Lies, Damn Lies...
And statistics:
Chicago Police Supt. Jody Weis on Friday hailed an 11 percent drop in homicides and a 9 percent dip in all crimes during the first seven months of 2009 as a "very encouraging" sign that his department's strategies are working.
"I'm satisfied with the overall progress of the year," Weis said at police headquarters. "We've got a lot more to do."
Through the first seven months of 2009, the city recorded 258 homicides, compared with 290 for the same period in 2008.
So we're down 32 homicides. Any reduction is a good thing, so congratulations. We must be doing something right.
Now looking at the stats a little deeper. The Sun Times article lists Homicide, CSA, Aggravated Assaults, Thefts and Motor Vehicle Thefts as down; Robbery and Arsons are up. Missing seems to be the Aggravated Battery stats.
ChicagoBreakingNews has a very short article, but it says the following:
Now looking at the stats a little deeper. The Sun Times article lists Homicide, CSA, Aggravated Assaults, Thefts and Motor Vehicle Thefts as down; Robbery and Arsons are up. Missing seems to be the Aggravated Battery stats.
ChicagoBreakingNews has a very short article, but it says the following:
- Supt. Jody Weis said at a news conference that overall violent crime is down 3.5 percent, but there has been an increase in shootings over last year. As of July, there had been 39 more shootings this year than last, he said.
Only up 39? That seems low. We've seen a marked increase in shootings, especially multiple shootings that the media is covering. CBS did a largish report on over 200 people being shot in July alone, but we're only up 39? Are the numbers being fudged a bit? Is the quoted stat only for July totals? Are "Death Investigations" trending upwards? And as some of our readers asked, Robberies with a "person shot" are classified under which UCR code?
There's a reason the FBI never used Chicago crime stats in their annual report covering national crime trends for years and years. Are they still not using the Chicago data?
There's a reason the FBI never used Chicago crime stats in their annual report covering national crime trends for years and years. Are they still not using the Chicago data?
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
74 Comments:
Try over 1200 aggravated batteries this year.
Lies will get you nowhere but in trouble.
I've said it before and I'll keep repeating it...........
NEVER, EVER TRUST A FED......
God Save the CPD........
Retirement is the GOAL.........
..."Only up 39?"...
i'd have to thank a few Dr. in emergency rooms around the city for 39 agg batts. It could have been 39 more homicides!
Only up 39? Chalkie? You loosing your touch?
readers asking, Robberies with person shot, what's the UCR. Are You recruits?
03xx is lower than 04xx, isn't it? I'm just answering the UCR question, not how shot persons are totalled.
Hey SCC.
I've been checking the numbers and they seem to be True.
There is a decrease in homicides and agg batts with firearm. Believe it or not, the most decrease is in Area Two for both categories.
Now that's some great police work , beside the bitching you do , some stuff is actually working out ...
And...
I don't think the weather is a factor ...even up to this minute...
So for you, the disrespecful fucks who are down playing what a lot of us - the hard working police are doing...- keep bitching and crying and watch the few and the proud kick ass out there...
Thou Shall Not Lie. God is watching you...
After all the SPINNING happening at city hall, its absolutely AMAZING that nobody gets DIZZY and passes out......or maybe thats the problem!
Someone find the reports of what happened that day & publish them on this blog. Then maybe some of you who WERE NOT THERE will stop making up shit about what happened. For the person who said he was there? You must have run & hid too. Also, to the person who lied about the expended shells, the FBI Supervisor shot Salley 3 times & the bullets DID bounce off his breast bone. Another agent shot & missed, & FBI Swat was not given the go ahead to shoot Salley from the rooftop due to the chidren in the apartment. PUBLISH THE REPORTS & LET'S SETTLE THIS ONCE & FOR ALL. Although I'm sure the facts won't change your mind.
8/08/2009 11:53:00 PM
Since we're becoming pen pals, I moved your response up to the appropiately entitled post.
No I was not on your operation that day, if I was, this incident wouldn't have ended as such. I was there responding to your calls for help, like many others and know what I saw, heard, and read while our man was alone inside.
Publishing the reports wouldn't do us any good, as the reports were all attested to or generated through you and yours. So you can scrap that idea.
