RDO Swap
This is a good rumor and we've heard it discussed in a couple of different forums. Does this sound like a good idea? We're curious.
- RDO swapping has been approved between the City and Department to settle all FLSA suits.
- An officer denied time off (Comp Time only) can swap the day with another officer who is RDO on the day in question. Officers on furlough get to swap days only they are regularly scheduled to be RDO, not any day during their furlough.
- This is NOT an overtime opportunity. No time-and-one-half. It's a straight up trade so seniority will not come into play at all as it's an arrangement between two officers of the same rank. Swaps can only be done within the unit of assignment and watch.
- Once the swap is done, the officer that worked their day off has 28 days (we assume this covers the overtime cycle) to take the missed day off. You cannot save it up for extending a weekend or furlough or whatever, but if it happens to land within the 28 day cycle that way, that's your good luck.
We might have a detail or two wrong, but it seems like a decent tool to give people time off who need the day. Opinions?
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
90 Comments:
why cant we just get the day off that we request. its our time. city should staff up to meet operational needs.
Sounds great on paper but you can be sure the Department will fuck it up in the beginning or try to fuck PO's on their paycheck (see mandatory furlough days). Beware of the Dogs!!!
This sounds like an opportunity for guys to make a couple extra bucks! Like swapping a day off last minute with some poor goof that forgot it was his wedding anniversary. "Yeah, Joe, no problem. I'll work tomorrow for ya and you take my first day back after my weekend...for fifty bucks".
I definitely see supplemental income potential with this gig - but nowhere near the returns I've reaped selling/exchanging summer furlough segments with desperate coppers over the years.
Oh yeah, I forgot...
Can the City and the Department arrange a "Supervisor Swap", too?
Where us peons can, by majority, vote certain Bossholes "off the island", so to speak, in exchange for more desirable specimens?
It'd work wonders towards this whole "morale" issue. Ahhh, but what do I know?
This sounds like a decent remedy to losing the occasional three day weekend. It would allow us to GET a three day weekend when we need one, without burning nine hours, plus we get to do a friend a favor.
017 THE DISTRICT CHRISTMAS PARTY IN 017 IS A BIT SHORT IN ATTENDANCE THIS YEAR, WONDER WHY!! WE HERE THERE IS LESS THAN 85 TICKETS SOLD AND MAYBE LESS THAN 70 PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TOO SHOW UP FOR THE PARTY, THATS BECAUSE THE TACT TEAMS WERE STRONG-ARMED TOO PURCHASE TICKETS OR ELSE!! MEALER STRIKES AGAIN WITH HIS CHARMING PERSONALITY.. THEY DON'T HAVE ANY P.O.'S COMIMG INTO 017 TO WORK THE 3RD WATCH ON THE NIGHT OF THE PARTY, SAD THAT THE MORAL IS SO LOW IN THE DISTRICT.. DON'T HAVE TOO WORRY ABOUT SWITCHING RDO'S FOR THIS DISTRICT CHRISTMAS PARTY.. PLEASE SEND HELP TOO OUR DISTRICT!
I can see my w/c absolutely not going for this...he's bad enough when you want to take time due, like he's paying for it. Think of how screwed up you could get things if you did this with like 7 people over a few weeks time. They think you're showing up on a day, and you're nowhere to be found...the timekeepers are gonna love it too. More info is needed on this one.
The swap sounds like a win-win situation to me.
Lest we forget, it was forty years ago this morning that our guys assigned to the office of then Cook Co. State's Attorney Ed Hanrahan were fired upon by the occupants of the flat at 2337 W. Monroe St. in a "predawn raid" on the cop-killing Black Panthers.
Burn in Hell, Hampton and Clark. To bad that (1st Dist. U.S. Congressman) Bobby Rush missed a "sleepover" that morning.
Less than three weeks earlier, Black Panther Spurgeon "Jake" Winters shot and killed Officers John Gilhooly (002) and Frank Rappaport (003) near 58th and Calumet. Winters was shot and killed by other responding police.
A shoutout to my modest and nameless friend, a very brave black officer who had infiltrated the Panthers at great personal peril until that fateful night. He is now enjoying the good life with his family in Roscoe Village. Lunch is on me at R.J. Grunts before Christmas, my BLUE brother. Perhaps a beer or three.
Do not like. Should be time and one half overtime opportunity.
Great idea. Why does the officer working on his day off have restrictions? Those are his 8 hrs to use whenever he wants, or put in the time-due bank.
