Terror Drill
- Somewhere between Navy Pier and the Shedd Aquarium, terrorists took over the cruise ship Odyssey. Men with automatic weapons boarded the luxury cruise liner at around 6 a.m. Thursday morning storming around the ship with the intention to take over swanky lake liner.
But don’t expect the National Guard to come around with guns blazing. The terrorists who took over the ship are actually Chicago Police and FBI agents practicing an anti-terrorism drill. The authorities are using marine and air assests to simuluate the hijacking of a maritime vessel on the terrorism hot spot that is the Great Lakes.
The anti terrorism drill is expected to last into the afternoon and portions of the mock-take over should be visible from the shore and the water and airspace immediately surrounding the exercise will be restricted, the FBI said. The effort is designed to test and improve response capabilities and coordination in the event of a real attack.
But how about something for the actual first responders on the street? Somehow, we don't see terrorists taking over a boat unless they're just going to execute everyone on board. It's too slow, too space restricted and not nearly dramatic enough if they run it into a concrete pier in a half-assed suicide run (they'd run aground at half the touristy spots anyway).
How about a few decent drills at the elevated trains, subways, downtown buildings and schools?
How about a few decent drills at the elevated trains, subways, downtown buildings and schools?
Labels: terrorism
posted by SCC at 8:07 AM
107 Comments:
There was an exercise earlier in the summer on the trains downtown.
Us in patrol are the LAST to get top-notch training, resources, equipment, weapons and manpower but curiously we are the first to encounter any terrorist attack, natural disaster or school violence incident. Its nice that a bunch of 35/Michigan P.O.s and monday thru friday agents are practicing for an attack but in reality they will the last people to show up and who will be the first line of defense???
The lowly patrolman that JPUD, Duggan, Brust and King Richie would rather shit on than give the time of day. Its a shame but thats the truth, we are expendable to these bosses and they will sell you up the river to save face. Beware, and look out for each other because the gold stars on this department sure aren't.
Off the topic: Did you see the picture in the Sun Times os the two transvestites who robbed the Irish immigrtant at Belmont and Sheffield? These two are frequent visitors to the Center on Halsted in the 23rd district which caters to the gay community. By the way, this cash strapped city we call SHITCAGO sold the land and the property which is located at Waveland and Halsted to these liberals for $1.00. Thats right ONE DOLLAR! Now the community is outraged because of all the violence and chaos the Center brings to the surrounding community. Stay tuned, this is going to get interesting with Commander Boehmer and Alderman Tunney with a lot of questions to answwer.
SCC, you make some very good points. But lets face it, the CPD does not have the manpower, equipment or leadership among other things to correctly respond to an actual terrorist incident.
For instance, how are we(beat officers) suppose to respond to a terrorist incident when we don't even have the manpower to answer the calls for service that come in now??
Equipment, don't get me started. I could go on all day. Needless to say, the department has neglected to keep up with technology and it shows when you look at any suburban town and what they have.
Leadership....oh boy, all I can say is IT SUCKS. We have bosses that can't/won't make a decision when the time comes. We have bosses that scream on the radio for a simple hit and run. How are we suppose to expect our bosses to keep it together during a terroist incident when they lose it for a hit and run???
Last but not least, we have J-Fed as our "leader." Enough said, god help the CPD.
Off Topic, but interesting.
Last week there was a police shooting in Austin TX. The family of the guy who tried shooting the officer retained a lawyer.
The lawyer's name is Loewy, he was on the local news calling the copper a murderer, calling for a Grand Jury, etc. He looked just as smarmy as the Loewy brothers up here.
Can't just be a coincidence, can it?
Might be a little interesting Saturday!
Bud Billiken Parade steps into 80th year
When it steps off Saturday, the parade will honor the country's first African-American president, Barack Obama
Saturday
Partly cloudy. A 40 percent chance of showers and thunderstorms in the morning. Hot and humid. Highs in the lower 90s. Highest heat index readings 100 to 102 in the afternoon. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph.
If you follow what the terroists want to do it is schools, like they did in russia and kill hurt our kids! SCC agreed it should be practiced at a school type environment, but then again the news media would see it,and daley would not like it! To think people could get killed in shitcago, unthinkable as daley lets his police dept dwindle to nothing!
did they bring in steven segal--- i always put my money on the cook---
I agree. It is awesome that SWAT and the Feebs are conducting real world terrorism training, but what about the guys who arrive on scene within minutes of it going to shit. How about 11 guys with AK's walking into 6 different hotels downtown. Who is going to go in and put a stop to these guys? SWAT is fantastic at what they do, but they are coming from a long way. What if they are tied up on another hbt job? Who then? Call out the guys who are at home? It all takes time. The regular beat guys and girls are going to have to step up. Unfortunately, there is no training out there for this, except a streaming video. Please!! Then how about equipment, you can't cut a Bearcat into six parts and go to six places at once. How about lights? One light truck for the entire police department? Please!! We are the second largest department in the U.S. and we don't have the proper equipment or training. I will give it to Jfed, he did get us the carbines, something that I never thought would happen in this city, but he did. Problem is, where are they? They are sitting in the radio room with the shotguns, locked away. Most W.C.'s won't let them out on the street. SORT, TRU and MSF are carrying, along with some GEU guys, but where are they? They are out in Area 4 and area 2. That's a long way from the Hilton or the Hyatt. The brass will say it costs money that we don't have. My question is, where is all the fed money we get every year from UASI going? Anyone ever see any equipment or training from that money? Amazing that we get millions every year in federal grants and we never see any new training or equipment. Moral of the story is...if you work a beat car you better be training on your own. Hit the range as much as possible. If you have a gun lock in your squad, take out a carbine. If the boss says no, call the union and file a safety complaint. Practice the tactics you have been taught. Watch the video, then go out and try the tactics out. Grab some of the guys on the watch that you know are going to be in the shit with you and do a few dry runs in an abando or an alley or even in the locker room (leave the guns holstered, don't need a accidental discharge when Joe Shmoe comes into the locker room to drop the kids in the pool). You will be out there on your own for a period of time, you will be expected to take action, be prepared for it and do your best. The life you save may be your own.