Someone wrote there are good and bad officers and agents in every law enforcement capacity. I agree, and all departments suffer from that, and it can affect the positive or negative outcome of police shootings.
No officer ever wants to go into any undercover operation without his trusted colleagues as back up. Having one cpd officer detailed to a federal task force never works the way upper management thinks. It is not a safe environment for cpd when working undercover having a federal agency as back up. Besides the obvious fact that our training, reaction time and personal interests are different than yours - our department policies and union rules are different and always come into play within seconds when things go awry.
Although I am more calm at this moment, the one fact remains. You left an injured officer alone inside an apartment with a bad guy with a gun. You admitted Salley had time to drag Joe's body. What the hell were you doing while you were watching that? By your admission, the only thing you did was take notes and cower while sucking your thumb.
Again, a tip for you. When shots are fired, we shoot to kill. We walk toward the bad guy, not away from. When a policeman is shot, we get angry. It is our natural blood-line instinct to risk our lives for another policeman, and we always do.
We have countless heroic stories of cpd officers saving each other's lives every day for years and years. This joint operation that was planned and controlled by YOUR federal agency is historically the only such incident that ever ended this way -tragically for us.
No, this will never be settled once and for all.
Is this the Olympic theme song?
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Any Agg Batt (shooting) is counted as one incident even if there are 7 people shot. This makes that stats appear to be lower. If you counted each person shot, you would have a huge amount of Agg Batts. By the way Chalkie was in 005 yesterday. 2x
Maybe the Tribune should have a people shot counter that updates everytime someone gets shot whether during a robbery or not.
Anonymous said...
Hey SCC.
I've been checking the numbers and they seem to be True.
There is a decrease in homicides and agg batts with firearm. Believe it or not, the most decrease is in Area Two for both categories.
Now that's some great police work , beside the bitching you do , some stuff is actually working out ...
And...
I don't think the weather is a factor ...even up to this minute...
So for you, the disrespecful fucks who are down playing what a lot of us - the hard working police are doing...- keep bitching and crying and watch the few and the proud kick ass out there...
8/09/2009 12:44:00 AM
Hey Jodi,
its past due for your botox injections, now get some sleep jackass.
This is a pattern... Everytime the sun comes out and he thinks a spike in shootings might happen he comes out with these fudged incredible numbers.,(and the stupid media leap on it.) Sorry Weis but anyone who's ever taken a statistics class can tell you that any numbers can be studied , skewd,fudged, manipulated, massaged, and reported to make a any point. Again... he thinks the public is stupid.
SCC, you have to start thinking like you work out of 35th Street. A homicide with multiple others shot is only counted as a homicide. You do NOT count any other person shot because they are not victims of the homicide. This also works for Agg. Batts. If there are multiple victims during the same shooting spree, there is one Agg Batt case report generated. Thus, when you count your aggravated batteries, it is one (based on only one case report). Easy to see now isn't it?
So for you, the disrespecful fucks who are down playing what a lot of us - the hard working police are doing...- keep bitching and crying and watch the few and the proud kick ass out there...
8/09/2009 12:44:00 AM
Oooooooooo.......I don't know about the rest of you, but this just sends chills down my spine!
Hard working police? Maybeeeeee. But most likely a 5 year wonder who has sat on the fence until now. The real indicator of "real police work" being done are the number of law suits filed against the city. Anyone have those stats?
Oh, BTW Mr. Hard Working Police Officer, if you do not want others to be DISRESPCTFUL of your Clint Eastwood ways, learn how to spell. When you leave a post like this one, you come off like all the honor students whose ass you are supposedly kicking.
readers asking, Robberies with person shot, what's the UCR. Are You recruits?
Ah......I think he was being sarcastic. Lighten up Francis.
even the FEDS are run by incompetent and left-wing politicos who are playing politics with the Truth. Figures LIE, and LIARS figure....
So for you, the disrespecful fucks who are down playing what a lot of us - the hard working police are doing...- keep bitching and crying and watch the few and the proud kick ass out there...
8/09/2009 12:44:00 AM
how many years do you have on? hard charger?..me? 13 in fillmore goof ball
WOW -JFED UR GREAT!
U CAME UP W/ ALL THSES INNOVATIVE IDEAS.