Sounds like a great concept, but who keeps track of all the trading and swapping. Who keeps the books and who cross checks and verifies everything?
Seems like just another opportunity for 42 x-short to NOT fully man the dept, meaning less manpower and dangerous working conditions.
Screw Daley. Why help him out when he f*cks over Police & Fire all the time?
works great in the dept i work in. Benifts everyone at some point.
Hennessey Williams (Ghetto Playwright) just finished selling a lose cigarette and he jingled the change in his pocket.
He sat upon his milk-crate and thought back to his younger days. Full of nostalgia he turned to his friend Summer Teeth Watkins and stated, " I works swap once. Swaps was goot."
Im not surprised by this idea.When i worked at UIC(As a civilian telephone operator)we were allowed to do this.As long it was documented on paper(as to avoid any misunderstandings later)it sounds like a good idea.
It sucks.... Reason being is that te City has already lost this lawsuit in court. Although the City is appealing it (I believe) eventually the hammer is going to drop like it has elsewhere (one place was in Ohio and I forget the other). Those Cities cannot deny time due and must hire back off duty officers at the OT rate of pay. The 5th floor is brainstorming to figure out a way to save the City money and look like they are doing us a favor before their tome runs out.
I give this a big fat
"BLOW ME DALEY!"
Boy oh boy.......they FINALLY got it right for a change. The most important thing is that the watch is covered, that nobody has to risk life and limb working 10-99. I understand it would be an accounting nightmare to "swap" or "transfer" time-due, so for the guys on the watch who need a particular day off, let's do an in-house day off switch. God never saw fit to bless my wife and I with children but if my RDO was Christmas Day or one of my co-workers kids baptism or christening, I'd switch days off with them in a minute.
I know a lot of guys are gonna call me a sell-out or a "company man" and, yes...I believe we should be up to full strength manpower-wise so anyone can just take TD, personal day or BFD. I also remember when I was new on the job and had little or no TD accrued . Even if this helps only a few guys or gals every year, I think it's worth it.
I would like to commend whomever it was that thought this up. The CFD has been doing this for years. But you can bet it was a COP who proposed this so you can leave out J-Fed, Brust, Masters and the rest of the posers.
They never WERE and never WILL BE the police.
The fire dept. has done this for years. I am not sure what they call it though.
its ok, but you should be able to take any day off if you give proper notice. An officer should then be given the right to work that day like special for extra pay. This should apply to all of our sporting venues etc..Start billing them like they bill the taste.
Just hire enough freakin cops all ready and stop doing the Shortshanks Shuffle!!! Doesn't anyone see this for what it is? It's redeployment within the district. What's difference between this and pulling officers from one district to flood another? The bottom line is WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH COPS! You are doing exactly what Daley wants! More with less! You want me to give up my weekend to cover for someone else? Fine, I would be happy to do that as a favor for a fellow officer. Say for someone who was short time on the books and really needed the day. But to save the city money because they refuse to hire?!?! Time and a half me there Stubby! Whoever likes this idea should just go and take sixteen days off without pay.
So we dance for them to fix their problem. We are not firemen, who sleep when we come to work. Just hire more Police.
Who cares? Is it going to pay us more money? No. Does it benefit the city more then us? Yes. So who cares?
Blogger NorthSide said...
The swap sounds like a win-win situation to me.
Lest we forget, it was forty years ago this morning that our guys assigned to the office of then Cook Co. State's Attorney Ed Hanrahan were fired upon by the occupants of the flat at 2337 W. Monroe St. in a "predawn raid" on the cop-killing Black Panthers.
Burn in Hell, Hampton and Clark. To bad that (1st Dist. U.S. Congressman) Bobby Rush missed a "sleepover" that morning.
Less than three weeks earlier, Black Panther Spurgeon "Jake" Winters shot and killed Officers John Gilhooly (002) and Frank Rappaport (003) near 58th and Calumet. Winters was shot and killed by other responding police.
A shoutout to my modest and nameless friend, a very brave black officer who had infiltrated the Panthers at great personal peril until that fateful night. He is now enjoying the good life with his family in Roscoe Village. Lunch is on me at R.J. Grunts before Christmas, my BLUE brother. Perhaps a beer or three.
12/04/2009 01:03:00 AM
Ever wonder why Rush missed, cause he was the snitch.
no o.t. no way. fuck them. give us our time off instead.