THERE ARE NO COPS ON NAVY PIER. NOT A ONE> IF YOU VISIT YOU ARE UNPROTECTED> YOU WOULD THINK THE CITY WOULD HAVE A POLICE PRESENCE THERE OR AT LEAST A SUB STATION But then again we have no terrorist experts on the Dept-Semper Fi
***How about a few decent drills at the elevated trains, subways, downtown buildings and schools?***
FBI has been watching too many Bruce Willis movies....I'd be more worried about some wingnut trying to pull another Timothy McVeigh.
OT:
Looks like Daley doled out $365.5 million to his buddies
By STEVE RHODES
Read it and weep all you suck a** union leaders and alderthieves!
"But how about something for the actual first responders on the street?"
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SCC: Once again you hit another homer. Just what the heck are the first responders supposed to do? Shot it out with their new striker fired handguns? Good luck! This city better realize the m4 carbine should be issued to the troops that can qualify SHOOTING the weapon. Not a silly physical agility test.
SCC I agree with you that more drills are needed and the venues are endless. Where you are just a bit off base is that the "maritime threat" is very real on the great lakes. Chicago is a prime target due to its status, infrastructure and population. The cruise ships along with other vessels are easy targets for any terrorist organization. Those cruises can have over 800 people on board and the ship can be used to cause severe damage at the pier as well as a step off point for a Mumbai style attack in the downtown area. You can have well over a thousand dead before they leave Navy Pier. The Marine Unit, Chicago SWAT and FBI SWAT are the front line defense for such an incident as no one else has the ability, equipment and training to deal with such a complicated and dangerous threat out in the open water. This was a great and valuable training opportunity and you should be supporting and applauding the efforts of the law enforcement officers that took part and lead the way in pushing for more training for the entire department.
Terrorism!!! Whats that? Not in Chicago. We are not terror targets.
I think its funny how the only people that actually perceive and recognize we are targets and where those targets could potentially be are the POs on the streets. Not the bosses or shortshanks but the POs.
Maybe they should practice the terror drill at the Bud Killagain Parade. 90+ degree weather should help.
We should be doing terrorist drills in downtown buildings.
You never know when a fully-armed Gary Coleman might snap and take over Willis' Tower.
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Yeah,there are Somali prites in lake Michigan.All BS to keep the boogy man alive.
were the FBI guys running toward the boat or away from the boat? you want to make it look real?
Well,
it's benefiting about 20 or some CPD officers...
Let's hope the majority won't be on furlough or RDO if so
' happen...
The losers are us, the first responders - the beat officers..
It's obvious who is the GREAT beneficiary is from this drill
hey!!
Do you know what a school violence incident plan is..
That's one of the main things I think about with all the gang Banging students shooting each other these days...
Now that's a training drill I wanna see..
The only terrorists I'll see on the beat is school students shooting each other or gambling buddies assasinating one another for the 'loot'!!!
Let's be realistic people..
It's good to have our 'Miami Vice' Marine unit' be involved...
I hope this was federally funded, that's all,,,
Sorry OT/ When does this department plan on promoting detectives. The last promotional class of detectives was Nov.2007 and that was only a class of 50. The list has been up since 2003 and the department has only promoted 242 officers off that list. How in the hell do you expect a officer to advance on this job. You are competing with 20% and 30% merit promotions and special study groups for the select few.... common on already!!!!! Anyone hear anything from 35th street???
I guess as with the whole DHS, selective enforcement for selective person(s.
We all know the bottom line, we, the coppers that work the street, will be the first in line and the least equipped... just look how things are run/headed now, could you expect anything more?
But I sure am glad that that fuckstick Ald. Burke got his pay raise and his new office, I use to think he had his priorities wired right…
I'm sure the folks can sleep better at night knowing that.
Hey SCC
I work in the 23nd district where a bunch of shit Bern happening on the streets as well as the bullshit politics of getting a new Tact Lt and other shit from 'hq' , ' small caps'
Now most of the shootings are on the weekends and they got the tact teams detailed to the billi- CAN- not parade and the Lolla- pow-wow -zoo parades ..
What kinda of a shot is that... Who is covering the district then... That's nor only here in 22 but all the teams in the Area.,,
can anyone tell me if Area Two teams , TRU, MSF are all going the parade ??
Is every one crying foul?? like the funeral bullshit details
that we have to baby sit the same fucking people who shoot at us and they get an escort from us right to the grave.,,
SCC,
We have all these 'specialized' units ...
TRU, MSF, GES, NAGIS which in total probably all have 500-800 officers and CANNOT deal with one fucking parade...,
they still have to strip the districts from the very last few teams ...,
I hope it will be 90 , no rain, humid, so all he'll will break loose and they can see what the deal is..
Obviously no one learned from PREVIOUS mistakes..
All the fat ass bosses with mini brains can't even figure that one out....
Never ending bullshit politics...,
Terrorists try to paralyze us by aiming at things that are huge symbols: Sears Tower, subway system, etc.
Things that would disable us economically and attempt to convey a very strong message...
i once observed a Terror Drill... it took place in Lt. Jim Carroll's office when he found out Donny had just eaten the last 7-11 nacho.
The tact teams are detailed Saturday and Sunday,,,,two parades
the weather is good...
Will it be all good!!!!
Hello Homicides!!!!
Then they'll hold the exempts/ Tact LT's / Tact teams responsible for NOT predicting where the shit happened
I can't wait to see what kinda news conference will justify this...
I hope you highlight this SCC.
We're going to get our asses handed to us if it really happens. Hope everyone stocked up on ammo when it was cheep. Dont expect the FBI to help us if it really happens.
We dont need first responders. Im sure the terrorist will wait the 2 hours it takes for "SWAT" to show up before they start shooting.
Also im sure we have enough officers who took the power test in order to qualify to carry the rifles that arent available and which no cars have racks for anyway.
A bunch of house mouses (like most of the Feds) runnibng around playing Cops and Robbers
"But don’t expect the National Guard to come around with guns blazing."
Unless you're in Baghdad or Kabul, because that's where you'll find The Illinois Guard. WTF??
Can they come up with a more unrealistic scenario? Must be a fed thing...
Hey idiots, take a clue from New York.
