TASER Footage
Second City Sarge takes a closer look at two recent TASER incidents (both out of state) with attached video.
The first is the Centennial Bridge incident we covered a few days ago where the lack of positive contacts resulted in a loss of distance and a brutal attack on an officer. The second is a mentally disturbed individual who breaks free after being TASERed and escapes being placed into custody.
There is also linked commentary from PoliceOne.com on use of the TASER in police work and related Street Survival.
A good find and an excellent read by SecondCitySarge.
The first is the Centennial Bridge incident we covered a few days ago where the lack of positive contacts resulted in a loss of distance and a brutal attack on an officer. The second is a mentally disturbed individual who breaks free after being TASERed and escapes being placed into custody.
There is also linked commentary from PoliceOne.com on use of the TASER in police work and related Street Survival.
A good find and an excellent read by SecondCitySarge.
Labels: info for the police
posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
47 Comments:
GOOD ADVICE FROM A REAL PRO***
PLEASE KEEP IT IN MIND FOR YOUR
OWN SAFETY...
What took so long? Why not do a few open handed palm strikes to the head? Why not lock up the a**holes wife for violating the eavesdropping law? Just because some a**hole whips out a camera doesn't mean you can't be the police anymore.
Fuck the taser. Any circumstance that is placing myself or my partner in fear of receving great bodily harm or death will be met with multiple .45 Caliber rounds.
The kinder, gentler police get injured and killed. Deadly force will be met with deadly force. Do NOT second guess your gut instincts.
The most important thing is to go home the same way you came to work.
Thanks for the informative learning lessons. Detective Weakley is a hero.
A former desk sgt, now retired, used to keep a taser on the desk in front of him, and he wasn't shy about using it in the station. He swore by it as the best tool ever for law enforcement officers.
I noticed that some comments on the previous threads have been pretty negative towards me. All I can say is GFY! I got a degree in Greek Mythology so I really don't need to do this job. I do it because I like to look good, kick ass, and get laid! To all my tac and gang supporters, have I got a tale for you. Today I ran/skipped/walked fifteen blocks after a PERP that I saw buy a bag of crack cocaine. Before he could deposit the bag up his ass, I approached him. Even though the PERP weighed about 500 pounds, he was fast! Lucky for me I had my cool, Cubs hat on backwards, to cut down on wind resistance. (My partner tried driving after him, but he backed our CRUISER into a stop sign, then went forward, where he then crashed into a short, yellow, school bus.)
Unfortunately none of my fellow tac or gang officers were able to come to my aid because I had forgotten to turn my short stemmed radio on before the tour. Plus even though I chased him down Fullton, much like are highly intelligent dispatchers, I kept getting it confused with Fullerton. They should rename Fullton to "Ultimate Tac Warrior Drive," or "Thundercock Rd." to clear up the confusion.
When I finally caught up to the fat slug, and searched him, the bag of dope was nowhere to be found. I even pulled down his orange cross color jeans and his yellow thong to do a thorough anus search. I knew it was up his ass, but it was hard to find it, in such an obese individual.
Just then my Sgt. pulled up like a "Knight in Kevlar armor." Thinking quickly, I yelled, "He's got a Machete! Tase him!"
Knowing full well that because the shades he wears are so dark, he wouldn't be able to tell if I was lying. My Sgt. took aim, then shot the obese critter on full blast.
And guess what, my fellow Tac officers? I was right! Thanx to the electrical charge, the bag of crack cocaine shot out of the PERP'S ass a good 50 feet! Not much to tell after that. I inventoried the dope, locked away the PERP, then went to Crabby Kim's to celebrate. I really felt like I earned that pint of Samuel Adams winter cherry, dark amber, christmas mint ale. Yessir, things are looking up. Even the barmaid that maced me in the parking lot two months seems to be coming around. Anyway, enough about me. To all my fellow Tac and gang and Delta force teams, be safe.
Well the one video proves that Prayers work.....
Seriously, the officers were trying to be too gentle at first when they should have used pain compliance for the passive resisters, such as an arm bar. Then they elevate all the way to a taser..Just poorly done..
