accomplices, … he and his dicks almost cost [caused] the case against the fucking Wilson brothers to be thrown out…”

So I offer this response in hopes that you will post it and sincerely engage the political and racial questions I raise. Ask yourself this question, if Burge had been a black police officer accused of using such tactics against Bridgeport whites, do you think he would have been handled differently by the department, city officials, and the FOP? I certainly do not intend this to imply that all white Chicago police are racist or support Burge, but c’mon, let’s not ignore the obvious racial implications of the Burge saga. Let’s acknowledge it, prosecute those who can be proved guilty of wrongdoing, and try to build a better police force based on a shared understanding of this city’s troubled past.

Let the ad hominem attacks commence!

7/14/2009 04:23:00 PM  
Blogger SCC said...

to the unpublished:

That wasn't in the jury instructions and wasn't in the jury's purview. Any opinion they had wasn't in the realm of that trial.

10/13/2014 04:45:00 AM  

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