EXACTLY!! Guess who the first ones on scene will be? The fucking beat car, so provide us with ideas as to what to do. Fuck these jokers on the FBI task force, the ship will be gone and everyone dead by the time those clowns show up
Stuff like this should not be on the blog ... This is a public forum and can be viewed by the wrong element ... very irresponsible SCC
Let's see if the useless PO assigned to Navy Pier,18th district 2nd watch can handle this!,
what time is kick off for the weekend violence? I know Its going to be hot as hell for bud biliken. All you clowns working tac and being sent down there, cuz you have no rights please be safe. Chalkie is coming.
13th District Connection Man said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
He called in a Commander (I believe former 020th DC Martarano) to 11th and State. He told the DC, "I got some bad news for you. You are being reassigned to the rank of Lieutenant... Martarano told Martin that he was only 2 months shy of being vested for his Gold Braid pension. Martin said, "Well, this REALLY IS bad news for you then!"
As much as Martarano tried to bargain with Martin to try to get in those last couple months as an exempt, Martin stood firm and dumped him to Field Lieutenant. If memory serves me, he retired instead. Boo Hoo!
8/01/2009 03:11:00 AM
First of all, Martorano was named by Rodriquez, who followed Martin.
Second, your whole post is BS, Andy retired as a Commander and bought a bar in 016. He wanted to leave and didn't want to be elevated.
Do some fact checking at a minimum before you post.
8/01/2009 07:56:00 AM
Why don't you BOTH do a little fact checking.
Why did Andy Martorano retire as Commander of 020th District at the RIPE OLD AGE of WHAT, 53...54??!!
To CO-OWN a bar on Milwaukee Ave., with a man who was the biggest bookie on the Chicago Police Dept. before he retired?????
REALLY??!!!!
Is that what you believe???
A couple clues to point you in the right direction.
1. William Hanhardt
2. Robbery/Theft from jewelry salesmen
3. The coinciding retirement of Lt. Nick Nickeas of A3
4. The "unnamed and unknown" NOT indicted in the case.
8/03/2009 08:42:00 PM
Unfortunately, schools will most likely be their target.
OT-
HELLO IAD
HELLO INSPECTOR GENERAL
HELLO, ANYBODY OUT THERE GONNA DO ANYTHING ABOUT THIS:
I recently had the opportunity to see pictures of the academy golf outing.
To my complete disgust, I saw a federally convicted drug dealer in one of the pictures. (Rick Marrella-well known by us in the
8th district).
My friend, who is not part of the academy did not know whose guest he was.
I know that police officers are not allowed to socialize with convicted felons so who had the nerve to bring him to a police function?
Did he purchase any raffle tickets for the Glock?
8/05/2009 06:29:00 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The convicted felon was the guest of the one and only
"I work from home" A. C-H,
the admin. mgr. of the academy.
She could care less who knows that she is good friends with this federal convict.
8/06/2009 08:12:00 PM
I just can't wait till "Pretty Boy" Mike shows everyone in 022 how to be the REAL Police!! Just to be able tap into that knowledge from his solid 6 yrs on the street should be great for all of us!
My guess is that 2/3 of the tact team have more street time than he does!
Truth be told, if another terrorist attack occurred tomorrow, we have little more ability to stop it now, than we did on 9-11-2001... unless they attack the Odyssey, maybe.
I'm of the opinion that the next time it happens, it will be more of an Oklahoma City, Federal Building, truck bombing.
What if 50 suicide bombers across the U S, each hijacked a gasoline tanker truck at the same time, and crashed/flipped/exploded them within 10 or 15 minutes at targets such as schools, gas stations, Police stations, shopping malls, banks, sporting events, high rises, hotels etc etc. There'd be little chance of stopping it EVEN IF the Police got it on view. How do you stop a suicidal driver of a semi-tractor and trailer when they have no fear of the Police? Even if they could be diverted from a potential target, just crashing it and causing a spill and/or explosion would be devastating just about anywhere !
It is all nonsense. Show for the dough. FBI- the same folks that ignored those people taking flying lessons that they were warned about? Or maybe those that let Whitey Bulger kill people while on the FBI informant list? those people?
Off Topic....
Dear William Bratton,
You have fixed Boston PD, NYPD, and LAPD, time to come to Chicago. You are probably the only one that can do the job and who is "a cop", not "a fed".
Signed, the rest of us.
Stuff like this should not be on the blog ... This is a public forum and can be viewed by the wrong element ... very irresponsible SCC
Are you really that dense? Did you see the link? NBCChicago.com? The entire report was published on their website, a VERY public forum visited by a volume of traffic at least a magnitude above ours.
Trust us, the "wrong element" is cruising CNN, Fox, ABC, NBC, CBS, even PBS before they even happen to stumble upon this place.
Thirty years ago I pointed out that the Holiday Inn at Madison & Halsted (now named who knows what) would be the ideal platform for a terrorist. It was the highest building in the area at the time. Go up on the roof with a good sniper rifle and shut down the city with shots fired into the Kennedy, Dan Ryan and Ike X-ways. A minimal support teams of three or four well armed assistants could tie up this city for days if not weeks.
Hey assholes! Andy Martorano was one of the best exempts this department ever had. Shut the fuck up.
Commander John Martin of 023 was dumped by Leroy Martin to being a Captain in 011 just shy of having the time as a gold star. He ended up retiring from 020 as a Captain.
They are both great guys, the likes of which this department sorely needs today!
Fuck you.....
SCC you silly man/woman. Terrorists don't want to attack mass transit, (see London) buildings, (see NYC) ships, (see Mediterranean sea / Indian ocean). They want to make a grab for da mare of shitcago and the chairman of the finance committee.
Increase their security details before it's too late.
>>>>>>What if 50 suicide bombers across the U S, each hijacked a gasoline tanker truck at the same time, and crashed/flipped/exploded them within 10 or 15 minutes at targets such as schools, gas stations, Police stations, shopping malls, banks, sporting events, high rises, hotels etc etc.<<<<<
The tanker that rolled over in Niles last week drew in all HAZ-MAT FD assets from the entire NW area. O'Hare and Palwaukee both sent their special fuel fire rigs. The entire Chicago area could probably handle three or four such incidents simultaneously but only if they were geographically dispersed. IMO, bigger threat is a chem tanker, like chlorine or ammonia, both widely available, especially ammonia.