All of this Taser coverage, is OC spray no longer considered effective ?
I wish I saw these videos before taking the department e-learning program on the Use of Force. The video with the mental allowed me to think about what I would do under the same circumstances. The cops in the video relied on verbal commands, brut force, and the taser. I'm not sure if wrist locks and head stuns would have help, but I would have like to have seen them used. The mental's legal and illegal drugs probably gave him strength to overcome any force, except a limb breaking baton and a gun shot.
Pepper spray is the most effective way to disperese a crowd of jagoffs.
It is still very effective for certain applications, but I wouldn't trust it on someone who is a mental or under the influence of drugs/alcohol. It can have a delayed affect, sometimes up to 15-20 minutes with a mental.
Taser kills.
Please more ULTIMATE TAC WARRIOR said... that is very funny. Speaking as an ex tact guy looking back, that was me.
Gung HO, Gung Ho, Hut, Hut, Hut.
That all ended when Cozzi got raped by the Chicago Police Department.
Wood shampoo is more effective.
OT - Future inmate makes new laws
Aldermens' Plan: Mandatory Jail Time For Carrying Guns
September 3, 2009 7:08 AM
The Chicago City Council Police and Fire Committee today will consider an ordinance to impose mandatory jail time for those caught toting unauthorized guns.
Ald. Isaac Carothers (29th) and three other aldermen who each represent parts of the Austin neighborhood say their proposal is a response to recent West Side shootings.
http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com
/clout_st/2009/09/aldermen-to-
consider-mandatory-jail-time-for-
those-caught-carrying-unauthorized-
guns.html
Look, locking up these POS gang bangers with guns, I have no problem with.
What I do have a problem with is an Alderman who is under Federal indictment and who agreed to wear a wire for the Federal Prosecutor, (which in my eyes is an admission of guilt because why else would he wear a wire?), and is still participating in lawmaking!
Even worse, NO ONE, NOT the Mayor, NOT the City Council, NOT one single Alderman, NOT the Chicago Police Supt, NOT the Cook County States Attorney, Not the Inspector General, (when we had one), NOT the Attorney General, NOT the Dept of Justice and NOT EVEN OUR OWN UNION has called for Ike Carothers to resign from the Council OR EVEN STEP DOWN AS THE HEAD OF THE POLICE AND FIRE COMMITTEE!!!!!!!!! WTF?
I guess when your Mayor is also the co-Godfather of the Daley/Burke Crime family, expectations of doing the right thing or even saying the right thing, are just laughable gibberish!
And the media in this town are such pussies, I wouldn't hire them to write my high school newsletters!
What about the taz in 008 on 811's beat?
OT: Billy Joels biggest fan entered HQ today with it's driver in tow. Up to the 5th. Hopefully up a gold star, down a silver.
Anonymous said...
Fuck the taser. Any circumstance that is placing myself or my partner in fear of receving great bodily harm or death will be met with multiple .45 Caliber rounds.
9/03/2009 01:21:00 AM
Amen, 230 grain, .45+P, JHP; puts any taser to shame.
Anonymous said...
All of this Taser coverage, is OC spray no longer considered effective ?
9/03/2009 05:17:00 AM
Sure it is effective, on women and children, not on violent offenders intent on hurting or killing someone.
You just spray, wait 5 minutes and re-apply if necessary. And notify your supervisor. Or, put one .45 round in the chest and one in the head.
Another reason you shouldn't go out of your way to hammer off duty coppers with unnecessary bullshit tickets. Push comes to shove, all you have are each other. This might have had an entirely different ending if it had not been for the off duty copper from another jurisdiction.
How about newest idea from Carothers about mandatory gun jail time? 5 day jail sentence for first time? I can crank out more jail time for violation of misdemeanor bond for some these fools out there. Smoke and mirrors as usual.
The video showing the two officers holding the guy down for almost 3 minutes is pathetic. Come on boys, it was game time. Man up and drag him like a rag doll.
agree wit Paul Howe. You only get to carry a Taser if you know how to fight, because if doesn't work you're to have to box any way.