No, don't do it.
Fuck them, our position should be OT. You have to play hardball with this cocksucker. Anything else is interpreted as weakness.
Do nothing to help them until we see how they want to handle our pension funding problem. If they help our pension, we can help them.
To the weak kneed out there.....So what! You might have to tell the wife you can't go to her asshole sister's kid's b-day party. Grow a pair.
stupid
Sounds great until the drunks and gamblers don't show up when it is their turn to work for someone. Who is AWOP then?
How about this novel concept: I take off when I need to using my own earned time that I always have on the books! Wow! Now isn't that revolutionary?
In 25 years, I can only remember once, years ago, when I was denied taking a day off and then it was a holiday on short notice.
In just a few years I will be gone from all this. All that will matter is that pension check direct deposited once a month. And the fishing and the motorcycle riding and if I can still get it up once in a while.
I just can't get too excited by anything police related.
stay safe out there.
Don't do anything to get them off the hook for nothing in return. This is too good of a bargaining chip to waste.
Hennessey Williams (Ghetto Playwright) just finished selling a lose cigarette and he jingled the change in his pocket.
He sat upon his milk-crate and thought back to his younger days. Full of nostalgia he turned to his friend Summer Teeth Watkins and stated, " I works swap once. Swaps was goot."
12/04/2009 02:09:00 AM
THAT was goot. You have a gift my friend...you have a gift.
---not a cop
Looks like the FOP did it tooo us again.are the worthless or what.is thier anything they do,besides spending our money on ipods and gps for each other with our money.
The CFD has a policy in which one officer can work for another. The deal is the officer has to honor his agreement and work for the other officer to pay him/her back.
I worked in a suburb where we could work for another officer.
It worked pretty good.
Everybody was on their honor.
In the CPD, I see some downfalls.
When the ower decides he is not going to payback the owee, and work for him/her, what happens?
Is the city responsible?
FOP issue?
Long way to be ironed out.
the 017 district xmas party used to be one of the largest in the city with around 300 in attendance every year.... this is what happens when the d/c has the personality of a shoelace and you treat people like the gum on the bottom of your shoe---- but we are still the FIGHTIN 017TH no matter who the boss is and we haven't lost a fight yet......
Man you people just see the flash of an extremely tiny amount of cash and you forget the rules of the game you're in don't you?
This is a contract tactic being pulled exactly when Daley wants it pulled: WHILE THE ARBITER IS REVIEWING THE BRIEFS.
Daley WANTS all the shortsighted greedy imps on this job to just jump at this shit which he'll then use as a bargaining tool against us at the same time he's using it to NEVER hire enough police officers and violate labor laws all at the same time.
Don't be a fucking idiot thinking all the world is rosey because you can actually WORK another fucking day a month and merely get paid to do it, all so Daley can manipulate it in the press to his favor, throw it on the arbiter's lap and cry how everyone now has a chance to make more money, and violate labor laws in the process because a few stupid cops thought working for straight pay for an extra day a month was the road to the golden palace of wisdom.
Also consider what accepting Daley's bullshit bait will do to every other municipality who's been fucking over their employees as well. A couple idiots agree to this and it will be used against anyone who DOESN'T agree with the couple few idiots who wanted another day's work for another day's pay.
You want one more day of straight pay for work? Go work CTA.
Yeah, I just thought of this one as well, Daley will use this to his favor because a few morons sign on to it, and then we'll all get fucked on it when Daley has it set up so the W/C has final say so over who can do this.
Don't be a fucking idiot, this will NEVER be set up to benefit anyone but Daley, and fuck US in the ass at arbitration.
Don't fucking do it.
I thought a judge already ruled the city would no longer be able to claim manpower shortage for denying time due. The same judge also ruled that the city would have to hire back officers at time and a half to replace the P.O requesting the time due. This sounds like another slick move by the city to avoid paying overtime to an officer for coming in on their off day to cover the shortage
The comment that we should be able to use our comp time as we please is exactly correct. We earner the comp time and what good is it if we cant use it when we want to, other than banking it. Now if we were able to cash in a certain amount each year like the sergeants it might make it more palatable. I don't take a lot of time off and have accrued a nice sum of comp time and I would like the option to sell a little of it back, even just 100 hours a year would be nice.