Just the Haz-mat cleanup on the Niles incident is going to be well over $2 million, now look at the $ numbers if one burns. Blow one of those next to a subway entrance where the flaming fluid seeks the lowest point and that'll be a real bad day for a lot of people.
As for patrolmen being 1st on scene at an "incident" a lot of LE bosses, not just at CPD, have made the decision that the patrolman's role is going to be gathering intel on the severity of the incident by getting blown the fuck away by the tangos when the patrol copper steps into an unknown and unevaluated meatgrinder. They accept this issue as being more palatable than having patrol carrying rifles/shotties/hard armor/etc, mainly based on percieved liability ie dollar issues. I'm definately not saying it's right, or even marginally smart, I'm just telling you what I see. It's a great litmus test on how bosses really think of their patrolmen.
-not a cop, broken down former trigger puller and former intel spook
OT real sheep dogs for the Constitution will be attending Tea Party and communist health care protests, off duty and locking up any Acorn thug, observed commiting crimes. But that would require a real effort. Sheep dog or lap dog its up to you.
This is another reason CPD members need quick access to rifles and shotguns.
In a coordinated attack the various local and Federal Swat teams might be too damn busy elsewhere to handle a Mumbai style attack.
Even if an attack is limited to one location waiting for the weapons teams to arrive could cost a whole lot of lives.
The most important thing about responding to a Mumbai like terrorist attack is the speed of response. If the terrorists are too busy taking fire from various local enforcement members and public school students the overall number of casualties should be lower.
The Holocaust Museum attack in DC shows the importance of a quick response. That idiot was taking fire from the security guards within moments of starting to fire.
I've been firing weapons for almost 30 years, prior military, and while I can fire a rifle with decent accuracy my skills with a handgun are sadly lacking. That's partially the nature of the weapon.
I'm not suggesting CPD members should regularly exit their vehicles with rifles or shotguns, but those weapons should be available.
One thing Columbine taught law enforcement is the idea of going in immediately to try to disrupt any plans.
Squad make this a 6 Mary 1 time on the boat just floundering off the pier.
8/07/2009 12:50:00 PM
Anonymous said...
i once observed a Terror Drill... it took place in Lt. Jim Carroll's office when he found out Donny had just eaten the last 7-11 nacho.
8/07/2009 12:59:00 PM
Absolutely! Jimmy has a reputation for zealously protecting his eats. Ask Epraim about Jimmy hogging the cheeseburgers at his memorial day cookout! Boffo spewed beer out his nose as Jimmy shuffled around on one sandle trying to corner the potato salad platter.
Second, your whole post is BS, Andy retired as a Commander and bought a bar in 016. He wanted to leave and didn't want to be elevated.
Do some fact checking at a minimum before you post.
8/01/2009 07:56:00 AM
Take it easy, slease wax. The blog is what we want it to be. If you don't like what you read. Stay the fuck off this site.
That's so OLD School terrorist training. Anything new they could have done like WMD, Bio, Chem, something else besides a cruise ship? Terrorist are not going to take over a Chicago cruise ship. Waisted $$$$. How about the FBI/DEA/AFT do a round up and get the gangbangers off the streets. What u think about that J-Fed?
I'm of the opinion that the next time it happens, it will be more of an Oklahoma City, Federal Building, truck bombing.
What if 50 suicide bombers across the U S, each hijacked a gasoline tanker truck at the same time, and crashed/flipped/exploded them within 10 or 15 minutes at targets such as schools, gas stations, Police stations, shopping malls, banks, sporting events, high rises, hotels etc etc.
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A truck bomb placed under the ped bridge on Cicero would cripple Midway Airport.
Hey, Doesn't The Mayor live over there?
"CULTURE OF CORRUPTION:Obama and his team of tax cheats, crooks and cronies" by Michelle Malkin has just arrived at the Chicago Public Library.
It will make its first appearance on the New York Times Bestseller List at #1 this Sunday.
It's not 1985, (Achille Lauro) and the only terrorist highjacking large ships these days are on mainly the African coast. I have not see any Pirates lately off the Chicago shore line lately. So, waisted $$$$ again...
In regards to the mother who is suing the police for shooting and killing her son in the 1900 S. Christiana...
Another choir boy who is worth more in death than in life!
Where was Mama when her son was supposedly running with a mask and a gun? Nowhere to be found but she is around to collect!
Maybe mama should have taught choir boy not to run from the police!
I say it time and time again- if you do not put yourself out there like that - this just might not happen to you!
Maybe these parents should only be able to sue in this manner - lets pro-rate it, based on the victims last school grades obtained for every A - the parents get 100,000 for B- 50,000 for C- 25,000 anything else - Ol' well! Nothing , Nada!
Let's see just how many of these parents walk away with millions?????
Why are we paying out of our wazoo's for these choir boys- when in all truthfulness- they more than likely would not have been able to earn the millions that their parents get from their deaths?
I love how some of these parents do not give a rat's a** about these kids but the minute that the Police shoot them
(in self-defense by the way)- the parents are all infront of cameras. Love your kids from the beginning and teach them right from wrong and more than likely- you will save yourself from losing your kids for $$$$.
This incident is the parents fault - that is the thought of my 11-year-old child.
She said "the mother should have been watching her child more closely, monitored his friends and he should not have had a mask and a gun". My child also states that "a person should never run from the police".
Sincerely,
A pro-police citizen in Pilsen and her child.
Why are you worried? Shortshanks has put enough cameras in Chicago so that when the attack comes, it will all be recorded. Just like all the crimes are recorded. Oh, wait. Most aren't. But the attacks will take place in high profile areas, so we WILL get to watch the footage after it's over.
Don't put your money into stopping anything, you just want to be able to record it all. And have your family and friends make some cash in the process.
We are led by fools.
Send them to lincoln park to stop the yuppies from being strong-armed to death. Im more worried about my neighbors than the love boat at shortshanks lakefront. As for me, i will continue to carry my JPX Jet Protector OC. The demo video on youtube made a believer out of me and several others.
Haven't you heard? Obama has apologized to everyone and they all love us now. No more terrorism.
No truth to the rumor that the Odyssey was chosen for its good wine list.