TRU ALA SOS
GANGS TO THE AREA WOW
TACT TEAM IN UNIFORMS?
BUT YOUR STILL HAVING MEETINGS TRYING TO GET MORE WORK DONE AND ARREST R STILL DOWN PRICKY! THE NUMBER YOU DONT TALK ABOUT.
ALL THIS MEANS IS THAT R RAISE SHOULD BE EVEN HIGHER!!!
MORE W/ LESS SHORT-PRICKS NEW BUZZ WORD.
WAIT TILL THE OFFER COMES OUT FOR NOTHING IN THE FIRST AND 2ND YEAR. THUS ELIMINATING ANY GREAT RETRO PAY.
IVE NEVER SEEN WORRY IN SO MANY SUPER OLD TIMERS THEY STILL WILL NOT RETIRE EVEN W/ THE INSURANCE.
WELL BACK TO THE PARK TO DO A PAK CHECK AND CHECK OUT THE BABES I FEEL A LALA POOLOZA COMING ON
Someone find the reports of what happened that day & publish them on this blog. Then maybe some of you who WERE NOT THERE will stop making up shit about what happened. For the person who said he was there? You must have run & hid too. Also, to the person who lied about the expended shells, the FBI Supervisor shot Salley 3 times & the bullets DID bounce off his breast bone. Another agent shot & missed, & FBI Swat was not given the go ahead to shoot Salley from the rooftop due to the chidren in the apartment. PUBLISH THE REPORTS & LET'S SETTLE THIS ONCE & FOR ALL. Although I'm sure the facts won't change your mind.
NOBODY IS COMPLAINING ABOUT THE FBI'S DEALING WITH SALLEY, CPD COPS ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE FEDS LEAVING JOE AIRHART LAYING SERIOUSLY WOUNDEDED WITH GUNSHOTS TO THE HEAD, FOR SUPPOSEDLY OVER AN HOUR WITHOUT TAKING ANY DECISIVE ACTION. THIS WAS, AND IS, TOTALLY UNEXCUSABLY FROM AN AGENCY SUPOSEDLY SO HIGHLY TRAINED THAT IT CAN HANDLE ANYTHING.
SO, IN ESSENCE, BLOW IT OUT YOUR ASS..............
So for you, the disrespecful fucks who are down playing what a lot of us - the hard working police are doing...- keep bitching and crying and watch the few and the proud kick ass out there...
8/09/2009 12:44:00 AM
What a balloon head!!!
Hope your neck is rubber like your head so you can stretch it around and kiss your own ass, ya moron...
Fuckin' two year hair gels think they've found the key to save the city. You don't know shit! You're just as stupid as the public if you believe the phony numbers that J-Pud is putting out there. You're probably not even a cop. If you were, you'd know the numbers aren't dropping and your Superintendent is full of crap.
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The few and the proud? More like the ego maniacs and the arrogant.
The Slum Times also failed to report on burglaries..
In the area of Grace and Osceola/Oriole in the 16th District there has been at least six residential burglaries this year.
We have never seen the 16th District tac team in the area but then it should not be called the 16th District tac team but rather the 15th District tac team because they spend more time out of the district than inside it!
If they ever appear in the area they should look into the 15 year old Latin King who resides on Osceola and Grace in Section 8 housing. He hangs around 3803 N. Olcott with his Polish buddy.
Anonymous said...
Maybe the Tribune should have a people shot counter that updates everytime someone gets shot whether during a robbery or not.
8/09/2009 05:26:00 AM
The Stuttering Prick would tell them they can't print that!
Multiple persons shot at one time only counts as an aggravated battery for case reporting purposes. The actual victim totals are tallied when someone is charged....in a perfect world.
Maybe, just maybe, the Department is only counting shooting "incidents", not actual persons shot.
The Department has always used stats without clarification, with omissions (clerical errors), and hopes that nobody can put 2+2 together.
Oh sure..7 assholes shot on 1 corner at one time is 1 RD# thats a brilliant way of counting... God I can't wait to get out of here!!!! Homicides down because medical technology is up nothing more.
They must be turning homicides into death investigations in order to keep the percentages down.