Back in the 70's it was often done on an informal basis (pre FOP) this was with the W/C's approval. It was always approved even though this/my, W/C was a very conservative guy. In fact during holidays the W/C would decree that each officer got his chance to either have Christmas or Eve, or New Years Eve off, but not both. He would ask but not demand, if by chance you had two of the dates off RDO, that you change one of the dates off so another officer could get a desired date off. This applied to both workers and dogs alike. The single guys and the married w/kids guys would swap because, you see back then we cared about each other. Or at least more than is noticed today. Now a swapping officer wants $$$ for a SWAP,kiss my ass at that. Swapping all stopped with FOP and their draconian seniority rules.
Sometimes people can play nice together while at work.
Speaking to anonymous, 12:26am, did you ever contemplate in your pea sized brain, that this department might be better if supervisors were allowed to pick their workers and swap people like you for individuals with a work ethic.....no I didn't think so. You were the kid picked last for everything in school. Why because, well, you haven't a clue. Also, because I don't want to waste your time and I did mention you have a pea sized brain--draconian means overly harsh. Oh! did I tell you? Have a nice Holiday, in your basement by yourself!
Take a look at the Thousands of Hours on the Books these Stingy W/Cs have. All Bankable come Retirement Time. Bite The Hand That Feeds You Sh** !!
We did this at my old department. It worked great. The administration had nothing to do with it. You just counted as a body. The difference was he had to work for you on his RDO. Not sure if ours will work this way or not, but regardless it's a nice tool for someone that has no time to burn, or to help alleviate man power shortages. My only fear is the city will try to use this option more often than letting us burn a slip.
My department does this. It's not much of a problem, but then, we only have 14 guys per watch....
Anonymous said...
017 THE DISTRICT CHRISTMAS PARTY IN 017 IS A BIT SHORT IN ATTENDANCE THIS YEAR, WONDER WHY!! WE HERE THERE IS LESS THAN 85 TICKETS SOLD AND MAYBE LESS THAN 70 PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TOO SHOW UP FOR THE PARTY, THATS BECAUSE THE TACT TEAMS WERE STRONG-ARMED TOO PURCHASE TICKETS OR ELSE!! MEALER STRIKES AGAIN WITH HIS CHARMING PERSONALITY.. THEY DON'T HAVE ANY P.O.'S COMIMG INTO 017 TO WORK THE 3RD WATCH ON THE NIGHT OF THE PARTY, SAD THAT THE MORAL IS SO LOW IN THE DISTRICT.. DON'T HAVE TOO WORRY ABOUT SWITCHING RDO'S FOR THIS DISTRICT CHRISTMAS PARTY.. PLEASE SEND HELP TOO OUR DISTRICT!
12/04/2009 12:38:00 AM
Dude! Please go to the Sylvan Learning center and get help.
The fire dept. has had something similiar for years. As a sgt., I suggested to the FOP units reps they try and get this but it fell on deaf ears. I've been retired a while now, but, on reading the posts here, somethings never change. "You guys would rather curse the darkness, then light a candle".
The fire dept. has done this for years. I am not sure what they call it though.
12/04/2009 03:29:00 AM
Trade day/payback day. Best thing. We can even trade half shifts.
Sounds good but it should be like this: All comp time should be honored and any must fill vacancies should be filled via OT.
The smart guys caught the real reason for this, not enough man power!
They came up with this nonsense to keep the rank and file happy. "Now maybe I can get a day off that I need".
Daley is whittling the numbers in the Department down to 7500. HIS number is 7500 P.O.s. That is the number HE feels will keep the citizens and the Officers on the street safe.
So what? People are getting better? Criminals aren't ambushing Police Officers? Crime has not become more violent? Terrorism is not an issue in urban America? Daley is off his rocker on this one. Get him out now.
7500 P.O.s, down from 13,500. This is insanity.
This is a system ripe for abuse.
What if I'm a PO that nobody likes? Then I can't take off time due because I can't find someone to swap?
What if I need Friday off at the last minute and there's no one who gives up a Saturday?
What if I want to take off Wednesday? Any trades?
The bottom line is that this gives the city an excuse to deny time due and shift scheduling responsibilities from the overpaid supervisor onto the underpaid PO.
Bad news if its true.
sounds like they are trying to come up with a solution for a battle that has already been lost in a court. nice try tho.....fuck you Daley. Pay me overtime
12/04/2009 02:23:00 AM
The Milwaukee PD has been doing this successfully for years.
Terrible! Terrible! Terrible idea!