What are you all worrying about? Those bastards wouldn't dare while I'm in charge. I've got your backs.
What happens to the Health Care deal that the city negotiated with the union if national health care is passed. Does the city win out in the deal? You know as soon as national health care gets passed, the city is going to drop private health care and find millions of dollars in its coffers because the feds will run health care. Encourage your congressmen and our progressive liberal senators to vote no on all of these health care options.
You had me going there for a minute.
Well the FOP lost the Marathon grievance. Part of the city's argument was that D2 to D3A have specialized skills and training, and that those skills and training are not necessary to preform the functions of crowd and traffic control.
So I guess those offices in those grades don't have to preform the functions of crowd and traffic control during their normal work schedule. I mean, we wouldn't want to waste the skills and training they have.
Now answer me this, how can they not allow an FTO to work these OT gigs. They train the 9161's!
Gross is a bitch!
They will send you up the river then they will send out a lifeboat just in case you decide to conform
Don't get in the boat people, your chances of getting out alive are much better if you try to swim the high seas.
He called in a Commander (I believe former 020th DC Martarano) to 11th and State.
The guy he called in was one of the best bosses this job has seen - John Martin - who was dumped back to a Captain and 011. I believe he retired from there. He was a great boss to work for who took care of his troops.
Does anyone know how he is doing?
I hope he is still alive and enjoying his pension.
I just can't wait till "Pretty Boy" Mike shows everyone in 022 how to be the REAL Police!! Just to be able tap into that knowledge from his solid 6 yrs on the street should be great for all of us!
My guess is that 2/3 of the tact team have more street time than he does!
8/07/2009 05:08:00 PM
Hey stupid...
We are the only district with tact officers having essay too much time undervtheir belts and NOT using it properly. We lead the Area with increase in homicides and agg batts,
tact teams' spot are NOT retirement spots
our TACT teams arrests are DEAD last ....
I repeat:
we are dead last...
Now do some fucking work or leave... I hope the 2/3 tact officers ur talking about leave the teams so we can start doing real tact work..
Signed,
022 beat officer
Yeah,there are Somali prites in lake Michigan.All BS to keep the boogy man alive.
8/07/2009 11:55:00 AM
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
BAAAAAAHHHH BAAAHHHHHH. BAAAHHHHHH
That's what you should have commented you stupid sheep.
SCC
you really messed up on this one...
Intel like that regardless if other networks are talking about and not featuring should be a hush hush...
I think you should delete this posting all together or archive it in your Trash Box...
Disappointed with this one SCC,,,
"Thirty years ago I pointed out that the Holiday Inn at Madison & Halsted (now named who knows what) would be the ideal platform for a terrorist. It was the highest building in the area at the time. Go up on the roof with a good sniper rifle and shut down the city with shots fired into the Kennedy, Dan Ryan and Ike X-ways. A minimal support teams of three or four well armed assistants could tie up this city for days if not weeks.
Nah, we ISP remember that as the Quality Inn where we had numerous troopers from downstate living while training the newer expy troopers. Not to mention the one or two who used to sleep on the upper deck during the midnight shift (already fired).
But a very good point that the lakefront is not the only spot to stage a response test. We DO need to identify numerous areas of possible attack and practice, practice, practice.
Were you there? No you were not. Airhart was the first in because he volunteered to dress up as a UPS deliveryman. Unfortuneately, Salley knew his UPS guy was white & not black, so he answered the door shooting. Airhart was shot & the agents behind him fired & hit Salley several times in the chest before Salley was able to pull Airhart further into the apartment behind the cover/concealment of the island in the kitchen; Salley then held his gun to Airhart's head & stated he would finish Airhart off if anyone came close. Noone retreated, they stayed where they were behind cover in the hallway until they were able to get Airhart out. The FBI switched to 40 caliber weapons as a result of that incident-the 9 mm's just bounced off Salley's breastbone. Quit monday morning quarterbacking! Hopefully Jody will have your backs too if this sort of thing should ever happen to you & hopefully people who weren't there won't offer their "expert" opinions on what brave deeds they would have performed had they been in your place & how cowardly/criminal your actions were that day!
8/07/2009 09:33:00 AM
Everyone - sorry I had to move this to the top, but I am going to snap. I am so F_G angry right now.
To this poster - you dirty rotten lying sob. Some of us were there.
Joe was not shot upon opening the door. Joe was already inside the apartment with the rest of you having a conversation with Salley. If you recall, Joe's last words in life were "you don't want to do that" as Salley was pulling out his gun.
You lying mother fuckers were in the kitchen and YOU went around the kitchen island and stepped over Joe's body to get out. You were so far out the door that Salley had time to pull Joe's body further into the apartment and close the door with you on the other side. You cowardly waited in the stairwells until HBT came, which took hours leaving our man inside dying.
The worst tact team in CPD would never leave a man behind. Never. We go forward, we do not retreat, we shoot to kill, and we keep shooting until we kill.
You're bullshit about Salley holding the gun to Joe's head threatening to finish him off is a bold face lie. And its such a bad lie that even if it did happen, that means you didn't have the fortitude and courage to attempt to shoot Salley in the head? Joe was already shot in the head - all bets are off at this point, big shot.
And when it was over, you federal mother fuckers do not have to give a statement for a week. Instead of cooperating with our detectives that night, you made them wait for one week. You held true to your federal policy and did not have the decency nor respect for Joe A. and CPD brothers to come forward and tell the truth and give a statement.
Your story is a farce, and what's funny it confirms your ineptness. You still admit you ran. You still ran, you F_K. You ran and left a great policeman to die inside.
And one more thing with your cock story, you mean it was Joe's fault because HE volunteered to be the ups man? God knows no FBI agent would step up to the plate to actually do undercover work in any capacity. To me this means, you threw Joe to the wolves immediately. Why didn't YOU do your homework and find out what race the UPS man was before you did your op?
You just ruined my night you POS. I want to keep screaming, but I'll shut up and drink now and continue hating you and your pussy JFED friend the rest of my life.
Joe A. - I am sorry, I love you, and I miss you.
" J-Fed said...
What are you all worrying about? Those bastards wouldn't dare while I'm in charge. I've got your backs.