This is some bullshit. What stategies did HE come up with! He has twisted the Commanders arm for so long and dangled their fucking job over their heads that I think ALL 25 are sell outs. I work in Narcotics as a Sergeant and I make more fucking money than you! They give you shit to shuffle each day and that is that! The truth is the doctors in the city have gotten better and that my friend is why the Homicide rate is down!
Fuck you Jfed!
So for you, the disrespecful fucks who are down playing what a lot of us - the hard working police are doing...- keep bitching and crying and watch the few and the proud kick ass out there...
8/09/2009 12:44:00 AM
Signed, Jody
Let me set the record straight, sir. You have taken all the manpower in the city and thrown it into the ghetto. You have stripped the taxpayers of their Police, and there is no proactive policing done there.
Crime is creeping up in the slower Districts because of this and the animals are hunting there. Look Downtown for a clear example, but the other Districts are experiencing the same thing.
Less homicides? Who isn't being killed? Criminals, for the most part. Of all the homicides, one or two percent are real victims. How about teaching the bad neighbors how to be good citizens. Reverand? How about you? Nope, to busy with your community activision to deal with the real problem. Until you teach them to be good citizens, the ghetto will be the ghetto. Stop making excuses.
Oh yeah....and give us back our Police.
Anonymous said...
Someone find the reports of what happened that day & publish them on this blog. Then maybe some of you who WERE NOT THERE will stop making up shit about what happened. For the person who said he was there? You must have run & hid too. Also, to the person who lied about the expended shells, the FBI Supervisor shot Salley 3 times & the bullets DID bounce off his breast bone. Another agent shot & missed, & FBI Swat was not given the go ahead to shoot Salley from the rooftop due to the chidren in the apartment. PUBLISH THE REPORTS & LET'S SETTLE THIS ONCE & FOR ALL. Although I'm sure the facts won't change your mind.
8/08/2009 11:53:00 PM
Since we're becoming pen pals, I moved your response up to the appropiately entitled post.
No I was not on your operation that day, if I was, this incident wouldn't have ended as such. I was there responding to your calls for help, like many others and know what I saw, heard, and read while our man was alone inside.
Publishing the reports wouldn't do us any good, as the reports were all attested to or generated through you and yours. So you can scrap that idea.
Someone wrote there are good and bad officers and agents in every law enforcement capacity. I agree, and all departments suffer from that, and it can affect the positive or negative outcome of police shootings.
No officer ever wants to go into any undercover operation without his trusted colleagues as back up. Having one cpd officer detailed to a federal task force never works the way upper management thinks. It is not a safe environment for cpd when working undercover having a federal agency as back up. Besides the obvious fact that our training, reaction time and personal interests are different than yours - our department policies and union rules are different and always come into play within seconds when things go awry.
Although I am more calm at this moment, the one fact remains. You left an injured officer alone inside an apartment with a bad guy with a gun. You admitted Salley had time to drag Joe's body. What the hell were you doing while you were watching that? By your admission, the only thing you did was take notes and cower while sucking your thumb.
Again, a tip for you. When shots are fired, we shoot to kill. We walk toward the bad guy, not away from. When a policeman is shot, we get angry. It is our natural blood-line instinct to risk our lives for another policeman, and we always do.
We have countless heroic stories of cpd officers saving each other's lives every day for years and years. This joint operation that was planned and controlled by YOUR federal agency is historically the only such incident that ever ended this way -tragically for us.
No, this will never be settled once and for all.
8/09/2009 03:27:00 AM
Amen.
My thoughts exactly. I was not in the building or in the apartment though I wish I was. I was nearby however.
I can't believe that two law enforcement officers advancing while firing could not have resolved the situation one way or the other.
I couldn't believe what I heard that day from one of the FBI agents involved, that he and his partner retreated to cover and called for backup. They WERE the backup, and they were armed.
These words came directly out of an FBI agent's mouth who claimed he was inside the apartment during the shooting. That footage was then shown on ABC/7 Chicago, I saw it only once and never again.
Fuck all that contrived BS, nothing changes.
On a higher note-
Congrates to the boys and girls in zone 6 last night. I was on the zone with a follow-up and the capture of the ass-holes from the shoot up at 65/Western reminded me of police work of years past.