They're going to lose their appeal, while bail them out?
OT only!
Fuck them, tell him to get the $$$ for us from his buddy in the White House....they have it for everyone else. Don't be fuckin chumps and agree to shit like this.
The big problem that I see is that if you can not find someone to swap with for the day off the WC will deny your request for the day off using comp/pd/bd stating there is an agreement with the city in the swap program and if you can not find someone then you are shit out of luck.
They are putting it on the PO's to do the work for the day off and when they can not find someone to switch with the department is going to say oh well, we gave you a program to address that and it is not our fault that you can not find someone to work for you
This is a tough call. On the one hand, it would be nice to save some comp time. On the other hand, a boss will simply deny time and tell us to swap with someone.
like the Fire Department figured this out years ago.. All that's required is a warm body to cover your spot who is in the same job description. Very adult concept and you don't have to find a bunch of bosses to approve it either!! Very adult working atmosphere over there... "Hey anyone see my DS?!!
Hey thats my idea. Seriously. This works. We did it in the suburbs pd, where we often did not have overtime and it appears that the city/cpd is cutting back on that. If it is about man power well than here it is.
If you can switch than you don't have to burn your OT. This is simply another option. Especially for those with very little time.
Oak Lawn PD has something similar to this. They are able to "even trade" with other officers and they are also able to work an RDO in exchange for a day off at another time.
stop the bullshit and just hire more police. this wont happen until the citizens demand it. shortshanks should be concerned about public safety..not just give it lip service. citizens should be concerned about public safety over silly festivals and fireworks.
***************HEY**********
I know a lot of guys are gonna call me a sell-out or a "company man" and, yes...
Reasonable people with reasonable ideas is not being a sell out.
Who cares about what some people think. This idea works and you know what, my kids are now doing there own thing and if a copper wanted to be with his family than I would swap with him immediately.
To all those, again the 3% who yell and complain. Where did your compassion go, or you never had any.....
Bravo Zulu......Mr. Sell out. I guess I am a sell out tooooooo
Sounds like a timekeeping nightmare.
Worked years ago without a problem! 70s and 80s it was common. Balanced out at the end of the period usually. Lot of times you worked a weekend day to get off during the week.
Why can't I use the time I already accrued? I have about five hundred hours on the books. I just had two baby girls born into this cespool two months ago. I want to take time off to spend with my wife and kids and time is always denied.
This idea serves the city best and we as cops will dance to their tune. Just hire more officers.
How much of our money and time was wasted on this? Wow I can trade a day off with a co-worker. It doesn't cost the city a thing. The officers should be paid time and half to fill the assignments like they do in NY. In the end we still lose.
I'll give you 2 of my fridays for 2 of you tuesdays if you swap a thursday for superbowl. I will also include a $10 strip card just because we are friends.
So we dance for them to fix their problem. We are not firemen, who sleep when we come to work. Just hire more Police.
12/04/2009 05:55:00 AM
I'VE BEEN PLAYING FIREMAN ALL THIS TIME?????
ABSOLUTELY NOT!
The court ruled if we earn time off, the city has to give us time off if we give them enough notice to find someone to replace us (if they want to replace us). the replacement gets time and a half if it is his day off. we are already saving the city big bucks with the shortage in manpower. the city is not following the court order by denying our time off. remember when the state passed the law that complaints against police officers must be accompanied by a signed affidavit? the city did not follow this state law for almost a year or more. why is it the city can disobey laws and court orders when it comes to the police.
BY NO MEANS should we agree to this. we are not dogs that this city administration (i.e. daley) can crap on all the time.
I'M sick of this crap. You earn time due. You get to use it when you want to. End of story. If they deny us time due, we should deny them the (financial raising) activity they so much crave.
You can only swap once a month and it can't be short notice.
Received the FOP update in my email. check the site.
I think this is a good idea, but what happens when the day you want off from the switcharoo is closed, then what??
On another note, I heard something interesting--rumor is the city likes the 4-2, because people use more time due, and don't like the 6-3 because people don't use hardly any time due. Anyone? Anyone?
OK, So what happens when there is a swap and the officer gets IOD....can't swap back for maybe weeks - what happens then? Will the city stand by the swap? Or, will they say it was the officer's day off? I would say that they would have to honor the IOD, but I'm sure they would try to find a loophole. I came from a fire family and it worked there. But, knowing how coppers are, I'm sure there would be all kinds of awkward accounting. The timekeeper has problems enough adding and subtracting now - please don't tax her any more!!!