8/07/2009 09:40:00 PM"
Dat's sum funny chit, man!
U gots joke.
To the person that said we should not post these comments because it's an intel leak.... think again. 1) We already have terrorist cells on the job. 2) We have gang bangers and other organized crime persons on the job. 3) We have delusional psychos on this job taking doctor prescribed medication.
Our department and city are F...ed. The battle will be won by about 65 CPD officers who will die for their country when the terrorists strike. Daley and J Fed will then fire about 25 officers who also helped put shit back in check.Please remember the 14 French officers that were ultimately fired because they were considered too heavy handed even though Paris was being destroyed by Muslims three years ago.
Mike Masters... Policy Group
Who is going to go in and put a stop to these guys? SWAT is fantastic at what they do, but they are coming from a long way.
Here is a little insight: The majority of the SWAT guys are extremely good at what they do. In other words they know their stuff. It's too bad we can't say the same for the supervisors. The merit Lt is letting it run into the ground like you would not believe. People are looking to bail. Some already have. Wait up!
Hey stupid...
We are the only district with tact officers having essay too much time undervtheir belts and NOT using it properly. We lead the Area with increase in homicides and agg batts,
tact teams' spot are NOT retirement spots
our TACT teams arrests are DEAD last ....
I repeat:
we are dead last...
Now do some fucking work or leave... I hope the 2/3 tact officers ur talking about leave the teams so we can start doing real tact work..
Signed,
022 beat officer
8/07/2009 10:29:00 PM
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Put 2 tact cars down on every shift for their entire tour on fixed posts and what the fuck do you think will happen to the "numbers"?? And do you really think we have the ability to stop shootings and homicides?? You my friend have been drinking the Kool-Aid your buddy Mike has been serving up!!
Get you F'in head outta the sand you tool!!
You just ruined my night you POS. I want to keep screaming, but I'll shut up and drink now and continue hating you and your pussy JFED friend the rest of my life.
Joe A. - I am sorry, I love you, and I miss you.
8/07/2009 11:04:00 PM
You forgot one extremely important part of your accurate and truthful “rant": The only expended shells recovered on the scene were from Salley’s gun and Det. J. Airhart’s weapon. None, I say again, NONE of the expended rounds were from weapons the FBI carried! Which means one thing: The FBI never fired a shot! And they left a damn good man to die in that condo that day!
“The FBI switched to .40cal because of this incident”…. I’m waving the BULLSHIT flag on this one! The ONLY thing the FBI switched because of this incident was their panties, ’cause they sure pissed them on that day!
8/07/2009 11:04:00 PM… If we ever meet, 1st round is on me… and a “Toast” to Joe, one hell-of-a- Cop, and dammed good Det. and an all around great guy!
8/07/2009 09:33:00 AM : How do you spell “Cowardice”? I spell it F.B.I.
“Quit monday morning quarterbacking! Hopefully Jody will have your backs too if this sort of thing should ever happen to you”…
If they were CPD, they would be FIRED! Just like the cops in 003 @ 71 and Jeffery a few years ago, the P/O and the 2 PP/O’s.
And we’re not “Monday Morning Quarterbacking”. Just stating FACTS, that’s it. How the fuck do you look at yourself in the mirror without puking?
You just ruined my night you POS. I want to keep screaming, but I'll shut up and drink now and continue hating you and your pussy JFED friend the rest of my life.
Joe A. - I am sorry, I love you, and I miss you.
8/07/2009 11:04:00 PM
Talked to a former Feeb who told me, in not so many words, that they fucked up. They know what they did was wrong, but they'll never admit to it. Most, not all, are gutless pussies. But it's hard to admit what you are to others, so they talk shit instead of just shutting the fuck up.
Anonymous said...
Who is going to go in and put a stop to these guys? SWAT is fantastic at what they do, but they are coming from a long way.
Here is a little insight: The majority of the SWAT guys are extremely good at what they do. In other words they know their stuff. It's too bad we can't say the same for the supervisors. The merit Lt is letting it run into the ground like you would not believe. People are looking to bail. Some already have. Wait up!
No offense intended. I meant it when I said the SWAT guys are good at what they do. I know alot of those guys, their hearts and minds are in it for all the right reasons, and they give it their all. There was no sarcasm meant in my statement.
As to it getting bad, that is a shame to hear. We finally got a legit team, with good operators and decent equipment and now it is getting run into the ground? I hope that is not true, but nothing really surprises me on this job anymore. Stick with it, this too shall pass. We need you and wish there were a lot more of you. No BS.
"Part of the city's argument was that D2 to D3A have specialized skills and training,"
I'll agree the Bomb Techs are adequately trained as for the D Units if you call that month long joke in the academy training. It's all OJT & if you're lucky enough to hook up w/a vet who knows his shit then you'll be alright.Problem is 90% of the seasoned detectives have retired or justmark time until retirement. If not it's fly by the seat of your pants, make shit up& suspend the case & move on. When it comes to training it's personnel the CPD is the laughing stock of the World.
I work in 008, and i tell you if the shit hits the fan I hope some of the suburban coppers we border show up..! look at the Burbank guys/gals..they have all the shit you need in thier cars! any suburb actually and we are the 2nd largest city..! wtf..! talk about running shit on a wing and a prayer! fuck daley and Jfraud..and ooohhh BTW..fuck you too masters!
You forgot one extremely important part of your accurate and truthful “rant": The only expended shells recovered on the scene were from Salley’s gun and Det. J. Airhart’s weapon....................
You're right brother, I knew that, everybody knew that. I was so angry last night, and I still am 8 hours after I read that most ignorant post of lifetime.
And one more thing. you know what else got me, the ass that wrote that lie about Joe A. wrote it under the Cozzi post. I moved it up here.
I'm just besides myself today. My coffee just kicked in, I gotta go take a weis.
The only terrorist that scares me is that prick in city hall!
Navy Pier is the #1 tourist destination in Illinois. They have spent millions in fed $ on a cctv system yet they only have 1-2 foot guys assigned and a handful of off duty on the week-end. talk about a soft target. this should be a special deployment site.