As far as the guy who apparently doesn't know what a "dago" tee shirt is, keep your ignorance and comments to yourself until we are sure all the POs in the foot chases are OK and accounted for.
Good work 008,007 and the ninja outside unit kids-
WHOO RAH!
If a person is shot during a robbery, Property crimes handles. And its classified as a robbery
How about all these young children gettng shot??? Child shot in Logan Square, 17 year old shot in South Shore, abandoned baby found in the trash in 100 degree weather..
That's just in the news today.
"Now looking at the stats a little deeper. The Sun Times article lists Homicide, CSA, Aggravated Assaults, Thefts and Motor Vehicle Thefts as down; Robbery and Arsons are up. Missing seems to be the Aggravated Battery stats. "
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I don't see burglaries either .....
Any Agg Batt (shooting) is counted as one incident even if there are 7 people shot. This makes that stats appear to be lower. If you counted each person shot, you would have a huge amount of Agg Batts. By the way Chalkie was in 005 yesterday. 2x
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Honestly when I read this the light went on in my head... This makes 100% complete sense!!!
SCC - I think this post raises some good points and questions. Are they counting the number of UCR's pulled for Agg. Batt's or the actual number of persons shot?
Also, let's remember that sometimes we will pull a UCR for a person shot and the next day or two they die.
Just read the breaking news article. Wait a minute.....600 more guns taken off the street this time of year compared to last?! Maybe I'm wrong, but that doesn't sound right.
Anonymous said...
Any Agg Batt (shooting) is counted as one incident even if there are 7people shot. This makes that stats appear to be lower. If you counted each person shot, you would have a huge amount of Agg Batts.
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I call that 'creative acconting'. Each person should be counted as 1, NOT each incident!
Robberies are the higher crime than Agg. Batteries. So if you are shot in a Robbery it is classified as a Robbery & it does not add to the number of Agg. Batts.
PUBLISH THE REPORTS & LET'S SETTLE THIS ONCE & FOR ALL. Although I'm sure the facts won't change your mind.
8/08/2009 11:53:00 PM
FACT: OUR, as in Chicago Police, guy is dead.
FACT: Salley was hit by Det’s rounds only.
FACT: Your guys NEVER fired a dammed shot.
FACT: Your guys ran out and left OUR guy there.
FACT: Your guys are cowards and pussies!
Any more FACTS you need there, rocket scientist? Now go back to shining your loafers, running around like your mentor in a pink dress, and telling your neighbors in the ‘burbs what a “super great hero crime fighter” you pretend to be.
Hey, since crime is down, does this mean we get a bigger raise? Awww shit, its in arbitration....
PUBLISH THE REPORTS & LET'S SETTLE THIS ONCE & FOR ALL. Although I'm sure the facts won't change your mind.
8/08/2009 11:53:00 PM
Since you seem to know oh, so damned much about the events surrounding this case... why don’t you publish the (cough) "truthful" reports from your esteemed crime fighters… We’d like to see THAT work of utter bullshit!
I don’t know why I can’t stop laughing right now… you are so pathetically comical.
“Breastbone”… that’s some funny shit right there. Holy fuck, you right stuff for the movies too?
“Changed calibers” Oooohhhh, I’m ROTFL my ass off!
You are a funny little person, aren’t you! Now go back to your room, play time is over, the adults are talking.
How about the fact that we will be the murder capitol of the USA? Murders are down due to medical technology. Does anyone have the balls to report that. In a city dwarfed by the populations of NY and LA we still have more murders than them.
Anonymous said...
Any Agg Batt (shooting) is counted as one incident even if there are 7 people shot. This makes that stats appear to be lower. If you counted each person shot, you would have a huge amount of Agg Batts. By the way Chalkie was in 005 yesterday. 2x
8/09/2009 04:32:00 AM
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Actually you couldn't be more wrong. Especially with the National Incident-Based Reporting System (NIBRS).
You know all those U.C.R. associations in CHRIS that you have do do that relate each victim of the shooting with 041A or the appropriate U.C.R. Code?
Well guess what. Each of those associations counts as an 041A per National Incident-Based Reporting System (NIBRS). You have to associate each victim with a U.C.R. code.
You are thinking of the old Summary Based Reporting System.
I GUESS DE-POLICING WORKS.LETS KEEP IT UP.