Hey 12/04/2009 @ 824 a.m. -
You're obviously a merit supervisor. It's called sarcasm and silliness. Or did your "pea-sized brain" miss that obvious bit of information. I'll bet I could run circles around you (work ethic-wise) on a BAD day, fool...IF I CHOSE TO DO SO.
Take your pathetic, unable-to-comprehend-the-obvious, knee jerk-reacting, grammatically-incorrect responses down to YOUR basement and mull them over. And then get back to me when you're able to put together a point of argument that actually makes a bit of sense.
P.S. - Happy Holidays to you and yours...loser
7:32....Have some some balls! Dig in and use no time due, ever!
Reject this shit idea! Fuck them! They lost already, don't fix the problem for them!
Signed, Old Guy who's been bringing sweetness, joy, and light to the downtrodden, in-bred, motherfuckers who call this city home for 26 fucking years!
OT, hire cops, or nothing!
09:49 a:m Dude just have ur own party w/o ur illustrious leader! Problem solved!!!!! or come to ours. 012 dist 19 dec 1600-???
we have some social butterflies that would love to swap for any friday or saturday off. you dont want a silly thing like a job to get into the way of your social life. if its that important...use a p day/bfd/comp time. swap my ass.
Anonymous said...
017 THE DISTRICT CHRISTMAS PARTY IN 017 IS A BIT SHORT IN ATTENDANCE THIS YEAR, WONDER WHY!! WE HERE THERE IS LESS THAN 85 TICKETS SOLD AND MAYBE LESS THAN 70 PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TOO SHOW UP FOR THE PARTY, THATS BECAUSE THE TACT TEAMS WERE STRONG-ARMED TOO PURCHASE TICKETS OR ELSE!! MEALER STRIKES AGAIN WITH HIS CHARMING PERSONALITY.. THEY DON'T HAVE ANY P.O.'S COMIMG INTO 017 TO WORK THE 3RD WATCH ON THE NIGHT OF THE PARTY, SAD THAT THE MORAL IS SO LOW IN THE DISTRICT.. DON'T HAVE TOO WORRY ABOUT SWITCHING RDO'S FOR THIS DISTRICT CHRISTMAS PARTY.. PLEASE SEND HELP TOO OUR DISTRICT!
12/04/2009 12:38:00 AM
yo gaba gaba
I used to get a 12 pak to cover for a fellow PO
Old timer here and a message to the younger and mid career officers: It would be nice to help out those who need a day and all BUT we would be shooting ourselves in the foot if we agree to this for straight pay.
We already screwed ourselves by letting the CTA special be paid at straight time. Don't remember when that happened cause I don't work special but hell I thought our union required special employment at time and a half.
If we do this swap thing at straight time we are sending a clear message to the city that our contract means nothing, just waive a day of straight pay at us and we will stampede our rights away.
Right now it sounds all nice to help out a fellow officer so they can take off but the city is not making a dent in the lack of police that way, its one for one.
If we gave up our rights to time and a half for CTA special and we do it with this swap proposal, what the city is shooting for is to get it set in stone that WE WILL FILL IN ON OUR DAYS OFF FOR THE COPS THE CITY WON'T HIRE.
I know this won't stop anybody from selling out. It it would be a cold day in hell when we stick together and say NO but we need to demand the city pay us what so many officers before us fought for.
Fuck what the firemen are doing who cares? We are not firemen or the fire department.
In the long run this is going to back fire on the city: each swap affords us the opportunity to bank the elective time they refuse.
13 holidays a year, Comp time earned, BFD, Pdays are all sellable and bankable at some point. It will cost the city more in the long run.
Ideally; the city would benefit by allowing us to exhaust our elective time instead of buying it back at a higher rate.
Anonymous said...
The fire dept. has done this for years. I am not sure what they call it though.
12/04/2009 03:29:00 AM
Trade day/payback day. Best thing. We can even trade half shifts.
12/04/2009 10:19:00 AM
Great. I'll trade a day in my squad car for one day on a fire truck. I always wanted to be a fireman.
One word....NO!
Just burn a slip if you want a day off. I you have trouble burning a day get the fuck out of your district. I have never had a problem taking a day off weather it is a week away or tomorrow. Shit I can call in and get time due no problem. Come to 011 and enjoy time off
On another note, I heard something interesting--rumor is the city likes the 4-2, because people use more time due, and don't like the 6-3 because people don't use hardly any time due. Anyone? Anyone?