Forensics has received over $300,000 for crime scene sketching tools. They and Major Accident first tried out a suyvey tool called the total station. Hardware, software and training about 50 g. All shelved because it is useless for police crime scenes, remember it's a surveying tool.
so what do they do but buy the newest and latest gimmick from private sector salemen, a thing called the Leica system. The bosses (Jody too) want them to recreate the crime scene in 3d and to have a simulation of the crime. great but what will be admissable and futhermore it's to scale. defense attorneys will have a field day discrediting the technician with the "to scale" and ultimatly sink the case by creating reasonable doubt.
Don't worry tho, they are wasting 6 of the 36 mobile unit techs on a daily basis to get it to work.
The commander solicited crime scene 360 on A&E TV to showcase the unit and technology for his 15 minutes of fame. it's not enough that he gets a pension and a full commanders salary. he wants FAME too as the little train who can... His boy, a p.o. gets a car to take home and to his summer home so he can work on this "project" and to be available as his personal valet.
the valet and Lt. in charge are just fattening up their resume, this thing ain't gonna work either. The sad thing is they know it and the commander don't. See he is the king with new clothes. Do you like what he sees....?
schools,schools,watch our schools please soft targets!
the MARINES need to remove the terrorist from the 5th floor of city hall,over by dere!
We have a terror drill everytime daley is on tv, or I open my tax bills, and see how much is going to CPS the chicago prison system, aka chicago public schools,building more schools with our money for illegals, breaking federal laws and daley just keeps on steamrolling all the tax payers!
Anonymous said...
"Part of the city's argument was that D2 to D3A have specialized skills and training,"
I'll agree the Bomb Techs are adequately trained as for the D Units if you call that month long joke in the academy training. It's all OJT & if you're lucky enough to hook up w/a vet who knows his shit then you'll be alright.Problem is 90% of the seasoned detectives have retired or justmark time until retirement. If not it's fly by the seat of your pants, make shit up& suspend the case & move on. When it comes to training it's personnel the CPD is the laughing stock of the World.
8/08/2009 02:20:00 AM
Thats like saying all the D-3 bodyguards have extra training! Oh sorry they do in fetching coffee,and milk! "More cream sir"?
After reading this I almost have to laugh. I can only say that if the terrorists attack maybe it should be the schools. Depending on which one they choose they will be in for the shock of their lives when they realize that the students have more weapons then they do. They won't get past the first level when a couple of thousand students open fire on them. Wish I could be there to see this.
8/07/2009 10:41:00 PM
FYI It was all over AM talk radio
>>>>“The FBI switched to .40cal because of this incident”…. I’m waving the BULLSHIT flag on this one! The ONLY thing the FBI switched because of this incident was their panties, ’cause they sure pissed them on that day!<<<<<
The FBI switched calibers as a result of the infamous Platt/Matix shootout in Miami, April 11, 1986 where a bunch of SA's went against two bankrobbers with a rifle and a shottie. Two Feebs got killed and a few more got shot up. Early in the fight, one of the Feebs tagged one of the shooters with a well placed 9mm round that "didn't penetrate deep enough." Well, hardware doesn't defend itself in the press or in court, so it was made out to be a hardware issue, vice the training issue that failed gunfights always are. Anyhow, FBI switched to a 9mm heavy bullet load, 147gn, which sucked at the time, but has since been improved. Then they went to 10mm Auto, which is a handcannon, but too many Feebs "couldn't handle it" so they downloaded it. Well, that eliminated the need for the large 10mm Auto case, so Winchester came out with a shortened case and the 40S&W was born. Has since been very popular in the police market. Still doesn't make a handgun into something I consider 'effective' but it's superior to the 9mm FWIW.
The real issue is that the FBI is mostly "accountants with guns," not gunfighters. That's not an indictment, that's just what it is. Nobody wants to spend the money to make gunfighters out of accountants, if they even have the required mindset in the 1st place. Not a huge problem, as long as you don't bullshit yourself and get yourself in some shit you shouldn't have been involved in. The FBI does have some hardcore pipehitting killers, they just weren't at the Airhart fight. Everybody needs to be aware of their own shortcomings and those of their partners and others they work with and be honest with their assessments. Damned few people actually step-up under stress, I would plan for zero, so do what you need to do to go home at the end of the shift and still be able to look at yourself in the mirror.
And just to throw it out there, just being a good gunfighter doesn't mean they'll be good at being the Police.
How about 11 guys with AK's walking into 6 different hotels downtown. Who is going to go in and put a stop to these guys?
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My guess is they won't be stopped until long after it matters much. Even a few minutes gives them time to kill plenty of people.
Having the SWAT team on duty a few minutes away ready to roll won't change that any.
Sad fact is that such a scenario is going to result in a lot of dead people.
Stuff like this should not be on the blog ... This is a public forum and can be viewed by the wrong element ... very irresponsible SCC
Are you really that dense? Did you see the link? NBCChicago.com? The entire report was published on their website, a VERY public forum visited by a volume of traffic at least a magnitude above ours.
Trust us, the "wrong element" is cruising CNN, Fox, ABC, NBC, CBS, even PBS before they even happen to stumble upon this place.
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Its not as if the terrorists don't have sources of information other than the Internet. My guess is there are enough sympathizers among LE agencies that anything that is useful to police officers will get to them anyway.
It only takes one guy in a department of 13,000+.
We DO need to identify numerous areas of possible attack and practice, practice, practice.
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There are way too many targets to identify them all. Just about any target is at risk from a couple guys with rifles and a willingness to die for Allah.
Most police stations would be at serious risk to 3 or 4 minimally trained riflemen with a few hand grenades. If you can't protect police stations you can't protect anything.
OTOH, it would be almost child's play to attack the city through its infrastructure such as water and sewer. Its amazing to me that it has not been tried since it is so easy and you could probably even get away. The getting away part may actually be why it has not been tried. The way these nuts are wired they don't want to get away.
Anonymous said...
If you follow what the terroists want to do it is schools, like they did in russia and kill hurt our kids! SCC agreed it should be practiced at a school type environment, but then again the news media would see it,and daley would not like it! To think people could get killed in shitcago, unthinkable as daley lets his police dept dwindle to nothing!