No matter the tool, OC, taser, pistol, asp, baton, knife, the front bumper of the squad, make sure of one thing...you go home at night safe and sound. All the tools are out there for us to use. It is our right to one up the bad guys, so do it, and then justify it on paper. Be accurate and concise. CYA. Make sure your equipment is good working condition, practice with it, try to keep yourself physically fit so when it comes time to save a life your are ready. The life you save may be your own.
The TASER, when fully charged, can pop an entire bag of microwave popcorn with three 5-second blasts. I've tried this on several occasions, never to be disappointed with finding unpopped kernels at the bottom of the bag.
And all my subordinates thought I was crazy when I told them the TASER was good for shit beyond this application.
For what it's worth...
we're ok with the taser, it's a good tool and another none lethal option at our disposal.
but we like others still have reservations about o/c... the first approved o/c was GREAT STUFF! it took all the fight out of the mutts... quickly! we had fun melting them into blubbering lumps of wax but the powers that be said "no-no" after the mutts & their advocates complained that the original stuff was "too hot" so CPD in it's typical knee-jerk reaction declared it as verboten and authorized a kinder, gentler o/c spray... fuck it then, just let us carry a bottle of Louisiana Hot Sauce... it has basically the same effect as our current issue of o/c.
(we wonder out loud why CPD doesn't have o/c launchers at least... they seem to be used to very good effect by our Southern & Western brethren.)
o.t.o.h... without fail there is always ONE FUCKING IDIOT SO CALLED P/O that discharges o/c during a dynamic hands-on event involving multiple officers trying to subdue an/some offender(s) usually in a CONFINED AREA sans ventilation... "if you can't brawl, put that fucking spray away, bite the m/fer on his ankles or step the fuck back & be a professional witness," we recall telling one officer particularly notorious for the above cited offense after a rather serious symphony of boots & fists was played in a CHA apartment...
Shit... Damn it... There we go reminiscing again about being the POLICE.
don't overly expose yourselves to harm especially when some walking cum stain pulls out a camera... more Policemen get hurt thinking they gotta "rassle" with some clown... if you have to go hands on, TEAR THAT MOTHERFUCKAH'S ASS UP until he can't resist... then handcuff... you ARE legally justified! press the issue for a trr & if/when the beef comes, write tight paper or seek out someone who "knows" for pointers. a sharp field supervisor SHOULD be on top of this (hint: e/t for photos of involved P/O's) and interview with shithead, etc. (repugnant though it may be)
stay safe, wait for back-up, guard your ass & your assets... the powers that be & the incompetent exempts are in a bad fix... they crave a blueshirt for a public sacrifice to justify their existence & deflect the light starting to shine on their bullshit...
(...two taps on the westside doorbell while doin' da slow-roll to OLD*6970 and Northside ;^)
Tac Warrior you are hilarious! The best part was the backwards Cubs hat. There are a lot of those out there!
signed,
The Tact Operator
Ultimate Tactical Warrior for mayor!!!
Ultimate Tactical Warrior:
"Even though the PERP weighed about 500 pounds, he was fast! Lucky for me I had my cool, Cubs hat on backwards, to cut down on wind resistance.".....
Funny ass shit!!
Ultimate Tactical Warrior said...
I noticed that some comments on the previous threads have been pretty negative towards me. All I can say is GFY! I got a degree in Greek Mythology so I really don't need to do this job. I do it because I like to look good, kick ass, and get laid! To all my tac and gang supporters, have I got a tale for you. Today I ran/skipped/walked fifteen blocks after a PERP that I saw buy a bag of crack cocaine. Before he could deposit the bag up his ass, I approached him. Even though the PERP weighed about 500 pounds, he was fast! Lucky for me I had my cool, Cubs hat on backwards, to cut down on wind resistance. (My partner tried driving after him, but he backed our CRUISER into a stop sign, then went forward, where he then crashed into a short, yellow, school bus.)
Unfortunately none of my fellow tac or gang officers were able to come to my aid because I had forgotten to turn my short stemmed radio on before the tour. Plus even though I chased him down Fullton, much like are highly intelligent dispatchers, I kept getting it confused with Fullerton. They should rename Fullton to "Ultimate Tac Warrior Drive," or "Thundercock Rd." to clear up the confusion.