12/04/2009 07:32:00 PM
DING - DING - DING !!!!!!
We have another winner! And that, my friends, was what the year long trial Districts experiment was all about. You want some cheese my little lab rats?
There is no choice in this matter. This is an arbitrator's ruling. Read the FOP updates, the award is there. As I read this award, the only issue that the arbitrator is addressing is for FSLA time. I doubt if this will apply to any other time that you would have on the books. So if you are one of the few who has FSLA time on the books then you will likely be able to swap a day but if it is just regular old comp. time that you are requesting to use, you will still be faced with being denied with no way to swap for the time off. And to those that say that the time due issue was settled in court and that the City lost, please read the ruling. That ruling only applies to those that have FSLA time on the books. That only numbers a few hundred guys on this department.
Regarding Below Post...
017 THE DISTRICT CHRISTMAS PARTY IN 017 IS A BIT SHORT IN ATTENDANCE THIS YEAR, WONDER WHY!! WE HERE THERE IS LESS THAN 85 TICKETS SOLD AND MAYBE LESS THAN 70 PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TOO SHOW UP FOR THE PARTY, THATS BECAUSE THE TACT TEAMS WERE STRONG-ARMED TOO PURCHASE TICKETS OR ELSE!! MEALER STRIKES AGAIN WITH HIS CHARMING PERSONALITY.. THEY DON'T HAVE ANY P.O.'S COMIMG INTO 017 TO WORK THE 3RD WATCH ON THE NIGHT OF THE PARTY, SAD THAT THE MORAL IS SO LOW IN THE DISTRICT.. DON'T HAVE TOO WORRY ABOUT SWITCHING RDO'S FOR THIS DISTRICT CHRISTMAS PARTY.. PLEASE SEND HELP TOO OUR DISTRICT!
12/04/2009 12:38:00 AM
I hear that that above poster won't be attending as he's detailed to the Training Division 'teaching' remedial spelling and grammar.
Anonymous said...
Back in the 70's it was often done on an informal basis (pre FOP) this was with the W/C's approval. It was always approved even though this/my, W/C was a very conservative guy. In fact during holidays the W/C would decree that each officer got his chance to either have Christmas or Eve, or New Years Eve off, but not both. He would ask but not demand, if by chance you had two of the dates off RDO, that you change one of the dates off so another officer could get a desired date off. This applied to both workers and dogs alike. The single guys and the married w/kids guys would swap because, you see back then we cared about each other. Or at least more than is noticed today. Now a swapping officer wants $$$ for a SWAP,kiss my ass at that. Swapping all stopped with FOP and their draconian seniority rules.
Sometimes people can play nice together while at work....
12/04/2009 08:24:00 AM
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Yes this was done on an informal basis, especially around the hilidays. The union ocntract, for better, or worse stopped itl.
You know if you don't like this, or vote it down you are being really shartsighted. It really works in your faver because it allows you a way to take a day off without burning any time. Remember that the suit that the city lost only applies to FLSA time, and most do not have a lot of that. Ny time you can preserve time on th ebooks works to your advantage. Assuming the contract is worked out, and it will be, and there will be raises, if not immediately, eventually, that time increases in value each year. It is probably a better investment than most things out there, because it is virtually guaranteed. If you can do it, the smartest thing to do is to never take money for overtime, and to never use your time due, and to sell it back at retirement. I know many will say that is impossible, but remember I said "if you can do it." I don't kow of many investments that will guarantee you 4 or 5 percent minimum every year with no chance of decreasing. Think about it. That big check at retirement is great.
"What if I'm a PO that nobody likes?"
Become a supervisor.
You GUYS asked fir it on an earlier blog and now YOU got it
remember the event for the benefit for the family of officer Valadez at the casino..
Every one wanted to volunteer fir the people who couldn't take off to attend the event and everyone CLAIMED that they're willing to Fill in on their RDO
Good job!!!!
HQ is fullfilling your demands ?!!!
I'm waiting to see how all 50 of you comment on this swap idea...
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This is a perfect example of the dangers of arbitration.
Here, the city was told by the courts that they cannot deny FLSA time (comp time accumulated that is over 171 hours / period), so the city paid out all FLSA time and will continue to do so.
The contract says the city must offer overtime as money OR comp time, so FOP grieved the city's actions.