To: 0337hrs
Let's not forget the robbery task force on Harlem Ave this year. The Fed Boy didn't remember if he fired his weapon (turns out he didn't) and couldn't remember how many rounds he normaly loaded into his weapon.
They play with the stats... If you have four people shot and one killed it is reported in CHRIS as
(1) one Homicide.. The additional
(3)three people who are listed as "additonal victims" are not counted. So when u have multiple people shot with murder victims, the Agg Battery victims are not counted. Also if you have three or four people shot with no deaths, it is (1)one RD number so it appears that only (1)one is shot not the six or seven actually hit at the same time. So for counting purposes the powers to be have learned to literally hide the bodies. So yes, they play with the numbers. Wouldn't the media like to know that.
Crime id down and so is morale !!
No contract....me NO give a PHUCK !!
The UCR question is real....Watch commanders have ordered Agg Batt to PO written into the case report of CDTP because that was the call the PO was responding to. So now, Who submits these cases to the feds...and, is it under the original UCR code given by OEMC, or is it the correct one? Are 041a's ever updated to 0110's in the stats?
We have countless heroic stories of cpd officers saving each other's lives every day for years and years. This joint operation that was planned and controlled by YOUR federal agency is historically the only such incident that ever ended this way -tragically for us.
No, this will never be settled once and for all.
8/09/2009 03:27:00 AM
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I am not either of the original posters. I did work on a task force with a sniper who was there. He said they had a clear shot - twice - at Salley, but were not authorized to shoot either time.
Joe was a personal friend of mine. My team listened to the radio all afternoon, forbidden to go to the scene (too much confusion, was the official line). We knew, once they said the FBI had 'pulled back' and he was left inside, that this would not end well.
Joe was always adamant that he would not want to live the way he was forced to live after the shooting. He was a vital, life-loving, give-it-your-all kind of guy. He'd have been the first one to say, 'shoot the sob and make sure he can't do to anyone else what he just did to me'.
Whether Weis made the call or not, it was the wrongest possible call. It was NOT the call the CPD would have made. Never, ever leave your partner when he's down. You won't GET a second chance.
SCC, you have to start thinking like you work out of 35th Street. A homicide with multiple others shot is only counted as a homicide. You do NOT count any other person shot because they are not victims of the homicide. This also works for Agg. Batts. If there are multiple victims during the same shooting spree, there is one Agg Batt case report generated. Thus, when you count your aggravated batteries, it is one (based on only one case report). Easy to see now isn't it?
8/09/2009 07:16:00 AM
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actually , ur wrong
homicide victims are counted individually while aggravated battery incidents are considered by events . Si, if you have a double homicide, that will equal 2 on the books. If you have one agg batt with 3 victims shot. It is considered one agg batt event.
For the curious minds out there:
IUCR codes and methods are adopted by PD's and all use the same system. Unless ur a metro city with 10 x 10 square blocks.
Many of you fail to realize that the codes we use and the way we've been doing it is a template everyone else is using in the U. S
counting incidents or I should say events is the proper way to zoom in on motive and cause. So, 7 people shot in a robbery incident will be one event numbers.
IUCR code for homicide dictates individual stats for 'head count' simply because loss of life is involved.
Department counts aggravated battery and robbery Events as equal but homicide incidents as by victim count..
Sorry to Bust some ' empty baseless bubbles' every one is crying and screaming about. Lots of mis information is flowing around and I guess that's why it's called a "blog"
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If you want to know how many people have been shot, and I mean the real number, you might have to check with the fire department. They're the ones who handle the victims.
That's called a clue, reporters.
I really don't think it would be that hard for each district's review officer (or someone familiar with the system) to pull all the pinks of the agg batt's and check tne number of victims and just tally them up. I think anyone can check AIRA reports once they are approved....You gotta have one reader in each district who can figure this out, SCC, I'm sure of it.
Great, now you got what you want, now give us a contract!!!!!!!!
Slaughter in 014 today! The carnage continues!