When I finally caught up to the fat slug, and searched him, the bag of dope was nowhere to be found. I even pulled down his orange cross color jeans and his yellow thong to do a thorough anus search. I knew it was up his ass, but it was hard to find it, in such an obese individual.
Just then my Sgt. pulled up like a "Knight in Kevlar armor." Thinking quickly, I yelled, "He's got a Machete! Tase him!"
Knowing full well that because the shades he wears are so dark, he wouldn't be able to tell if I was lying. My Sgt. took aim, then shot the obese critter on full blast.
And guess what, my fellow Tac officers? I was right! Thanx to the electrical charge, the bag of crack cocaine shot out of the PERP'S ass a good 50 feet! Not much to tell after that. I inventoried the dope, locked away the PERP, then went to Crabby Kim's to celebrate. I really felt like I earned that pint of Samuel Adams winter cherry, dark amber, christmas mint ale. Yessir, things are looking up. Even the barmaid that maced me in the parking lot two months seems to be coming around. Anyway, enough about me. To all my fellow Tac and gang and Delta force teams, be safe.
9/03/2009 02:12:00 AM
Well done Ulti, if I may be so informal as to call you Ulti. Now if past experience is any guide, and it frequently is, you better keep the 24 hour phone number of Tom Needham or Joe Roddy handy for use when you get in that fatal DUI accident at 300am going 86mph on a city street and strike a car full of recent immigrants out looking for jobs.
Also, have your diabetes kit and a bottle of mouthwash readily available.
That's all, I have to go now to the Brigade Quartermasters web site to order some more cool new undercover clothes made by 5.11
Mr. Prayer was an active resistor and clearly resisting arrest. Open slaps to the face and head are justifiable. He was in no way a passive resistor.
A class of five started the academy, we are set now!
Dear UTW,
Your comments are even funnier the second time I read them.
The second video is the saddest thing I have ever saw. It is so pathetic that I thought it was from Reno 911 or a bullshit video. Why talk when head stuns can be repeatedly occuring.
Tactical warrior + Apple Pucker =
Hilarity.
Keep this shit coming.
Anonymous said...
What about the taz in 008 on 811's beat?
9/03/2009 08:37:00 AM
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Well Mr/Ms Reporter, there was a tazing incident in 008.
Anonymous said...
The video showing the two officers holding the guy down for almost 3 minutes is pathetic. Come on boys, it was game time. Man up and drag him like a rag doll.
9/03/2009 11:56:00 AM
You notice how they held him and allowed him to get his second wind back. You have to end that shit quickly, if asshole is on the ground struggling the time for debate and reasoning and "you are under arrest" shit is over. Act and act fast to get control over him. If you can't get the handcuffs on, go for leg shackles or call for backup.
They should have tasered that guy first, not last.
Holy Fuck.....box chevy phantom???? is it possible for you to be as funny as tac warrior?? Now that's good shit!! i mean that's why people log on to this shit and for the katey kakes icon!! please katey.....we miss you
And guess what, my fellow Tac officers? I was right! Thanx to the electrical charge, the bag of crack cocaine shot out of the PERP'S ass a good 50 feet! Not much to tell after that. I inventoried the dope, locked away the PERP, then went to Crabby Kim's to celebrate. I really felt like I earned that pint of Samuel Adams winter cherry, dark amber, christmas mint ale.
You SURE you dont work in 019? Sounds like a "TRUE WAR STORY" from the Depths of the Gang Office.
we recall telling one officer particularly notorious for the above cited offense after a rather serious symphony of boots & fists was played in a CHA apartment...
Hey....I use 2 million SHU and even THAT little can of fire doesnt work sometimes....but the 2nd blast does.The 500,000 SHU they issue CPD is WORTHLESS. I used it (demo'd it) in Lathrop and the shit doesnt work at all. 2 mil may cost you a buck or two more but the end result is a screaming puking slobbering shit head on the ground in cuffs with NO fight left in him at ALL. And if that was ME you were talking about.....ooops my bad.....hahaha.
Anonymous said...
A class of five started the academy, we are set now!