Now the arbitrator crafted an entirely new solution that allows POs the option of trading days IF THE PO can find another PO to switch. Something that is not easy on a 4 and 2 schedule where officers must then work 8 days with only 1 day off in the middle.
So did the city win? I would say yes. The city avoids the storing of FLSA time by paying it out. The city can still deny time due and put the burden on you to get someone to cover. The city will also put big clamps on OT to avoid monthly payouts.
Was this issue worth a grievance? Some people in some districts were being denied time. Will their lives be better after this ruling? Maybe in the short term. But, POs have lost the option of banking all of their time due and getting that time due down the road at a higher pay when they retire or get promoted.
So, was it worth it?
The 017 district Christmas party did not attract as many as it did in the past. The reporters say that the Retired LT. T.P. and P.O. S.K. did not even show up!! We are all more united in 017 than ever before thanks to C/O M.L. The caps SGT., did a nice job once again.. The numbers show it all, thanks "KEN". The C/O M.L. should be proud of the amount that attended The 2009 CHRISTMAS party!!!!!
The reporters at the 017 Christmas party say that the Tact Teams left at 2300 hours, must have been a great party. K.P. you did a great job with this party, M/L is proud of you once again!! M/L is leading his troops well, just look at the attendance at the party, it sure shows that p.o.'s and sgt's are united in the 017!!! GOOD JOB AUNT "B".
I WAS CPD "8 YRS" NOW CFD "4 YRS"--WE DO NOT HAVE PERSONAL DAYS OR COMPTIME OR BABYFURL. DAYS. We can trade days "ONLY" so the city's man power issue is ok. HOWEVER, the city can run 30 men short a day when they want, but we must cover the manpower shortage. Why dont we have personal days etc.? Everyone says we have all this time off but we work 2080 hrs. yearly like everyone else. We have no comp, baby or personal because LOCAL 2 is SHIT>>>
I like my new job but FOP guys get more benefits.
i see stupid people said...
In the long run this is going to back fire on the city: each swap affords us the opportunity to bank the elective time they refuse.
13 holidays a year, Comp time earned, BFD, Pdays are all sellable and bankable at some point. It will cost the city more in the long run.
Ideally; the city would benefit by allowing us to exhaust our elective time instead of buying it back at a higher rate.
12/05/2009 01:55:00 AM
NO. BFD and P-Days can be sold or partially carried over the following year but not "banked" and never were able to be "banked"
And overtime on the books will NOT be allowed to accumulate and paid back at a higher rate. That is OT over the 171 FLSA period max. The City will pay that and you will NOT be allowed to "bank" it.
The only time that can be "banked" is holidays and OT that is under 171 hours per period, that 171 hours includes the regular schedule.
in 2nd period, 2010 I am scheduled to work 20 days. 20 X 8.5 = 170 hours. tha tmeans I can only work 1 hours of true OT or FLSA time and save it as time. The rest will be paid out by the city. We no longer will have the option to take OT earned over that 171 hours as time, the city will be justified in paying it that month and we cannot bank it.
The only time we can bank will be holiday and time under 171 hours.
If you are up to 171 hours and make a living going to court and you like watching your time grow for an eventual payout at retirement, forget it. Now you will get a monthly check. it is up to you to put it in a real bank and save it.
I think this is a huge win for the city. We got fucked big time. All in all the FLSA suit was a big huge bust.
in 2nd period, 2010 I am scheduled to work 20 days. 20 X 8.5 = 170 hours. tha tmeans I can only work 1 hours of true OT or FLSA time and save it as time. The rest will be paid out by the city. We no longer will have the option to take OT earned over that 171 hours as time, the city will be justified in paying it that month and we cannot bank it.
12/08/2009 07:05:00 AM
Just remember that FLSA time is any overtime worked in a 4 week period over 171 hours. It must be actual overtime worked, such as extension of tour or actual court time. It does not include holiday bonus time, supervisor's 3/4 hr per day or any other OT not actually worked. Under the old system 6 on 2 off, with the 3 day weekends, you worked a maximum of 160 hours in a 4 week period. When your weekends came around you worked less. It was difficult to accumulate a great deal of FLSA time, which is what the lawsuit dealt with. How it will work under the new system I don't know, but the poster is correct 4 weeks now equals 170 hours, most weeks. I suspect some adjustments are in ofder for FLSA. It is quite possible that this schedule is already addressed in the Act.
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