12:53 P.M. they said 600 more"DANGEROUS WEAPONS"this crew counts a Boy Scouts knife.
how many years do you have on? hard charger?..me? 13 in fillmore goof ball
Your designator days "harrison" fillmores been gone since 74....goofball
Somebody fucken tell me ...How many mf's has Jody physically arrested in his carreer??? This is important... I bet it is less than 10...(with one of them being the shoplifter that he jumped on the paper to get in the newspapers about a month ago. Like all feds and the bulk of my ex-recruits... he is simply not the fucking police. Yeah .. I went there!
http://www.examiner.com/
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A very true article........
I really don't think it would be that hard for each district's review officer (or someone familiar with the system) to pull all the pinks of the agg batt's and check tne number of victims and just tally them up. I think anyone can check AIRA reports once they are approved....You gotta have one reader in each district who can figure this out, SCC, I'm sure of it.
8/09/2009 08:55:00 PM
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I have all the numbers you want!!!
I can tell you that aggravated battery incidents are about 5-7 % down in some areas and homicides are considerably down.
Now aggravated battery incidents DO not include any robbery codes... This category is down in some districts but tend to increase in Sep- Januuary for obvious reasons.
Every one keeps talking about victims VS. Incidents...
IUCR code determines what's what based on the FBI codes used,,,,
I keep reading that doctors are good and we should be way higher in homicides if it wasn't for good doctors..
Call it faith, professionalism...whatever,,
based on offender data base in custody,, the most deadliest offenders are juveniles - responsible for walk and shoot incidents while most of the aggravated battery offenders are adults and in some districts the drive by shootings' rate did increase - almost doubled on some-
so,
That is one of the main reasons why you have more agg batt victims and they ate not dying..
You also have to look at the injuries sustained where in
10 out of 25 districts have injuries in non vital areas compared to last year...
The most Administrative Areas for shootings were getting lucky with aggravated battery incidents with 'minor' injuries.
No death investigation will remain as such if the M.E office rules cause as a homicide; so get thatvout of your heads ,,,
Doctors are heaven sent for All, but when I read that there is always an outside element that is the reason of why the numbers look the way they are, I'm sorry to tell you that your speculation and reasoning is baseless.
Please remember that I'm neither defending nor offending anyone; this is based on a statistical module and available data that is available to All. For obvious reasons, we cannot discuss any specifics, but for the hard working POs reading the blog, you need to know this, as it is the truth!
And by the way, I'm not at HQ.!!
Anonymous said...
They play with the stats... If you have four people shot and one killed it is reported in CHRIS as
(1) one Homicide.. The additional
(3)three people who are listed as "additonal victims" are not counted. So when u have multiple people shot with murder victims, the Agg Battery victims are not counted. Also if you have three or four people shot with no deaths, it is (1)one RD number so it appears that only (1)one is shot not the six or seven actually hit at the same time. So for counting purposes the powers to be have learned to literally hide the bodies. So yes, they play with the numbers. Wouldn't the media like to know that.
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Actually, you have to associate the other 3 to a U.C.R. code of 041A in the Detective Supplementary report and on the tab have the 0110 and the 041A listed.
The detective associates the Homicide Victim with the 0110 and the agg batt victims with the 041A.
You are actually wrong.
No death investigation will remain as such if the M.E office rules cause as a homicide; so get thatvout of your heads ,,,
That is bull shit right there. The ME can classify as a homicide and the dept can classify differently. Perfect example was a few years ago there was u guy on new years eve that shot his wife or girlfriend and killed her. ME classified it as a homicide. But lo and behold since this wouldve put us at 500 for the year the dept classified it as an accident and said the guy was playing with his gun getting it ready to shoot it for NYE. So you are wrong. The ME and the dept do not classify in the same manner.
Funny how this information is released to the media now.... Shortshanks played his petty bullshit about our contract months ago, this would have been nice THEN! And when the FOP and CITY were in negoitation, I dont think the arbitrator will pay much attention to it now.
Really the bottom line is this. Street coppers who are out there every day & night are totally aware of what a messed up city Chicago has become in so many ways.
This site does illuminate that fact very well.
There's a reason why police are not allowed to be interviewed and it's not because of confidentiality, its because we would tell the truth.