9/03/2009 07:44:00 PM
its only 3. 2 didnt pass the power test
Anonymous said...
What about the taz in 008 on 811's beat?
9/03/2009 08:37:00 AM
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Well Mr/Ms Reporter, there was a tazing incident in 008.
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There was two tazings on a shots fired call... Both offenders were tazed and a shot gun recovered. Glad there are more police around the area!
Old news.
I agree with "phuck the Taser."
There are numerous reports from all over about deaths as a result of Taser use and problems with its effectiveness. Of course the manufacturers will swear by it. What else is new.
I see too many officers think it's the magic pill (and yes, there were times in my day -- when we used mace and Kel-lights -- that mace didn't work -- OC spray is just the postman's version of mace) and it isn't. Also have seen it used in situations that didn't warrant it.
I think Tasers have a legitimate place as a "less lethal" weapon but there is too much unresolved about their use. I can't really support Taser use except as a next to last resort.
Ah, yes, we old farts also had those thingies called batons........................
Hmmmm...
Batons work very well, the only problem is you have to make your own lanyard so it doesn't "get away" from you. Now, if you want to talk business then we should be allowed to carry the old 4 layer leather saps or better yet the short wooden club (truncheon)London Metropolitan carries.
For our money, the best impact tool would be the Sjambok... essentially an approx. 3ft long cross between a whip and a rattan cane. Your uncooperative subject/assailant will go from a wearing a winter suit of clothes & talking mega-shit to laying on the cold pavement in shredded skivvies and the appropriate posture of humble genuflection and heartfelt regret for the stinkin' thinkin' that led to his disrobement... We should have that but the powers that be don't want the Police to be able to defend themselves too hard.
And while we're at it... we've always had a problem with the fact that a lawyer (Corp. Counsel) has final say so in what we can do to keep OUR hide intact in dynamic situations. (Got yelled at in the Academy a few times ..."cut that shit out, it ain't in the curriculum, they'll fire your ass for using those techniques..." Kind of an ongoing thing we'd imagine for those who've had prior H2H training before entering the academy) Of course we know Corp. Counsel sure as hell wasn't going to be engaging multiple goblins in a pissy/shitty stairwell between the 13th & 14th floors. We also knew "control tactics" was a bit of a misnomer & slanted toward people coming on the job who NEVER fought a real fight in their lives. We hold that Policemen should be allowed to use choke/submission holds and at least some of the mid level joint crushing and limb manipulation/breaking techniques that are out there...
Yes, the Police are SUPPOSED to be dangerous!
P.S. good one lathrop one! all sins forgiven ;^) we've crossed paths with you during our rounds of garden spots like the village, the hornets & rockwell... though we're quite sure you were not THAT overly cheerful with the o/c! Two taps on the West Side doorbell as we do da slo' roll...
Stay safe everyone... Please
They fall to ball.
Shoot them all and let God sort 'em out!! End of story!!
Anonymous said...
Pepper spray is the most effective way to disperese a crowd of jagoffs.
You aint lyin' Brother, you aint lyin.hehehe
just for a minute, consider that every tazor use deemed cause of death by M.E. in Chicago results in a Sgt/Cpd (and no one above that rank required to carry or use this lethal weapon)being sued and subject to criminal charges if you hold the trigger a few seconds too long or repeated tazing when the first use doesn't stop the mental/drugged/pissed off parolee. Then you should also know that the one and only Tazer International Company based in Arizona, got a federal ruling in 2007,that clears them of civil damages if the tazer was in good working condition at the time of Sgt/Cpd use. And the city can pretty much wash its hands of multimillions in damages if the electronic chips recording usage show that the Sgt held the trigger for more than 5 seconds at a time or used several times in a row. The Cr# investigation will also hang the unclouted Sgt. So, why in the face of major lawsuits and the exempts above the Sgts refusing to use these lethal weapons do only Chicago police Sgts after several years of useage still get stuck between the rock and the hard place. Wake up Sgts the tazer use can jam you up for life. Right now the only thing I will shoot someone with is my gun and only when lethal force is needed. I am not afraid, I am just not a sheep with stripes.
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