8/07/2009 09:46:00 AM
The Dept use to conduct large scale training exercises (SVIP)at schools that were coordinated by the Academy & Patrol. Several each year. They haven't done any in years. I think that Tobias did one during his time at the Academy (and that was when he first got there)and none since. The Academy only has less than 50 recruits, you would think that they would have time to run one.
8/07/2009 11:04:00 PM: Thank you, that was one of the most intelligent and on the money comments I have ever read on here. Due to television and the printed media, this whole country has a false view of the f.b.i.. They are the most gutless, hands off law enforcement agency probably in the world. They excel at gathering intelligence, but what good is that when they turn around and sit on it until it becomes stale. I guarantee if there is some kind of "incident" in this city you won't see them around you until it has been deemed safe for them to be.
As for the guy that thinks SCC allows too many secrets in the posts. There are no more secrets on this job, we have "caps". The enemy has infiltrated all aspects of government. They know the secrets before anyone. A community organizer is in the white house, governors are selling senate seats and mayors are enriching their family and friends including convicts. The last hope for this country is blue shirts and the military. Bottom line, do I believe that the f.b.i. has red white and blue intentions, yes. They lack in intestinal fortitude. The wolves are guarding the sheep, but thank God, we are not all sheep!!
To: 11:04- and all of the officers that were there that day: thank you for speaking for Joe. Please take care of yourselves, he is in a much better place looking over you, even though you would rather have him here. God Speed
Hey jackass - I guess its legal to lie to a fed, but a fed could lie to himself.
Was Salley superman? Are you saying the bullets bounced off his chest? All from a close distance?
Whoever you are that wrote that ridiculous tale, you have go to be one of the worst investigators of all time.
You forgot one extremely important part of your accurate and truthful “rant": The only expended shells recovered on the scene were from Salley’s gun and Det. J. Airhart’s weapon. None, I say again, NONE of the expended rounds were from weapons the FBI carried! Which means one thing: The FBI never fired a shot! And they left a damn good man to die in that condo that day!
Not true. Salley was shot at least 3 times in the chest by the FBI Squad Supervisor, one agent fired several times & missed. The 9mm rounds bounced off Salley's breast bone. YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT! Were you there? No. You either heard or made up all this bullshit about the FBI running. No amount of facts will change your opinion. Joe was one of us as well & was loved by ALL who worked with him! I know it makes you feel good about yourselves to motherfuck the FBI; but stick to the truth. Quit making shit up. Asshole.
Hey jackass - I guess its legal to lie to a fed, but a fed could lie to himself.
Was Salley superman? Are you saying the bullets bounced off his chest? All from a close distance?
Whoever you are that wrote that ridiculous tale, you have go to be one of the worst investigators of all time.
Someone find the reports of what happened that day & publish them on this blog. Then maybe some of you who WERE NOT THERE will stop making up shit about what happened. For the person who said he was there? You must have run & hid too. Also, to the person who lied about the expended shells, the FBI Supervisor shot Salley 3 times & the bullets DID bounce off his breast bone. Another agent shot & missed, & FBI Swat was not given the go ahead to shoot Salley from the rooftop due to the chidren in the apartment. PUBLISH THE REPORTS & LET'S SETTLE THIS ONCE & FOR ALL. Although I'm sure the facts won't change your mind.
The FBI switched calibers as a result of the infamous Platt/Matix shootout in Miami, April 11, 1986 where a bunch of SA's went against two bankrobbers with a rifle and a shottie. Two Feebs got killed and a few more got shot up. Early in the fight, one of the Feebs tagged one of the shooters with a well placed 9mm round that "didn't penetrate deep enough." Well, hardware doesn't defend itself in the press or in court, so it was made out to be a hardware
issue, vice the training issue that failed gunfights always are. Anyhow, FBI switched to a 9mm heavy bullet load, 147gn, which sucked at the time, but has since been improved. Then they went to 10mm Auto, which is a handcannon, but too many Feebs "couldn't handle it" so they downloaded it. Well, that eliminated the need for the large 10mm Auto case, so Winchester came out with a shortened case and the 40S&W was born. Has since been very popular in the police market. Still doesn't make a handgun into something I consider 'effective' but it's superior to the 9mm FWIW.
Very interesting, Tackleberry, but the Miami shootout, which resulted in Agents no longer being able to carry revolvers and contributed to the decision to replace the 9mm with the 40 cal, happened in 1986. The FBI switched to 40 cal in 2002.
>>>>Very interesting, Tackleberry, but the Miami shootout, which resulted in Agents no longer being able to carry revolvers and contributed to the decision to replace the 9mm with the 40 cal, happened in 1986. The FBI switched to 40 cal in 2002.<<<<<
I believe their handgun policy was similar to current CPD policy, ie new joins have to buy X, but older guns bought under previous policy are grandfathered in unless the agency is going to buy them for you. I know that FBI SA's were still using 38 Special in some fashion as late as 1999-2000 because I saw it in use at their range near Great Lakes naval base.
Where you refering to the the new camera featured on "CRIME 360" on the A&E channel,if so do not underestimate that camera.One particular episode where they deployed the camera was where there was a home ivasion type homicide where the E.T. was not successful processing the crime scene.The "CAMERA" was then deployed and was able to determine that the offender not only cleaned up the crime scene with a mop & bucket but highlighted the offnder's palm print on the wall where the offnder placed his hand while he was using the mop then when he finished,it showed his foot prints leading to the window,exiting out the window,jump up on the wrought iron fence(partial print where foot and hand was placed)then the camera showed the direction of flight because it showed the foot prints leading away from the residence.That is one hell of a piece of equipment in my book.Not sure but i think the camera uses the altrablue spectrum(for some reason it gives the operater a clearer,more precise picture)instead of the ultraviolet spectrum.That camera assisted the investigaters with determining who committed the crime.Supposed price tags: $100,000 U.S.C.Takes only a few minutes or so to set up on a tripod,swivels 360 degrees with a push of a button,a remarkable piece of equipment.
"Very interesting, Tackleberry, but the Miami shootout, which resulted in Agents no longer being able to carry revolvers and contributed to the decision to replace the 9mm with the 40 cal, happened in 1986. The FBI switched to 40 cal in 2002.
8/09/2009 02:12:00 PM"
Read the quoted narrative again.
And don't call anyone 'Tackleberry', it makes you look like a Knucklehead.
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