And let's face it YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH
I guess that's why it's called a "blog"
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8/09/2009 08:28:00 PM
I think it's short for "web log"
No death investigation will remain as such if the M.E office rules cause as a homicide; so get thatvout of your heads ,,,
That is bull shit right there. The ME can classify as a homicide and the dept can classify differently. Perfect example was a few years ago there was u guy on new years eve that shot his wife or girlfriend and killed her. ME classified it as a homicide. But lo and behold since this wouldve put us at 500 for the year the dept classified it as an accident and said the guy was playing with his gun getting it ready to shoot it for NYE. So you are wrong. The ME and the dept do not classify in the same manner.
8/10/2009 11:06:00 AM
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don't know what your sources or better yet your senses are telling you , but that's is real easy to prove. Give me the year and the district and I'll be more than happy to prove it to you.
Why do we send bodies to the M. E's office ?
No speculation here.
Provide me with year and district of occurrence?
We'll see how far, your so called 'Bullshit' go;
Anonymous said...
No death investigation will remain as such if the M.E office rules cause as a homicide; so get thatvout of your heads ,,,
That is bull shit right there. The ME can classify as a homicide and the dept can classify differently. Perfect example was a few years ago there was u guy on new years eve that shot his wife or girlfriend and killed her. ME classified it as a homicide. But lo and behold since this wouldve put us at 500 for the year the dept classified it as an accident and said the guy was playing with his gun getting it ready to shoot it for NYE. So you are wrong. The ME and the dept do not classify in the same manner.
8/10/2009 11:06:00 AM
Homicide does not mean murder. Homicide is not always an illegal act. It is simply a person dying at the hand of another human being. Not always illegal, sometimes justified, sometimes accidental, sometimes ME is wrong.
This is why da Mare adamantly refuses to let the FOX TV program "COPS" do an episode with the Chicago P.D.
*Remember if there are 12 people shot under 1 rd# it's only 1 reported agg. battery.* This is how the city is getting away from the truth! MEDIA HOUNDS NEED TO GRILL THE CITY.
Can you see what's happening here?
WE are pitting yourselves one against the other, and we're just one example in many. Here on the blog,any differing opinion is given the canvas to attack the other. WHAT A SHAME!
WE are the leaders. Are'nt we more honorable than that? We have imploded from within. We have become our own worst enemy. The damage done by the media and the public pales in comparison to the damage that we're doing to ourselves.
Please, please, give it a rest. We all know that this blog is viewed by an ever-increasing # of people, from every corner of the world. Why are we showcasing ourselves at our worst? Why not use it to do some good. Comments that amount to nothing more than personal attacks on others are cowardly and serve no purpose other than to further divide us.
I am a "PROUD" member of the Chicago Police Department. I am proud of the service that I and my fellow members have given this Dept. and this city.
Things are far from perfect. At some points they can be unacceptable. It's during these times that we have to "dig in" and persevere by remembering why we were "so" determined to be a part of the CPD. And remembering the gratifying "high" that you got over and over again when you helped someone else. To that end, I challenge any and all readers of this blog (CPD in particular) to stop tearing each other up with the personal attacks. one last thing.
When I was about 6 years old, my dad went on one of his hunting trips to Nebraska. Among the things he brought back was a statue from Boys Town that said "He Ain't heavy,he's my brother" I believed it then, and I believe it now.
8/12/09 Jogger shot during North Side robbery attempt
CHICAGO (STNG) -- A jogger wearing an iPod was shot during an attempted robbery late Tuesday in the Rogers Park neighborhood.
Two seriously wounded in Woodlawn shooting
CHICAGO (STNG) -- Two people, including a child, were seriously injured in a shooting Tuesday night in the South Side Woodlawn neighborhood
"8/11/2009 09:38:00 PM"
Words of wisdom, indeed.
Sadly, though, human nature, being what it is these days, and with the ever decreasing number of actually thoughtful humans populating our society, you are preaching to an ever diminishing in number choir.
We can thank our public school employees for edumacating our children into lifelong retardation.
And who dictates what our public school systems 'teach'?
Anonymous said...
If a person is shot during a robbery, Property crimes handles. And its classified as a robbery
8/09/2009 12:41:00 PM
Actually Robbery Burglary Theft handles because there is no such thing anymore as "Property Crimes."
Of course it was classified as a Robbery, Robbery was moved from Violent Crimes To RBT. There is no more property crimes.
Thank you.
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